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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:17:00 -
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I target a roid and after the mining cycle is completed the roid is gone. OK
Now: when I disable the strip miner II before the cycle is finish, it says: Roid is gone. OK
My question: if I would not have disabled the strip miner, would I have received MORE ore? Or would I have received the same amount of ore BUT would have waited longer?
simple question, isn't it? á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Braaage
Ministry of Craft
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:26:00 -
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Each roid holds a certain number of ore (you can tell how much by using a roid scanner). If you cancel a cycle it will pull in the partial ore already mined, if you wait until the cycle finishes it will still pull in the same amount of ore that was left in the roid.
TIP: one strip miner II to it's own roid - don't put all 3 on the same roid. --
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:29:00 -
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so it makes sense to disable the mining laser to check whether its empty already. yeah I never use 3 laser on one roid, what a waste lol.
thanks for headsup =) á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:30:00 -
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oh and btw: ur site rulez! a lot of input I got from it already =)
fly safe o7 á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Sep'Shoni
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.18 12:56:00 -
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Once you're past the Miner II its really critical to fit a scanner so you don't waste your time on rocks that are too small for a complete cycle.
Using the scanner and your personal yield numbers you can know whether you've got full cycle, 3/4 cycle, 1/2 cycle, or 1/4 cycle rocks so you can turn off the laser and move to the next at the appropriate time.
Sep'Shoni
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:03:00 -
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alright I think I give it a try. Lets get some scanner, even I not let the barge mine afk (yesterday happens to be the bad day of an ore thief ) and I usually turn off the miner after at least half a cycle. á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Callista Omenswarm
Astronautical Engineering
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:19:00 -
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Grab a copy of Miner Timer III ...add as many timers as you have lasers, stick in roid type, size and your yield and it'll tell you exactly when to switch off your laser for maximum efficiency.
Just be sure to remember to change the '60' at the bottom to '180' for strips ;)
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Da Death
Minmatar Relentless Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.05.18 13:24:00 -
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WoW! thanks for hint -downloading it now á Curse Absolution Prorator Impel T2 Mods/Drones/Ammo Manufacturer
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Lukriss
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Posted - 2009.05.18 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Da Death umm that miner III its tomuch typing. Its a nice looking tool but until I typed all in I already mined the roid :P
Hint there is (or was) a "next roid" field, where you can put in the next roid while mining the old one, so by doing that you are ready to press start once you finish the last one.
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Hayaishi
Gallente Armada Ministry Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.19 06:54:00 -
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sounds suspiciously like macroing to me...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.19 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hayaishi sounds suspiciously like macroing to me...
How is this anything like macroing?
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Hayaishi
Gallente Armada Ministry Defence
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Posted - 2009.05.19 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm Grab a copy of Miner Timer III ...add as many timers as you have lasers, stick in roid type, size and your yield and it'll tell you exactly when to switch off your laser for maximum efficiency.
Just be sure to remember to change the '60' at the bottom to '180' for strips ;)
This.
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 19/05/2009 11:11:51
Originally by: Da Death I target a roid and after the mining cycle is completed the roid is gone. OK
Now: when I disable the strip miner II before the cycle is finish, it says: Roid is gone. OK
it doesnt work that way. (unless you have multiple lasers, which you didnt mention)
if you have ONE laser locked and cycle on ONE asteroid, it will deactivate when there is no more units left (or when you cargo is full).
now, if you have multiple lasers, those you activated first will continue if there is any units left in the rock before your last laser ends it cycle and finds that there isnt any units left.
TL;DR no
Originally by: Callista Omenswarm Grab a copy of Miner Timer III ...add as many timers as you have lasers, stick in roid type, size and your yield and it'll tell you exactly when to switch off your laser for maximum efficiency.
Just be sure to remember to change the '60' at the bottom to '180' for strips ;)
why waste time when you can just use the in-game timer? just have a look at how much one cycle turns and learn the numbers. not that hard. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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GyokZoli
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.19 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Hayaishi Edited by: Hayaishi on 19/05/2009 07:37:18
Originally by: Callista Omenswarm Grab a copy of Miner Timer III ...add as many timers as you have lasers, stick in roid type, size and your yield and it'll tell you exactly when to switch off your laser for maximum efficiency.
Just be sure to remember to change the '60' at the bottom to '180' for strips ;)
Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Hayaishi sounds suspiciously like macroing to me...
How is this anything like macroing?
This.
It has nothing to do with macroing.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.19 17:03:00 -
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Haven't tried this, but it looks interesting:
EVE Miner Timer
The EVE Miner timer is a LEGAL in-game application which runs on top of the EVE Client window and allows you to effeciently monitor the timing of your mining lasers.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2009.05.20 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Callista Omenswarm Grab a copy of Miner Timer III ...add as many timers as you have lasers, stick in roid type, size and your yield and it'll tell you exactly when to switch off your laser for maximum efficiency.
Originally by: Hayaishi sounds suspiciously like macroing to me...
So tell me, if I use an egg timer to remind me to look at the computer to move ore out of the cargo hold of my Hulk into the corporate hangar of the Orca, is that macroing too?
What about if I calculate how much time it will take for the strip miner to completely exhaust a particular rock, and set one egg timer for each strip miner on my hulk, so that it will go off just as the strip miner sucks the last unit of veldspar out of the rock. Is that macroing?
What about if instead of three separate egg timers and a calculator, I have a program which does exactly the same thing: I type in how many units of veldspar are in an asteroid, and it tells me when the strip miner has finished vacuuming the rock dry. Is that macroing?
Now what if the program uses the "always on top" setting from the Windows XP operating system, so that it doesn't matter that I'm playing EVE in windowed mode at full screen resolution, the asteroid-popping timer will always be visible? Is that macroing?
If this nifty timer tool is macroing, what do you call people who use EVEMon to remind them to log in and queue up the next batch of skills while training up their cyno alts?
The Miner Timer III does not make mining any easier for anyone - in fact it requires somewhere in the order of 5 times more hands-on interaction since for every rock you target, you have to type in the quantity of ore (that's four to five times more key/button presses than normal), and then you have to deactivate the mining laser at the right time rather than letting the laser simply time out. Not to mention having to click in the "asteroid size" field before typing in the quantity of ore.
Please, learn to comprehend what is written rather than expecting that something is a cheating tool and interpreting what you read through that preconception.
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.05.20 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 19/05/2009 11:11:51
Originally by: Da Death I target a roid and after the mining cycle is completed the roid is gone. OK
Now: when I disable the strip miner II before the cycle is finish, it says: Roid is gone. OK
it doesnt work that way. (unless you have multiple lasers, which you didnt mention)
if you have ONE laser locked and cycle on ONE asteroid, it will deactivate when there is no more units left (or when you cargo is full).
This is misleading. Your mining laser does NOT deactivate when the asteroid is empty. It only deactivates at the end of the cycle, if there is no more ore left at the end of the cycle. If there is even 1 unit of ore left, your miner will keep (pretending to) mine until the end of the full cycle. Only then will it stop.
-Enthral
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rantuket
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.20 05:32:00 -
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Would be nice if this aspect of mining was changed. It is not like you keep on shooting at the spot a target (ship or any object) was in even after it is gone, so why have it for mining?
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Qoi
New Eden Warriors
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Posted - 2009.05.20 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: rantuket Would be nice if this aspect of mining was changed. It is not like you keep on shooting at the spot a target (ship or any object) was in even after it is gone, so why have it for mining?
The Weapon will complete it's cycle even if the target is nearly dead, how are mining lasers different?
And why not have it for mining: It would be very boring.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.05.20 07:21:00 -
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sounds suspiciously like macroing to me...
Don't you think if they wanted to macro, they would just run the macro and not bother micromanaging with a timer?
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Kher'Aleer
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.05.22 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hayaishi sounds suspiciously like micromanaging to me...
there... fixed it.
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.05.22 17:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 22/05/2009 17:41:16 Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 22/05/2009 17:40:24
Originally by: ingenting why waste time when you can just use the in-game timer? just have a look at how much one cycle turns and learn the numbers. not that hard.
I just stagger my strips, and scan after every cycle completes (sort and target by distance). This way I know which strip is getting low. When there is less than once cycle of ore left, switch to another asteroid and tag the old one so you can un-target it, and know which ones to put the mining drones on later.
Originally by: Kher'Aleer
Originally by: Hayaishi sounds suspiciously like micromanaging to me...
there... fixed it.
That's why I never get bored, and actually enjoy mining.
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ingenting
20th Legion Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2009.05.22 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: ingenting why waste time when you can just use the in-game timer? just have a look at how much one cycle turns and learn the numbers. not that hard.
I just stagger my strips, and scan after every cycle completes (sort and target by distance). This way I know which strip is getting low. When there is less than once cycle of ore left, switch to another asteroid and tag the old one so you can un-target it, and know which ones to put the mining drones on later.
and that has what exactly to do with what i said? nothing, thats what. _________________ - "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb."
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