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Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:55:00 -
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The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Harbinger - Har bin jur (it's a soft G)
Myrmidon - mier* ma don (mier as in pier)
Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
Machariel - Mack arr ee al
Maelstrom - Male strom
Archon - Arr kon
Chimera - Ky* meer ah (* as in eye, hard C, silent H)
Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Astarte - Ass start ay
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Cynabal - Sine ah bal (bal, not ball, almost like "bull")
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Exequror - ex-ek curer
Scythe (siith - elongated i, as in eye, sky, fly etc. IT'S NOT SKITH-EE!! The C is silent)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Kitsune - Kit soon
Arazu - Arra zoo
Charon - Keiron (as in the name, witht he "on" bit pronounced with emphasis). Keer-on.
Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - suck you bus
Zealot - Zel ot
Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
Deimos - Daymos (although dye-mos is also used)
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Iteron - It ur-on
Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Scimitar - Sim it arr (the C is silent. It's not a skimitar. People who say that are skimitards).
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Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 13/05/2009 13:56:21 Vagur - Var-gore
Erebus - Errer (as in error) bus
\o/
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Malvaceae Veri on 13/05/2009 14:00:51
Originally by: Ralara Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Where did you get these from? Because they are, quite frankly, wrong. Unless we are talking about a pronunciation of "rear" like "rea".
Af for oneiros, IIRC greek had a hard S, so no idea where you got your "uena" from.
Hint: these names are supposed to be spoken in latin/greek.
And add this to the fact that english has by and large lost all its original (18th was the last time this was fix'd, I recall) laws of pronunciation, at least, de facto.
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sesanti
Minmatar Universal Exports Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:03:00 -
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I think you should state that you would be doing it wrong *if* you were trying to pronounce those names in English. In other languages they are pronounced differently! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster -
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:10:00 -
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Armageddon - Ar maj De Gone ION
Hyperion - Hyper ION ION
Damnation - Damn NAT ION ION
Sacrelige - Sack Re Lige ION
Deimos - Dee Moss ION
Oneiros - Own Err Os ION
Megathron - Mega FFFFF ron ION
Paladin - Pah Aladdin ION
Phobos - Home O Phobos ION
Myrmidon - Murm Idon ION
Dominix - Domi Nyx ION
Moros - More Owse ION
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 13/05/2009 14:11:24
Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
i always thoguht half of caldari stuff has some sort of origin in japanese. kitsune ( 狐 )would translate into fox and i'd pronounce it kee-tsoo-neh and "stress" the first and third syllable -.-
- putting the gist back into logistics |
Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Af for oneiros, IIRC greek had a hard S, so no idea where you got your "uena" from. Ah I was referring to the beginning of the word - the "os" is pronounced at the end. I just couldn't think of a way to type the sound of "uena" in the way it's pronounced in Spanish :) --
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Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 13/05/2009 14:11:24
Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
i always thoguht half of caldari stuff has some sort of origin in japanese. kitsune ( 狐 )would translate into fox and i'd pronounce it kee-tsoo-neh and "stress" the first and third syllable -.-
Since it doesn't have the accented T, it is "soon" rather than "sunT", although you are correct. --
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Thanks god i'm latin and thus do not require any of your lessons to pronounce ships' name correctly. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Ralara
Caldari DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: sesanti I think you should state that you would be doing it wrong *if* you were trying to pronounce those names in English. In other languages they are pronounced differently!
There are no other languages. --
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Lazarann
Caldari Balls Deep Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Both are correct. Linkage I've never heard anyone in the US pronounce it "jag yoo ah". Pretty sure that's a UK or Euro way.
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Waiting4ambulation
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Not entirely sure on this one... it's a variation on "Roc", which is pronounced as such.
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Waiting4ambulation
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Not entirely sure on this one... it's a variation on "Roc", which is pronounced like so.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
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Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
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This is NOT pronounced in this manner in ANY language. Shows how much you know. ...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:18:00 -
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Rokh - rock Naglfar - exactly the way it's spelled: nag'l'faar (stress on both syllables) Charon - ˈkɛːrən Fenrir - exactly the way it's spelled: fen'rir Cerberus - ˈsəːbərəs Deimos - ˈdeɪmɒs Rhea - rēə, riə, or ˈriːə Oneiros - exactly the way it's spelled (Ὄνειρος)
——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:20:00 -
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I think Rokh is more like "rook" in its pronunciation, but arabic has an even more geographically fragmented pronounciation than english.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
Its Uh Bad on. Not Ur Bad'n. There is certainly no R in it that can be heard. ______________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Ralara
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Both are correct. Linkage I've never heard anyone in the US pronounce it "jag yoo ah". Pretty sure that's a UK or Euro way.
What is wrong with "jag-u-ar"?
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ColdChimera
Gallente New Eden World Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:27:00 -
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I feel smarter already....
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 13/05/2009 14:30:53
Cerberus is just - "Sir-beh-russ" isn't it?
Oneiros? No idea, I say it - "O-near-us" but that's probably wrong.
I do actually said Abaddon right, but I prefer the Americans way of saying it which is usually "Abba-Don" I think it sounds cooler and easier to say.
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Empress Norton
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:30:00 -
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i really appreciate your sentiment too many people mispronounce things however just a couple of corrections
Originally by: Ralara
Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
wrong - it really is ah ba don
Originally by: Ralara
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
no, it's rock, as is rock.
Originally by: Ralara Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
barl gorn.
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
sorry it's:
ki-t soo nay |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 13/05/2009 14:11:24
Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
i always thoguht half of caldari stuff has some sort of origin in japanese. kitsune ( 狐 )would translate into fox and i'd pronounce it kee-tsoo-neh and "stress" the first and third syllable -.-
Since it doesn't have the accented T, it is "soon" rather than "sunT", although you are correct.
now you lost me on the point of this entire topic |
Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:31:00 -
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Nope. Its Kerberos. Its a k sound, not a c sound, and certainly not an s sound.
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Roc Wieler
Freeform Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Waiting4ambulation
Originally by: Ralara
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Not entirely sure on this one... it's a variation on "Roc", which is pronounced like so.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Nope. Its Kerberos. Its a k sound, not a c sound, and certainly not an s sound.
Well suit yourself, but the greek encyclopedia I'm looking at says I'm right.
Quote: {sur'-bur-uhs}
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag
Harbinger - Harb Myrmidon - Myrm
Abaddon - Abby Rokh - Rokh
Bhaalgorn - Ball
Machariel - Mack
Maelstrom - Mael or strom
Archon - Archon
Chimera - Chimera Nidhoggur - The Nid
Huginn - Huginn
Astarte - Ass
Sleipnir - Slep or Slepnir
Ashimmu - Ash
Cynabal - Cyna (not to be confused with Cyno)
Gila - Gila
Exequror - Exequror
Scythe - Scythe
Naglfar - The nag
Kitsune - Kitsune
Arazu - Arazu
Charon - Charon Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - Sucky
Zealot - Zealot
Cerberus - Serb
Deimos - Deimos
Muninn - Muninn
Iteron - Itty
Rhea - Whee
Oneiros - A Dinero (don't ask)
Scimitar - Scim
I don't know about you but when you have mere seconds to announce a ship in voice chat I certainly do not want to be pronouncing the entire name.
Ok, we have a CHIIIIIIM-EEEEERRR-AA....nevermind its gone. Ok we have a NIIIIDDD-HOO....oops, its gone.
In any case I cleaned it up for our Gram-Are Nah-Zee
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Nope. Its Kerberos. Its a k sound, not a c sound, and certainly not an s sound.
Well suit yourself, but the greek encyclopedia I'm looking at says I'm right.
Depends if we're talking about the Greek Κέρβερος or the Roman Cerberus. The Latin name was (classically) pronounced the same as the greek, but changed to an "s" sound during the middle-ages. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 13/05/2009 14:43:22 Jaguar - |ˈdʒagjʊə| Harbinger - |ˈhɑːbɪn(d)ʒə| Myrmidon - |məːmɪd(ə)n| Abaddon - |əˈbad(ə)n| Rokh - |rɒk| Bhaalgorn - |bɑːlgɔːn| Maelstrom - |ˈmeɪlstrəm| Archon - |ˈɑːkən| Chimera - |kʌɪˈmɪərə| or |kɪˈmɪərə| Nidhoggur - |ˈnɪː=həgr| Huginn - |ˈhjuːgɪn| Astarte - |əˈstɑːti| Sleipnir - |'sleɪpnr| Exequror - |ɪgˈzɛkjʊtə| or |ɛgˈzɛkjʊtə| Scythe - |sʌɪ=| Naglfar - |'nɑːl'fɑː| Kitsune - |kɪtsɯne| Charon - |ˈkɛːrən| Fenrir - |'fɛnrɪr| Succubus - |ˈsʌkjʊbəs| Zealot - |ˈzɛlət| Cerberus - |ˈsəːbərəs| Deimos - |ˈdeɪmɒs| Muninn - |'mjuːnɪn| Iteron - |ˈɪtərɒn| Rhea - |rēə| |riə| |ˈriːə| Oneiros - |ə(ʊ)ˈnʌɪrəʊs| Scimitar - |ˈsɪmɪtə|
àyes, yes, some of the more obscure babylonian names have been left out.
This. /Thread -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:52:00 -
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Great, now we only need everyone to get to know those notations and how to pronounce them, as, well, there are a lot of languages that simply lack the sounds to pronounce these names.
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Waiting4ambulation
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Waiting4ambulation on 13/05/2009 14:53:29
Originally by: THE L0CK
Ok, we have a CHIIIIIIM-EEEEERRR-AA....nevermind its gone. Ok we have a NIIIIDDD-HOO....oops, its gone.
It takes you over fifteen seconds to say "Chimera"?
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Great, now we only need everyone to get to know those notations and how to pronounce them, as, well, there are a lot of languages that simply lack the sounds to pronounce these names.
******ese, for example.
that's gonna be tought -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.13 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Waiting4ambulation Edited by: Waiting4ambulation on 13/05/2009 14:53:29
Originally by: THE L0CK
Ok, we have a CHIIIIIIM-EEEEERRR-AA....nevermind its gone. Ok we have a NIIIIDDD-HOO....oops, its gone.
It takes you over fifteen seconds to say "Chimera"?
Nah it takes you over 20 seconds to understand it because of my pronouncicalifornicatshian
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:01:00 -
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Myrmidon is pronounced murm-ee-don Sleipnir is pronounced sleep-neer (as in pier) Rokh is pronounced rok (silent h, although I suspect this may vary according to dialect) Abaddon is pronounced A-bad-don Charon is pronounced Karr-on Cerberus is pronounced Sur-burr-uss Oneiros is pronounced O-neer-oss (the neir is pronounced like 'near') Rhea is pronounced Ree-ah
Some of these words are open to local dialect, such as Jaguar (to me, it's Jag-yew-arr), but as long as we roughly understand what is being said, it's not worth getting too hung up on it.
All I'm concerned about is people get the Ch- (K) sounds right, and don't pronounce silent c's like in scythe (although anyone familiar with the British comedy "Bottom" will not be able to avoid pronouncing it sither, as one of the characters does).
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Great, now we only need everyone to get to know those notations and how to pronounce them, as, well, there are a lot of languages that simply lack the sounds to pronounce these names.
…or the melody to pronounce the double-stressed words that appear in various Nordic languages. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:05:00 -
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In my defence, I speak hungarian, and as far asI know, we have a very, very wide range of sounds.
I'm still having troubles with some swedish words, though. I always want to say them in german (OHG preferably).
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:08:00 -
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Like DEATHFUNK's Cloud Ring Campaign -- this thread phails. Terribly.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:14:00 -
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Did you research this are are these just the ways you personally pronounce those ship names? Some of them I agree with but the ones I disagree with, I've done a little research to try and dig up pronunciations. Feel free to correct me where I'm wrong.
Originally by: Ralara Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
This may be how you pronounce it with your accent, but there's definitely an r on the end of that word. It's pronounced "jag you ar". And the pronunciation "jag waar" is generally acceptable as an american pronunciation. reference
Originally by: Ralara Myrmidon - mier* ma don (mier as in pier)
I'm pretty sure that's not how "myr" is pronounced at the start of a word. The ship is pronounced "Mer mid on". reference
Originally by: Ralara Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
I have no idea where you're getting the "ur" sound at the start. It's just a simple "A bad on". reference
Originally by: Ralara Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
This one I have no reference for but I have absolutely no idea where you're getting "roak" from. General pronunciation rules would have this as "Rock" and I've never heard it pronounced another way. Ever.
Originally by: Ralara Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
There's no "r" in Bhaalgorn. It should be pronounced "Baal gorn". The only dispute I can see is the pronunciation of the "Baal" portion. Some would say "Bahl" while others would say it like "bay 'l". This seems to vary based on country.
Originally by: Ralara Machariel - Mack arr ee al
Again, I believe that's your accent at the end. "Mack arr ee el" is probably more appropriate.
Originally by: Ralara Chimera - Ky* meer ah (* as in eye, hard C, silent H)
There's some argument over the pronunciation of Chimera. Some would say "k'eye meer ah", some say "chim er ah", some say "chim ear ah", some say "kim ear ah" etc. reference
Originally by: Ralara Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Considering this is an english interpretetation of an icelandic word, using standard english pronunciation rules instead might be a good idea. Using the icelandic pronunciation may be better, but I'm not familiar with it. Using english pronunciation rules, second G isn't pronounced as double-g's in english are pronounced as a single G. That makes it "Nid hog ur" as far as I'm concerned, though I'm sure someone icelandic could pop into the thread and school us on the proper pronunciation of "Nf=h÷ggur".
Originally by: Ralara Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Even if this one's correct I still love saying "hug in" :).
Originally by: Ralara Astarte - Ass start ay
"Ass tart ay" or possibly "Ass tart ee", the extra s is unnecessary. reference
Originally by: Ralara Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
I've always pronounced this "Sleep nier", but the reference suggests it's "Slay'p nier". reference
Originally by: Ralara Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Again, I think that's an accent issue. Under standard rules it would more likely be pronounced "Ash ee mew" or "Ash ih mew".
Originally by: Ralara Cynabal - Sine ah bal (bal, not ball, almost like "bull")
Unlikely. Sine is pronounced like wine, making this most likely to be correctly pronounced "Sin ah bal".
Originally by: Ralara Exequror - ex-ek curer
I've always pronounced it "ex ek uh roar" but I can't find a reliable reference for this one.
Continued...
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Noa Fuyu
Amarr Black Eclipse Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 13/05/2009 14:11:24
Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
i always thoguht half of caldari stuff has some sort of origin in japanese. kitsune ( 狐 )would translate into fox and i'd pronounce it kee-tsoo-neh and "stress" the first and third syllable -.-
This. NEH! -------------------------- I would throw a hundred ships into the void just to see you crushed. |
Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:15:00 -
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...continued.
Originally by: Ralara Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Again, another nordic word that a native speaker may come in and correct me on but under english pronunciation, there's no need to double-pronounce a single g. It would probably be "Nag 'l far" or "Nag-uhl-far" (pronounced the same).
Originally by: Ralara Kitsune - Kit soon
Again, I think that's your accent. It's natively pronounced "kit soon ay" in Japan, which I believe is where the word originates from. reference
Originally by: Ralara Charon - Keiron (as in the name, witht he "on" bit pronounced with emphasis). Keer-on.
You're right about the hard C but all the references I kind don't pronounce this the same was as Kieron. They say it's "ka ron". Personally, I'll probably always pronounce it "char on" out of habit even though I know it's wrong. reference
Originally by: Ralara Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
Not sure where the hard K is coming from, this is almost always pronounced "ser ber us". reference
Originally by: Ralara Deimos - Daymos (although dye-mos is also used)
There are two ways to pronounce this that I've found, and "day mos" is neither of them. There's "dee mos" and "die mos". reference
Originally by: Ralara Iteron - It ur-on
I'm not going to put a firm answer on this one because I can't find any full or partial references but I think that's your accent creeping in again. Standard english pronunciation would have this as "eye ter on" or "it er on" (as used in "iterate"/"iteration"). I lean toward "it er on" being the correct way but I've always pronounced the ship "eye ter on" for some reason.
Originally by: Ralara Rhea - Rear
There's no r in it, I don't know where you're getting that but it may just be your accent. It's pronounced "ree ah". reference
Originally by: Ralara Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
I've always pronounced this "oh near os" but the cloest reference I could find was "Oneirocritic", which suggests that it's actually "oh nye ros". reference
Not sure if all of those are correct and I'd be interested in any rebuttals but at least find a reference or two.
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Anderson
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:17:00 -
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Gila is definitely pronounced "heel-uh" like the heel-uh monster (I'm an Arizona native, and anyone who calls it a geela monster gets ridiculed.) or Heel-uh (Gila) Bend (I live near there) and the heel-uh (Gila) River (anyone who's ever seen those annoying as all hell Gila River Casino commercials now has that song stuck in their head. You're welcome).
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Connen
Gallente 4 wing Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:17:00 -
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No wonder my prof's can never return essays on time - they are too busy correcting each other on internet space ship forums /sigh
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Xianbei
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:18:00 -
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Corrected because a number of yours are wrong:
Jaguar - jag waar (north american pronunciation)
Harbinger - Har bin jur
Myrmidon - mir mih don (mir as in word)
Abaddon - uh bad un
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Bhaalgorn - baal gorn (balle OR ball)
Machariel - mack uh ryal
Maelstrom - mael strom
Archon - Arr kon
Chimera - Ky* meer ah (* as in eye, hard C, silent H)
Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G)
Astarte - Ass start ay
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Cynabal - Sine ah bal (bal, not ball, almost like "bull")
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Exequror - ex-ek curer
Scythe (siith - elongated i, as in eye, sky, fly etc. IT'S NOT SKITH-EE!! Evil or Very Mad The C is silent)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Kitsune - Kit soon
Arazu - Arra zoo
Charon - Keiron (as in the name, witht he "on" bit pronounced with emphasis). Keer-on.
Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - suck you bus
Zealot - Zel ot
Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
Deimos - DEE mos
Muninn - Mew-nin
Iteron - It ur-on
Rhea - ree ah
Oneiros - o neer os
Scimitar - sim eh tar
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Destro
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:19:00 -
[43]
Its not Brian - its Bri ON
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Thuranni
Grab Bag Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:24:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Thuranni on 13/05/2009 15:25:14
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong. Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are Fenrir - Fen rear
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Seeing as how these are all Icelandic words or names, you are absolutely wrong on all of them.
Proper pronounciation of these names (EVE files link).
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Breaky Fitch
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:28:00 -
[45]
It is really cute how the OP has decided that everyone needs to add extraneous 'r' sounds to words in places where there are no r's. The british accents which add the extra r sounds are so quaint.
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TimMc
Gallente Brutal Deliverance Blackguard Coalition
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:30:00 -
[46]
Hm didn't realised how to say Bhaalgorn or Charon.
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:30:00 -
[47]
Talked to greek philologist friend.
Cerberus is Kerberos/us in greek, and Kerberus in old latin, and Cerberus in medieval/modern latin.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:33:00 -
[48]
This is indeed correct. "Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)"
was a mythological bird, In the story of Sinbad..... think the Greeks borrowed it too. Not pronounced rock. Also spelled Roc, and Rogh, and ruhk.
NERD FIGHT!!!!!
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:35:00 -
[49]
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels This is indeed correct. "Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)"
was a mythological bird, In the story of Sinbad..... think the Greeks borrowed it too. Not pronounced rock. Also spelled Roc, and Rogh, and ruhk.
NERD FIGHT!!!!!
Yes, but current standardized arabic pronounces rukh as rook/ruk, if i recall. Have a female friend who is all about arab and persian culture, she though me some things.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:37:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Have a female friend who is all about arab and persian culture, she though me some things.
Can she though me a thing or two?
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:38:00 -
[51]
One must also be aware of different "correct" pronunciations for different languages. _________________________
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Iuzda
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Posted - 2009.05.13 15:40:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Iuzda on 13/05/2009 15:40:50
here is my list and no i don't need no Greek encyclopedia to know how these should be pronounced :P
Harbinger - Har bin ger (pronounce just as it is written, don't make this difficult for yourself)
Myrmidon - mir mi doh! (when you run out of drones)
Abaddon - ab ad on (you know like abandon? yeah ...)
Rokh - rokh (see Harbinger for clarification)
Bhaalgorn - omgomgomg! how much should we random it for?
Maelstrom - mael
Chimera - kee me rah
Nidhoggur - nid ... nid ... that minmatar carrier one
Huginn - hug-in
Sleipnir - Sleip neer
Scythe - sky th
Naglfar - na ... the minmatar dread one
Cerberus - serb er us
Deimos - diemost
Muninn - mu nin
Iteron - I turn u on (tee-hee)
Scimitar - skim ee tar
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:00:00 -
[53]
So how should I pronounce "Rifter"?
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FlyinS
Caldari Planetary Industry and Trade Organization
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:03:00 -
[54]
Hoo karez.
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Korrakas
Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:07:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Armageddon - Ar maj De Gone ION
Hyperion - Hyper ION ION
Damnation - Damn NAT ION ION
Sacrelige - Sack Re Lige ION
Deimos - Dee Moss ION
Oneiros - Own Err Os ION
Megathron - Mega FFFFF ron ION
Paladin - Pah Aladdin ION
Phobos - Home O Phobos ION
Myrmidon - Murm Idon ION
Dominix - Domi Nyx ION
Moros - More Owse ION
why you keep saying my name at the end of each prononciation ?
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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Korrakas
Caldari Legion of Ascension Beyond Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:09:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Harbinger - Har bin jur (it's a soft G)
Myrmidon - mier* ma don (mier as in pier)
Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
Machariel - Mack arr ee al
Maelstrom - Male strom
Archon - Arr kon
Chimera - Ky* meer ah (* as in eye, hard C, silent H)
Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Astarte - Ass start ay
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Cynabal - Sine ah bal (bal, not ball, almost like "bull")
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Exequror - ex-ek curer
Scythe (siith - elongated i, as in eye, sky, fly etc. IT'S NOT SKITH-EE!! The C is silent)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Kitsune - Kit soon
Arazu - Arra zoo
Charon - Keiron (as in the name, witht he "on" bit pronounced with emphasis). Keer-on.
Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - suck you bus
Zealot - Zel ot
Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
Deimos - Daymos (although dye-mos is also used)
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Iteron - It ur-on
Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Scimitar - Sim it arr (the C is silent. It's not a skimitar. People who say that are skimitards).
btw learn greek
Originally by: CCP Mitnal I don't have holidays. I don't leave the forums unattended. I don't sleep. I am always here. Watching. Waiting.
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MidnightMartyr
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:11:00 -
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Grammar **** detected.
Recommended actions: Troll thread or leave shaking head
/midnightmartyr leaves thread shaking head.
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Kha'Vorn
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.13 16:45:00 -
[58]
Who really gives a airborne copulation?
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:00:00 -
[59]
I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again. ----------------------------------------------------
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:00:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kha'Vorn Who really gives a airborne copulation?
"An airborne copulation"!
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FOl2TY8
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:01:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Anderson Edited by: Anderson on 13/05/2009 15:34:21
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
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Gila - Gee la (hard G)
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Gila is definitely pronounced "hee-la" like the hee-la monster (I'm an Arizona native, and anyone who calls it a geela monster gets ridiculed.) or Hee-la (Gila) Bend (I live near there) and the hee-la (Gila) River (anyone who's ever seen those annoying as all hell Gila River Casino commercials now has that song stuck in their head. You're welcome).
I too am an Arizona native and I curse you and that god damned song. ---------- This post brought to you by the worst PVP'er in Eve |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:11:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Ralara Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
There's no "r" in Bhaalgorn.
Pretty sure there's an "r" after the "o" and before the "n"
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels This is indeed correct. "Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)"
"roak" sounds terrible though, rock has nicer connotations __________________
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:12:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Ralara Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
There's no "r" in Bhaalgorn.
Pretty sure there's an "r" after the "o" and before the "n"
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:15:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Ralara Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
There's no "r" in Bhaalgorn.
Pretty sure there's an "r" after the "o" and before the "n"
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels This is indeed correct. "Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)"
"roak" sounds terrible though, rock has nicer connotations
You're saying rock sounds cooler than a giant mythical eagle (as large as clouds in some stories) that could kill and carry prey as large as elephants. And was also used to fly people around?..... Guess that's a matter of opinion. _________________________
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Lasran Tekeal
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:22:00 -
[65]
Out of interest how do you people pronounce "Ares"? I swear my friends keep pronouncing it wrong...
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:24:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Lasran Tekeal Out of interest how do you people pronounce "Ares"? I swear my friends keep pronouncing it wrong...
|ˈe(ə)rēz| |ˈɛ(ə)riz| |ˈɛːriːz| ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:26:00 -
[67]
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels This is indeed correct. "Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)"
was a mythological bird, In the story of Sinbad..... think the Greeks borrowed it too. Not pronounced rock. Also spelled Roc, and Rogh, and ruhk.
NERD FIGHT!!!!!
Oxford English Dictionary says "rock" (or, well… |rɒk|, which is also the pronounciation of "rock"). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:29:00 -
[68]
OP - AAAASSSSUUUU-HAAAAT FUUUROOOOMUUUU PNDTIC LND
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.13 17:30:00 -
[69]
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
You're saying rock sounds cooler than a giant mythical eagle (as large as clouds in some stories) that could kill and carry prey as large as elephants. And was also used to fly people around?..... Guess that's a matter of opinion.
It does when you say it like this
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:48:00 -
[70]
You assume everyone is English, that we pronounce "jaguar" like you do, that we randomly leave off "r"s at the end of words and randomly add "r"s that aren't there.
Example: Rhea: Rey-uh. There is no "r" at the end.
I've never understood why English people don't pronounce "r"s at the end of words, but add an "r" sound at the end of words where there is no "r".
Also, you're not the final decider of the correct pronunciation of anything unless you're CCP.
In short, this thread is a waste of time and space.
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 18:49:00 -
[71]
Originally by: THE L0CK
Originally by: SpaceSquirrels
You're saying rock sounds cooler than a giant mythical eagle (as large as clouds in some stories) that could kill and carry prey as large as elephants. And was also used to fly people around?..... Guess that's a matter of opinion.
It does when you say it like this
LOL Touche I hate the first song, but love the AC/DC Makes me think that the Rohk...I'm pronouncing it roak (suck it other people!!) would be some interstellar space rocking party bus. Where in it would dock with stations and strobe lights would appear with smoking coming from the inside. The doors would open and a bunch of strippers would then fallout. Followed by bleary eyed rockers with space booze in their hands. Who ever did the hello kitty Kestrel needs to make the "party Rohk". _________________________
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WW412
Minmatar Dominion Gaming Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:06:00 -
[72]
NO NO NO
Its "pahk thah cah in Hahvahd Yahd".
I'm willing to bet none of you Euros understand that.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:15:00 -
[73]
Originally by: WW412 NO NO NO
Its "pahk thah cah in Hahvahd Yahd".
I'm willing to bet none of you Euros understand that.
Jaws had its international release in 1975… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
WW412
Minmatar Dominion Gaming Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:18:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: WW412 NO NO NO
Its "pahk thah cah in Hahvahd Yahd".
I'm willing to bet none of you Euros understand that.
Jaws had its international release in 1975à
Now I'm all confused. I haven't seen that movie in like...15 years.
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Shuddayomoufa
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:22:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Shuddayomoufa on 13/05/2009 19:22:27
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Harbinger - Har bin jur (it's a soft G)
Myrmidon - mier* ma don (mier as in pier)
Abaddon - ur bad'n (not abba don)
Rokh - roak / roke (as in toke, spoke)
Bhaalgorn - Barl gorn
Machariel - Mack arr ee al
Maelstrom - Male strom
Archon - Arr kon
Chimera - Ky* meer ah (* as in eye, hard C, silent H)
Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Astarte - Ass start ay
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Cynabal - Sine ah bal (bal, not ball, almost like "bull")
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Exequror - ex-ek curer
Scythe (siith - elongated i, as in eye, sky, fly etc. IT'S NOT SKITH-EE!! The C is silent)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Kitsune - Kit soon
Arazu - Arra zoo
Charon - Keiron (as in the name, witht he "on" bit pronounced with emphasis). Keer-on.
Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - suck you bus
Zealot - Zel ot
Cerberus - kebber us (I've never heard anyone pronounce that correctly, even me)
Deimos - Daymos (although dye-mos is also used)
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Iteron - It ur-on
Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Scimitar - Sim it arr (the C is silent. It's not a skimitar. People who say that are skimitards).
Thanks. I do not normally use voice chat, but when I do , I will be sure to PRONOUNCE THEM ANY **** WAY I FEEL LIKE!
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 13/05/2009 19:26:22 This post has inspired me to go back to pronouncing Caracel with a soft C.
Quote: I've never understood why English people don't pronounce "r"s at the end of words, but add an "r" sound at the end of words where there is no "r".
Received Pronunciation (or some derivation thereof), which is used most places in Europe, is non-rhotic. Most places in North America speak with a rhotic dialect. This the core of what makes English English sound English and North American English sound American.
Out here in the midwest, a lot of people (mostly older folks) randomly insert "R" sounds into "sh" sounds (thus, wash becomes 'warsh', etc). I hate it because it makes them sound like country hillbillies, even though most of them are, in fact, country hillbillies so you can hardly hold that against them.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:22:00 -
[77]
Nerd Rage - Nurd Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaage
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:24:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Tippia on 13/05/2009 19:26:54
Originally by: WW412
Originally by: Tippia Jaws had its international release in 1975…
Now I'm all confused. I haven't seen that movie in like...15 years.
They made the same comment in that one (except the Harvard bit), and I'm sure they weren't the first…
Originally by: Kessiaan This post has inspired me to go back to pronouncing Caracel with a soft C.
SIF. It's pronounced as the middle part of "snap, crackle and pop" (the game will take care of the first and the last bit for you). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:24:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Kessiaan This post has inspired me to go back to pronouncing Caracel with a soft C.
caracel?
You might as well say cereal.
Its Karakal.
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Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:28:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri
Originally by: Kessiaan This post has inspired me to go back to pronouncing Caracel with a soft C.
caracel?
You might as well say cereal.
Its Karakal.
No, more like 'Karasel', like the thing that goes roundy roundy.
I know it's wrong but I'm going to keep doing it
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar When Hippo Attacks Go Wrong
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:36:00 -
[81]
This thread fails. I was expecting to be told how to pronounce the word it not some stupid nonsense relating to pretend spaceship names.
Sig removed, only one image per sig - Mitnal 6 years in eve and all I got was this cr*p sig bumper sticker from Mitnal :P |
WW412
Minmatar Dominion Gaming Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:36:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 13/05/2009 19:26:54
Originally by: WW412
Originally by: Tippia Jaws had its international release in 1975à
Now I'm all confused. I haven't seen that movie in like...15 years.
They made the same comment in that one (except the Harvard bit), and I'm sure they weren't the firstà
Ah, gotcha. Whenever in Vent I always get asked to say certain words; car, dagger, park, whatever, or anything else with "R" in it. I do, however, get a chuckle when talking to British people. They bring the funny.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
Hey, shut your mouth, you don't know what you're talking about.
There's no semi-attractive women in my company.
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Spenz
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:44:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Spenz on 13/05/2009 19:45:20
So many "wrong" pronunciations in this thread it is mind-boggling.
Take Kitsune for example. There is only ONE Kitsune in any greek/roman-based language and it is a japanese word (in romanji). It is pronounced Ki-tsu-nay (or kit-su-nay if you want that too. sounds the same in the end). The whole excuse that "well this is eve so I'm sure it sounds the way I THINK it does in that alternate universe" is simple-minded and narrow.
Now that my emo-grammar rage is spent, lets get down to the real deal:
The fact is, many different nationalities who pronounce words differently play this game (that is what accents are). Simply putting up a list of all the names and how YOU pronounce them, then declaring that everyone who doesn't say them your way is "WRONG", is arrogant and the only wrong thing here.
TL;DR pronounce them how you want to. Chances are likely that the people you are talking to will understand what you are saying even if you don't pronounce it the way they do.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:49:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Mire Stoude on 13/05/2009 19:54:40 So is it ok to derail this into a spelling / grammer rage thread?
their, they're, there... get it right people.
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WW412
Minmatar Dominion Gaming Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:53:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Mire Stoude So is it ok to derail this into a spelling / grammer rage thread?
Their, They're, there... get it right people.
grammar*
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:54:00 -
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"Cerberus" is originally classical Greek.
The word starts with a damn Kappa, which is what we get the letter K from in Romance languages. The letter C doesn't even exist in the classical Greek alphabet. If the word was meant to start with a soft C sound, it would have been originally written with a sigma.
Some of the other pronunciations are questionable, but Cerberus is technically a hard C, even if it has become corrupted.
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Mire Stoude
Cash Money Brothers
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:57:00 -
[88]
Originally by: WW412
Originally by: Mire Stoude So is it ok to derail this into a spelling / grammer rage thread?
Their, They're, there... get it right people.
grammar*
I knew I should have spell checked.
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Caius Severus
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Posted - 2009.05.13 19:58:00 -
[89]
Being British, we get a lot of American TV programmes so are used to hearing American pronunciations, but the one that I really grates above all others is jag-waar. It sounds like you have a mouthful of dough when saying it.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:07:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Tippia on 13/05/2009 20:08:59
Originally by: Aargh Some of the other pronunciations are questionable, but Cerberus is technically a hard C, even if it has become corrupted.
Well, tbh, the entire Latin language got corrupted during the ME, which is how we arrived at the "s"-pronounciation that's common today. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:11:00 -
[91]
Well, yes.
So, newzflash, kids, Cicero's name should be pronounced Kikero.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:11:00 -
[92]
How in blazes do you know how I'm pronouncing ships names?? I don't have Eve-voice or Ventrillo or whatever.
I only get some idea when I'm watching the Alliance tournament, and correct my pronunciation then.
And since it's "kurr-burr-us" I don't think I'll buy one now. So there.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:14:00 -
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Who gives a **** - [hoo][givs][ey][fuhk] __________________________
Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream. |
Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:15:00 -
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Maybe those of us who are tired with the atrocious grammar and pronounciation this leet-speak generation produces.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:18:00 -
[95]
…also, I demand the return of properly pronounced -ae endings! ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:18:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Maybe those of us who are tired with the atrocious grammar and pronounciation this leet-speak generation produces.
Then you'd want to focus on the core of proper writing and grammar, rather than the correct pronunciation of ship names.
Time to get those teaching certifications and get to work. __________________________
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Malvaceae Veri
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:21:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Tippia àalso, I demand the return of properly pronounced -ae endings!
No. Haardraade and Godwinson have been, sadly, beaten by that upstart little Guillaume, thus the predominance of northern germanic in the anglo-saxon/english language sadly is no more.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:24:00 -
[98]
Well, this sure is an exciting and fun thread Also, it has come to my attention that I'm really in need of a proper signature. |
Kat Bandeis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:42:00 -
[99]
So, not only do we all have to PLAY the way a few small want us to, we now have to TALK the way a few small want us to?
Uh-huh... I'll get right on those (incorrect) pronunications. :)
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.13 20:50:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Kat Bandeis So, not only do we all have to PLAY the way a few small want us to, we now have to TALK the way a few small want us to?
Uh-huh... I'll get right on those (incorrect) pronunications. :)
Usually talking the same way others do is quite the useful skill in life. Also pronouncing words the same way lets people know they're talking about the same thing.
E.G. So the whole Rohk...as rock or rohk thing. You know the "rock is the best sniper." "What's a rock?" However the "Toe ma to" vs "toe mat to" thing means you're just being an *******. _________________________
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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar ShadowMoon Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.13 21:41:00 -
[101]
Hm. I'd say Nyphur sounds like he got it mostly on-target.
And not all of us Americans sound like hick rednecks. I pride myself on my tendency of not adding 'r's or dropping 'r's like an inbred moron, or most other oddities of various American regions. I did not succumb to my home city's dialect, though I will make fun of it often enough.
I also tend to try and pronounce things distinctly and accurately, as well as quickly. I use 'roke' to distinguish the battleship from any other possibility, especially since I'm used to Roc being pronounced that way, for whatever reason. And I felt I had the Norse/Icelandic names rather good until hearing that pronunciation mp3 file, but I was still pretty close, it seems. I'm also rather familiar with Japanese pronunciation of romajii-converted words, so same for those Caldari ships.
And all you people who thinks it's geela deserve all the ridicule you're getting- I was born on the American East coast and I know its hee-la! Sheesh... same for everyone who pronounces 'sc' as 'sk' ... I had absolutely no idea anyone would be ******ed enough to do that (the thought never even crossed my mind that there might be mispronunciations!), but I must be naive. And it's so unnecessary and wasteful to add a sound that doesn't exist in a given word.
Something else for you people: Get Firefox and let it spellcheck your posts on-the-fly if you need help spelling for posts. Or if another browser features a spellchecker for text fields, then use that if that's your preference. This isn't an instant-message service, after all; this is a forum.
And, finally, on the matter of Jaguar... if you're not Portuguese, or South American, or (most especially) haven't studied ancient Brazilian languages, you have no grounds for dictating how everyone else must pronounce it.
Have fun. ---- "Sounds like a bad case of pikal envy, if you ask me."
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Total Comfort
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Posted - 2009.05.13 22:06:00 -
[102]
MY TURN MY TURN!
Oneiros - On eyr ose
Phobos - Fo bus
Deimos - Die moss
Maelstrom - Meyl struhm
Astarte - Ah start ee
Bleh I'm not going to do this, it's ridiculous.
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:20:00 -
[103]
lol Siigari, I pronounce them all differentely to you.
Oneiros - On eyr ose ( I say On eyr oss )
Phobos - Fo bus ( I say Fo bose)
Deimos - Die moss ( I say Dee moss)
Maelstrom - Meyl struhm (I say Mayorl Strom)
Astarte - Ah start ee (I say As start tay )
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ROXGenghis
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:24:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Destro Its not Brian - its Bri ON
Can you say that? Very few can...correctly.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:46:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Ralara Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Sorry, no.
And I'm not saying "al yew MIN ee um," "maths" or "crisps" either, that's just teh ghey.
Also:
Quote: Gila - Gee la (hard G)
The word is Spanish, as it was Spaniards who named the li'l bastard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gila_monster
In Spanish, g is pronounced like an h when followed by an i, thus the "correct" pronunciation is actually "Hee- La."
I don't GAF what you call it though because I don't have a big honking rod shoved up my posterior.
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Aisley Tyrion
The Penumbra Initiative OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.13 23:56:00 -
[106]
How about the Minmatar fighter "einherji"? I have no trouble pronouncing it the way I'd do it in my native language (which is Finnish) but how should it be pronounced 'the English style'?
I had a discussion with a corp mate about this some time ago and figured the easiest way would be to drop -ji from the end and pronounce it as 'ein-her'.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:09:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Ralara
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Nope. It's Hee-la. No hard-G anywhere.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Joe Martin
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:23:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Joe Martin on 14/05/2009 00:24:40 Rhea = Rear? The hell?
Rhea, in mythology, is the daughter Gaea, and much like Gaea is pronounced "Guy/uh" Rhea is pronounced "Re/uh."
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Burseg Sardaukar
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:44:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Burseg Sardaukar on 14/05/2009 00:44:12
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Armageddon - Ar maj De Gone ION
Hyperion - Hyper ION ION
Damnation - Damn NAT ION ION
Sacrelige - Sack Re Lige ION
Deimos - Dee Moss ION
Oneiros - Own Err Os ION
Megathron - Mega FFFFF ron ION
Paladin - Pah Aladdin ION
Phobos - Home O Phobos ION
Myrmidon - Murm Idon ION
Dominix - Domi Nyx ION
Moros - More Owse ION
you forgot the Thorax - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFor Ax ION
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Hot Tubes
A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.14 00:44:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Armageddon - Ar maj De Gone ION
Hyperion - Hyper ION ION
Damnation - Damn NAT ION ION
Sacrelige - Sack Re Lige ION
Deimos - Dee Moss ION
Oneiros - Own Err Os ION
Megathron - Mega FFFFF ron ION
Paladin - Pah Aladdin ION
Phobos - Home O Phobos ION
Myrmidon - Murm Idon ION
Dominix - Domi Nyx ION
Moros - More Owse ION
You also forgot:
Thanatos - FFFF ana toase ION
Rokh - Big black dong ION
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SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.14 01:49:00 -
[111]
YEEEHOOOO!!! them Geelar Monsters is out again.
This is what happens when you combine "British" and "red neck".
I'd have to say this post and the replies for it has been one of my all time forum favorites. _________________________
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JavelinGR
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Posted - 2009.05.14 02:25:00 -
[112]
Maybe someone else already explained it, I don t know, but here s a hint. Greek language treats the combination of letters "ei" and "oi" like the "i" letter.(There are a few exceptions). They re pronounced the same, the difference is only on the written form.
So pronounce oneiros, as u would pronounce oniros. Same goes for Deimos, too.
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Jade Elaira
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:57:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Jade Elaira on 01/06/2009 20:59:27
Originally by: Burseg Sardaukar Edited by: Burseg Sardaukar on 14/05/2009 00:44:12
Originally by: Sniper Wolf18 Armageddon - Ar maj De Gone ION
Hyperion - Hyper ION ION
Damnation - Damn NAT ION ION
Sacrelige - Sack Re Lige ION
Deimos - Dee Moss ION
Oneiros - Own Err Os ION
Megathron - Mega FFFFF ron ION
Paladin - Pah Aladdin ION
Phobos - Home O Phobos ION
Myrmidon - Murm Idon ION
Dominix - Domi Nyx ION
Moros - More Owse ION
you forgot the Thorax - FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFor Ax ION
First of all, its FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFor Skin ION
Second, the Dominix has a few different, but correct variations - Pown a nix ION Domi nox ION Turd ION
The Megathron also has a second variation, commonly used by euros Mega ffffffffffrob ION
Also, a group of Moros, or Mori, is pronounced - Moar eye ION And on a side note, the act of having a Mori is called Morosis, pronounced - Moar os is ION
and the Paladin is pronounced - PA JA LIN ION
and some moar -
Abaddon - Abb adon ION
Vexor - Sex or ION
Thanatos - FFFFFFFFFFFFFa NAH tos ION (emphasis on the NAH)
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Tandin
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:21:00 -
[114]
Fascinating.. now back to the roaming gang already in progress so I can continue pronouncing them wrong and not give a crap in the slightest.
"Boo hoo. Cry some more." CCP Whisper
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Seishi Maru
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:35:00 -
[115]
Naglfar - It's freaking vertical! Nidhoggur - The useles one
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RedLion
Caldari State Constructions
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:47:00 -
[116]
sleipnir should be sleipneer i think
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:08:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Kessiaan Received Pronunciation (or some derivation thereof), which is used most places in Europe, is non-rhotic. Most places in North America speak with a rhotic dialect. This the core of what makes English English sound English and North American English sound American.
Out here in the midwest, a lot of people (mostly older folks) randomly insert "R" sounds into "sh" sounds (thus, wash becomes 'warsh', etc). I hate it because it makes them sound like country hillbillies, even though most of them are, in fact, country hillbillies so you can hardly hold that against them.
First, I'm familiar with "received pronunciation", but according to the very article you cite, only 2% of Britons speak with a received pronunciation, and I'm pretty sure it's not used all over Europe, either. Hell, there are many accents on the British Isles alone, just like there are across North America.
Second, I'm fully aware of the difference between rhotic and non-rhotic pronunciation. This isn't an European vs North American issue like you say, since Scottish accents, for instance, are rhotic, while many northeastern North American accents are non-rhotic.
All I was saying is that it seems silly for someone, speaking in the same accent, to leave off the R sound where it's written, then add it in somewhere else where it's not. But thanks for looking things up on Wikipedia for me that I'm already fully aware of.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:15:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh And, finally, on the matter of Jaguar... if you're not Portuguese, or South American, or (most especially) haven't studied ancient Brazilian languages, you have no grounds for dictating how everyone else must pronounce it.
"Jaguar" is a word in the English language, no matter where it may have come from. Many words in English are from other languages, but that doesn't mean that speakers of the language from which the word came get to tell us how to pronounce our version of the word in our language.
In North America, it's generally "jagwar", while at least in England (I'm not sure about the rest of Britain), it's "Jagyuuh" or something silly like that. It's as simple as that.
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Brazero
Amarr Noble House
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:24:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Ralara
Originally by: sesanti I think you should state that you would be doing it wrong *if* you were trying to pronounce those names in English. In other languages they are pronounced differently!
There are no other languages.
And you are a moron, simple as that. Americano phsyco babbel most of it.
Originally by: Rodj Blake CCP are planning to give Amarrians some "oomph"
Unfortunately, "oomph" is the sound one makes when kicked repeatedly in the ribs.
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Asuka Smith
Gallente StarHunt
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:27:00 -
[120]
OP is an arrogant 'tard.
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Brazero
Amarr Noble House
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:52:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
We have a winner
Originally by: Rodj Blake CCP are planning to give Amarrians some "oomph"
Unfortunately, "oomph" is the sound one makes when kicked repeatedly in the ribs.
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Taedrin
Gallente Golden Mechanization Protectorate
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:01:00 -
[122]
This thread is almost as awesome as that thread that was about properly constructed Latin corporation names.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:18:00 -
[123]
Originally by: RedLion sleipnir should be sleipneer i think
I'd been saying "SLAYP-neer" (long "a" sound) on that one and FWIW dictionary.com agrees with me:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sleipnir
SLAYP-ner is also acceptable according to them. Don't miss the "listen to it" button, it's hilarious.
Also according to Wikipedia it's Old Norse for "slippy," which honestly sounds like what you'd expect Odin to name his hamster.
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Tae Ren
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:41:00 -
[124]
As a ukrainian-born russian living in Los Angeles and trying to pronounce japanese names in english, I support this product and/or service
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Tau Dades
Caldari Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.06.02 02:09:00 -
[125]
Cerberus: sir bur us care bear us
why reply? because this thread isn't long enough, and I have very little, if anything, to add!
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 02:52:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 02/06/2009 02:55:30
Originally by: sesanti I think you should state that you would be doing it wrong *if* you were trying to pronounce those names in English. In other languages they are pronounced differently!
To be more specific, if we were trying to pronounce these names in BRITISH English. In the United States, Jaguar is pronounce Jag Waar. We all know the Brits like to pretend that their version of pronunciation is the only 'proper' way to pronounce anything, even if they stole the word from other peoples (such as the word Jaguar, which unless I am totally mistaken originates in south America from the natives there) because they failed to learn how to pronounce it properly in the first place.
~SB
Edit the word originates from the Amazon.
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Dahak2150
Rowdy Ramblers
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:00:00 -
[127]
Ur correctin' it wrong.
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Edd Duck
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:06:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Edited by: Malvaceae Veri on 13/05/2009 14:00:51
Originally by: Ralara Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Where did you get these from? Because they are, quite frankly, wrong. Unless we are talking about a pronunciation of "rear" like "rea".
Af for oneiros, IIRC greek had a hard S, so no idea where you got your "uena" from.
Hint: these names are supposed to be spoken in latin/greek.
And add this to the fact that english has by and large lost all its original (18th was the last time this was fix'd, I recall) laws of pronunciation, at least, de facto.
Think they came out of the dictionary which tells you the correct pronunciation of words. You should read it sometime. Unless you are American in which case your dictionary is full of the most awful errors in spelling and pronunciation. American dictionaries, dumbed down spelling for dummies.
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Stormwind Bloodfeather
Minmatar Diablo Advocatus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:15:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 02/06/2009 03:21:55 Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 02/06/2009 03:15:55
Originally by: Edd Duck
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Edited by: Malvaceae Veri on 13/05/2009 14:00:51
Originally by: Ralara Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Where did you get these from? Because they are, quite frankly, wrong. Unless we are talking about a pronunciation of "rear" like "rea".
Af for oneiros, IIRC greek had a hard S, so no idea where you got your "uena" from.
Hint: these names are supposed to be spoken in latin/greek.
And add this to the fact that english has by and large lost all its original (18th was the last time this was fix'd, I recall) laws of pronunciation, at least, de facto.
Think they came out of the dictionary which tells you the correct pronunciation of words. You should read it sometime. Unless you are American in which case your dictionary is full of the most awful errors in spelling and pronunciation. American dictionaries, dumbed down spelling for dummies.
British English dictionaries, full of 1/2 learned words learned by their 1/2 educated people that only 1/2 conquered a world because they were so sure of their superiority that they couldn't be 1/2 assed to learn how to pronounce anything correctly in the countries they were in. Thus leaving a bunch of 1/2 assed pronunciation failures in their language that they now assume is the only 'proper' way to pronounce anything.
~SB
edit: That is not a slam on the British peoples of today, tbh it's a slam on the ones that formed the short lived British Empire, subjugated and in effect enslaved many countries, and because they couldn't be assed to learn the words properly for things in those countries from the ones who lived there, bastardized the words to suit themselves and created a massive failure within both the American and the British dictionaries. For EITHER side of the pond to assume our way is the only 'proper' way is the utmost in arrogance.
In EVE, your only friend is your ship and it's weapons. All others are the enemy! |
Nooma K'Larr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 03:43:00 -
[130]
Your Momma - y-oor ma-ma
Screw You - Sk-roo Y-oo
Eat Me - Eeet-Mee
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Takakura Hirohito
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Posted - 2009.06.02 04:10:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Dahak2150 Ur correctin' it wrong.
Agreed. Horrible topic with wrong "corrections." Learn latin rules.
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Dathkar LiSaddi
MTND Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.02 04:51:00 -
[132]
/me decides to not buy that mic after all.
Ah'm ah Gawl-darn Amarracan, an' Ah'll spake howeveh Ah wanna. Even if'n Ah mix up awl da dialectial thingies justa pruve th' point.
An' all that thar grammar an' spellin? We done got tha larnin' marm ta lookit yer pronunciates and she ain't e'er seen anytin' like it. She figgurs it must be somfin furrin.
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Eclairer
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:02:00 -
[133]
I called it a ser-ber-us once, and everyone knew what I was talking about. As well as the rock, the mer-mi-don and the jag-WAAR to name a few. If someone comes along and calls it a kebber-us, I will target the ser-ber-us.
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Melpheus Rax
Disco Biscuits
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:39:00 -
[134]
Makes me laugh to hear Rokh being pronounced as Roak because people must be dyslexic and see it as Rohk. Yes, Rohk would be Roak but Rokh is Roc - the mythical bird from Persia.
Kitsune is definely Kit-su-ne - Fox in Japanese.
Sorry, but Cerberus (the multi-headed dog which guards the gates of Hades) is pronounced sur-ber-us - a Latinised version of the Greek "Kerberos".
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 05:42:00 -
[135]
Ralara - Raww-laaahh-rahh! |
Nir Draturiss
Amarr Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:46:00 -
[136]
Pew Pew - Pee-u Pee-u
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MightyRhinox
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:54:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Ashimmu - ash ee moo
Gila - Gee la (hard G)
Kitsune - Kit soon
Arazu - Arra zoo
Epic fail.
A-shi-mmu, with slight hard pause on the mm
Gila= heela
Ki (key)-tsu (as in tsunami)-ne (as in neigh, but a shorter sound)
A-ra-zu.
All the Japanese Caldari ship names are ghey anyway, so it's okay.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:18:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 02/06/2009 07:19:21 Cerberus - "Sir bear us" Charon - "Lute Pin-yah-tah" Drake - "lawl-fit" Exequror - "Exek-wroar" Rokh - "Rook" or "Rock" (can't stop, can't stop the Rokh) Nidhoggur - "Hog" Kitsune - "trick-see hob-it-ses" Dominix - "Doh-mi" (it's French derived, so half the letters are silent and the ending only modifies the pronunciation of the silent letters)
Sorry, I can't be serious in a thread about correct pronunciation where the OP gets it wrong while trying to be authoritative :P
Oh, don't forget to review the thread about Latin Corp Names
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Alva Noto
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:44:00 -
[139]
As all scandinavian people probably all know how the minmatar norse-ship names are pronounced, and also it's a bit different between norweigian, swedish and icelandic. However you're not even close on that list.
I, myself pronounce them as everybody else, but if you want to know how they are pronounced its like this:
Naglfar = Naagelfaar
Muninn = Muunin
Huginn = Huugin
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Kiltharas Makaar
Amarr New Eden Research and Development Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:55:00 -
[140]
I do find anyone besides Nordic players hilarious when trying to pronounce the names based on Norse mythology, ending up saying things like "Slippner" etc
Oh, and:
Deimos is pronounced "Die-most" New Eden Research & Development Syndicate is recruiting! |
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.02 07:59:00 -
[141]
Nothing annoys me more namewise then being in a fleet and hearing someone like a Fleet Commander saying ;
Rokh
"Ok we have a Roak, a Roak on scanner..."
It's ROCK YOU $%^%$^$!!!
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CHAOS100
Widowmakers
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:23:00 -
[142]
bah this is how i pronounce it, ill stick with my way :P
Jaguar - jag warr
Harbinger - Harr bing er
Myrmidon - mer ma don
Abaddon - a bad-dun
Rokh - ROCK
Huginn - hug in or Hew gin
Scythe - SKY TH
Naglfar - Nag el far
Kitsune - Kit soon ee
Charon - chair on
Zealot - zee lot
Cerberus - sir ber us
Deimos - dee mos
Oneiros - own ear oes
Scimitar - skim it tar --------------
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Kristina Trepkas
Amarr The Light Of Other Days
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:38:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to have to cry on a forum, but I'm a butthurt Johnny Foreigner who thinks the Britain isn't important anymore, despite the fact the UK has been defending my democracy recently. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk or behave anymore, that's now the job of American imperialists.
So you can go back to drinking fine teas in that temperate land you call home, and enjoying the company of well-bred, well spoken ladies while we have to put up with Chippys and bottle-blonde airheads who couldn't find Britain on a map.
We'll let you know when we need your help to fight wars in the middle-east we started but can't handle when they turn nasty.
Fixed.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:39:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are hard)
Fenrir - Fen rear
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew) [/qoute]
You got all of these wrong. See "norse mythology" for more details.
It's actually:
Nidhoggur - Niidhoggir
Huginn - Huuginn
Sleipnir - Sleipniir
Fenrir - Fenriir
Muninn - Muuninn
Better do some background checks before making crazy statements about things. Besides, unless you're either Icelandic or Norwegian with a keen interest, you wouldn't be able to pronounce it correctly. For starters, the 'r' is really hard to pronounce, and you gotta be able to pronounce every letter in this word: hhrald'ir (yes, this is actually a real word from ancient norse, and it means "force leader", or something in that direction).
So I suggest letting people pronounce things the way they want to.
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Kiltharas Makaar
Amarr New Eden Research and Development Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:43:00 -
[145]
Icelandic is pretty much the language spoken by the Norwegian vikings who colonized the place. (Evolved somewhat over the centuries ofc)
This last post is the closest I have seen to correct. New Eden Research & Development Syndicate is recruiting! |
MightyRhinox
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:55:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Kiltharas Makaar Icelandic is pretty much the language spoken by the Norwegian vikings who colonized the place. (Evolved somewhat over the centuries ofc)
This last post is the closest I have seen to correct.
Interestingly (or maybe not, but who gives a f*ck if I interest you) Icelandic is closer to Anglo-saxon (Old English) than modern English is. It's the least changed language in the West-Germanic family.
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MightyRhinox
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:58:00 -
[147]
Originally by: CHAOS100 bah this is how i pronounce it, ill stick with my way :P
Kitsune - Kit soon ee
I'm gonna have to start *****slapping people who keep pronouncing it like that.... It's Japanese, it's not hard to pronounce and there is only one way to pronounce it unlike European languages.
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Kiltharas Makaar
Amarr New Eden Research and Development Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:00:00 -
[148]
That would also be largely because of Viking influence on especially Nortern England from 700-1050(+/-) New Eden Research & Development Syndicate is recruiting! |
MightyRhinox
Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:06:00 -
[149]
Well, it's because of the Great Migration, but close enough
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:11:00 -
[150]
Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Kiltharas Makaar Icelandic is pretty much the language spoken by the Norwegian vikings who colonized the place. (Evolved somewhat over the centuries ofc)
This last post is the closest I have seen to correct.
Interestingly (or maybe not, but who gives a f*ck if I interest you) Icelandic is closer to Anglo-saxon (Old English) than modern English is. It's the least changed language in the West-Germanic family.
Interestingly enough, you're wrong. Icelandic has absolutely nothing to do with germanic. It's an evolved form of norse, closer to the original than todays modern norwegian. Because Norway was annexed by Denmark during the middle ages, the norse language was almost completely wiped out in Norway, and modern Icelandic is the closest thing to the original norse language.
Norwegian Vikings where the original settlers in Iceland, and thus the language was more or less preserved there. Saxon's where also originally Vikings (not sure where they came from), but they where defeated and integrated in to the rest of the population in England (hence the name Anglo-Saxons), and thus the English language today has many words which originate from norse.
So no, not germanic. Danish is close to germanic, and norwegian is a hybrid of danish and norse.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:15:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Fille Balle I fail
http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:30:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Kolatha on 02/06/2009 09:33:34 Edited by: Kolatha on 02/06/2009 09:31:07
Originally by: Fille Balle
Saxon's where also originally Vikings (not sure where they came from), but they where defeated and integrated in to the rest of the population in England (hence the name Anglo-Saxons), and thus the English language today has many words which originate from norse.
Sorry, but the Saxons were of Germanic origin from long before the viking era. They settled in england during the time of the Roman Empire. The Viking era did not really get started until the 8th Century AD. Wiki Linkage
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Katherine Rowan
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:21:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Dahak2150 Ur correctin' it wrong.
Actually the term is 'International English', there is no such thing as British English. International, because that version of the English language is the correct, established language form. The only other 'version' is American English used only by either people educated (sic) in that country, or illiterate and lazy on-line posters. Telling other people how to speak, well, how to speak our language which is our prerogative. Is hardly a fault.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity Ethikos Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:35:00 -
[154]
Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Fille Balle I fail
http://softrat.home.mindspring.com/germanic.html
Originally by: Thefailedathistorywebpage Norwegian Norwegian, a contemporary Western North Germanic language, is the official language of Norway. It is a collection of related dialects of West Norse. It has two major written dialects: Nynorsk and Bokmal. Nynorsk is the contemporary descendent of Old Norwegian. Bokmal, also called Dano-Norwegian or Riksmal, is really a form of Danish. Since 1951 there has been a concerted effort to effect a merger of the two dialects.
Number of Speakers (1988): 5 million
Norway did not have even close to 5 million people in 1988. it was closer to 4 million. In 2008 the recorded population was 4.5 million. So that's the first thing that's wrong. And the language that's actually a collection of the various dialects in Norway, is Nynorsk, which in english means "new norwegian".
Riksmaal is NOT Bokmaal. Riksmaal predates Bokmaal, and is written differently. Riksmaal was the first written language to be officially used in Norway after Norway was liberated from Sweden. Bokmaal roughly translates to "written tongue".
There isn't, and probably never will be, a concerted effort to merge the two languages in Norway. Both languages have their own institutes dedicated to PRESERVING both languages. Where most countries have one language subject in school, Norwegian schools have two. Nynorsk, and Bokmaal.
In summary, the page that you have linked is fail. All the things I mentioned above is taught in school in Norway. The only thing that is right, is that most language scholars reckon there is a link between ancient germanic and norse, which would indicate that they both stem from the same root. There is no way to prove this however, as germanic is a dead language, and it's all down to speculation loosely based on certain facts.
And to list Afrikaans next to Dutch/Flemish. It should be listed below if anything, as it evolved after the Dutch settled South Africa.
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Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Ratchman Myrmidon is pronounced murm-ee-don Sleipnir is pronounced sleep-neer (as in pier) Rokh is pronounced rok (silent h, although I suspect this may vary according to dialect) Abaddon is pronounced A-bad-don Charon is pronounced Karr-on Cerberus is pronounced Sur-burr-uss Oneiros is pronounced O-neer-oss (the neir is pronounced like 'near') Rhea is pronounced Ree-ah
Some of these words are open to local dialect, such as Jaguar (to me, it's Jag-yew-arr), but as long as we roughly understand what is being said, it's not worth getting too hung up on it.
All I'm concerned about is people get the Ch- (K) sounds right, and don't pronounce silent c's like in scythe (although anyone familiar with the British comedy "Bottom" will not be able to avoid pronouncing it sither, as one of the characters does).
Richard: How do you know these things? Eddie: I'm Death. Richard: Oh I'm sorry, HOW DO YOU KNOW THESE THINGS? Eddie: No! I'm Death! I'm Death!
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Iron Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 11:50:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
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Katia Indarye
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:39:00 -
[157]
Abba Don? Benny and Bjorn are Cambridge Proffesors? |
MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:46:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:47:00 -
[159]
Edited by: MightyRhinox on 02/06/2009 12:53:28
Originally by: Faille Balle more fail
The only people who speak Norwegian live in Norway? And Germanic isn't a language, it's a language family, Much like Asiatic, Indo-Urgic, Altaic etc. etc.
Stop being a troll and try to find out a little about what you're talking about before you open your mouth.
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Darriuss
Gallente Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:55:00 -
[160]
Originally by: MightyRhinox
...
ki TSU ne.
...
Gesundheit !!
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:56:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Darriuss
Originally by: MightyRhinox
...
ki TSU ne.
...
Gesundheit !!
Thank you.
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:35:00 -
[162]
Welcome to General Discussion. Home of the not very accurate declarative statement.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:41:00 -
[163]
I've learned a few things about language reading this thread.
However, there is one thing no-one seems to appreciate. The pronounciation of these ship names is defined by the majority of people. Sorry if it isn't 'correct' according to the native language, but language (and pronounciations) evolve over time. The emphasis here is not what is 'correct', but what the concensus is, so that we can understand what the ships are when people refer to them.
Personally, the argument of jag-waar and jag-u-arr (or rock and roak) is barely worth mentioning, as we both know what is being referred to. The issues arise when you have wildly different pronounciations that can lead to confusion, such as sir-bir-us and kebber-us. Frankly, I didn't know the latter pronounciation even existed, and have never heard anyone refer to it in that way. Therefore, even if kebber-us is the correct pronounciation, it is archaic and therefore not the one that is actually used.
If anyone wants to argue about language, then argue about the fashion of deliberate misspellings, such as moar and oh noes, or internet speak, such as xthkbye (someone uses that with me will get a fckff in response). Both of these things are much more of an obstruction to understanding, and far too many people use them. If english is to be the chosen common language, then keep it simple for the people to whom it is a second language.
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Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.02 13:42:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
I stopped reading right here. Jag-waar is perfectly acceptible.
------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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Connner
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:19:00 -
[165]
Originally by: CHAOS100 bah this is how i pronounce it, ill stick with my way :P Scimitar - skim it tar
Do you cut paper with your Skizors too?
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Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:26:00 -
[166]
message to OP - you are sooooo upjerarswe
Definition of 'CareBear' - Somebody who doesn't play the game the way that YOU want them to. |
Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:38:00 -
[167]
Thank christ you're here, eh? Signature locked for discussing moderation. Navigator
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:49:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Katherine Rowan
Originally by: Dahak2150 Ur correctin' it wrong.
Actually the term is 'International English', there is no such thing as British English. International, because that version of the English language is the correct, established language form. The only other 'version' is American English used only by either people educated (sic) in that country, or illiterate and lazy on-line posters. Telling other people how to speak, well, how to speak our language which is our prerogative. Is hardly a fault.
That's nice and all, but I hope you realize the only putative English word actually in dispute here as far as I know is "Jaguar," and even that may well have some Amerindian origin which I haven't bothered to look up.
Myrmidon -- Ancient Greek Oneiros -- Ancient Greek Sleipnir -- Old Norse Kitsune -- Japanese Gila -- Spanish Rhea -- Ancient Greek etc
The only race whose ships' names are in English is the Amarr, and you'll notice there's not too much dispute about those. |
Calvaire Democriaties
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.02 14:52:00 -
[169]
thank god the server is back up
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:08:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 02/06/2009 15:11:12
-10/10
Quote: Kitsune - Kit soon
**** you.
Edit: Sweet Christ, if you think even half of these are correct, I want some of what you're smoking. Get off your high horse and let the pros have a ride, hmkay?
Fake edit: At the OP. And I hope this is a troll, if only for the sake of linguists everywhere. |
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:28:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Governor LePetomane ... "Jaguar," and even that may well have some Amerindian origin which I haven't bothered to look up.
Uh, yep. From Miriam-Webster's Filthy American Online Dictionary:
Etymology: Portuguese, from Tupi jawßra large carnivore (Tupi being a group of languages -- or, in the UK, lan - gyooo- aahhh- ges apparently -- native to South America)
Based on this I can only deduce that the light- in- the- loafers British pronunciation is in fact completely wrong and that the American pronunciation is much closer to the actual word. Stick that in your Meerschaum pipe and smoke it.
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Northern Fall
Minmatar Guild Academy Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:34:00 -
[172]
Oh great,
Someone decided to start a thread that mixed different accents and countries.
You might as well of decided to slap a big "FORUM WARRIORZ WANTED" banner on the top as well.
Congratulations, you loose EVE.
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The Wintersmith
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:43:00 -
[173]
Edited by: The Wintersmith on 02/06/2009 16:44:41
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
They invented it, speak your own language, or don't you have any relavent heritage/ culture?
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:03:00 -
[174]
Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
So desu.
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Cons Pro
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:14:00 -
[175]
Contrary to popular belief, Naglfar is actually spelled F-A-I-L. |
Aargh
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:26:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Well, yes.
So, newzflash, kids, Cicero's name should be pronounced Kikero.
Cicero was Roman, not Greek.
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Daphne Mezereum
Caldari Half Lethal
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:43:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Aargh
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Well, yes.
So, newzflash, kids, Cicero's name should be pronounced Kikero.
Cicero was Roman, not Greek.
Thus, he spoke ancient latin, which is, according to newest research, a language in which the sound denoted by the letter "c" was to be spoken as a "k" sound, afaik.
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Uberix
Amarr Slavery Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:46:00 -
[178]
You've done a decent job of butchering the Scandinavian names for Minmatar ships.
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Yukinagoto
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:12:00 -
[179]
`Kitsune - Kit soon`
KI TSU NEH きつね 狐 FOX in japanese.
You`re wrong OP.
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Yukinagoto
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:14:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Bad Harlequin
Originally by: MightyRhinox
Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
Originally by: Ralara
Kitsune - Kit soon
FAIL
In japanese you pronounce every romaji character. For example:
Ichii is 'EE-chee-EE'.
Kitsune is 'kit-su-nay'
Goddamn it.
ki TSU ne.
Buncha clownshoes.
So desu.
SOU DESU. そうです。
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:23:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 04/06/2009 00:23:40
Originally by: Yukinagoto
SOU DESU. そうです。
Not when i learned it 20 years ago, actually . Transliterations of the syllabary have changed. Nowadays, watashi no Nihongo wa totemo warui desu yo.
Seeing "atashi" repeatedly really confused me for a while.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:25:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Eventy One on 04/06/2009 00:27:10 No one's shared with the OP how to pronounce "F.U."?
Its "Eff You".
(j/k)
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Jackson Brown
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:31:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Stormwind Bloodfeather Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 02/06/2009 03:21:55 Edited by: Stormwind Bloodfeather on 02/06/2009 03:15:55
Originally by: Edd Duck
Originally by: Malvaceae Veri Edited by: Malvaceae Veri on 13/05/2009 14:00:51
Originally by: Ralara Rhea - Rear
Oneiros - the closest I can type it as, is it sounds similar to "buena" but without the B.
Where did you get these from? Because they are, quite frankly, wrong. Unless we are talking about a pronunciation of "rear" like "rea".
Af for oneiros, IIRC greek had a hard S, so no idea where you got your "uena" from.
Hint: these names are supposed to be spoken in latin/greek.
And add this to the fact that english has by and large lost all its original (18th was the last time this was fix'd, I recall) laws of pronunciation, at least, de facto.
Think they came out of the dictionary which tells you the correct pronunciation of words. You should read it sometime. Unless you are American in which case your dictionary is full of the most awful errors in spelling and pronunciation. American dictionaries, dumbed down spelling for dummies.
British English dictionaries, full of 1/2 learned words learned by their 1/2 educated people that only 1/2 conquered a world because they were so sure of their superiority that they couldn't be 1/2 assed to learn how to pronounce anything correctly in the countries they were in. Thus leaving a bunch of 1/2 assed pronunciation failures in their language that they now assume is the only 'proper' way to pronounce anything.
~SB
edit: That is not a slam on the British peoples of today, tbh it's a slam on the ones that formed the short lived British Empire, subjugated and in effect enslaved many countries, and because they couldn't be assed to learn the words properly for things in those countries from the ones who lived there, bastardized the words to suit themselves and created a massive failure within both the American and the British dictionaries. For EITHER side of the pond to assume our way is the only 'proper' way is the utmost in arrogance.
USA USA USA!
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Marine HK4861
Caldari K.D. SCIENTIFIC INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2009.06.04 00:52:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Bad Harlequin Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 04/06/2009 00:23:40
Originally by: Yukinagoto
SOU DESU. そうです。
Not when i learned it 20 years ago, actually . Transliterations of the syllabary have changed. Nowadays, watashi no Nihongo wa totemo warui desu yo.
Seeing "atashi" repeatedly really confused me for a while.
I thought 'atashi' is an alternate version of 'watashi' used almost exclusively by women?
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Pusha Man
Minmatar Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2009.06.04 03:07:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Ralara
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
Both are correct. Linkage I've never heard anyone in the US pronounce it "jag yoo ah". Pretty sure that's a UK or Euro way.
This. And apply it to everything in the OP, not just the Jag.
Nobody cares about Euros or how they pronounce things; especially arrogant Brits whose English is even worse than the most uneducated American hood rat.
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Shinjin Malvek
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.06.04 03:14:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Shinjin Malvek on 04/06/2009 03:15:47 Ok I didn't bother reading all 7 pages but the only two that bother me is Abaddon and Harbinger... I looked them up and even got an audible of how to say them and they were pronounced like I would say them.
For those that cant pronounce Amarr ship names... Aòbadòdon Pronunciation: (u-bad'n), [key] no ON on the end just N
harbinger Definition har+bin+ger (hSr′bin jər) G at the end is spoken as a J.
In the U.S. any way :)
That is all thank you.
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Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.06.04 08:56:00 -
[187]
Edited by: Sirius Snape on 04/06/2009 08:57:44 Jaguar - Jag
Harbinger - Harbs
Myrmidon - Donald
Abaddon - A-ba
Rokh - Rock
Bhaalgorn - Baalbag
Machariel - Macdaddy
Maelstrom - Stromboli
Archon - Akon (street, gansta, word)
Chimera - Kim
Nidhoggur - Hogger
Huginn - Kissin
Astarte - Ass starter
Sleipnir - Sleep here
Ashimmu - Shamu the Killer Whale
Cynabal - Cymbal
Gila - Gilet
Exequror - Exchecker
Scythe - Sith
Naglfar - Naggle
Kitsune - Kit-kat
Arazu - LA Zoo
Charon - Shazza
Fenrir - Fine rear
Succubus - F*ck you, bus!
Zealot - Sell out
Cerberus - Cerb [RUS]
Deimos - Demo's
Muninn - Ammuninition
Iteron - Sh*teron
Rhea - Little sexy bird
Oneiros - Canyonaro
Scimitar - Simon the skimming skimitard.
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Andre Marconius
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2009.06.04 09:56:00 -
[188]
Thought this was going to be about system names and gangs...
"Set destination to yva roooor" "You wot?" "Yva eroooor" "Eh?" "Sod it -> Yvaeroure" "Ohhh"
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Etheri Grim
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Posted - 2009.06.04 10:49:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Destro Its not Brian - its Bri ON
He's a very naughty boy!
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:41:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
Could you let us know your country of residence, sir? It would allow us to make any number of racial slurs based on overwhelming generalisations and ignorant assumptions.
I'm assuming the poster is American, as it does seem to be the only place I can think of that thinks we all have horrendous teeth. If you are, I would also think twice about accusing us of Imperialism when your own has got an equally repellent history of exploiting other countries, and even their own countrymen.
You should know by now that the people are not the country. They just live there. Stereotypes exist because people lack the intellect to imagine that the whole of humanity is made up of individuals.
And if you're a troll, this is even worse. It means you take pride in your social ineptness.
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Chris Liath
Gallente Nex Exercitus Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:53:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
Could you let us know your country of residence, sir? It would allow us to make any number of racial slurs based on overwhelming generalisations and ignorant assumptions.
I'm assuming the poster is American, as it does seem to be the only place I can think of that thinks we all have horrendous teeth. If you are, I would also think twice about accusing us of Imperialism when your own has got an equally repellent history of exploiting other countries, and even their own countrymen.
You should know by now that the people are not the country. They just live there. Stereotypes exist because people lack the intellect to imagine that the whole of humanity is made up of individuals.
And if you're a troll, this is even worse. It means you take pride in your social ineptness.
Pwnt.
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.04 13:01:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Marine HK4861
Originally by: Bad Harlequin Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 04/06/2009 00:23:40
Originally by: Yukinagoto
SOU DESU. そうです。
Not when i learned it 20 years ago, actually . Transliterations of the syllabary have changed. Nowadays, watashi no Nihongo wa totemo warui desu yo.
Seeing "atashi" repeatedly really confused me for a while.
I thought 'atashi' is an alternate version of 'watashi' used almost exclusively by women?
Usually, but the rise of the soushokudanshi is making it more common for some guys. I think it's used more for guys in Fukuoka-ben as well (but I'm not sure)
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Mendolus
Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.06.04 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 13/05/2009 14:30:53 Cerberus is just - "Sir-beh-russ" isn't it?
There were no soft C sounds in Greek and Latin, only hard "Kuh" sounds.
Celtic is "Keltic" in phonetics.
As for the OP... you have obviously never studied linguistics, nor any Romance languages for that matter, esp. Latin
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Edited by: Seamus Drummer on 04/06/2009 17:18:50 Edited by: Seamus Drummer on 04/06/2009 17:17:29 Don't you feel a bit stupid to tell CCP (remember, they're from Iceland) or german speaking people how to pronounce germanic/norse names?
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Grann Thefauto
Internal Anarchy
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Edited by: Grann Thefauto on 04/06/2009 19:47:58
Originally by: Aisley Tyrion How about the Minmatar fighter "einherji"? I have no trouble pronouncing it the way I'd do it in my native language (which is Finnish) but how should it be pronounced 'the English style'?
I had a discussion with a corp mate about this some time ago and figured the easiest way would be to drop -ji from the end and pronounce it as 'ein-her'.
I'd say Eyen(like "aye" or "eye" with an N)-her-jee in my General American English accent.
On on more serious note though, I have decided to start pronouncing kitsune: "kizzoon" as that appears to be the consensus. |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Originally by: Grann Thefauto
On on more serious note though, I have decided to start pronouncing kitsune: "kizzoon" as that appears to be the consensus.
Kizzoon? I can see even Kit-soon as opposed to the proper pronunciation, but Ki*ZZ*oon?
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
I agree with the purpose and scope of this thread; however, where exactly are you from? I have never, in all of my life heard Jaguar pronounced like you have it listed.
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Pulsarr1
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Posted - 2009.06.05 05:20:00 -
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To confuse matters even more. I hear Jaguar pronounced Jag-wire by Californian's all the time. I don't know where the I comes from.
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Awesome Possum
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Edited by: Awesome Possum on 05/06/2009 05:44:39 Abaddon - Abaddon is from the Hebrew word pronounced aw-bawd-don. It means destruction, or to perish. The Greek version of the Hebrew word is Apollyon.
edit: forgot to add
Gila - HEE-la
It's a lizard, slow, poisonous, and ugly as sin.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.05 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong.
Jaguar - jag you ah (not jag waar)
I agree with the purpose and scope of this thread; however, where exactly are you from? I have never, in all of my life heard Jaguar pronounced like you have it listed.
-Karlemgne
Here's the breakdown on that:
People who actually live in the Jaguar's natural range or on the same continent (North and South America) speak one of three languages: English, Spanish or Portuguese. The word is spelled the same in all three languages and the last part of the word is pronounced "waar" in all three (JAG-waar, hag-WAAR, zhag-WAAR).
People who say "JAG-yew-uh" live thousands of miles and at least one ocean away from Jaguar habitat and will never see one in their native country unless it's on television or in a zoo.
Damned if they're not experts though.
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Awesome Possum
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Posted - 2009.06.05 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
The british are not a race. The english, welsh, scottish, and irish are not races.
Therefore, there was no racism in that post.
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cyonida
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Edited by: cyonida on 05/06/2009 07:09:46 I disagree with a lot of those.....here's my list
west coast US accent...
Jaguar - jag u ar (sometimes I do say jag waar, the ua makes a 'w' sound)
Harbinger - Har bin jur
Myrmidon - meer mi don
Abaddon - uh bah dun
Rokh - roke ( as in spoke)
Bhaalgorn - Bal gorn
Machariel - muh care ee el
Maelstrom - Male strom
Archon - Arch on
Chimera - Chai meer uh
Nidhoggur - Nid huh grrrr
Huginn - Hew gin (gin, not jin)
Astarte - uh star tay
Sleipnir - Slep ner
Ashimmu - uh shim eww
Cynabal - sin uh bull
Gila - Gee la ( soft G as in geek)
Exequror - ex ek ur or
Scythe sigh th
Naglfar - nah gul far
Kitsune - Kit soon eh
Arazu - Arra zoo
Charon - char on (char as in chocolate)
Fenrir - Fen rear
Succubus - suck you bus
Zealot - Zel uh t
Cerberus - sair brrr us
Deimos - dee mos (mos as in gross)
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Iteron - It ur-on
Rhea - Ray uh
Oneiros - oh near os (os as in gross)
Scimitar - sim it ar
Edit:
Vagur - Var grr ( I fail to see how a "ur" can make an "or" sound)
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Jin Nib
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Um, no, it's all pronounced like this:
Hadukan - Ha due ken
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.06.05 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Katherine Rowan I'm a snooty Brit who thinks my way is the only way. Blah blah blah.
Fixed.
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Edited by: Balgus Dais on 05/06/2009 10:10:27 Edited by: Balgus Dais on 05/06/2009 10:08:52 Hell yeah!
Jaguar - Jag-Wire
Harbinger - Har-Binger (Bringer without the R)
Myrmidon - Mer-Mi-Don (A Mermaid with a mid-sized mastodon)
Abaddon - Ab-Uh-Don
Rokh - Rock (And roll)
Bhaalgorn - Balg-Horn (As in Balcony with a G, Just like in my name, the H is imaginary)
Machariel - Muh-Care-Ee-Ull
Maelstrom - Male strum
Archon - Arr kon
Chimera - Kai-Mare-Uh (Kai is pronounced Eye with a K in front of it)
Nidhoggur - Nig-Hog-Er
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Astarte - Uh-Start
Sleipnir - Slyp-ner (Sly with a P at the end)
Ashimmu - Ash-I-Moo (The I makes the same sound as the I in Middle)
Cynabal - Sin-I-Bull (Like Cynical, only with a B)
Gila - Gill-Uh
Exequror - Execuroar (Executor, only the Tor is a roar.)
Scythe - Sigh-th (Who doesn't know how to pronounce this?)
Naglfar - Nag-Ul-Far (Ul as in Pull)
Kitsune - Kit-Soon
Arazu - Aura-Zoo
Charon - Char-On (Char as in Character)
Fenrir - Fen-Rear
Succubus - suck you bus <- lol, but yeah, that.
Zealot - Zee-Loy
Cerberus - Sir-Ber-Us
Deimos - Daymos (Most without the T)
Muninn - Mew-nin
Iteron - It-er-on
Rhea - Re-uh
Oneiros - O-Knee-Rose (Rose like Roast without the T)
Scimitar - I'm a Skimitard.
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Ratchman Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
The british are not a race. The english, welsh, scottish, and irish are not races.
Therefore, there was no racism in that post.
Splitting hairs, aren't we?
Racism is only really used because nationalism means something else entirely.
Guess the only way for you to find out is to spout hatred about a specific country in your place of work and see what they fire you for.
In all seriousness, does anyone actually know what the term is for being bigoted against people from a certain country is? |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Ratchman Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
The british are not a race. The english, welsh, scottish, and irish are not races.
Therefore, there was no racism in that post.
Splitting hairs, aren't we?
Racism is only really used because nationalism means something else entirely.
Guess the only way for you to find out is to spout hatred about a specific country in your place of work and see what they fire you for.
In all seriousness, does anyone actually know what the term is for being bigoted against people from a certain country is?
You can use many, I'm partial to a few good ones, unfortunately none are suitable for polite conversation.
(Eww, I just did a searh for it, man people whine alot about other people not likeing them. Get over it. Also I couldn't find it.) |
Typhado3
Minmatar Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Aeternus.
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..... someone who doesn't understand that there is more than 1 way to pronounce a word.... so much for eve players being smarter. |
Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:18:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:22:35 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:51 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:15 All words should be spoken using the pronunciation of the language that the word originates from. I don't care if you're English, American or whatever, if you're pronouncing a German word, you should use their pronunciation. If everyone did this, there would be no cross-language issues with understanding.
As for changing language over time based on commonalities of speech between people (who usually have regional dialects that prevent them pronouncing their own language properly anyway), don't make me laugh. This is how horrific mispellings and grammar get into the dictionary and end up bastardising the language. This isn't the evolution of language, it's the de-evolution and corruption of it. The English language is a fantastically flexible means of communication and, regardless of any Anglo-American rivalry, Queen's English is the basis for the American language. It's exactly these kinds of changes creeping in over the last few centuries (and the assimilation and mis-pronunciation of words from other languages) that have caused the differences between the two.
Edits for spelling. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:22:35 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:51 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:15 All words should be spoken using the pronunciation of the language that the word originates from. I don't care if you're English, American or whatever, if you're pronouncing a German word, you should use their pronunciation. If everyone did this, there would be no cross-language issues with understanding.
As for changing language over time based on commonalities of speech between people (who usually have regional dialects that prevent them pronouncing their own language properly anyway), don't make me laugh. This is how horrific mispellings and grammar get into the dictionary and end up bastardising the language. This isn't the evolution of language, it's the de-evolution and corruption of it. The English language is a fantastically flexible means of communication and, regardless of any Anglo-American rivalry, Queen's English is the basis for the American language. It's exactly these kinds of changes creeping in over the last few centuries (and the assimilation and mis-pronunciation of words from other languages) that have caused the differences between the two.
Edits for spelling.
^This.
Is total nonsense. |
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Originally by: Ratchman In all seriousness, does anyone actually know what the term is for being bigoted against people from a certain country is?
The word you're looking for actually is Chauvinism.
These days it's got snatched up by feminists and it's almost never used to mean anything other than male sexism, but for a very long time its most common meaning was a sort of very ugly nationalism. |
Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:45:22 @Jin Nib
Care to elaborate? Why is there a problem with pronouncing a foreign word using their pronunciation instead of my own? I have a UK regional accent and am fully aware of the confusion it causes on voice comms during combat, so I always try to speak clearly and correctly to avoid confusion. Whilst this means I have to consciously supress my natural accent, I have no problems with that as I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I am always correct when pronouncing words that belong to a different language. |
Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.06.05 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Awesome Possum
Originally by: Ratchman Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
The british are not a race. The english, welsh, scottish, and irish are not races.
Therefore, there was no racism in that post.
Splitting hairs, aren't we?
Racism is only really used because nationalism means something else entirely.
Guess the only way for you to find out is to spout hatred about a specific country in your place of work and see what they fire you for.
In all seriousness, does anyone actually know what the term is for being bigoted against people from a certain country is?
Actually the word you were looking for was 'prejudice'.
Try reading a few more books.
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Awesome Possum
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Originally by: cyonida Edited by: cyonida on 05/06/2009 07:09:46 I disagree with a lot of those.....here's my list
west coast US accent... Gila - Gee la ( soft G as in geek)
More like "ignorant moron accent"
If you're from the west coast, and don't know that Gila is pronounced with an H, then you're a dip that should visit the zoo more often.
The bloody Gila Monster is NATIVE to the southwest.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jin Nib on 05/06/2009 17:03:11
Originally by: Adjasarcanter Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:45:22 @Jin Nib
Care to elaborate? Why is there a problem with pronouncing a foreign word using their pronunciation instead of my own? I have a UK regional accent and am fully aware of the confusion it causes on voice comms during combat, so I always try to speak clearly and correctly to avoid confusion. Whilst this means I have to consciously supress my natural accent, I have no problems with that as I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I am always correct when pronouncing words that belong to a different language.
MY argument would be that while they may have their origins in another language they are part of English language as soon as they are ported for use in the English language. As such, with respect to their original pronunciation, they ought to be pronounced using the same pronunciation rules that the rest of the language uses. The reason being of course that other languages have many varied and quite different pronunciation for similar spellings. The most obvious examples often being French words now in common English vocabulary.
In other words, you cannot expect others to needlessly educate themselves in the myriad of rules and languages in order to pronounce them in their original form, when they already have a set of perfectly good rules from a perfectly good language available. Getting the sound right is the job of the author (however he chooses to alliterate it) not the reader.
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 17:33:10 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 17:32:53 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 17:32:04
Originally by: Jin Nib Edited by: Jin Nib on 05/06/2009 17:03:11
Originally by: Adjasarcanter Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:45:22 @Jin Nib
Care to elaborate? Why is there a problem with pronouncing a foreign word using their pronunciation instead of my own? I have a UK regional accent and am fully aware of the confusion it causes on voice comms during combat, so I always try to speak clearly and correctly to avoid confusion. Whilst this means I have to consciously supress my natural accent, I have no problems with that as I'm not arrogant enough to assume that I am always correct when pronouncing words that belong to a different language.
MY argument would be that while they may have their origins in another language they are part of English language as soon as they are ported for use in the English language. As such, with respect to their original pronunciation, they ought to be pronounced using the same pronunciation rules that the rest of the language uses. The reason being of course that other languages have many varied and quite different pronunciation for similar spellings. The most obvious examples often being French words now in common English vocabulary.
In other words, you cannot expect others to needlessly educate themselves in the myriad of rules and languages in order to pronounce them in their original form, when they already have a set of perfectly good rules from a perfectly good language available. Getting the sound right is the job of the author (however he chooses to alliterate it) not the reader.
Indeed. I see your point. But still:
There are several French words in the English language that, when originally incepted into English, were still pronounced using the French inflections even though they were spelt without accents. Many have since become naturalised into the English dictionary using our pronunciation. Take "CafT" for example. When used in English, it's generally printed without the accute accent over the "e" which makes the word sound totally different from how it's actually pronounced. Whilst people continued to use the proper pronunciation for many years, even without the accent, this is slowly becoming less common in the UK and the word now has a rather flat sound to it. A French person probably wouldn't even recognise the word if it was spoken to him using the common British variant. I see this as unacceptable and lazy on the part of the speaker.
It's the same with names. I have a Slavic surname that should have an accent over the "c" at the end of it, as in the Serbo-Croat letter "ch". Because this letter doesn't exist in English however, it has to be spelt with just a plain "c" on the end, Unfortunately, this lead to everyone pronouncing it incorrectly, so I had to add a "h" to the end of my name to make things simpler for uneducated people. I had to bastardise my own name due to other people's laziness!
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter
This was my original point about the corruption of language over time.
I think this is what it pretty much boils down to, I don't see it as corruption I see it as growth. Quite frankly a static language is a dead language. Further more any attempt to stem change, or keep the status quo are doomed to failure, because any such attempt is a fight against the very nature of the beast. Language is a human trait rather then an object of codified set study.
On the subject of spelling, simply because languages may share the same or similar alphabets does not imply things should be spelt the same across different languages.
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 17:51:55
Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Adjasarcanter
This was my original point about the corruption of language over time.
I think this is what it pretty much boils down to, I don't see it as corruption I see it as growth. Quite frankly a static language is a dead language. Further more any attempt to stem change, or keep the status quo are doomed to failure, because any such attempt is a fight against the very nature of the beast. Language is a human trait rather then an object of codified set study.
On the subject of spelling, simply because languages may share the same or similar alphabets does not imply things should be spelt the same across different languages.
Maintaining consistency over long periods of time doesn't have to exclude growth of the language. New words are being added to the dictionary every day which is, by definition, growth of the language. I guess I'm a just proponent for linguistic prescription rather than description as the main source of language growth. Unfortunately, most of the larger dictionaries tend to use the descriptive method these days.
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 17:52:00 -
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oh please, don't call someone that is 'ignorant' either lazy or uneducated.
Just a 'friendly' correction with some phonetics is all that is needed. We're Human, we make mistakes, sometime its funny, sometimes its frustrating, but we can 'learn'.
For example, I'm English, I live in the US, I order my coffee in the mornings from people that have difficulty speaking anything but Spainish. They rarely ever got my orders correct till I stepped into the shop to speak with them. Took 2 mins for me to hear what they expect me to say when I order.
When I ask for Water, I have to modify accordingly to 'wadder' so the staff understand.
Now, carry on correcting me, but don't get all hissy when I screw up. I cringe when I see the grammar ****'s arrive on the forums and wish I could speak every language in the World, alas its not possible. All we are left with is 'politely' being corrected.
Evolution points to all languages getting watered down to the lowest common denominator (*something* completely bastardized, but universally understood), the push is usually financial.
Sure, purists might spin in their coffins, but all I say to that is 'bury them in tighter fitting coffins'!!!!
Apart from the above 'feelings', I'm enjoying learning from this thread.
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails hi cat here
i was thinking earlier about corpses...
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:07:15 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:07:01
Originally by: Spurty oh please, don't call someone that is 'ignorant' either lazy or uneducated.
Just a 'friendly' correction with some phonetics is all that is needed. We're Human, we make mistakes, sometime its funny, sometimes its frustrating, but we can 'learn'.
For example, I'm English, I live in the US, I order my coffee in the mornings from people that have difficulty speaking anything but Spainish. They rarely ever got my orders correct till I stepped into the shop to speak with them. Took 2 mins for me to hear what they expect me to say when I order.
When I ask for Water, I have to modify accordingly to 'wadder' so the staff understand.
Now, carry on correcting me, but don't get all hissy when I screw up. I cringe when I see the grammar ****'s arrive on the forums and wish I could speak every language in the World, alas its not possible. All we are left with is 'politely' being corrected.
Evolution points to all languages getting watered down to the lowest common denominator (*something* completely bastardized, but universally understood), the push is usually financial.
Sure, purists might spin in their coffins, but all I say to that is 'bury them in tighter fitting coffins'!!!!
Apart from the above 'feelings', I'm enjoying learning from this thread.
Apologies. Uneducated was the wrong word to use there, as someone mispronouncing a word could well be an educated person. Maybe ignorant is a better word, although many people would also take offence at being called ignorant and being ignorant through lack of effort is laziness.
In your example of the Spanish waiter, I believe they should be learning from you as they're speaking English, and not the other way around. You're corrupting your own language using their mispronunciations! It works both ways though too. If I'm in a country where Spanish is the main language I learn their inflections instead of speaking Spanish with a British accent. If I have trouble pronouncing a word from another language, I will ask someone who speaks the language to teach me the correct way to say the word or go on the net and find the phonetics. I would also expect someone noticing a mistake I had made to correct me, thereby expanding my knowledge of language in general. The problem is that a lot of people don't like being told they are in the wrong and see this as a negative thing so people don't bother correcting because they don't want to offend and (if enough people do this over an extended period) the language suffers. |
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Maintaining consistency over long periods of time doesn't have to exclude growth of the language. New words are being added to the dictionary every day which is, by definition, growth of the language. I guess I'm a just proponent for linguistic prescription rather than description as the main source of language growth. Unfortunately, most of the larger dictionaries tend to use the descriptive method these days.
Maintaining consitancy in English is asking quite alot considering the range of the geography, imensity of population, the amount of ESL speakers, and the vast difference in age that English speakers have.
All in all it pretty amazing we can understand each other at all, even if ot does require some work on my part to understand some of the heavier UK accents, or many of the ESL accents. (not that I bother all the time, nodding ones head can get you through so many things )
Even spelling, the most concrete part of the language, is very open to change. Just look at the Americans (yeah I used it :p) and their refusal to spell simple things like colour correctly. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:07:15 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:07:01
Originally by: Spurty oh please, don't call someone that is 'ignorant' either lazy or uneducated.
Just a 'friendly' correction with some phonetics is all that is needed. We're Human, we make mistakes, sometime its funny, sometimes its frustrating, but we can 'learn'.
For example, I'm English, I live in the US, I order my coffee in the mornings from people that have difficulty speaking anything but Spainish. They rarely ever got my orders correct till I stepped into the shop to speak with them. Took 2 mins for me to hear what they expect me to say when I order.
When I ask for Water, I have to modify accordingly to 'wadder' so the staff understand.
Now, carry on correcting me, but don't get all hissy when I screw up. I cringe when I see the grammar ****'s arrive on the forums and wish I could speak every language in the World, alas its not possible. All we are left with is 'politely' being corrected.
Evolution points to all languages getting watered down to the lowest common denominator (*something* completely bastardized, but universally understood), the push is usually financial.
Sure, purists might spin in their coffins, but all I say to that is 'bury them in tighter fitting coffins'!!!!
Apart from the above 'feelings', I'm enjoying learning from this thread.
Apologies. Uneducated was the wrong word to use there, as someone mispronouncing a word could well be an educated person. Maybe ignorant is a better word, although many people would also take offence at being called ignorant and being ignorant through lack of effort is laziness.
In your example of the Spanish waiter, I believe they should be learning from you as they're speaking English, and not the other way around. You're corrupting your own language using their mispronunciations! It works both ways though too. If I'm in a country where Spanish is the main language I learn their inflections instead of speaking Spanish with a British accent. If I have trouble pronouncing a word from another language, I will ask someone who speaks the language to teach me the correct way to say the word or go on the net and find the phonetics. I would also expect someone noticing a mistake I had made to correct me, thereby expanding my knowledge of language in general. The problem is that a lot of people don't like being told they are in the wrong and see this as a negative thing so people don't bother correcting because they don't want to offend and (if enough people do this over an extended period) the language suffers.
I happen to agree for the most part with this, but keep in mind some people just arnt that good at dialects or accents. Meaning the skill sets they have don't encompass certain pronunciation and its no laziness or ignorance that prevents them from 'correct' pronunciation. In addition some people simply cant hear the difference or have physical limitations of hearing the difference. The great thing about the flexibility of language is the ability to understand people using different iterations of the same word. |
Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:17:00 -
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The purpose of language is communication, full stop. It's a tool, not some sacred artifact that needs its "purity" defended for its own sake or to which we should all kowtow.
The bottom line is, if I know what you're trying to say and you know what I'm trying to say then everybody's doing it right... the "ZOMG SACRED HOLY LANGUAGE" be damned. |
Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Maintaining consistency over long periods of time doesn't have to exclude growth of the language. New words are being added to the dictionary every day which is, by definition, growth of the language. I guess I'm a just proponent for linguistic prescription rather than description as the main source of language growth. Unfortunately, most of the larger dictionaries tend to use the descriptive method these days.
Maintaining consitancy in English is asking quite alot considering the range of the geography, imensity of population, the amount of ESL speakers, and the vast difference in age that English speakers have.
All in all it pretty amazing we can understand each other at all, even if ot does require some work on my part to understand some of the heavier UK accents, or many of the ESL accents. (not that I bother all the time, nodding ones head can get you through so many things )
Even spelling, the most concrete part of the language, is very open to change. Just look at the Americans (yeah I used it :p) and their refusal to spell simple things like colour correctly.
Agreed. It's a very difficult task to keep the consistency over such a wide area, although most other countries teach English as a second language in schools, so a fair amount of people that don't have it as their first language can still speak or, at the very least, understand it enough to get by. The problems begin to arise when they have learned Queen's English in school and then, when they speak to an English speaking person (even taking regional accents out of the equation) so much is different due to these corruptions. |
Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:31:11
Originally by: Governor LePetomane The purpose of language is communication, full stop. It's a tool, not some sacred artifact that needs its "purity" defended for its own sake or to which we should all kowtow.
The bottom line is, if I know what you're trying to say and you know what I'm trying to say then everybody's doing it right... the "ZOMG SACRED HOLY LANGUAGE" be damned.
Exactly. Communication is the key here, and it's very easy to miscommunicate something if you aren't speaking the relevant language correctly. In the past, wars have been started over simple miscommunications. This has nothing to do with sanctity or purity. You wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail if you had the option of using a hammer. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Maintaining consistency over long periods of time doesn't have to exclude growth of the language. New words are being added to the dictionary every day which is, by definition, growth of the language. I guess I'm a just proponent for linguistic prescription rather than description as the main source of language growth. Unfortunately, most of the larger dictionaries tend to use the descriptive method these days.
Maintaining consitancy in English is asking quite alot considering the range of the geography, imensity of population, the amount of ESL speakers, and the vast difference in age that English speakers have.
All in all it pretty amazing we can understand each other at all, even if ot does require some work on my part to understand some of the heavier UK accents, or many of the ESL accents. (not that I bother all the time, nodding ones head can get you through so many things )
Even spelling, the most concrete part of the language, is very open to change. Just look at the Americans (yeah I used it :p) and their refusal to spell simple things like colour correctly.
Agreed. It's a very difficult task to keep the consistency over such a wide area, although most other countries teach English as a second language in schools, so a fair amount of people that don't have it as their first language can still speak or, at the very least, understand it enough to get by. The problems begin to arise when they have learned Queen's English in school and then, when they speak to an English speaking person (even taking regional accents out of the equation) so much is different due to these corruptions.
I quite enjoy listening to Japanese Engrish, it's quite refeshing in some ways. AS far as I'm concerned ESL speakers often bring a different veiw to English that I find a valuable tool in apprecaiting language.
The Engrish may be totally wrong, but it's totally awesome. |
Pater Peccavi
Minmatar Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:22:35 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:51 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 16:19:15 All words should be spoken using the pronunciation of the language that the word originates from. I don't care if you're English, American or whatever, if you're pronouncing a German word, you should use their pronunciation.
Dammit, I completely fail at rolling r's in French words.
Anywho, I'd just like to make this one request. Just say "Jag" on voice. Someone saying Jag-you-are on voice would annoy me to no end (like hearing about the zeal-ots during the Alliance tournament). |
Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter Exactly. Communication is the key here, and it's very easy to miscommunicate something if you aren't speaking the relevant language correctly. In the past, wars have been started over simple miscommunications. This has nothing to do with sanctity or purity. You wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail if you had the option of using a hammer.
No. "Correctly" and "intelligibly" are interchangeable here, and usage suits the needs of the user rather than the other way around.
For instance, the word "colour:" what purpose does the "u" in that word serve? It isn't pronounced, it isn't inflected, it doesn't form a diphthong. It's completely superfluous and frankly ought be done away with, and to insist that it remain to no good purpose is to assign power to the codified rules of the langauge that they shouldn't have.
Indeed, it's arguable that that "u" is in fact counterproductive since it doesn't conform to the rest of the accepted ruleset; however, certain foggy- minded people will cling to it in the belief that "The Rules" are sacrosanct and more important than the function they're meant to impart. It's at this point that you serve the language rather than it serving you, and I'd suggest that yes, it IS to a large degree about "purity."
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:55:31 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:54:43 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 18:54:04
Originally by: Governor LePetomane
Originally by: Adjasarcanter Exactly. Communication is the key here, and it's very easy to miscommunicate something if you aren't speaking the relevant language correctly. In the past, wars have been started over simple miscommunications. This has nothing to do with sanctity or purity. You wouldn't use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail if you had the option of using a hammer.
No. "Correctly" and "intelligibly" are interchangeable here, and usage suits the needs of the user rather than the other way around.
For instance, the word "colour:" what purpose does the "u" in that word serve? It isn't pronounced, it isn't inflected, it doesn't form a diphthong. It's completely superfluous and frankly ought be done away with, and to insist that it remain to no good purpose is to assign power to the codified rules of the langauge that they shouldn't have.
Indeed, it's arguable that that "u" is in fact counterproductive since it doesn't conform to the rest of the accepted ruleset; however, certain foggy- minded people will cling to it in the belief that "The Rules" are sacrosanct and more important than the function they're meant to impart. It's at this point that you serve the language rather than it serving you, and I'd suggest that yes, it IS to a large degree about "purity."
This is a valid point, but spelling is another matter entirely. The thread is discussing pronunciation.
I, unlike most of the people I know here in the UK, have no problems with American English missing out the letter "u" in the word colour (this kind of thing is usually just an excuse for cheap shots at Americans by the British anyway) although I do believe that all countries using the language should agree on the spelling to avoid confusion. As with most things, standards need to be set and adhered to for this very reason.
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:00:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 19:04:46 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 19:02:51 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 19:02:03 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 19:00:58
Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Adjasarcanter
Maintaining consistency over long periods of time doesn't have to exclude growth of the language. New words are being added to the dictionary every day which is, by definition, growth of the language. I guess I'm a just proponent for linguistic prescription rather than description as the main source of language growth. Unfortunately, most of the larger dictionaries tend to use the descriptive method these days.
Maintaining consitancy in English is asking quite alot considering the range of the geography, imensity of population, the amount of ESL speakers, and the vast difference in age that English speakers have.
All in all it pretty amazing we can understand each other at all, even if ot does require some work on my part to understand some of the heavier UK accents, or many of the ESL accents. (not that I bother all the time, nodding ones head can get you through so many things )
Even spelling, the most concrete part of the language, is very open to change. Just look at the Americans (yeah I used it :p) and their refusal to spell simple things like colour correctly.
Agreed. It's a very difficult task to keep the consistency over such a wide area, although most other countries teach English as a second language in schools, so a fair amount of people that don't have it as their first language can still speak or, at the very least, understand it enough to get by. The problems begin to arise when they have learned Queen's English in school and then, when they speak to an English speaking person (even taking regional accents out of the equation) so much is different due to these corruptions.
I quite enjoy listening to Japanese Engrish, it's quite refeshing in some ways. AS far as I'm concerned ESL speakers often bring a different veiw to English that I find a valuable tool in apprecaiting language.
The Engrish may be totally wrong, but it's totally awesome.
Hehe. Yeah that is quite amusing. I get a similar thing because I work with a lot of Indians and they tend to use English words here and there in amongst whatever local dialect they are speaking. Either because they don't have a word for it, or because it's simpler to use an English word. The funny thing is when they can pronounce English words better than most English people I know because they were taught Queen's English at school. It sounds very strange listening to a Bengali speaking in his local dialect, then using an English word, but using perfect pronunciation, then falling back into his local accent for his own language.
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Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter ...although I do believe that all countries using the language should agree on the spelling to avoid confusion. As with most things, standards need to be set and adhered to for this very reason.
That's self- evident, since the speaker and the listener (or the writer and the reader) must agree on certain things or else communication fails.
However, where we disagree is at which point in the process the rules are created. Your goal of a priori (or "prescriptive," as you put it) rules is, frankly, absurd and unobtainable for anything other than an artificial language like Esperanto. In actual practice, the rules inevitably lag behind popular usage and only work because they describe a thing that's already been agreed upon "in the wild," so to speak.
Nowhere is this more evident than in dictionaries, wherein a new word (or usage of a pre-existing word) must have worked its way up to widespread usage before being canonized and will therefore already be some years old before having been granted rule status; conversely, when a word or usage falls into disuse it will eventually be classified as archaic -- but only in the dictionary after it's done so in common usage.
The whole thing moves at a glacier's pace because of the tension between the need for established rules to maintain clarity and the tendency for new rules to form via consensus; however, make no mistake: it's very much a popularity contest and the academic taxonomy of the language will ALWAYS be subordinate to, for want of a less loathsome terminology, the market forces that come into play every time the language is used.
As for pronunciation, that's an even wilder beast than spelling or usage. Much as we might all like to grab it by the scruff of the neck and force it to behave I'm afraid that's pretty much impossible. There are always going to be regional accents and dialects, and once again these are the result of the fact that language governs by consensus far more than by lexicon. What we're experiencing here is that we're the victims of the internet having thrust disparate regions that normally have no daily contact with each other into the same TS channel. |
SpaceSquirrels
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.05 19:38:00 -
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Who revitalized this thread and why? Further I do realize i am a hypocrite for post on this topic thus adding to it. _________________________ EVE has the biggest haters out of any MMO...
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Adjasarcanter
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.05 20:03:00 -
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Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 20:05:48 Edited by: Adjasarcanter on 05/06/2009 20:04:59
Originally by: Governor LePetomane
Originally by: Adjasarcanter ...although I do believe that all countries using the language should agree on the spelling to avoid confusion. As with most things, standards need to be set and adhered to for this very reason.
That's self- evident, since the speaker and the listener (or the writer and the reader) must agree on certain things or else communication fails.
However, where we disagree is at which point in the process the rules are created. Your goal of a priori (or "prescriptive," as you put it) rules is, frankly, absurd and unobtainable for anything other than an artificial language like Esperanto. In actual practice, the rules inevitably lag behind popular usage and only work because they describe a thing that's already been agreed upon "in the wild," so to speak.
Nowhere is this more evident than in dictionaries, wherein a new word (or usage of a pre-existing word) must have worked its way up to widespread usage before being canonized and will therefore already be some years old before having been granted rule status; conversely, when a word or usage falls into disuse it will eventually be classified as archaic -- but only in the dictionary after it's done so in common usage.
The whole thing moves at a glacier's pace because of the tension between the need for established rules to maintain clarity and the tendency for new rules to form via consensus; however, make no mistake: it's very much a popularity contest and the academic taxonomy of the language will ALWAYS be subordinate to, for want of a less loathsome terminology, the market forces that come into play every time the language is used.
As for pronunciation, that's an even wilder beast than spelling or usage. Much as we might all like to grab it by the scruff of the neck and force it to behave I'm afraid that's pretty much impossible. There are always going to be regional accents and dialects, and once again these are the result of the fact that language governs by consensus far more than by lexicon. What we're experiencing here is that we're the victims of the internet having thrust disparate regions that normally have no daily contact with each other into the same TS channel.
My point is that the rules have already been prescribed and need no changing because they still work. Sure, descriptive analysis can be used to add new words to the dictionary, but it shouldn't be the case that random changes to the original ruleset get implemented just because the general public doesn't use the language in the correct fashion. The way things are going at the moment, I can just see, in 50 years or so, we will be using the apostrophe to denote a plural.
As far as speech goes, when you take accents out of the equation, there is a right and a wrong way to pronounce a word. Like I said earlier, when learning a new language, most people (myself included) attempt to speak it using the vocal inflections of the language being learned rather than their own. For example, if you were from Newcastle in the UK and you learned French, you wouldn't speak it with a Geordie accent and if you did, the French would have a big problem understanding you.
I agree completely that this conflict of dialects is the result of the Internet connecting people in ways that haven't been possible in the past, but this can also be used to increase communication consistency, as the rules of pronunciation are now freely available to everyone with a connection to the net.
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Yozul
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ratchman
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron I hate to break it to you, but the British Empire is dead. You don't get to tell the rest of the world how to talk anymore.
So you can go back to drinking yourselves into oblivion on that cold rock you call home, and enjoying the company of semi-attractive women with bad teeth.
We'll let you know if your country becomes relevant again.
Some good, old-fashioned racism here.
Could you let us know your country of residence, sir? It would allow us to make any number of racial slurs based on overwhelming generalisations and ignorant assumptions.
I'm assuming the poster is American, as it does seem to be the only place I can think of that thinks we all have horrendous teeth. If you are, I would also think twice about accusing us of Imperialism when your own has got an equally repellent history of exploiting other countries, and even their own countrymen.
You should know by now that the people are not the country. They just live there. Stereotypes exist because people lack the intellect to imagine that the whole of humanity is made up of individuals.
And if you're a troll, this is even worse. It means you take pride in your social ineptness.
That's pretty clever how you managed to assume that someone must be American because they're racist. Not at hypocritical.
Also, if you think America has a history of Imperialism, you clearly suck at history. Certainly there are things in American history I'm not proud of, and we've been bordering on imperialism lately, but historically we've stood against imperialism everywhere we've found it.
Honestly, the main reason America has the attitude toward the world that it does today is because after the cold war huge numbers of people started assuming that we'd turn into the bad guys. That made us defensive, and now we're left with this mess where America feels like the rest of the world is out to get us and the rest of the world feels like America is out to get them and we're both completely wrong. Your ridiculous assumptions about Americans aren't helping any. |
Governor LePetomane
Rock Ridge Brokerage Solutions
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Posted - 2009.06.05 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Adjasarcanter it shouldn't be the case that random changes to the original ruleset get implemented just because the general public doesn't use the language in the correct fashion.
Actually, it should. If a large enough portion of a language's base of users adopt a usage contrary to the canonized rule, then I'd submit that it's the rule that's incorrect and not the users.
I don't see your example with apostrophes as being likely to happen simply because the unrecognized use of the apostrophe to denote a plural comes into direct conflict with its accepted use in the possessive case or as a contraction, and as a result the "wrong" usage will remain confined to a large minority.
Here's an example of a small grammatical rule in English which I've observed changing within my lifetime: quotation marks at the end of a sentence.
When I was in elementary school I was taught that a period always goes inside quotes. Example: we've been arguing about the word, "jaguar." However, in recent years it's become acceptable to put the period outside the quotes, like so: "jaguar". As I understand it this is something that's entered English over the last 20 years from computer programming conventions, and in certain contexts it does indeed make more sense to use the latter method rather than the former.
So yeah, if usage 1. becomes prevalent and 2. makes sense, there's no reason I can see to keep the old conflicting rule. After all, to keep harping on my tired refrain here, we own the language and not the reverse.
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Lucas Tigh
United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.06.23 06:25:00 -
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Have we had fun discussing the various linguistic aspects of EVE?
I think we need another go, don't you?
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CCP, make me a winner. |
Funtclaps
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Have we had fun discussing the various linguistic aspects of EVE?
I think we need another go, don't you?
:3
Ok, I'll start -
The System "Biphi" in Domain low-sec, I insist it's pronounced "Beep-hee" and not "Beefy" |
Hagir Bethul
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Hagir Bethul on 23/06/2009 11:53:54
Originally by: Funtclaps
Ok, I'll start -
The System "Biphi" in Domain low-sec, I insist it's pronounced "Beep-hee" and not "Beefy"
It's clearly supposed to be pronounced "By-Phy", since it obviously constists of the transliteration of the greek letter "phi" and the prefix "bi" as in "biorthogonal".
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Sakarauka Sebtin
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Funtclaps
Originally by: Lucas Tigh Have we had fun discussing the various linguistic aspects of EVE?
I think we need another go, don't you?
:3
Ok, I'll start -
The System "Biphi" in Domain low-sec, I insist it's pronounced "Beep-hee" and not "Beefy"
I would have to say that it is pronounced "Biff-e", so that it rhymes with "hippie".
Of course I used to think trebuchet was pronounced "trebucket"
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Frenzei
Gallente Fortuna inc. Leather Rose Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Thuranni Edited by: Thuranni on 13/05/2009 15:25:14
Originally by: Ralara The following is how you pronounce the ships' names in Eve. If you're doing it another way, you're doing it wrong. Nidhoggur - Nid Hog ger (hard second G)
Huginn - Hew gin (hard G. Hew as in Jew)
Sleipnir - Slep nier (nier as in pier)
Naglfar - The closest most people can pronounce it correct is Nag-gul-far (both Gs are Fenrir - Fen rear
Muninn - Mew-nin (Mew as in Jew)
Seeing as how these are all Icelandic words or names, you are absolutely wrong on all of them.
Proper pronounciation of these names (EVE files link).
I'm Norwegian and pronounce these slower. |
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