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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.15 20:44:00 -
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Edited by: Shun Makoto on 15/05/2009 20:45:04 With the Liberation of low Security Placid almost here what will happen to the Caldari Militia's? There has been talk of helping our Amarrian cousins, others have openly stated that they support the Minmatar even though they are the Allies of our dreaded enemy the Gallente. Personally I am conflicted, at first I felt as if taking the fight to the Minmatar was the right way to go but now I confess I almost feel as if after the last system is wrested from Gallentean clutches that I want to find some solace from this endless fighting.
What say you?
Shun Makoto Caldari Strike Commander
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.15 20:47:00 -
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*Facepalm.*
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Invelious
Amarr Deus Imperiosus Acies
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Posted - 2009.05.15 21:11:00 -
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from the top, 4th news feed down by Amarr Certified News, please listen to the words of our Empress. Hopefully this will help you make the right decision my Caldari Brother.
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.15 23:12:00 -
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The war will not be over once Placid falls, Makoto-haan; the Federation has shown no sign of wanting peace despite their losses. I fear your optimism is misplaced. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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A Soporific
Caldari Elipse Inc. Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.16 00:22:00 -
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There is still Gallente claimed areas of Black Rise. Besides, I would advise against declaring victory until the Federal Militia is unable to field a meaningful fleet. There is still the chance that the Federal Militia might reorganize or develop a new technological edge. *** Wisdom. Justice. Moderation. |
Faranti Centro
Caldari 3M Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.16 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: A Soporific There is still Gallente claimed areas of Black Rise. Besides, I would advise against declaring victory until the Federal Militia is unable to field a meaningful fleet. There is still the chance that the Federal Militia might reorganize or develop a new technological edge.
Would that Technological edge be a pair of Balls ?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.05.16 01:48:00 -
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1 - Stop using the term "liberate" or any derivation there of to describe the success of State forces in Verge Vendor, Essence, or Placid. It is not the appropriate term. Occupied, achieved spacial superiority, possibly even dominance (highly unlikely), secured, or any number of more appropriate terms to describe your success.
2 - Just because you have achieved success to this point does not mean that Federation forces are not working to reverse State spacial superiority in those regions. The war is not won until such a time as the Federation sues for peace. (1)
If you really must pursue warfare on the Amarr-Minmatar front, our allies the Amarr make a logical choice. You can aid the Amarr without leaving the State's militia. (2)
(1) The Federation attempted peace once we had liberated Caldari Prime. Notice the appropriate use of the word liberated, it was our homeworld occupied by someone else. It apparently did not sit well with the Senate, resulting in the capsuleer war you are fighting.
(2) The Amarr are far from our cousins. If anything the Gallente and Intaki are more our cousins than the Amarr. The Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom are political allies and economic trading partners.
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Shun Makoto
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.05.16 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland 1 - Stop using the term "liberate" or any derivation there of to describe the success of State forces in Verge Vendor, Essence, or Placid. It is not the appropriate term. Occupied, achieved spacial superiority, possibly even dominance (highly unlikely), secured, or any number of more appropriate terms to describe your success.
2 - Just because you have achieved success to this point does not mean that Federation forces are not working to reverse State spacial superiority in those regions. The war is not won until such a time as the Federation sues for peace. (1)
If you really must pursue warfare on the Amarr-Minmatar front, our allies the Amarr make a logical choice. You can aid the Amarr without leaving the State's militia. (2)
(1) The Federation attempted peace once we had liberated Caldari Prime. Notice the appropriate use of the word liberated, it was our homeworld occupied by someone else. It apparently did not sit well with the Senate, resulting in the capsuleer war you are fighting.
(2) The Amarr are far from our cousins. If anything the Gallente and Intaki are more our cousins than the Amarr. The Amarr Empire and Khanid Kingdom are political allies and economic trading partners.
When the Federation starts caring about their systems asks for unilateral surrender of what we have "gained" then I will stop using the term Liberate my fellow Caldari.
And need I remind you on your last point that we are as the old histories tell us, descendants from one that came here?
As for my pining for solace after the liberation of Placid, I do so because the current state of the Federation Militia is such that even if two hundred pilots withdrew service they would still not be able to retake their territory.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.05.16 15:08:00 -
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Well the decision is yours to make but some gallente corps like Dark-Rising have joined minmatar militia and thus abandoning gallente space.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.05.16 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shun Makoto When the Federation starts caring about their systems asks for unilateral surrender of what we have "gained" then I will stop using the term Liberate my fellow Caldari.
The Federation caring, or not, is immaterial, pilot.
The only effect of the Caldari occupation is to provide Caldari naval vessels military control of the system's space. That's its space-- not its stations, not its planetary colonies. It's "occupied" ground in the same sense as the ground an army bivouacked in enemy territory pitches its tents on.
Additionally, "liberate" indicates "to set at liberty," to turn loose, to set free. The residents of the occupied systems are currently "liberated" in the sense of any civilian population with a hostile military encamped on its doorstep: they're probably scared stiff. Even if the Caldari Navy has no intention of doing these people any harm, these Gallente citizens are now very probably facing shortages and the constant anxiety that they're going to wake up one morning to the pleasant glow of inbound citadel torpedoes.
Considering the libertarian Gallentean ethic, these people are almost certainly less "free" now than they have been at any time in the last hundred years. They're more under siege than at "liberty," even if there's not a naval vessel within an AU of their homes.
So, pilot, you'll be doing them, us, and yourself a favor if you don't try to apply a propagandist's rosy, empty words to the occupation. It's quite possible to cheer the Protectorate's successes without reaching for such meaningless terms.
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A Soporific
Caldari Elipse Inc. Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.05.16 19:18:00 -
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All we are asking for those of us fighting in the militia to provide a truthful respresentation of what is really going on. We can leave the propoganda and lies to those who have no sense of morality. *** Wisdom. Justice. Moderation. |
Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth Additionally, "liberate" indicates "to set at liberty," to turn loose, to set free. The residents of the occupied systems are currently "liberated" in the sense of any civilian population with a hostile military encamped on its doorstep: they're probably scared stiff. Even if the Caldari Navy has no intention of doing these people any harm, these Gallente citizens are now very probably facing shortages and the constant anxiety that they're going to wake up one morning to the pleasant glow of inbound citadel torpedoes.
Considering the libertarian Gallentean ethic, these people are almost certainly less "free" now than they have been at any time in the last hundred years. They're more under siege than at "liberty," even if there's not a naval vessel within an AU of their homes.
I expect better from you, Aria, than to buy into the Gallente propaganda about "freedom." All the rights in the world don't matter if the government is intentionally keeping your people desperate and dependent. The Intaki, the Mannar, the Jin-Mei -- their cultures are slowly being squeezed out of existence by the Federation government, replaced by the mass-produced, hollow pap that is Gallente pop culture. Perhaps you are right, that the characterization of this as a "liberation" is a stretch at best, but do not make the mistake that our ancestors did when the Gallente first came to Caldari Prime -- they are not benevolent shepherds, but a domineering and abusive parent, always trying to tell the "lesser" races what is best for them, by which they mean whatever is best for the Gallente.
Conditions are certainly not wonderful for those in Caldari-occupied space, but I hope, when all is said and done, that our military victories will give them the chance for the self-determination that they did not have under the Federation's "generous" rule. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Svetlana Scarlet but I hope, when all is said and done, that our military victories will give them the chance for the self-determination that they did not have under the Federation's "generous" rule.
So... "liberate," yes?
Dear gods I think I agree with Dex moreso.
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Svetlana Scarlet
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Svetlana Scarlet on 18/05/2009 17:01:10
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda So... "liberate," yes?
Dear gods I think I agree with Dex moreso.
"Liberation" is a state which remains to be seen. And the final result has a great deal to do with who is in charge when that point comes. The way things stand...I do not know. Recent events have made me more hopeful than I once was, however. So long as the Provists and their idiotic agenda reign, your pessimism seems justified. The continuing war only strengthens them -- if it can be brought to an end, then perhaps cooler heads can prevail for the long term.
True liberation will only be possible when economic opportunity and political stability returns to those areas at the front. Something that is more possible under State protection than Federation membership, I would assert. -- CAPT Svetlana Scarlet CAIN Chief of Diplomatic Staff
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