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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:04:00 -
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I see ppl all over the place QQing about Goons "griefing" but if you dont get banned/warned for it .... its not griefing. If CCP is cool with it its not griefing.
So Ive asked this a number of times in other threads and never got an answer.
HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
410
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:15:00 -
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It does happen |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
1582
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:16:00 -
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I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:20:00 -
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mxzf wrote:I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned.
Yeah this is what Im saying. Im just curious if its ever even happened cause if not, then there really ISNT a griefing rule lol
A rule thats never enforced isnt any kind of actual rule or deterrant.
And the 23/7 bit is why the really hardcore miners QQ about hulkageddon I think. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Treasures Collectors Solar Citizens
243
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:21:00 -
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Remind me why mittens was banned |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
634
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:29:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned Advocating griefing. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Joe Skellington
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
59
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:30:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:43:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
wait wasnt that out of game?
Oh yeah it was... kinda why I didnt add him... well that and all the ppl QQing to let that lie well that and it wasnt technically JUST in game griefing... it was out of game cyberbullying or cyberstalking
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
356
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:43:00 -
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If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:47:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot.
So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree.
Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule.
It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
50
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Posted - 2012.05.10 15:57:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree. Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule. It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows.
If burn Jita involved just shooting the same person over and over for an entire weekend, then I might could see your point. But see, if you consider Burn Jita to be griefing, then you'd also have to consider station camping to be griefing as well and then it's just a slippery slope to all pvping being griefing. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
410
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:03:00 -
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This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't. If you believe somebody is doing something that you consider as griefing file a petition on it and let those who made the rules decide if it falls in the realm of grief play.
Burn Jita was not considered griefing. They gave players ample warning and announcements were even made in the system before the event started. The people in those freighters during the event knew what was outside of that dock. They did not target anyone in particular and they only kept it up for the duration that they had stated they would. |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:33:00 -
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All I can say is "good grief" |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
458
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Posted - 2012.05.10 16:41:00 -
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The only name that springs to mind from my looking into EVE history is Ginger Magician, a name a few older players will recognise will recognise. More threatening RL harm than in game griefing, but close enough. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
425
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Posted - 2012.05.10 17:52:00 -
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Griefing is a definition they added to the EULA, but there is no clear definition as to what griefing is.
So the application of punishment for griefing is something which rarely get's used because of the character of EVE. In EVE a lot of things that would get you in a world of trouble in most games or will certainly get you in a world of trouble in real life are in EVE valid game mechanics.
CCP has made it so that the most anti social behaviour is actually encouraged and promoted as part of the whole gaming experience. So expect it all to go very very far before a GM or Dev will burn his fingers and ban someone actually for griefing.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
725
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:33:00 -
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Good luck with a definition. CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
172
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Posted - 2012.05.10 18:38:00 -
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The only time I have heard of is repeated violation of the griefing in new player systems. Doing so once will get you a warning and not any more please. More than that, well that can do it. Is about the only way as far as I can tell. Also direct targeting of a player in game for personal, non game reasons can as well. |
Boomhaur
46
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:56:00 -
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Yeah people get banned just that our definition of griefing is a lot more relax than say WoW. In WoW if I attack you I would probably be labled a griefer, if I scam you I am a griefer, if I sneeze on you I am a griefer. In Eve we can do just about anything we want along if we can keep it in game and within the game mechanics, minus a few things here and there and were fine |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1106
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Posted - 2012.05.10 23:59:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
getting drunk and saying silly meta things on stage that his enemies could use against him
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
827
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:10:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary.
If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:12:00 -
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mxzf wrote:I'm sure that there have been people banned for griefing. However, 99.99999999999999999% of the people who are supposedly 'griefing' are simply playing the game within the bounds of the system and just doing something someone else dislikes.
The main thing is that there's a line between playing the game and making it personal. Gank a guy a few times for tears, that's fine. Spend three months hunting him 24/7 and make it impossible for him to play the game at all, that's griefing and might get you banned.
..just 3 months? ..for a might? Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Mars Theran
EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
193
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:15:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Gorki Andropov wrote:If there's a tangible ingame motivation for the aforesaid 'griefing' (ISK, KMs, what have you), the rule of thumb appears to be that it's not griefing. If, however, (for example) you are bumping someone for an hour continuously for 'teh lulz' (i.e., no real reason why you're doing it other than to bother and annoy), then anecdotal evidence suggests that you will be taken aside and shot. So then Burn Jita and the suicide gankers that do it for "teh luls" not for the money are guilty? CCP seems to disagree. Thats kinda the point here. There doesnt seem to BE a "hard and steady" rule. It took EVEN Mittens to make a drunken announcement on essentially live TV and a Eurogamer article comprised largely of lies and that catching on with everyone in the gaming news to eve n GET banned and thats even IF there actually WAS any griefing done, which noone still knows.
Don't let them fool you, it's for the ISK. The after effects of Burn Jita are still playing out and I'm sure the Goons and many more will be making ISK off that for months yet. There is also ulaterior motivation there, but while luls are good, they are not it and are actually just an added bonus. Alliance Auction - EVE Rogues: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1215438#post1215438 |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:45:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't.
Firstly, I like it when I know if my actions would get me banned before I do them Secondly I like having hard, written rules for what is and isnt gonna GET me banned
Markus Reese wrote:The only time I have heard of is repeated violation of the griefing in new player systems. Doing so once will get you a warning and not any more please. More than that, well that can do it. Is about the only way as far as I can tell. Also direct targeting of a player in game for personal, non game reasons can as well.
Quote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players.
Yeah I noted that in the OP http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:49:00 -
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Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'.
Define interesting
Hoban Washburne wrote:Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die?
Had to lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Andrey Wartooth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game?
Who the hell is Vince Snetterson? |
gfldex
500
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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I know a few players how got warnings for grief play but heard about anybody who got banned. The warnings might do the trick.
Insults and RL threats are a different matter who. Got a few not so confident individuals banned for that myself.
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
HyperZerg
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
9
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Posted - 2012.05.11 00:54:00 -
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If you "grief" random people ingame it should be fine.
But, if you pick someone for an out of game reason, like your ex-wife for example and let's say gank her in highsec all the time for no in-game reason I guess you have some chances to get banned.
But not sure, I don't grief that much :P |
Styx Sertan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:48:00 -
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What is your definition of griefing?
Solo suicide ganking? Suicide Ganking in general? War-deccing and Reinforcing/killing POS? Camping the same wardecs in stations and causing area denial? Ransoming someone's Reinforced POS? Sending someone a ransom letter for said POS? Taunting Wardecs? Wardecing enemies of the state? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 01:50:00 -
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Andrey Wartooth wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? Who the hell is Vince Snetterson?
a failed quote appartently -.- http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:17:00 -
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I mean, if you want to read something hilarious;
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this.
Who am I kidding, 75% or more lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:18:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: CCP's sense of justice can be somewhat arbitrary. If applied to RL, that would make things 'interesting'. Define interesting Hoban Washburne wrote:Oh God, Oh God, we're all gonna die? Had to lol Quote:Banned for griefing??? You must be joking.
I keep seeing the argument Goons/Helicity should be banned for griefing but if neever ever has then there effectively IS NO rule thats ever enforced FOR that so you CANT even if tit wasnt dumb so what else has Soundwave done thats pissed you off? Changing Datacores will hardly destroy highsec
You are correct, trashing the datacore mechanic, primarily a high sec mechanic, will not cause high sec to die. But let's add that to the other Soundwave gems, and these are just the recent ones:
1. Wipe out meta 0 drops. Extremely few stop to salvage in null sec. I used to run Sanctums in null pre nerf and Havens post nerf. NO ONE salvaged unless it as a faction rat. You slow down your ISK stream in null if you salvage. So that was a direct attack on high sec income. And please don't bring up that chestnut "but now meta 0 items can be mfg'ed for greater profit". Sorry, I used to run both indy chars and mission runners. (Indy accounts being shut down over the next few weeks as the plexes lapse out on them). The ISK I made from meta 0 drops far, far outweighed the profits from buying the mins and then mfg the items.
2. The obliteration of incursion income, once again the vast majority coming from high sec. I am looking forward to the end of May numbers for income from the CCP tweet feed. Then again, I would not be surprised if those numbers are "unavailable". The ultimate set of numbers which I have yet to see is a breakdown of ISK injected into the game, not by type of activity, but but by type of sec zone. That set of numbers would be far more telling.
3. How about reaching back a bit further to the release of the Tornado and the buff of the Catalyst. I have to be careful on this one. I am not positive the ex-goon (possibly current goon) lead dev is responsible for the design of those ships, but they were released on his watch. Remember all the high sec gankers rejoicing at the stats on them back then? Guess that has come home to roost.
No, I have no reason to hate Soundwave, none at all. It is only my imagination that he is waging a campaign to wipe out high sec. Why grief individual pilots when you can destroy the enjoyment of the game for thousands at one time? It is of course also my imagination that his actions precisely align with the wish list of the null sec zealot element within the game and within CCP.
goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
928
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:20:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
For cyber bullying.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:28:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:
You are correct, trashing the datacore mechanic, primarily a high sec mechanic, will not cause high sec to die. But let's add that to the other Soundwave gems, and these are just the recent ones:
1. Wipe out meta 0 drops. Extremely few stop to salvage in null sec. I used to run Sanctums in null pre nerf and Havens post nerf. NO ONE salvaged unless it as a faction rat. You slow down your ISK stream in null if you salvage. So that was a direct attack on high sec income. And please don't bring up that chestnut "but now meta 0 items can be mfg'ed for greater profit". Sorry, I used to run both indy chars and mission runners. (Indy accounts being shut down over the next few weeks as the plexes lapse out on them). The ISK I made from meta 0 drops far, far outweighed the profits from buying the mins and then mfg the items.
Ive made more salvaging in high sec since this change (I think, I dont have hard data). Mostly with target painters and smart bombs lol
Quote: 2. The obliteration of incursion income, once again the vast majority coming from high sec.
What "obliteration" is this? 10%? I saw all the "omg you killed Incursions" threads on the forums, posted here an there myself, then I logged on the game and asked ppl I know that run incursuions and they had no idea at all what I was talking about when I was saying theyd died. "Yeah you only make about 95 mil/hour now, not THAT big a deal." Hardly what Id call "obliteration."
Quote: 3. How about reaching back a bit further to the release of the Tornado and the buff of the Catalyst. I have to be careful on this one. I am not positive the ex-goon (possibly current goon) lead dev is responsible for the design of those ships, but they were released on his watch. Remember all the high sec gankers rejoicing at the stats on them back then? Guess that has come home to roost.
Yeah and then they removed insurance payouts but then as they say" it wasnt about the insurance" so I guess they didnt care, but yeah they definately made the gankers stronger. Its funny when CCP tweaks CONCORD's response time to see the screaming and gnashing of teeth on the forums lol
Quote: No, I have no reason to hate Soundwave, none at all. It is only my imagination that he is waging a campaign to wipe out high sec. Why grief individual pilots when you can destroy the enjoyment of the game for thousands at one time? It is of course also my imagination that his actions precisely align with the wish list of the null sec zealot element within the game and within CCP.
yea... zealot... thats the word.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
863
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:37:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned
Because a bunch of shitheads from the forums tried to ruin the Sony/CCP partnership using half true (and blatantly false) news articles posted by bloggers who have an agenda against The Mittani.
Next question? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6578
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:40:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:When the lead dev, who is definitely ex-goon, possibly current goon, can obliterate high sec, and keep his job, you think CCP cares about griefing players in-game? Good thing he's not doing that, then. Instead, he's giving back a purpose to mining and low-end manufacturing; balancing incursion sites; buffs ships that have gone unused for a very long time; and add new ships that offer new tactics and fleet compositions.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this. All of them fall down on the GÇ£much of his timeGÇ¥ part, and most of them fall on the GÇ£does not profitGÇ¥ point as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
179
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:41:00 -
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1. It is mathematically impossible to make more now salvaging. The meta zero items were replaced with a single piece of scrap metal. The other drop rates (meta 1 and above) were supposedly NOT altered. CCP posted that in the dev blogs.
2. Don't know who you have spoken with re: Incursions, but jump into THe Ditanian Fleet channel, and ask around. It was not the 10% nerf to payouts, but the necessity to kill everything and the randomization of the spawns. Max is now 60M/ hour, IF you are in a totally superb fleet, with zero competition in system. Most people are making 70% of that, about the same as someone flying a faction fitted Marauder in L4's.
BTW, DT fleet channel topped out at over 500 on weekends. NOW have a look at it. Most time, it is difficult to get into a fleet in that channel due to a lack of critical mass of pilots. Further, Tuxford of CCP used to tweet that Incursions injected 9 billion / month into the economy. Let's see what the end of May numbers show.
3. The ganking issue has been done to death, and the failed laywer's sociopaths demonstrated the power of the suicide gank ship 2 weekends ago, and continue with their sponsorship of hulkageddon.
All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave, an ex-goon who is clearly the symbol of game balance and someone who espouses enjoyment for all styles of game play. goons: "We don't want to ruin THE game, just YOUR game". ex-goon Soundwave: "I don't want to ruin THE game, just the game you THINK you should be playing." |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6578
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Posted - 2012.05.11 02:44:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave Actually, most of it was brought to you by the fertile minds of the forumgoers, since they've been lobbying for these things since roughly forever.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:****, by that ruling half the ppl in the game, Goons for one and anyone that suicide ganks "for the lulz" or to "collect tears" or hell, even "to combat botters" is in violation of this. All of them fall down on the GÇ£much of his timeGÇ¥ part, and most of them fall on the GÇ£does not profitGÇ¥ point as well.
Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:12:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:1. It is mathematically impossible to make more now salvaging. The meta zero items were replaced with a single piece of scrap metal. The other drop rates (meta 1 and above) were supposedly NOT altered. CCP posted that in the dev blogs.
Well I could be wrong of course, but Im seeing a lot more things selling for a million plus isks SINCE the change than BEFORE. Thats why I say I dont have any hard facts, its just what I think.
Quote: 2. Don't know who you have spoken with re: Incursions, but jump into THe Ditanian Fleet channel, and ask around. It was not the 10% nerf to payouts, but the necessity to kill everything and the randomization of the spawns. Max is now 60M/ hour, IF you are in a totally superb fleet, with zero competition in system. Most people are making 70% of that, about the same as someone flying a faction fitted Marauder in L4's.
BTW, DT fleet channel topped out at over 500 on weekends. NOW have a look at it. Most time, it is difficult to get into a fleet in that channel due to a lack of critical mass of pilots. Further, Tuxford of CCP used to tweet that Incursions injected 9 billion / month into the economy. Let's see what the end of May numbers show.
(thats a good thing. You think the isk devaluing and inflation we've been seeing was from something Soundwave did (I ask that cause everything else seems to be his fault)? NO. Its the BILLIONS Incursions were DUMPING into the game. I think CCP made them for the idea of a PVE social event for ppl to do together (there arent a lot of those that Ive seen other than PVP), for a limited time. NOT a permanent farming grounds to **** Isks into the game. It was a neat idea they came up with that we perverted into a MASSIVE isk fountain
Yeah I only know three people doing it, and theyre low end skill level wise but their payouts keep telling me its 95 mil not 60 mil and youll excuse if Im not gonna drop their names on EVE-O without asking them first.
Quote: 3. The ganking issue has been done to death, and the failed laywer's sociopaths demonstrated the power of the suicide gank ship 2 weekends ago, and continue with their sponsorship of hulkageddon.
Ya, I only remarked on it cause you brought it up. If you hadnt wanted to you shouldnt have lol
Quote: All this brought to you from the fertile mind of CCP Soundwave, an ex-goon who is clearly the symbol of game balance and someone who espouses enjoyment for all styles of game play.
The only style of game play Ive seen him impact is the isk farmers. The one that worries me really is the "you shouldnt mine with guns" which makes me think they may remove item drops from rats/missions and that would annoy me
lol im arguing like Tippia (in format not quality)
Tippia wrote: (which was a waste of time compared to blitzing anyway)
I build rigs so I salvage with an alt anyways. not always to sell, plus, I garbage compactor most of the mods to get minerals when I cant mine. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:27:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing.
Quote:lol im arguing like Tippia (in format not quality) This is a good thing (the format, not the quality). It keeps the points being and their respective counter-arguments separate and easier to follow compared to when it's just a big blob quote and then a response relating to godknowswhat in that quote.
Quote:I build rigs so I salvage with an alt anyways. not always to sell, plus, I garbage compactor most of the mods to get minerals when I cant mine. Sure. What I'm getting at is that, if you're doing it for the money rather than for justGǪ I don't knowGǪ playing around and doing a bunch of stuff you enjoy and which your character can do, then stopping to loot and salvage is actually a losing proposition. Don't get me wrong GÇö I do the same as you GÇö but I'm also aware that I could make more money if I did it differently. Since Vince's argument here was one of making money, I'm just pointing out that if he falls into the maximise-money camp, the loot changes makes zero difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 03:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing.
Hm.. maybe I cant get it across the way I want to...
ah maybe like this
Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me.
Dunno if that helps. I DEFINATELY dont look at EVE like any other game lol "wretched hive of scum and villany" and all and we revel in it. That makes the game better imo. The question was mostly curiosity than anything lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6579
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:01:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me. Well, for one, a single event is no event. Yes, he will probably have a chance to answer and the GMs will look at what he actually did, but what the two parties say in that single instance is probably of superbly minute importance. In this case in particular, the fact that I have to ask him rather absolves him from any kind of griefing, since he's not really trying to get a rise out of me. Even if he doesn't loot, it's still not much of an indication because he can still be doing it as part of a contract, as part of some area denial, as plain old killboard whoringGǪ or any number of GǣprofitsGǥ that go beyond simple ISK.
What matters is what the ganker does the next time, and the next time, and the next time (etc). Does he keep blowing people up and nothing else? Does he keep evemailing them, opening chats with them and taunting them in local? Pretty much all griefing in EVE will be on the very edge (if not necessarily always coinciding with) some kind of harassment. Blowing me up this once, even just because he was bored out of his skull and couldn't take it any more still doesn't make it griefing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:04:00 -
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Outgame reasons to gank someone over and over can easy be made into ingame reasons. Is it griefing then or a valid gametactic toput tremendous pressure on your target?
I recall I have used alts and sometimes my main to get pressure on certain people for a prolonged period of time. Some of them left the game because the pressure just never seemed to stop, others are currently still feeling safe untill the trap snaps. I do this by calling in favours handing out favours or hiring in certain people who love certain styles of gameplay.
Does this make me a griefer if my action comes from valid and solid ingame actions and / or reactions?
I for one can carry a grudge for a very long time but I can also wait patiently for a plan to slowly to unfold I am patient when it comes to planning things and I don't need to use this account to get certain things done. Some things require a lot of planning and patience. Others require a prolonged period of pressure which might seem like griefing.
So once again, what exactly is griefing and what is valid gameplay. Comming with definitions you pull off of some website might look cute for internet lawyers, but they hold very little substenance for EVE. As long as CCP doesn't define exactly what they see as griefing and what as valid gameplay you will always be at the mercy of a GM's personal interpretation. This might be influenced aswel by how they frown upon you or the group you belong to. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:06:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Dude ganks you, you ask why (its stupid to message them I know they love that but ppl do it, I dont get it but w/e its just an example), they say "for the lulz" You report them, does the GM go after them or does he then have the option to talk to the GM and go "I did it for the stuff he dropped" or if the GM sees he looted you, etc.
He said he did it "for the lulz." Hell he may even thing he DID do it "for the lulz", but as far as the GM (hence that rule) in concerned, he didnt, which is why the rule comes off as nonsense to me. Well, for one, a single event is no event. Yes, he will probably have a chance to answer and the GMs will look at what he actually did, but what the two parties say in that single instance is probably of superbly minute importance. In this case in particular, the fact that I have to ask him rather absolves him from any kind of griefing, since he's not really trying to get a rise out of me. Even if he doesn't loot, it's still not much of an indication because he can still be doing it as part of a contract, as part of some area denial, as plain old killboard whoringGǪ or any number of GǣprofitsGǥ that go beyond simple ISK. What matters is what the ganker does the next time, and the next time, and the next time (etc). Does he keep blowing people up and nothing else? Does he keep evemailing them, opening chats with them and taunting them in local? Pretty much all griefing in EVE will be on the very edge (if not necessarily always coinciding with) some kind of harassment. Blowing me up this once, even just because he was bored out of his skull and couldn't take it any more still doesn't make it griefing.
lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain.
So what about that Goon Death Squad thing? Looking for specific people to kill over an over an over an over but Id assume theyd be smart enough not to do it to the same guy over an over so yea nvm lol
An yeah I get the whole "dont be a **** an do it in the starter systems we'd like the new ppl to want to stay" lol
Killer Gandry wrote: Comming with definitions you pull off of some website might look cute for internet lawyers, but they hold very little substenance for EVE.
....look at the link......
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336
Ill help
support dot EVEONLINE dot com
yea.... http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:17:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing. Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ...
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:17:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Look at the bolded out and underlined part:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
As soon as they added "At our discretion" they added the confusion about who and what decides what and when.
I am fairly certain I can create a situation which one GM would ban me for, another would warn me and a third would say " Well played and within the rules" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6580
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:28:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain. Yup. Welcome to EVE.
Mining in particular is always an iffy area since it can always be traced back to resource denial and market manipulation GÇö two huge profit items.
Quote:So what about that Goon Death Squad thing? Largely seems to fall under the category of GÇ£standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) playersGÇ¥. The death squad thing just says they won't necessarily be able to use war avoidance techniques to get away from it. It's not for the lulz or to derive enjoyment from making people's lives miserable GÇö it's for GÇ£the STFUsGÇ¥ and part and parcel of the EVE political environment.
Alavaria Fera wrote:Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ... Yup. At this point, there might be more of case of actual griefing, but it would still be a question of how they behave whenever you're not in that Hulk. It could just be those other miners in the belt that have hired someone to get rid of youGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:29:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Well thats what Im saying. There effectively IS NO rule, why the hell even waste the space given that they cant even enforce it Sure there is. It's just that most people aren't actually griefers because they're in it for something else. The GÇ£no ruleGÇ¥ thing is just the perception of those who assume that EVE will be like other games where blowing people up for no outwardly apparent reason counts as griefing. Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ...
OR looting you, and then bumping you out of lazer range when not blowing you up
yeah I get it it DOES exist but you have to go monumentally out of the way to do it lol
Killer Gandry wrote:
As soon as they added "At our discretion" they added the confusion about who and what decides what and when.
I am fairly certain I can create a situation which one GM would ban me for, another would warn me and a third would say " Well played and within the rules"
Which is straight dumb imo. The fuzzy nature of the rules in this game need to be clarified. There shouldnt BE situations where one guy says youre good and the other guy permabans you. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:lol that kills like every miner's qq for getting ganked pretty much ever right there. You dont her them bitching cause one guy is killing them over an over but cause everyone is which is why nothing will ever BE done cause its not the same guy AND theres a monetary gain. Yup. Welcome to EVE. Mining in particular is always an iffy area since it can always be traced back to resource denial and market manipulation GÇö two huge profit items.
lol you should take the first part of that and copy paste it every time you see a miner qqing lol
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
664
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:39:00 -
[51] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Hilariously, it would be like if a tornado blew up your hulk (outside hulkageddon of course), and proceeded to do so to you every day for a week but never touching the other three hulks in the same belt ... Yup. At this point, there might be more of case of actual griefing, but it would still be a question of how they behave whenever you're not in that Hulk. It could just be those other miners in the belt that have hired someone to get rid of youGǪ Nah, I was actually thinking of an actual miner's alt doing it. It's very fast to train a tornado alt after all.
I only bring this up, because I think someone mentioned doing it after some "newcomers" tried to mine out "their" system. Haha. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
412
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Posted - 2012.05.11 04:55:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:This is why it's better to leave it to the professionals to decide what constitutes as griefing and what isn't. Firstly, I like it when I know if my actions would get me banned before I do them
When in doubt, petition. If you ask 50 people a question you will receive 50 different answers and you will be no closer than where you were before you asked. If you ask the people who make the rules not only will you receive a clear answer, you will have documentation that you can fall on in case somebody does call you on it.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Secondly I like having hard, written rules for what is and isnt gonna GET me banned
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:00:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
Like how POS Bowling wasnt till a lotta ppl used it lol
I was hoping FOR a clarification. Like the guy that asked for a clarification on the starter system rules and got like 5 Dev replies http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:04:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote:
You set yourself up to be disappointed then. Rules change all the time. Players are always finding new and fascinating ways to bend the rules, ways that the company may not have foreseen. It is then up to the company to decide if it should be allowed or not. 2 examples would be boomerang and dec shield. Up until recently dec shield was considered an exploit, and now its not. Up until recently people were pulling a boomerang, and now they can't. Asking here is like the blind leading the blind through the maze.
Like how POS Bowling wasnt till a lotta ppl used it lol I was hoping FOR a clarification. Like the guy that asked for a clarification on the starter system rules and got like 5 Dev replies
I hope you took note that he was very specific in what he asked for. Are you looking for clarification of what is and isn't an exploit for this week? |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:24:00 -
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I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.05.11 05:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
derail to fail Something Awful propaganda 101
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Generic GOON'tard UmadbroUMAD
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 06:04:00 -
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Sisohiv wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:I thought the discussion was about griefing and not exploiting.
derail to fail Something Awful propaganda 101
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Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
672
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Posted - 2012.05.11 06:28:00 -
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I dont know anyone who has been banned for it but i have seen and heard about it.
When i was a few weeks old a gang of dedicated griefers told me that they would wardec me until i gave up playing the game. It lasted for over a month and i was getting emails for over a year.
I know a guy who would not let someone else out of a station for 2 months over some suposed insult and another guy who just liked to pick people and then grief them out of the game.
It does happen and it happens more than people think I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 07:36:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:I dont know anyone who has been banned for it but i have seen and heard about it.
When i was a few weeks old a gang of dedicated griefers told me that they would wardec me until i gave up playing the game. It lasted for over a month and i was getting emails for over a year.
I know a guy who would not let someone else out of a station for 2 months over some suposed insult and another guy who just liked to pick people and then grief them out of the game.
It does happen and it happens more than people think
And things like that should be reported... were they and were they blown off? http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
358
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Xython wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Remind me why mittens was banned Because a bunch of shitheads from the forums tried to ruin the Sony/CCP partnership using half true (and blatantly false) news articles posted by bloggers who have an agenda against The Mittani. Next question?
You sound mad, bro. I'd suggest not getting your panties in a twist for an easier lifestyle. |
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Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
93
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Posted - 2012.05.11 08:33:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:I see ppl all over the place QQing about Goons "griefing" but if you dont get banned/warned for it .... its not griefing. If CCP is cool with it its not griefing.
So Ive asked this a number of times in other threads and never got an answer.
HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing? Not talking in newbie systems, thats a special case cause CCP likes retaining new players.
EDIT: Typo, Banned
Without the knowledge of any specific situation, I would think CCP distinguishes against general type griefing such as the hulkageddon and other Goon-like activities, and aggressively griefing one person.
If you start getting nasty EVE mails and convo's, people follow you around wherever you go and you get a sense that this is something more than just an in-game feud, common sense would dictate that you have grounds for a petition and the offending party might receive a warning to cease and desist.
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:08:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis.
Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience for our others by taking things too far and violating the policies which they have agreed to uphold. GM Grave | Senior Game Master | Law & Order Group |
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Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.05.11 10:50:00 -
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GM Grave wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis. Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience of others by taking things too far and violating the policies which each player has agreed to uphold.
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336Quote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.
Those policies that have been very easy to avoid as explained by the posts in the thread so far? You HAVE to see that this is a very hard thing to pin down in this game. I mean Hulkageddon looks like it to the miners, especially now that its lasting a month/months but as we saw earlier that doesnt count cause its not ont griefing one guy for no reason. Its everyone killing miners for monetary gain not just for the ganker's fun.
Im not trying to question your ruling, its just pretty much everything that looks like griefing, even if it follows the definition above usually isnt if you can talk fast. "I dis it for the lulz" becomes "I did it to get their cargo" is confronted by a GM. Stuff like that. A suggestion would be a less arbitrary rule. http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:21:00 -
[64] - Quote
"Grief is good"
- The griefing Gecko.
It's all good if it is within the meant game mechanics, right? Then events like Hulkageddon, burn Jita and whatnot else are perfectly fine.
Concord isn't there to provide total immunity for those in high-sec after all.
Now, picking on a single player (or perhaps even a small group of players - grey zone?) for the sheer heck of it without any real goal or purpose is not griefing anymore. That's harassment. Though the big question remains: would it still be harassment if the target happened to be flying the most expensively fit ship you've ever seen, regardless of whether the end goal is to blow up said ship or not? |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
31
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:HAS anyone ever gotten banned from the game for in game griefing?
We have indeed banned players for griefing, however we judge petitions on a case by case basis, and while lighter offences may receive an official warning, should even these lighter offences stack up on an a players accounts then they would find themselves receiving stronger measures such as temporary bans and in cases were people prove continually disruptive we do remove them from the game on a permanent basis. Simply speaking, at the end of the day we're all paying good money/ISK to play EVE Online together, and CCP will not tolerate those who choose to ruin the experience of others by taking things too far and violating the policies which each player has agreed to uphold.
I'd love to hear an example.
I thought Eve Online was all about griefing! |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
18
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Posted - 2012.05.11 11:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Zombie Corp got banned for griefing Tank CEO got banned to. |
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GM Grave
Game Masters C C P Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:24:00 -
[67] - Quote
While EVE Online is a universe in which you can rob a corp hanger, scam a market order , suicide gank or declare CONCORD sanctioned war on pretty much anyone. Some people still feel the need to take things further and go off the deep end, one example being when **** ** *** ******** ****** ** **** *** *********** ******** ********* ** ******** ******* ****** ****, and then of course CCP opened a can of whoopass and taught those perps a lesson. GM Grave | Senior Game Master | Law & Order Group |
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:32:00 -
[68] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Im not trying to question your ruling, its just pretty much everything that looks like griefing, even if it follows the definition above usually isnt if you can talk fast. "I dis it for the lulz" becomes "I did it to get their cargo" is confronted by a GM. Stuff like that. A suggestion would be a less arbitrary rule.
Not that it'll go anywhere, but in the case of Hulkageddon I don't think the actual gankers would be in violation of the rule as written, they can claim they're doing it for prizes.
However, it seems like the people paying to have miners ganked for the lulz and not profits might be covered. But obviously they're not. I wonder about the hypothetical situation where someone sponsored a program to have a particular individual ganked "for the lulz", would that be covered?
In that case, you'd just have to write the contract spec specifically enough and you'd still be in compliance. Or so it would seem. |
Icycle
Eclipse Industrials Quantum Forge
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
GM Grave wrote: Some people still feel the need to take things further and go off the deep end, one example being when **** ** *** ******** ****** ** **** *** *********** ******** ********* ** ******** ******* ****** ****, and then of course CCP opened a can of whoopass and taught those perps a lesson.
wait a minute let me get the translator for this
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
830
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:48:00 -
[70] - Quote
Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
12
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:52:00 -
[71] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
Cleary sandbox games are not for you. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Pourin' one out for pubbies everywhere. |
Cadence Redwood
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
[73] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
1 Down.
~10,058 |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
830
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
[74] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you.
Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP.
You guys are right. It's a PvP game.
Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3093
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. voted 5 |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:56:00 -
[76] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
" Oh no smackposting shouldn't have consequences. We're all free to sperge on the internet and no one is allowed to take action because of it. " |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:57:00 -
[77] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online.
another one bites the dust~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Oh, dear.
So basically you decide to attack Goonswarm on the forums with an endless litany of baseless accusations, because you think they won't bother with you, despite your "come at me bro" posts - and when they attack you in-game for these actions, its "unfair" and "Goons online?"
Sir, that is a very balanced argument and is in no manner self serving at all. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
[79] - Quote
U mad bro? |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1638
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
[80] - Quote
Mittani was banned...he was greifing IN EVE while OUT of EVE but at the same time while AT EVE. That takes talent. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
833
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Posted - 2012.05.11 12:58:00 -
[81] - Quote
Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Eve Orwell
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 12:59:00 -
[82] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do.
A game can be a sandbox game while still having pvp. They arent mutually exclusive traits |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1240
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:01:00 -
[83] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
Can you post some of the letters? I'd appreciate it, tia~
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4201
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
culling the herd
this game has had plenty of ways of weeding out the bads which would be here regardless of whether we played or otherwise "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Sara Rae
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:03:00 -
[85] - Quote
Please tell us more . |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:03:00 -
[86] - Quote
Loudmouths usually doesn't have it anywhere other than in the mouth.
(our donges) |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1638
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:05:00 -
[87] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. The bigger Goonswarm gets, the harder it will fall. Seriously...it is only a matter of time. They will **** off enough people and eventually **** off the wrong people and they WILL fall. Just like the NC did before them and just like BoB did before that. The trick is to find a group of people to hang with that can help you accomplish what you want in the meantime. Don't like Goonswarm? Fine...go live in the south and help those guys out or go to WH space. If what you are worried about is Goonswarm and their little Singe Jita event, then you need to realize that it isn't Goons doing that...its the game doing that. Goons are just taking more advantage of the sandbox than others. They aren't the only ones either. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:06:00 -
[88] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
(25/10058)*100 = 0.25%
So what you're saying is CCP should side with the 0.25% on this and the 99.75% who act the other way should somehow be acted on?
Mkay. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
1154
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:08:00 -
[89] - Quote
Also, if you substitute "goons" with "BoB" then all of these arguments have happened before.
Somehow, the game just keeps on without your ilk. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:08:00 -
[90] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. The bigger Goonswarm gets, the harder it will fall. Seriously...it is only a matter of time. They will **** off enough people and eventually **** off the wrong people and they WILL fall. Just like the NC did before them and just like BoB did before that. The trick is to find a group of people to hang with that can help you accomplish what you want in the meantime. Don't like Goonswarm? Fine...go live in the south and help those guys out or go to WH space. If what you are worried about is Goonswarm and their little Singe Jita event, then you need to realize that it isn't Goons doing that...its the game doing that. Goons are just taking more advantage of the sandbox than others. They aren't the only ones either.
We'll collapse. It's inevitable. It's just more likely to happen from our own incompetence than someone actually doing anything. |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4204
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:11:00 -
[91] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've had enough of Goons Online.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've had enough of DRF Online.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've had enough of NC Online.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've had enough of BoB Online.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've had enough of ASCN Online.
all of this has happened before, it will happen again
i wonder if it will be TEST Online (ahahahahahahahahaha no) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:11:00 -
[92] - Quote
Andski wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. culling the herd this game has had plenty of ways of weeding out the bads which would be here regardless of whether we played or otherwise To everyone who missed this: His corp, alliance, and some of his characters have Bison references.
So that is a golden pun right there. Like that post 24x7 |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
13
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:26:00 -
[93] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do.
You don't even know what a sandbox game is...
Please them me ONE activity you don in EvE that is not a form of PvP competiton. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
412
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:31:00 -
[94] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
That is so weird that people would contact you to let you know that they are quitting. Even weirder than posting it on the forums. You should share a couple of those. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 13:32:00 -
[95] - Quote
Well, as long as I have a very valid ingame reason to make someone's life ingame miserable I think I am covered.
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:33:00 -
[96] - Quote
did squeal team six get to him or was that just a pre-emptive rageout because its funny either way |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
838
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:44:00 -
[97] - Quote
It is so ingrained, imbedded, the only way to fight the Goons is to fight CCP.
And there is something deeply wrong about that picture.
And there are not nearly enough of you attacking on that front. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
19
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:45:00 -
[98] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It is so ingrained, imbedded, the only way to fight the Goons is to fight CCP.
And there is something deeply wrong about that picture.
And there are not nearly enough of you attacking on that front. or fly out to vfk o7 gfgfgfgf m8m8m8
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:54:00 -
[99] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It is so ingrained, imbedded, the only way to fight the Goons is to fight CCP.
And there is something deeply wrong about that picture.
And there are not nearly enough of you attacking on that front. We're too busy with you |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 13:57:00 -
[100] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It is so ingrained, imbedded, the only way to fight the Goons is to fight CCP.
And there is something deeply wrong about that picture.
And there are not nearly enough of you attacking on that front.
If you think the only way to attack and hurt Goons is by flying in a big fleet then you miss a lot of the possebilities.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
692
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 14:05:00 -
[101] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle. Post mail API or GTFO. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
838
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:12:00 -
[102] - Quote
"The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as TetsujinGÇÖs sig)GÇÜ yet human garbage l-ûke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more.
The Death -àquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us. Bounties will be paid for the killmails of our enemies; they will be hunted down with locator agents, scouted out by neutral characters, and purged."
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/
Words typed are hot air.
Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not.
Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone.
Doing it is another thing entirely. "Every other expansion has catered to the pew-pew need for more things to blow up; to more public cries of, "see how valuable I am!" - anon-á "You have to understand that the human ego will do whatever it takes to get attention because it needs to know that it exists." -- RuPaul |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:18:00 -
[103] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as TetsujinGÇÖs sig)GÇÜ yet human garbage l-ûke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more.
The Death -àquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us. Bounties will be paid for the killmails of our enemies; they will be hunted down with locator agents, scouted out by neutral characters, and purged."
Does that mean I have to go to high sec to get punished by this Death Squad?
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
692
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 14:20:00 -
[104] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as TetsujinGÇÖs sig)GÇÜ yet human garbage l-ûke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more. The Death -àquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us. Bounties will be paid for the killmails of our enemies; they will be hunted down with locator agents, scouted out by neutral characters, and purged." http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/Words typed are hot air. Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not. Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone. Doing it is another thing entirely. As said in the other thread, they reinforced a POS, you purged yourself.
Well not yet, but here's hoping. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
636
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:30:00 -
[105] - Quote
I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1241
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 14:34:00 -
[106] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it?
What about them? |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
155
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 14:38:00 -
[107] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Words typed are hot air.
Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not.
Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone.
Doing it is another thing entirely.
I'm sorry, we took "come at me goonies" as an invitation. Was it not an invitation to act? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4212
|
Posted - 2012.05.11 14:44:00 -
[108] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it?
tell me how hating those people is anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist or sexist "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:44:00 -
[109] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Words typed are hot air.
Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not.
Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone.
Doing it is another thing entirely.
I'm sorry, we took "come at me goonies" as an invitation. Was it not an invitation to act?
oh no...I think he was just reading bad Harry Potter fanfic.
Our bad Krix. Make it up to you? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3115
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Posted - 2012.05.11 14:57:00 -
[110] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it? saying any of those groups are highseccers or miners is extremely insulting to those groups, you should be banned for this racism/sexism |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:02:00 -
[111] - Quote
I think he meant "or other hate-mongering philosophies"
But it's understandable you can't read into that.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3117
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:08:00 -
[112] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:I think he meant "or other hate-mongering philosophies"
But it's understandable you can't read into that.
no i think he's a racist and should be banned |
Razgriz Shaishi
Perkone Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:08:00 -
[113] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it? Cause those 3 examples you listed are ingame groups, while the examples that CCP gave are all out of game type stuff. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:18:00 -
[114] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:I think he meant "or other hate-mongering philosophies"
But it's understandable you can't read into that.
no i think he's a racist and should be banned
This I could say falls under flaming:
Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as "flaming," personal attacks are statements which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated.
By calling him a racist you are doing a personal attack which is clearly intended to personally berate or insult.
Yet you can do this seemingly and get away with it.
I rest my case that even though there are rules in place the enforcement of them is arbitrary.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4213
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:20:00 -
[115] - Quote
i guess every NBSI alliance should be banned from the game then "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:21:00 -
[116] - Quote
And this is why its smarter to ask a professional. |
Tillin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.05.11 15:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
Oh hey you finally posted a good thread. |
Cindare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:23:00 -
[118] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Weaselior wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:I think he meant "or other hate-mongering philosophies"
But it's understandable you can't read into that.
no i think he's a racist and should be banned This I could say falls under flaming: Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as "flaming," personal attacks are statements which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. By calling him a racist you are doing a personal attack which is clearly intended to personally berate or insult. Yet you can do this seemingly and get away with it. I rest my case that even though there are rules in place the enforcement of them is arbitrary.
is Backseat Moderating against the rules, because it totally should be
whatever, your commentary is trite as hell anyway |
Cindare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:25:00 -
[119] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I looked at the policies and noticed this:
"An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if a player:
a. Organizes or participates in a corporation or group that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies. "
What about hating those who choose to live in high sec?
What about hating those who enjoy mining?
What about hating those who, through no fault of their own, get no enjoyment from PvP combat and thus avoid it?
internet spaceship carebears should be a protected class because [insert martin luther king jr. quote here] |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
Cindare wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:Weaselior wrote:Killer Gandry wrote:I think he meant "or other hate-mongering philosophies"
But it's understandable you can't read into that.
no i think he's a racist and should be banned This I could say falls under flaming: Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as "flaming," personal attacks are statements which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. By calling him a racist you are doing a personal attack which is clearly intended to personally berate or insult. Yet you can do this seemingly and get away with it. I rest my case that even though there are rules in place the enforcement of them is arbitrary. is Backseat Moderating against the rules, because it totally should be whatever, your commentary is trite as hell anyway
If you rephrase it to impersonating a moderator or dev then yes it is bannable. |
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1111
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:29:00 -
[121] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Funny the number of emails I have from the past 3 days from other players cancelling.....LONG before my decison.
Those total 25 player accounts so far. And that's just the random players that have contacted me ingame with no prompting.
It'll be really interesting to watch when EVE is left with only empty space but with one big Goon Circle Jerk in the middle.
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAH
(gasp)
BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAH
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Kaleb Rysode
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:37:00 -
[122] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:It is so ingrained, imbedded, the only way to fight the Goons is to fight CCP.
And there is something deeply wrong about that picture.
And there are not nearly enough of you attacking on that front.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. "The reality is that the sandbox is amoral. You don't have to like it, but...reality owns." |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:52:00 -
[123] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote: If you rephrase it to impersonating a moderator or dev then yes it is bannable.
Sad isn't it, that I am not impersonating a moderator or dev.
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Cindare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:54:00 -
[124] - Quote
mods are not selectively enforcing your dislike of the goonies and are therefore doing a poor job |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:55:00 -
[125] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: If you rephrase it to impersonating a moderator or dev then yes it is bannable.
Sad isn't it, that I am not impersonating a moderator or dev.
I feel that you were in fact impersonating a moderator by stating stating rules. I too can warp the meaning of rules. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
667
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:58:00 -
[126] - Quote
Cindare wrote:mods are not selectively enforcing your dislike of the goonies and are therefore doing a poor job If only that other thread wasn't locked because of people making all kinds of wild accusations bout the mods/GMs/devs, he would be a star poster there ! Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 16:59:00 -
[127] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote: I feel that you were in fact impersonating a moderator by stating stating rules. I too can warp the meaning of rules.
How you feel is irrelevant in this matter. I never claimed nor will I ever claim to be a moderator, dev or in any other way connected to CCP in a working relationship.
However as a customer I am entitled to discuss rules in a wider audience if said rules are making little sense to a broader public.
This is actually beneficial to the game as a whole since by asking for clear cut rules and related matters it can lighten the workload on actual CCP employees by decreasing the amount of tickets they have to handle.
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:06:00 -
[128] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: I feel that you were in fact impersonating a moderator by stating stating rules. I too can warp the meaning of rules.
How you feel is irrelevant in this matter. I never claimed nor will I ever claim to be a moderator, dev or in any other way connected to CCP in a working relationship. However as a customer I am entitled to discuss rules in a wider audience if said rules are making little sense to a broader public. This is actually beneficial to the game as a whole since by asking for clear cut rules and related matters it can lighten the workload on actual CCP employees by decreasing the amount of tickets they have to handle.
You stated that my feelings are irrelevant and quite frankly that really hurts and now I feel that I am being griefed by you.
As a customer I am also entitled to discuss rules in a wider audience, and I find your statements to be oppressive and hate mongering. If I wish to discuss how you were just now acting like moderator and telling the other poor forum user that he was making personal attacks, then it is my right to do so. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:09:00 -
[129] - Quote
Trolling is more succesfull if it isn't that apparant Michael.
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:20:00 -
[130] - Quote
Now you are telling me that I am trolling. What did we say about impersonating a moderator. |
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Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
427
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:26:00 -
[131] - Quote
Well, you impersonate someone coherant.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
500
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:29:00 -
[132] - Quote
Canceled |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
414
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:30:00 -
[133] - Quote
Killer Gandry wrote:Well, you impersonate someone coherant.
Well thanks, it's only because I play one in real life. |
Cindare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.11 17:55:00 -
[134] - Quote
Micheal Dietrich wrote:Now you are telling me that I am trolling. What did we say about impersonating a moderator.
no need to get angry about this
it's the typical "you're coherent if you agree with me, and trolling if you disagree" form of argument that we've all come to expect from people like him |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
362
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Posted - 2012.05.11 18:11:00 -
[135] - Quote
Killer Gandry - bringing both the wonderful English language and the amazing force of logic into disrepute since 19xx. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.05.11 20:45:00 -
[136] - Quote
GM Grave wrote:While EVE Online is a universe in which you can rob a corp hanger, scam a market order , suicide gank or declare CONCORD sanctioned war on pretty much anyone. Some people still feel the need to take things further and go off the deep end, one example being when **** ** *** ******** ****** ** **** *** *********** ******** ********* ** ******** ******* ****** ****, and then of course CCP opened a can of whoopass and taught those perps a lesson.
Seriously, give us an example. Change the names, I dont care, Id just like to have an example. Other than can baiting or killing ppl in noob areas.
Malphilos wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Im not trying to question your ruling, its just pretty much everything that looks like griefing, even if it follows the definition above usually isnt if you can talk fast. "I dis it for the lulz" becomes "I did it to get their cargo" is confronted by a GM. Stuff like that. A suggestion would be a less arbitrary rule. Not that it'll go anywhere, but in the case of Hulkageddon.
Hulkageddon's been cleared like seven times at this point. Thats why Im NOT equating it with griefing.
well... gotta browse other threads while I report all the off topic and trolling threads after Krixtal's announcement Rather wish he hadnt done that in my thread
Cmon mods, either do your job and clean up the last 4 pages of off topic trolling, just lock it, or leave it open and un MODDED and prove you wont do your jobs when Goons are involved http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:16:00 -
[137] - Quote
Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do. You don't even know what a sandbox game is... Please them me ONE activity you don in EvE that is not a form of PvP competiton.
minecraft is sandbox eve is pvp ask the devs
well... given not one trolling post in this thread has been snipped and its still open. looks like if you join Goons you get ban immunity fore trolling the forums. Thx for the proof ISD/Devs
huh, looks like krixtal got banned, I cant mail him was gonna ask for his stuff http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Aracimia Wolfe
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
89
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Posted - 2012.05.12 00:26:00 -
[138] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do. You don't even know what a sandbox game is... Please them me ONE activity you don in EvE that is not a form of PvP competiton. minecraft is sandbox eve is pvp ask the devs well... given not one trolling post in this thread has been snipped and its still open. looks like if you join Goons you get ban immunity fore trolling the forums. Thx for the proof ISD/Devs huh, looks like krixtal got banned, I cant mail him was gonna ask for his stuff
Goons took all his stuff already. All they found was a capsule full of tears however. and some very angry drawing in crayon.
I like my coffee like I like my men. In a plastic cup http://aracimia.blogspot.co.uk/ |
qDoctor Strangelove
Beware of the Red Fox
18
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:00:00 -
[139] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as TetsujinGÇÖs sig)GÇÜ yet human garbage l-ûke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more. The Death -àquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us. Bounties will be paid for the killmails of our enemies; they will be hunted down with locator agents, scouted out by neutral characters, and purged." http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/Words typed are hot air. Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not. Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone. Doing it is another thing entirely.
I found Krixtal Icefluxor for you. From: Tsutara Yorsen Sent: 2012.05.12 00:27
I've found your scumsucker.
He is at Thiarer VII - Moon 4 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant station in the Thiarer system, Mekashtad constellation of Derelik region.
With regards,
Tsutara Yorsen |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:16:00 -
[140] - Quote
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:"The purpose of the Death Squad is to hunt down and punish every bleating pubbie who has felt that they could hide behind Concord and speak out against us without fear. In nullsec we have fought wars of extermination over seemingly innocuous offenses (such as TetsujinGÇÖs sig)GÇÜ yet human garbage l-ûke Jade Constantine and Issler Dainze reside securely, squatting in their empire shitholes, squawking about Goonswarm with no risk. No more. The Death -àquad will sow terror among those who think themselves safe from us. Bounties will be paid for the killmails of our enemies; they will be hunted down with locator agents, scouted out by neutral characters, and purged." http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/24/leak-goonswarm-federation-ceo-update-goonswarm-unbound/Words typed are hot air. Words acted upon are real, whether the setting is virtual or not. Nothing is wrong with threatening to Purge someone. Doing it is another thing entirely. I found Krixtal Icefluxor for you. From: Tsutara Yorsen Sent: 2012.05.12 00:27 I've found your scumsucker. He is at Thiarer VII - Moon 4 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant station in the Thiarer system, Mekashtad constellation of Derelik region. With regards, Tsutara Yorsen
If you try to mail him it says you cant or it did for me http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
392
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:21:00 -
[141] - Quote
Quote:Seriously, give us an example. Change the names, I dont care, Id just like to have an example. Other than can baiting or killing ppl in noob areas.
Spamming someone with PMs filled with colorful language. Posting someone's personal information. Threatening to hurt someone in real life, etc. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2012.05.12 01:50:00 -
[142] - Quote
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
I found Krixtal Icefluxor for you. From: Tsutara Yorsen Sent: 2012.05.12 00:27
I've found your scumsucker.
He is at Thiarer VII - Moon 4 - Ammatar Fleet Assembly Plant station in the Thiarer system, Mekashtad constellation of Derelik region.
With regards,
Tsutara Yorsen
Guys, please don't gank this guy. He's had a rough couple of days. Leaving your own alliance that you created is no laughing matter. |
Cindare
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:46:00 -
[143] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Nope.
And that's why me and my 3 other accounts are out of here.
I've had enough of Goons Online. Cleary sandbox games are not for you. Quite clear that that is indeed false advertising on the part of CCP. You guys are right. It's a PvP game. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to gtfo and. Seriously they do. You don't even know what a sandbox game is... Please them me ONE activity you don in EvE that is not a form of PvP competiton. minecraft is sandbox eve is pvp ask the devs well... given not one trolling post in this thread has been snipped and its still open. looks like if you join Goons you get ban immunity fore trolling the forums. Thx for the proof ISD/Devs huh, looks like krixtal got banned, I cant mail him was gonna ask for his stuff
being immune to forum bans is clearly the best reason to join goons |
Sirhan Blixt
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.12 02:56:00 -
[144] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The bigger Goonswarm gets, the harder it will fall. Seriously...it is only a matter of time. They will **** off enough people and eventually **** off the wrong people and they WILL fall. Just like the NC did before them and just like BoB did before that. It's us. We're the wrong people. Funny you should mention BoB ...
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The trick is to find a group of people to hang with that can help you accomplish what you want in the meantime. Good luck with that. Not since the Early Days has anybody been able to harm goons as much as goons have harmed themselves. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:11:00 -
[145] - Quote
Given this has hit 13 pages
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=107783&find=unread
and no lock/snips id kinda funny given that whole thread is nothing but troll and flame. Arent "I quit threads usually locked or moved (usually BEFORE 13 pages deep)?
Man I reported every single off topic post here (pretty much everything after 62 and STILL nothing.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.05.12 08:52:00 -
[146] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Also, if you substitute "goons" with "BoB" then all of these arguments have happened before.
Somehow, the game just keeps on without your ilk.
Which is why I'm not to concerned. 4chanSwarm will fall, eventually just like every corp and alliance before it.
The only difference is that it will be remembered as the corp that managed to unite all the mouthbreathing aspies of the internet. |
Heated
Plutocratic Industries Chained Reactions
0
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Posted - 2012.05.12 10:18:00 -
[147] - Quote
Ransom?
You can ransom?
I just kill your ship and take your stuff, then i kill your pod for being stupid enough to rat in "my" system.
How does this "ransom" work?
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:22:00 -
[148] - Quote
Styx Sertan wrote:What is your definition of griefing? Someone who shakes your hand without washing them after jerking off... |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
35
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Posted - 2012.05.12 12:24:00 -
[149] - Quote
I've always assumed it wont concern CCP much unless it adversely effected someone out-of-game in some way or if it is absolutely obvious that the "griefing" is being done for no other reason other than to simply harrass another player. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1286
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Posted - 2012.05.12 15:19:00 -
[150] - Quote
Our GMs replied with an answer, presenting our general policy regarding bans.
Individual warnings or bans must not be discussed on our forums as per our forum rules. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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