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Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.10 04:00:00 -
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Hey, Im about to get an alt, and skill it up really quick to support my main (in a Drake) at doing short C1/C2 WH raids. At first I thought about this alt as dedicated salvager and scanner (in case I need to find a new exit) with a cloak, so I thought about getting him into a Catalyst for the cargohold.
But then it hit me. What about adding a Codebreaker and Analyzer and use the Drake to clear Radar and Magneto sites, and when they are clear, use the Destroyer to open the cans?? I know additional sleepers can spawn, but Im counting on haveing time to warp to a Safespot with the destroyer and take them on with the Drake.. Is this possible or are they just too fast on the locking and scraming/instapoping?? If this would be a viable idea I would then go for a Catalyst because of the CPU and midslots.
Are Radar and Magneto sites in low end wormholes to difficult for this approach? Are they profitable? Would I be better off just going for anomalies?
PS. Another fact I like about Radars/Magnet is that most people would just not bother trying to gank me in a signature, or if they did, Id have the probes warning |
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.10 07:42:00 -
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You'l need good tank, doing cl2 radars in a Drake. They are harder than anoms. So yes, free the slot you have asigned for the codebreaker for tank is a good idea. You dont need much cargo space, but high slots for your scout-salvager-codebreaker - so desy is probably ok.
If residents show up, chances are they have scanned your site already und you will not see them comming. So monitor the pos with your scout.
A experienced scanner will find your drake in one scan cycle. |
Frau Leinsmarch
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:14:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote: PS. Another fact I like about Radars/Magnet is that most people would just not bother trying to gank me in a signature, or if they did, Id have the probes warning
hahaha, dont count on it. If there is a good scout in the wormhole your in he should be able to scan you down very easily. When I scan down people in sites my probes are on scan for about 7 seconds.
Be under no illusions, being in a scanned site is barely safer than being in a public one.
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Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.10 08:54:00 -
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Generally rads/mags are a harder to do than anomalies. In c1/c2 radars/magnetometric sites, sleepers will NOT spawn while opening cans. Sleepers come in waves. Each wave has 1 trigger that will spawn next wave. In c4-c6, some sites can spawn waves when you tamper with the cans. The easiest way to do those sites, if you only want to get the stuff (excluding sleeper salvage), is to kill everything in first wave but leaving the trigger rat and then clean all the cans (it is good when doing some higher level sites solo). DO NOT get your destroyer in the site if there are still some sleepers there ( unless it's some single, low-level frigate ). As people before me said - you are never safe in those sites. Good scanner will get you very quickly. Just watch out for the probes and be aligned all the time (good rule to abide by in all sites). C1/C2 rad/mag sites are not worth much in terms of isk. It is better to treat those sites like normal anoms and kill+salvage all the rats here. Loot tends to take a lot of space: datacores(1m^3 but you will get a lot of those) + relics (10m^3 per piece) Use this site to see what are the triggers for each wave : Wormhole Sites |
Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.10 09:51:00 -
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
The Drake Im planning to take has a (EFT) 480 dps passive omnitank with 200 dps (Im more of a turret kinda guy but its impossible to ignore how good the Drake is at this).. Would that be enough to tank the sites? Is that a bit overtanked? I was under the impression they would be harder thats why I never thought of packing the modules on the Drake.
And about scanners, I know about the single cycle scanning.. But if spamming dscan, its still more warning than having a cloaky just uncloak next to you. Im not saying its gonna be safe, Im indeed expecting to die.. Its just that I expect to come out ahead in the isk war. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:10:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote:Thanks everyone for the replies.
The Drake Im planning to take has a (EFT) 480 dps passive omnitank with 200 dps (Im more of a turret kinda guy but its impossible to ignore how good the Drake is at this).. Would that be enough to tank the sites? Is that a bit overtanked? I was under the impression they would be harder thats why I never thought of packing the modules on the Drake.
And about scanners, I know about the single cycle scanning.. But if spamming dscan, its still more warning than having a cloaky just uncloak next to you. Im not saying its gonna be safe, Im indeed expecting to die.. Its just that I expect to come out ahead in the isk war.
for a drake, 250ish tank should be more than fine for anything a C1 or C2 can throw at you. i'd keep 3xBCU and 1x SPR in the lows and even put an afterburner in the mids. for C3 anoms, you will need 400ish tank though. |
Tomcio FromFarAway
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:30:00 -
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I think it is overtanked. There are no scramming rats in c1/c2 mags/rads. Neuts are very weak here so active tank is viable and it is always better to have more dps than tank if you cannot be scrammed as you will kill the rats much faster and in case of any problems you can always warpout and rep. Getting around 400dps ( or even 500 ) and still maintaining solid omni tank is doable on drake.
When I was doing it in a drake I used this and it was really effective: highs: 7 hml's lows : 3 bcu's + PDS mids : 4 hardners ( 2x invul's, em, th ) + small shield booster + AB rigs : 3x CCC |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.10 10:39:00 -
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Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:I think it is overtanked. There are no scramming rats in c1/c2 mags/rads. Neuts are very weak here so active tank is viable and it is always better to have more dps than tank if you cannot be scrammed as you will kill the rats much faster and in case of any problems you can always warpout and rep. Getting around 400dps ( or even 500 ) and still maintaining solid omni tank is doable on drake.
When I was doing it in a drake I used this and it was really effective: highs: 7 hml's lows : 3 bcu's + PDS mids : 4 hardners ( 2x invul's, em, th ) + small shield booster + AB rigs : 3x CCC
you could even sport one or two rigor rigs if the cap holds. |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.05.10 12:57:00 -
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Karmu Ivanostrov wrote: ...PS. Another fact I like about Radars/Magnet is that most people would just not bother trying to gank me in a signature, or if they did, Id have the probes warning
I routinely scan down and bookmark everything in a W space system while the inhabitants are off line, only to return later and see if I can catch someone running them... Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:11:00 -
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Dorn Val wrote:Karmu Ivanostrov wrote: ...PS. Another fact I like about Radars/Magnet is that most people would just not bother trying to gank me in a signature, or if they did, Id have the probes warning I routinely scan down and bookmark everything in a W space system while the inhabitants are off line, only to return later and see if I can catch someone running them...
Hehe Im also just starting hunting people in WHs (in a SB) and I do the same (still havent caught anyone yet).. I know Im gonna get jumped and killed... Im just gonna try and earn as much isk as I can before that happens, and hopefully, that will pay the lost ship plus a bit of profit xD |
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:34:00 -
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Unlike k-space, the moola in WH Radars and Mags comes from Sleeper salvage, not the cans. |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
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Posted - 2012.05.10 19:16:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Unlike k-space, the moola in WH Radars and Mags comes from Sleeper salvage, not the cans.
You forget the Caldari Hybrid Tech Decryptor, which comes from WH Radars and is more valuable than Melted Nanoribbons. |
Kelhund
Dracos Dozen Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2012.05.14 03:59:00 -
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Whats the max DPS to expect from these sites? I'm also looking to do the same, but I hate the drake and missles. Wondering if I"d be able to do it in a Brutix or Cane |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:47:00 -
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With a good Drake fit, you are better off doing rads and mags in a C3. Honest, dont't waste yor time on pocket change. |
Hatt0ri Hanz0
Life sucks then you die Ltd.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:32:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:Orlacc wrote:Unlike k-space, the moola in WH Radars and Mags comes from Sleeper salvage, not the cans. You forget the Caldari Hybrid Tech Decryptor, which comes from WH Radars and is more valuable than Melted Nanoribbons.
Unfortunately, that's ONE type of loot, out of all the different types you can get. That said, the other day I did a c2 radar, and got several of each type of decryptors. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:01:00 -
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I know someone who spends hours every day mapping out chains in wormhole space scanning down everything in every system - hes practically ganked a noctis in every single one of those 2500 wormholes if you look back far enough on the kill history :D
If your semi competent at watching dscan and have a reasonable level of awareness for wormhole space tho you should easily pay for your ships several times over before/if you do get ganked - with better drake skills you can move upto C3s and a good salvage haul from just one of those will pay for your ship alone - tho the C3 mags/radars are quite a bit harder than anything else you will find C1-3 (aslong as you kill the scramming frigs tho you should be able to do them solo with only needing to warp out a couple of times. |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:16:00 -
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Seriously, you can take that Drake to any of the c3 rads and mags. Let me know how well do you do |
Karmu Ivanostrov
Ride To Ruin
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:35:00 -
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Aside from the remote repping going on between the sleepers, do they have local active tanks or are they just buffer tanked? If they have active tanks (I asume they do), around how much dps is needed to break such tanks? |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:02:00 -
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They regenerate little by little lika a normal npc. Not much difference in that aspect. Except for the rr ships. Dont remember how is that back in empire. Tho I noticed that, while the neut in a C3 has been corrected in a previous patch, they nerfed down the rr for the sleepers. |
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