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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 01:17:47 First, I'd like to say I'm not a member of the Goons. I've seen them in WoW on Mal Ganis, they are some pretty good peeps there, as they are on Warhammer.
I was aware they play this game, as they also play Lineage 2(or used to, not sure they do now.) Believe they've had some people in Star Wars Galaxies and other mmo's.
Generally, my interactions with them in all of those games was pleasant. They played the games like any other person. In Eve Online, they play this game just like everyone else. My gameplay in each of these games has never been hindered by any member of Goons.
Yes, they scam people thinking they were going to join Goons. If I were in that alliance, and Goons have a set way of recruiting, I'd do the same damn thing. Why? It's because it's hilarious when you see people forking over 500 million, billions of assets, cap ships and any number of other things that they get scammed out of. A simple search on google, would bring up their recruitment. Stupid people fall for that kind of stuff, and yes, I'm calling them out. You are an idiot and stupid to believe that any alliance, any strong alliance, will recruit just any body that they have no idea who they are getting. Seriously, if you believe that any large group of players in eve would recruit willy nilly, you have a screw loose. Look at all the alliances in this game that did that, and look where they are now. The only known alliance that I know of that recruits willy nilly, is CVA, and they are in one region that is full of pirates. They really don't even have full control of the region, although all the regions entities will come to the aid of CVA to defend it.
I'm not a fan boy of GoonSwarm, I'm not a fanboy of BoB. I have the common sense to see that these guys play the game because, in this sandbox, they have created an entity that they can use to have fun. Sure, they have a pretty bad rep of make believe stuff that other players within the game have created. Did the Goon go out of their way to defend their rep? Nope, they embraced it and use it to have fun. People called them scammers, and a group of players within that alliance decided, you know what, let's just scam people and see what happens. Their scams btw, are so silly that falling for them is just comedy.
People say they are out to ruin the game for people. Yes, in a sense they are. When you war with another alliance, what happens in that war? One side wins, and one side loses. Both sides should have fun, since it's a game. No one likes to lose, but people get butt hurt so bad in this game because they lose, that they will make up anything to damage the reputation of the other entity.
Meta gaming. That's a stupid phrase. This game promotes spies, intelligence services, and really, anything that happens in the RL can happen in Eve. The developers (I believe) have said this, and in reality within the game, it is true. Spying is just one aspect of the game, and is one that will always thrive, because it's thrived since day one of launch. In war, you take every advantage you get and exploit that advantage until it no longer works anymore. Stop crying about metagaming, and use it your self. You are ignorant to not use the mechanics that are there for players to use.
I for one, applaud GoonSwarm in everything they've done. They changed the game from what it was, they stood up to the bully of Eve and have spanked them so hard, that the recovery will be very hard. You can't believe every stupid thing you hear from either side in this, because it's been distorted to the point that it's just garbage anyway.
What I do know, is that this game is fun, and the Goons just make it more so. You all will think I'm a GoonSwarm alt, or some other dumb one liner that's come up on the forums. These are just my opinions and if it makes me a Goonie pet/pubbie/fanboi/whatever, then so be it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:21:00 -
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Yeah, yeah we love to hate and hate to love them too. COAD/CAOD/whatevertheheckitscalled -> that way. Next issue ?
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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:24:00 -
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Welp, if I could post in CAOD, I would. Threads get locked in CAOD if you are in an NPC Corp and post there. If you did some Forum Rules reading, you'd have known that, and not have posted a troll post. Hope this helps you understand at least one of the forum rules.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:25:00 -
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I know this Willy Nilly you speak of, swell guy, I'll vouch for him!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark If you did some Forum Rules reading, you'd have known that, and not have posted a troll post.
No, I am fully aware of that, it was just a nicer way of saying "STFU". But since you can't understand that nor take the hint, I'm saying it now : STFU.
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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:35:00 -
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Akita, simply because you could care less about what I've posted, there is no need to act the way you are. However, it is your opinion and prerogative to act and attack people the way you see fit. I have nothing against you.
However, I will not STFU, as you've so negatively asked (told) me to do, because I have the right to post what I'd like to in a General Discussion Forum Board.
The topic is about GoonSwarm, not about STFUing. It's not a flame bait, it's something to be discussed. If you feel to attack me personally, then send me in game mails about it.
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EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:36:00 -
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Some thoughts on hurf blurf, cue forum drama.
Also, in before Navigator.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 18/05/2009 01:44:17
Quote: Akita, simply because you could care less about what I've posted
Strangely enough, I do. And for the most part, I agree. But the issue is not with the content of your post, it's with your intentional breach of forum rules.
This topic is _EITHER_ about an alliance in EVE-Online _OR_ about the membership of the SomethingAwful forums. Discussions about alliances in EVE-Online are restricted to CAOD, non-EVE-related discussions are restricted to OOPE. You picked EGD instead of OOPE, so we can assume it's about the alliance in EVE then.
CAOD has rules forbidding posts by NPC corp members precisely in order to avoid threads like this one. You are knowingly and willingly avoiding forum rules in order to do what you just did, posting in EGD because you can't post in CAOD. You are actually risking a forum warning or even tempban for what you did. I would not persist in doing that if I was you.
But, go ahead, be my guest, DON'T STFU, keep going, say more, keep posting such threads after this one gets locked... it's your account, not mine.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:45:00 -
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Posting CAOD material in GD will get moved to CAOD. If the move would result into a lock the thread will just be locked instead of being move.
It's all right there in the rules and procedures. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:48:00 -
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Some more of my opinions of GoonSwarm:
I do believe that all the entities involved in this fight in Delve, and the previous removal (or continued removal) of the former BoB from their space, have said that they will be resetting standings or some such after this is all done.
Yes, they've said they will continue to fight the former BoB in any entity that they re-create, because they are the enemy, and are completely against the way in which they (BoB) want to control all of 0.0, force alliances smaller than them to pay tribute to stay there. The Goon and NC were right when they said that BoB really are not good at Eve, they've just embraced timezones, lag mechanics, and a certain bpo scam to have the advantage. They all proved it in 2006 to the present.
MAX failed utterly. The reason it failed, is because it accomplished nothing. Sure, you killed pos's that were easily replaced. Yes, they beat up IRON, but IRON is still there. All of the GBC went after them, yet they are still there, holding space, and as far as I know, are not paying tribute to live there. FIX was in Q, faced all of the NC and Goon's, twice, and no longer hold space anywhere. During that entire time, FIX was paying BoB to live in Q out of fear. Exe I'm sure paid BoB tribute (I could be, and mostly am, wrong about this), as did any other region holding GBC entity.
BoB is organized, and are pretty tight with each other. I was simply taken back when they allowed something like their alliance being disbanded to happen. Big welp there.
I for one can't wait to see what the Goons do next. I hope they secure Delve (which is on-going). The "air" in Eve has changed in 0.0, for that I'm glad. Would be nice to see blobbing go away, but in reality, why would you? To win a war, you bring your numbers. You can't fault one side from wanting to win. Smaller wars would be nice though, not the "We're gonna bring everything we have to take all of your space" kind of total war. I think Goons and the NC really want to change how wars are fought. I'd think it strains everyone when wars are fought like how BoB wanted them.
Also, to those that say Goons want to rule all of 0.0, that is the dumbest thing that could be said. Goons want pewpew, not sit in a station and spin ships.
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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 01:50:45 Mkay, well if I wanted to look around the General forum, I'm sure I could find some CAOD worthy posts. Mine is a general discussion of the Goons and the activities there-in. I'm breaking no rules.
Edit: If anyone from CCP believes me to breaking rules, then I'll accept whatever they say about it. Until then, I believe I'm within the rules.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark Meta gaming. That's a stupid phrase. This game promotes spies, intelligence services, and really, anything that happens in the RL can happen in Eve.
Metagaming is using out-of-game mechanics to affect in-game behaviour. Such as turning off the power to a Titan pilot's house in order to ensure the Titan doesn't warp out of a fight.
If you get the definition right, the rest of the argument makes sense.
Infiltrating your spies into enemy corporations is not meta-gaming, it is playing EVE Online. Hacking the other corporation's bulletin board service is a real life crime, whether or not it's metagaming is irrelevant.
Posting a COAD article on GD to evade rules about posting in COAD with NPC corp alts is neither metagaming nor inside the rules of the game.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark If anyone from CCP believes me to breaking rules, then I'll accept whatever they say about it. Until then, I believe I'm within the rules.
In other words, "I can't be bothered to look at the rules, and I'd rather be punished first because I can't accept that the thing everybody else tells me is true" ?!? Nice going...
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Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 02:00:17 Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 01:58:54 Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 01:58:35
Quote: Metagaming is using out-of-game mechanics to affect in-game behaviour. Such as turning off the power to a Titan pilot's house in order to ensure the Titan doesn't warp out of a fight.
If you get the definition right, the rest of the argument makes sense.
Infiltrating your spies into enemy corporations is not meta-gaming, it is playing EVE Online. Hacking the other corporation's bulletin board service is a real life crime, whether or not it's metagaming is irrelevant.
Posting a COAD article on GD to evade rules about posting in COAD with NPC corp alts is neither metagaming nor inside the rules of the game.
I agree with the meta-gaming portion you've just stated. That is wrong, and is something I dislike any alliance doing.
CCP knows that I'm not an alt of anyone else, as someone is probably scanning my account to see if I do have other characters or accounts related to a "main" character. This is my main, and so therefore not breaking rules.
Again, this is just my opinion and a general discussion about GoonSwarm and their activities. I can not post in CAOD about my opinions, so I must post here. I am not trying to evade anything, as you are assuming that I am. If I could post in CAOD and not get my post locked, then I would gladly do it. Also, I will not just join an alliance willy nilly just to post it either. Nor, will I make my own corp just to do it.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:02:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 18/05/2009 02:05:05
Originally by: Wolf Stark I can not post in CAOD about my opinions, so I must post here.
Wrong.
You MUST post this kind of thread in COAD. You can not post in CAOD because you're not allowed to post in CAOD due to you being officially considered an outsider in the politics of EVE. So your opinion is considered irrelevant.
If you want to post this thread you have to be part of a player corp with at least 10 members. If you're not in a player corp with at least 10 members, you relinquish your right to express your opinion about this particular issue, and you can't post this anywhere, and are therefore obligated to STFU.
That's the ruleset. I didn't write them. I might not even agree with them. But those ARE the rules.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:04:00 -
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If you cannot post in CAOD, your opinion is deemed meaningless according to the forum rules. Stop posting. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:07:00 -
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1/10
(And I'm amazed I haven't seen anyone else posting it yet.)
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:13:00 -
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boooooooooooooooooooring |
Chief Simpson
Minmatar Sanitation Worker's Union of Null Sec
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:26:00 -
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Is this post a part of the new Goonswarm hazing for pubbies? ----------- Cleaning up the garbage in null sec, one belt at a time... |
Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Chief Simpson Is this post a part of the new Goonswarm hazing for pubbies?
Oh?
"You must prove your devotion to The Cause!"
"Yes, sensei! What shall I do? Lie down and sleep in a mud pit full of leeches?"
"NO! You will post a Goonswarm propaganda piece in General Discussion and get at least 2 pages of responses before your thread is locked!"
*supplicant flees, eyes wide with terror*
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Lord Windu
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:37:00 -
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Who Cares? Certainly not me. ~ ☺ A Kirra Liu Presentation. Will give cyber for GTC ☺ |
Wolf Stark
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:38:00 -
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You guys are funny, but are not supplying anything to the discussion in which pertains to the topic. I suppose it'll be locked because of that "Lack of content". That's unfortunate, that no one has an opinion on the main topic.
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Alt Tabbed
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark You guys are funny, but are not supplying anything to the discussion in which pertains to the topic. I suppose it'll be locked because of that "Lack of content". That's unfortunate, that no one has an opinion on the main topic.
How much does it cost to start a corp? How long does it take to get a Alt created? How long (ave) does it take to get your (forum)face rendered?
The answers to these questions may very well help you with future Endeavors.
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark You guys are funny, but are not supplying anything to the discussion in which pertains to the topic.
Because MY initial response pretty much sums it all up, and the topic doesn't even belong here in the first place, so most of the replies you'll get will be in that particular vein.
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CCP Applebabe
Amarr C C P
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:56:00 -
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Moved to CAOD.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.05.18 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to CAOD.
Great move. Is the next step locking the OP for being in an NPC corp? Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano***
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Akita T
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.05.18 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to CAOD.
Great move. Is the next step locking the OP for being in an NPC corp?
Probably. Well, we COULD go back on topic though now, seing how it's in the right subforum... ...nah, don't feel like it, especially since it'll very likely get locked in a couple of minutes.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to CAOD.
It's not everyday you get to report a forum mod.
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Mynchko Atoch
Atoch Family Holdings
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:36:00 -
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Oh great. no, we don't want it either .. reporting for forum abuse!
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:39:00 -
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Moved to " Warfare & Tactics " .
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EVEHelpisSeriousBusiness
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Posted - 2009.05.18 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to " Warfare & Tactics " .
In before OOP
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.05.18 06:53:00 -
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I have no problem with goons in this game, but the fact that they have things like wikipedia vadalization projekts at their something awefull forums makes me not liking them.
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Unfamed II
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2009.05.18 07:25:00 -
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backseat mods, lol. feeling important?
Originally by: Sandslinger of CA
So this wasn't a straightoff logoffski from our point of view, rather a tactical manoeuvre
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Navtiqes
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.05.18 07:33:00 -
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Goons even play ****ty games, which is why you find some in Civony and WoW.
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marxist revolutionary
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Posted - 2009.05.18 10:15:00 -
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and in eve online
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.05.18 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Unfamed II backseat mods, lol. feeling important?
Must be the last graduating class. They seem a little eager.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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TraininVain
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Posted - 2009.05.18 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Applebabe Moved to " Warfare & Tactics " .
Why?
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark The only known alliance that I know of that recruits willy nilly, is CVA, and they are in one region that is full of pirates. They really don't even have full control of the region, although all the regions entities will come to the aid of CVA to defend it.
1) CVA does not recruit 'willy nilly'. Corporations who apply to join CVA have to wait at least 6 months before they can join (often longer) and have to demonstrate their worth in Provi before they are accepted. That is a much higher recruiting standard than most 0.0 alliances.
2) Providence is not 'full of pirates'. Yes you sometimes get raiding parties and groups camping entrance gates but they tend to hide as soon as an organised fleet head their way. This is the reason that Providence is the most populated 0.0 region in EVE. You wouldn't have such a density of pilots if the region was 'full of pirates'. Also the vast majority of other 0.0 alliances operate NBSI. Please go to their space and discover if they will or wont 'pirate' you.
3) CVA has complete control of Providence working in conjunction with our 'Holder' alliances. These 'entities' that you refer to have their space because they worked with CVA to get it and know that our 'all for one and one for all' attitude ensures both their and our security. If you could demonstrate any evidence of anyone seriously challenging our Sovereignty in the last year then I would like to see it! Of course if one of the big boys turned on us then we might have a problem - but as it stands we are as firmly entrenched and in control as it is possible for an non-'Great War'-aligned alliance of our size to be...
I have no idea where you have picked up your information on CVA but it clearly hasn't come from a well informed or impartial source. As to your beef with Goons - well I can only hope that it was slightly more educated than your opinions of CVA.
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Intigo
Amarr Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:08:00 -
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Hardin is awesome. <3 Providence is awesome. ___________________
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:09:00 -
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Quote:
I have no idea where you have picked up your information on CVA but it clearly hasn't come from a well informed or impartial source. As to your beef with Goons - well I can only hope that it was slightly more educated than your opinions...
Since I finally see one CVA member alive on the forums, could you tell me about what I asked on CAOD?
A new player with no clue of the grand EvE politics joined a CVA KOS corp say in 2005, then he left it in 2006 (joining another and he became "neutral" on your scores).
Then one day after he's ratting there like for months, he docks to sell his stuff like 100 other times, "something wakes up", he undocks suddenly flagged red with a CVA gank party awaiting him and the station is set to refuses to accept him any more?
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 18/05/2009 13:05:13
Players who were in a KOS corp and then join an NPC corp remain KOS in CVA eyes. Wished it didn't have to work that way but unfortunately too many 'reds' think that joining a NPC corp = forgiveness and then take advantage of temporary neutral status to gank people (until they are reset KOS)...
Saying that - if he joined an non NPC neutral corp and had been around Providence for a while then he shouldn't have been ganked. If he can prove that is the case he can join CVA-Diplo and provide the evidence... ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
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Jimmy Duce
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Posted - 2009.05.18 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Chief Simpson Is this post a part of the new Goonswarm hazing for pubbies?
Oh?
"You must prove your devotion to The Cause!"
"Yes, sensei! What shall I do? Lie down and sleep in a mud pit full of leeches?"
"NO! You will post a Goonswarm propaganda piece in General Discussion and get at least 2 pages of responses before your thread is locked!"
*supplicant flees, eyes wide with terror*
He was so close 2
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Kuranei
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Posted - 2009.05.18 16:29:00 -
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umm... Im not sure you understand anything at all dealing with 0.0. maybe you dont have to. but goonies are no different than BoB. In fact they are worst. Id rather a thief tell me he was a thief than have a thief act as a friend but under that smile hes really a thief. If those guys paid BoB to live there it was under there own descision to. they couldve left at anytime. So they knew what kind of Landlord they had. Goonies will scamm and lie and pretend they are there to help you. So they are in fatc worst than BoB ever was. That is the opinion of someone on the recieving end of your so called statement. Unlike BoB goonies want last half as long there because no one not even the people that help them today trust them. Is that what you call good for eve ? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.18 17:48:00 -
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Quote: Saying that - if he joined an non NPC neutral corp and had been around Providence for a while then he shouldn't have been ganked. If he can prove that is the case he can join CVA-Diplo and provide the evidence...
He was not in a NPC corp, his old KOS corp died and he joined a "neutral" new one.
BTW they told me I am in a KOS corp myself, I don't even know why (I don't play since a lot, I don't even know where you are). But I know that in 10 years I might want to come visit your 0.0 area and be podded because of... boh?
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Terribad
Shade. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wolf Stark Edited by: Wolf Stark on 18/05/2009 01:17:47 You are an idiot and stupid to believe that any alliance, any strong alliance, will recruit just any body that they have no idea who they are getting. Seriously, if you believe that any large group of players in eve would recruit willy nilly, you have a screw loose. Look at all the alliances in this game that did that, and look where they are now.
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Revolution Rising
Venture Research and Resources Arkai Confederation
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Posted - 2009.05.19 09:45:00 -
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As you say, anything you can do in eve you can do in RL.
"We're going to act like the lowest s****of the earth that we really are in real life but like to keep up perceptions there. Here's my rationale as to why this is a good thing."
It was a good speech I enjoyed it.
$1000 says you're an American.
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