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Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:33:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:I see ppl all over the place QQing about Goons "griefing" but if you dont get banned/warned for it .... its not griefing. If CCP is cool with it its not griefing.
So Ive asked this a number of times in other threads and never got an answer.
HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players.
EDIT: Typo, Banned
Without the knowledge of any specific situation, I would think CCP distinguishes against general type griefing such as the hulkageddon and other Goon-like activities, and aggressively griefing one person.
If you start getting nasty EVE mails and convo's, people follow you around wherever you go and you get a sense that this is something more than just an in-game feud, common sense would dictate that you have grounds for a petition and the offending party might receive a warning to cease and desist.
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:08:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis.
Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience for our others by taking things too far and violating the policies which they have agreed to uphold. GM Grave | Senior Game Master | Law & Order Group |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:50:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis. Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience of others by taking things too far and violating the policies which each player has agreed to uphold.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Those policies that have been very easy to avoid as explained by the posts in the thread so far? You HAVE to see that this is a very hard thing to pin down in this game. I mean Hulkageddon looks like it to the miners, especially now that its lasting a month/months but as we saw earlier that doesnt count cause its not ont griefing one guy for no reason. Its everyone killing miners for monetary gain not just for the ganker's fun.
Im not trying to question your ruling, its just pretty much everything that looks like griefing, even if it follows the definition above usually isnt if you can talk fast. "I dis it for the lulz" becomes "I did it to get their cargo" is confronted by a GM. Stuff like that. A suggestion would be a less arbitrary rule. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:21:00 -
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"Grief is good"
- The griefing Gecko.
It's all good if it is within the meant game mechanics, right? Then events like Hulkageddon, burn Jita and whatnot else are perfectly fine.
Concord isn't there to provide total immunity for those in high-sec after all.
Now, picking on a single player (or perhaps even a small group of players - grey zone?) for the sheer heck of it without any real goal or purpose is not griefing anymore. That's harassment. Though the big question remains: would it still be harassment if the target happened to be flying the most expensively fit ship you've ever seen, regardless of whether the end goal is to blow up said ship or not? |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:37:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis. Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience of others by taking things too far and violating the policies which each player has agreed to uphold.
I'd love to hear an example.
I thought Eve Online was all about griefing! |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
18
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:55:00 -
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Zombie Corp got banned for griefing Tank CEO got banned to. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:24:00 -
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While EVE Online is a universe in which you can rob a corp hanger, scam a market order , suicide gank or declare CONCORD sanctioned war on pretty much anyone. Some people still feel the need to take things further and go off the deep end, one example being when **** ** *** ******** ****** ** **** *** *********** ******** ********* ** ******** ******* ****** ****, and then of course CCP opened a can of whoopass and taught those perps a lesson. GM Grave | Senior Game Master | Law & Order Group |
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:32:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Im not trying to question your ruling, its just pretty much everything that looks like griefing, even if it follows the definition above usually isnt if you can talk fast. "I dis it for the lulz" becomes "I did it to get their cargo" is confronted by a GM. Stuff like that. A suggestion would be a less arbitrary rule.
Not that it'll go anywhere, but in the case of Hulkageddon I don't think the actual gankers would be in violation of the rule as written, they can claim they're doing it for prizes.
However, it seems like the people paying to have miners ganked for the lulz and not profits might be covered. But obviously they're not. I wonder about the hypothetical situation where someone sponsored a program to have a particular individual ganked "for the lulz", would that be covered?
In that case, you'd just have to write the contract spec specifically enough and you'd still be in compliance. Or so it would seem. |
Icycle
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:47:00 -
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GM Grave wrote: Some people still feel the need to take things further and go off the deep end, one example being when **** ** *** ******** ****** ** **** *** *********** ******** ********* ** ******** ******* ****** ****, and then of course CCP opened a can of whoopass and taught those perps a lesson.
wait a minute let me get the translator for this
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
830
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:48:00 -
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Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
12
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
Cleary sandbox games are not for you. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Pourin' one out for pubbies everywhere. |
Cadence Redwood
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
1 Down.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
830
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you.
Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP.
You guys are right. It's a PvP game.
Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3093
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. voted 5 |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:56:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
" Oh no smackposting shouldn't have consequences. We're all free to sperge on the internet and no one is allowed to take action because of it. " |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:57:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
another one bites the dust~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Oh, dear.
So basically you decide to attack Goonswarm on the forums with an endless litany of baseless accusations, because you think they won't bother with you, despite your "come at me bro" posts - and when they attack you in-game for these actions, its "unfair" and "Goons online?"
Sir, that is a very balanced argument and is in no manner self serving at all. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
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U mad bro? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1638
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
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Mittani was banned...he was greifing IN EVE while OUT of EVE but at the same time while AT EVE. That takes talent. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
833
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
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Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Eve Orwell
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:59:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do.
A game can be a sandbox game while still having pvp. They arent mutually exclusive traits |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1240
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
Can you post some of the letters? I'd appreciate it, tia~
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:01:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
culling the herd
this game has had plenty of ways of weeding out the bads which would be here regardless of whether we played or otherwise "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sara Rae
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:03:00 -
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Please tell us more . |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:03:00 -
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Loudmouths usually doesn't have it anywhere other than in the mouth.
(our donges) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1638
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:05:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. The bigger Goonswarm gets, the harder it will fall. Seriously...it is only a matter of time. They will **** off enough people and eventually **** off the wrong people and they WILL fall. Just like the NC did before them and just like BoB did before that. The trick is to find a group of people to hang with that can help you accomplish what you want in the meantime. Don't like Goonswarm? Fine...go live in the south and help those guys out or go to WH space. If what you are worried about is Goonswarm and their little Singe Jita event, then you need to realize that it isn't Goons doing that...its the game doing that. Goons are just taking more advantage of the sandbox than others. They aren't the only ones either. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:06:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
(25/10058)*100 = 0.25%
So what you're saying is CCP should side with the 0.25% on this and the 99.75% who act the other way should somehow be acted on?
Mkay. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:08:00 -
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Also, if you substitute "goons" with "BoB" then all of these arguments have happened before.
Somehow, the game just keeps on without your ilk. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:08:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. The bigger Goonswarm gets, the harder it will fall. Seriously...it is only a matter of time. They will **** off enough people and eventually **** off the wrong people and they WILL fall. Just like the NC did before them and just like BoB did before that. The trick is to find a group of people to hang with that can help you accomplish what you want in the meantime. Don't like Goonswarm? Fine...go live in the south and help those guys out or go to WH space. If what you are worried about is Goonswarm and their little Singe Jita event, then you need to realize that it isn't Goons doing that...its the game doing that. Goons are just taking more advantage of the sandbox than others. They aren't the only ones either.
We'll collapse. It's inevitable. It's just more likely to happen from our own incompetence than someone actually doing anything. |
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