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Reborn Phoenix
Pacific Dawn
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Posted - 2009.05.24 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Reborn Phoenix on 24/05/2009 12:31:45
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 11:57:47
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Nightmare-
If all you're going to do is turn my thread into a flamewar then just stop posting in my thread.
Bellum, i'm just telling how Blasters works for me. And because i use them right, i have no issues with them at all. Doesn't matter if it's on TQ or Sisi, they are working as they should on both servers.
Is that so hard to understand?.
And no. I'm not turning this into a flame war here. Maybe it might end up in a flame war with Murina here though. But it's still not me that are doing that.
Just to let you know some things here. A tracking boost will not happen for Blasters, because that goes against the web nerf. A DPS boost will not happen either, because Blasters are already the king of DPS. A range boost on Blasters will not happen to, because that goes against to be the shortest range weapon system in EVE.
The ONLY possible thing i see as possible to change is the webbers. Also to change them from 60% to 70%. Doing more than that is going way to far after how CCP want the PVP to be now.
Increasing webber effect from 60% to 70% would be more of a PVP imbalance than changing the tracking on large blasters since webbs would benefit every weapon in game.
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JonnyKay
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 12:54:00 -
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Fix projectiles first imho. If blasters get fixed Gallente will be op leaving minmatar way out behind again =(
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mag''s on 24/05/2009 13:38:12 NightmareX, I would like you to answer me this please. If Blasters are so good, why don't you use them on TQ? That's not a flame, just a simple question
Regarding your assertion, that a tracking boost would negate the web nerf, it wouldn't. They nerfed webs because it was thought 90% meant death no matter what. A boost to blasters tracking, wouldn't mean death no matter what, but it would make people think twice.
I don't have the figures in front of me, but you'll find lasers track far better at their optimal, than blasters do at theirs. Can anyone here show the figures please and what kind of a boost it would require to bring them in line?
Oh btw Bellum, I'll have tech 2 large pulse lasers in 1 day 13 hours, just need to get the levels up. Would have had them sooner, but other skills got in the way.
Edit: spelling.
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 14:18:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 14:19:10
Originally by: Mag's Edited by: Mag''s on 24/05/2009 13:38:12 NightmareX, I would like you to answer me this please. If Blasters are so good, why don't you use them on TQ? That's not a flame, just a simple question
Regarding your assertion, that a tracking boost would negate the web nerf, it wouldn't. They nerfed webs because it was thought 90% meant death no matter what. A boost to blasters tracking, wouldn't mean death no matter what, but it would make people think twice.
I don't have the figures in front of me, but you'll find lasers track far better at their optimal, than blasters do at theirs. Can anyone here show the figures please and what kind of a boost it would require to bring them in line?
Oh btw Bellum, I'll have tech 2 large pulse lasers in 1 day 13 hours, just need to get the levels up. Would have had them sooner, but other skills got in the way.
Edit: spelling.
As i have told earlier, there is a very good reason why the tracking on Lasers need to be nerfed to where it was before the Lasers got the tracking boost so they could hit HAC's better.
And then you say this: but you'll find lasers track far better at their optimal, than blasters do at theirs.
Another damn good reason to nerf the tracking on Lasers. Because Lasers should have **** poor tracking at 5 km while having nice tracking at longer distances. Even if the tracking boost Lasers got some time ago will be taken away, then Lasers will still track very good at longer distances.
And also, why start messing with 3 other weapon types when you can just fix Lasers so they are more balanced to the 3 other weapon types that ARE balanced to each others now.
And why i don't use Blasters on TQ atm?, it's because i'm waiting for Large Blaster Spec skill to complete at level 5 in 12 days and 7 hours.
When that's done, my next mission will be to take my security status up to -1.9 so i can get my Megathron Navy Issue out of empire. Atm i'm at -5.8. Will take some time with my free time to play EVE.
When that's done, i will start to use Blaster BS'es.
Anyways. Boosting the tracking on Blasters anymore now will then go more towards instapwning frigs and cruisers again. And believe me when i say it. That will never happen again.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2009.05.24 20:09:00 -
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Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 24/05/2009 20:16:56
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 11:57:47
Originally by: Bellum Eternus Nightmare-
If all you're going to do is turn my thread into a flamewar then just stop posting in my thread.
Bellum, i'm just telling how Blasters works for me. And because i use them right, i have no issues with them at all. Doesn't matter if it's on TQ or Sisi, they are working as they should on both servers.
Is that so hard to understand?.
And no. I'm not turning this into a flame war here. Maybe it might end up in a flame war with Murina here though. But it's still not me that are doing that.
Just to let you know some things here. A tracking boost will not happen for Blasters, because that goes against the web nerf. A DPS boost will not happen either, because Blasters are already the king of DPS. A range boost on Blasters will not happen to, because that goes against to be the shortest range weapon system in EVE.
The ONLY possible thing i see as possible to change is the webbers. Also to change them from 60% to 70%. Doing more than that is going way to far after how CCP want the PVP to be now.
That entire post is just an opinion piece.
#1, you imply that everyone else is just 'doing it wrong' and that if they knew what they were doing that they wouldn't be complaining. So to that I'm sure everyone can say a collective 'F#ck You'.
Second, blasters are not the 'king of DPS'. There are a few ares where blasters do a little more DPS than other weapons, but the majority of the time they are equaled or eclipsed by all other weapon systems. The small amount of time that they end up doing more damage, and the small difference in damage that they actually have when doing so doesn't make up for all of their shortcomings.
I'm max skilled in all four races weapons. I know full well what each is capable of and what they're not. Lasers don't need to be nerfed. Neither do torps (which do a TON of DPS at outstanding range).
Boosting blasters won't 'instapwn' frigs/cruisers. Only someone who don't know wtf they're talking about would make such a statement.
I don't care about SISI or TQ. Both are valid if they have the same rules for a particular test. I just killed a super tanked Dominix with a Dual Heavy Pulse Megathron the other day in a 1v1, as well as a Typhoon and a bunch of other BS in a stand up 1v1 each, just to prove it could be done.
The targets were all max skilled PVP pilots. No, I don't want lasers nerfed. I think the overall balance for everything is quite nice at the moment except for medium and large blasters needing to do a bit more DPS and have a bit more tracking. Not 300% more, or 200% more. Just a small amount more. DPS needs a 10-15% increase across the board, and tracking needs a 20-30% increase. Optimal range could be improved by 25% or so too without stepping on anyone's toes.
I think AC falloff should be doubled across the board. For all sizes. They need to have longer range than blasters, and need to be able to compete with pulse lasers for range, with the reduced damage allowing for no cap use.
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.24 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 24/05/2009 23:26:16
Originally by: Bellum Eternus That entire post is just an opinion piece.
And it's how i use the Blasters.
I must be doing something right when i don't have any issues with Blasters right?.
Why do i don't have it while you have issues?.
For me it looks like the problem is in the players, not in the weapon type, like it always have been looking for me.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
And it's how i use the Blasters.
I must be doing something right when i don't have any issues with Blasters right?.
You do not and have never used blasters on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX For me it looks like the problem is in the players, not in the weapon type, like it always have been looking for me.
The problem is about a player but that player is you because you are not a TQ blaster BS pvper, if you were you would understand the problems.
The only reason you have that pimped navy mega on TQ is so you can get the devs to move it to FD- after every sissi patch so you can play with it on sissi and the crap you post about not having time to get your sec status up is just that...total crap.
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:53:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 10:55:04
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
And it's how i use the Blasters.
I must be doing something right when i don't have any issues with Blasters right?.
You do not and have never used blasters on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX For me it looks like the problem is in the players, not in the weapon type, like it always have been looking for me.
The problem is about a player but that player is you because you are not a TQ blaster BS pvper, if you were you would understand the problems.
The only reason you have that pimped navy mega on TQ is so you can get the devs to move it to FD- after every sissi patch so you can play with it on sissi and the crap you post about not having time to get your sec status up is just that...total crap.
How long have you had it now??....
Excuse me, but we have something called Singularity where Blasters exist to. Blasters on Singularity and TQ are 100% the same.
And when i'm testing out things with Blasters on Singularity, then i'm making sure that the test gets as hard as possible. Like with the Dual Tracking Disruptor Pilgrim with a Warp Scrambler II and Afterburner.
The Megathron i was testing with had a hard time, but i still managed to hit the Pilgrim.
And what does that show?, yes it shows that the tracking is really good for Blasters.
And Murina. Can you do me a favour?. If yes, then please do this. Ask Darknesss or Leilani Solaris why Blasters are really good.
And don't tell me you wont do it, because that means your a ***** with no balls to just get the facts right into your face that Blasters are fine.
Remember, when it's about Blasters, i will listen to the experts with Blasters, not the crybabys with no skills in using Blasters right. |
Terra Mikael
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:41:00 -
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Bellum, could we get a link to your original blaster thread suggestions? |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 13:13:20
Originally by: NightmareX
Excuse me, but we have something called Singularity where Blasters exist to. Blasters on Singularity and TQ are 100% the same.
Blasters maybe the same but:
1. The available combat is not. 2. Very very few ppl if any at all use HG and 5% implants for the sort of pvp that is availble on TQ for blaster ships.
You problem is you live and play on sissi where you type in local what sort of ship you want to fight and range you want you combat to be at, and where the areas and combat are controlled by ccp.
Originally by: NightmareX Can you do me a favour?. If yes, then please do this. Ask Darknesss or Leilani Solaris why Blasters are really good.
How about you do everybody a favor and go away until you have some blaster XP on TQ.
I dunno who you think you are to name drop others like it means anything, especially when neither of the ppl you mention have posted anything in this thread. Also Leilani Solaris uses rails and lasers more than blasters, darkness also has more kills with rails than he does with blasters......you total tool.
Originally by: NightmareX And don't tell me you wont do it, because that means your a ***** with no balls to just get the facts right into your face that Blasters are fine.
You are the clown and pus*y with no balls to fly on TQ, you hide on SISSI using your T2 pimped T2 rigged and 100isk implanted fits and think you are a pvp expert....your not your a liar, coward and a fool. |
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 15:01:32
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 13:13:20
Originally by: NightmareX
Excuse me, but we have something called Singularity where Blasters exist to. Blasters on Singularity and TQ are 100% the same.
Blasters maybe the same but:
1. The available combat is not. 2. Very very few ppl if any at all use HG and 5% implants for the sort of pvp that is availble on TQ for blaster ships.
You problem is you live and play on sissi where you type in local what sort of ship you want to fight and range you want you combat to be at, and where the areas and combat are controlled by ccp.
Originally by: NightmareX Can you do me a favour?. If yes, then please do this. Ask Darknesss or Leilani Solaris why Blasters are really good.
How about you do everybody a favor and go away until you have some blaster XP on TQ.
I dunno who you think you are to name drop others like it means anything, especially when neither of the ppl you mention have posted anything in this thread. Also Leilani Solaris uses rails and lasers more than blasters, darkness also has more kills with rails than he does with blasters......you total tool.
Originally by: NightmareX And don't tell me you wont do it, because that means your a ***** with no balls to just get the facts right into your face that Blasters are fine.
You are the clown and pus*y with no balls to fly on TQ, you hide on SISSI using your T2 pimped T2 rigged and 100isk implanted fits and think you are a pvp expert....your not your a liar, coward and a fool.
1. As i have said like trillion of times now. In the 3 years i have been testing a Blaster Mega or other Blaster BS'es on sisi, i have been testing EVERY damn possible PVP situations you can think of there.
It's no excuse that it's a test server. When i have tested the most common PVP styles / tactics on Sisi like a million times, then i think Sisi is a good enough reason to say how Blasters is working.
I have been in all from 1 vs 1 fights up to like 200 vs 200 man fight on Sisi. Yes those times with 200 vs 200 have been when CCP have announced that they want to do a stress test etc etc. But it's still a massive fleet fight and a valid way to test out a fleet battle.
And i know alot of players that use LG / HG Slave sets on TQ, you just have to look around and not be lazy.
2. So your saying FFA 1 or the other FFA's are controlled by CCP?. LOL your a joke.
FFA's are the best way to test out your ship. You can get the whole FFA on you etc. And it have been those times where i have been alone against 3-5 others in BS'es and Battlecruisers etc etc in FFA 1 in my Megathron / Kronos / Rokh, and still pwned the hell out of them. Simply because i know what i'm doing in a Blaster BS. And ofc the 4-5 man gang that was on me did some few mistakes.
There is endless with ways you can fight on Sisi. Your just dumb as a monkey if you cannot see why Sisi is a good way to test out the performance on your ships.
And ask anyone who are on Sisi how much i have been on Sisi the last 3 months. I have probably been there for max 1 week in total.
3. How about you do everybody a favor and go away until you have some more IQ and skills to use Blasters right?.
4. Does it matter if Leilani use more Rails and Lasers than Blasters?, i'm not asking on what weapon that is most used. I'm telling that he can use the weapons he's using very good. And yes, Leilani can use his Blasters extremely good like he have shows many times now. That's what it's all about, if he can use the weapons good or not.
5. And to the last thing. OMG, look, must call NightmareX for things because that makes me look uber cool and it shows that i'm the king of talking and know what i'm talking about waaaaah waaaahhh and must call him for more things because that makes you more right than me.
RIIIIIIIGGGHHHHT Murina, the PRO king of PVPer?. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 15:42:27
Originally by: NightmareX
As i have said like trillion of times now. In the 3 years i have been testing a Blaster Mega or other Blaster BS'es on sisi, i have been testing EVERY damn possible PVP situations you can think of there.
3 years of testing without using what you tested on TQ ever???????.
You PLAY on sissi you do not test anything.
YOU ARE A PATHETIC CLUELESS LOSER.
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:43:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 15:45:58
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 15:42:27
Originally by: NightmareX
As i have said like trillion of times now. In the 3 years i have been testing a Blaster Mega or other Blaster BS'es on sisi, i have been testing EVERY damn possible PVP situations you can think of there.
3 years of testing without using what you tested on TQ ever???????.
You PLAY on sissi you do not test anything.
YOU ARE A PATHETIC CLUELESS LOSER.
Yeah, and in all of those 3 years i have never had issues with Blasters.
Does that tells you something?. I don't have issues now and i doubt i will have any issues withthem either now.
No i don't live on Sisi now smartypants. I live on TQ now when i have the time to play.
There is more important stuffs to do in our alliance than being on Sisi right now.
And lol @ you for not being able to write Sisi right. It's not Sissi it's Sisi or Singularity if you want that.
LOL when you don't even know how to write the name Sisi right, then i doubt you even know how it is on Sisi.
Oh look at the bear tears. Had to call me names again. I hope you feel proud of that.
Oh btw. A protip to you. You wont be more right than me just for calling me names if you don't know that.
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NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
Yeah, and in all of those 3 years i have never had issues with Blasters on Sisi. And i can for sure say that when i haven't had a single issue with Blasters in those 3 years with testing then in EVERY possible situations that is possible to test out in on Sisi, then i believe i wont have any issues on TQ either. Simple as that.
Does that tells you something?. I don't have issues now and i doubt i will have any issues withthem either now.
IT TELLS ME AND EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN EVE WITH ANY XP THAT YOU ARE A LIAR AND A FOOL AND HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT BLASTER PVP ON TQ.
IF BLASTERS WERE SO GOOD YOU WOULD HAVE USED THEM ON TQ AT LEAST ONCE BUT YOU NEVER HAVE, AND SAYING THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TESTING THEM FOR ALL THAT TIME IS JUST MORE OF YOUR USUAL BULL.
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Oh the rabble rabble rabble here is just epicly fun to read.
Anyways. You better shut up and be on topic before it's to late.
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oniplE
Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:08:00 -
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new thread pls. x |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Oh the rabble rabble rabble here is just epicly fun to read.
Anyways. You better shut up and be on topic before it's to late.
The silly troll you post on here is amusing to read.
Anyways. Maybe if you had even ONE kill (or even a loss) on TQ in a blaster BS you would be slightly less of a joke. |
Fatality Killer
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Fatality Killer on 25/05/2009 16:45:30
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
Oh the rabble rabble rabble here is just epicly fun to read.
Anyways. You better shut up and be on topic before it's to late.
The silly troll you post on here is amusing to read.
Anyways. Maybe if you had even ONE kill (or even a loss) on TQ in a blaster BS you would be slightly less of a joke.
Can't you get your silly troll ass out of this topic if you have nothing meaningfull to add?.
I'm telling my experience with Blasters and that's on topic though.
EDIT: Posted with my wonderfull alt. |
Allen Ramses
Caldari Typo Corp
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:48:00 -
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Seriously, why is Murina allowed to post in this forum? |
NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 16:57:41
Originally by: Allen Ramses Seriously, why is Murina allowed to post in this forum?
Same question.
I know i can be stupid to someone here, but i'm telling my experience on how Blasters is for me at least. Nothing wrong with that. I'm on-topic most of the times except for when Murina is doing his epicly trolls / crying / whining here.
It's in fact him that are taking every of those topics off-topic.
And just so you know it Murina, your already reported 3 times now. That's why i said shut up before it's to late longer up here on this page. |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:00:00 -
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Cleaned again.
Do not let this thread become a TQ v Singularity conflict.
Any future off-topic remarks in posts will be met with forum bans.
Mitnal Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us |
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 17:03:01
Anyway i do not see how a increase in blaster tracking and a reduction in laser tracking is a problem, after all pulse can track cruisers ect at their longer optimal ranges due to how range effects tracking so i do not see why blasters should not be able to do the same in their optimal as well.
That means the smaller ships get close to laser BS to avoid/reduce incoming dmg and stay at range from blaster ships to avoid/reduce dmg. Right now blasters are getting screwed at short and long ranges as the cannot track in close and do not have range either.
Blasters and AC also need to do more DPS aty 10-20km, the mega needs more CPU and the hyperion needs more PG and maybe CPU as well.
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Sgt Napalm
SiN. Corp Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:07:00 -
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Signing support for OP. CCP Nozh appears to have disappeared as of late. The simple aspect is that with the web nerf blasters have become in effective and are in need of a bonus swap to counter the tracking issue.
Also posting that Nightmare X has no clue if they are working as intended. At least with that toon. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=NightmareX&filter=losses#show |
NightmareX
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 17:15:09
Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 17:03:01
Anyway i do not see how a increase in blaster tracking and a reduction in laser tracking is a problem, after all pulse can track cruisers ect at their longer optimal ranges due to how range effects tracking so i do not see why blasters should not be able to do the same in their optimal as well.
That means the smaller ships get close to laser BS to avoid/reduce incoming dmg and stay at range from blaster ships to avoid/reduce dmg. Right now blasters are getting screwed at short and long ranges as the cannot track in close and do not have range either.
Blasters and AC also need to do more DPS aty 10-20km, the mega needs more CPU and the hyperion needs more PG and maybe CPU as well.
If you don't know it yet, the tracking on Lasers are way to high atm.
The ONLY reason the lasers got a tracking boost some years ago was so they could hit the fast cruisers and HAC's better.
And what happened not so long time ago?, yes the speed was nerfed pretty hard. And then the Lasers still have that boosted tracking now when that tracking boost isn't really needed.
Lasers will still track pretty good at longer distanced without the tracking boost they got.
And that's why boosting the tracking on Blasters just so they can be more inline with Lasers is stupid.
I rather see the webs changed from 60 to 70% instead of messing with the tracking on all of the close / med range turrets.
Originally by: Sgt Napalm Also posting that Nightmare X has no clue if they are working as intended. At least with that toon. http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view.php?type=player&name=NightmareX&filter=losses#show
So your saying that in all of those 3 years i have been testing out Blasters in every possible ways you can test Blasters in on Sisi and never have had ANY issues at all. Are you then saying that the Blasters must have issues while i have never come across a single issue at all in those 3 years?.
In 3 years of using Blasters on Sisi, i should clearly have seen some issues with Blasters if there REALLY have been some issues. Right?.
I also ONLY listen to the players in EVE i know 100% that are good with Blasters. And all of those i know and have been talking with that use Blaster BS'es all day long are saying that Blasters is fine. Just ask Darknesss and Leilani Solaris for example.
They know their stuffs when it's about Blaster BS'es.
I don't know how you guys use Blasters, but for me it looks like there is something fked up in your experience or skills tbh. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Murina
Anyway i do not see how a increase in blaster tracking and a reduction in laser tracking is a problem, after all pulse can track cruisers ect at their longer optimal ranges due to how range effects tracking so i do not see why blasters should not be able to do the same in their optimal as well.
That means the smaller ships get close to laser BS to avoid/reduce incoming dmg and stay at range from blaster ships to avoid/reduce dmg. Right now blasters are getting screwed at short and long ranges as the cannot track in close and do not have range either.
Blasters and AC also need to do more DPS aty 10-20km, the mega needs more CPU and the hyperion needs more PG and maybe CPU as well.
If you don't know it yet, the tracking on Lasers are way to high atm.
The ONLY reason the lasers got a tracking boost some years ago was so they could hit the fast cruisers and HAC's better.
And what happened not so long time ago?, yes the speed was nerfed pretty hard. And then the Lasers still have that boosted tracking now when that tracking boost isn't really needed.
Lasers will still track pretty good at longer distanced without the tracking boost they got.
So why state the obvious that everybody already knows?.
Originally by: NightmareX And that's why boosting the tracking on Blasters just so they can be more inline with Lasers is stupid.
So you think nerfing lasers will fix the problems with blasters?....
Originally by: NightmareX I rather see the webs changed from 60 to 70% instead of messing with the tracking on all of the close / med range turrets.
Quick fixes like that are a sign of lazy ppl and programmers as well as the fact that a increase in web effectiveness is also essentially a buff to ALL turret systems including lasers.
Well thgought out adjustments cause a lot less problems down the line than just whacking a general adjustment into the games programming. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 17:35:03
Originally by: NightmareX
So your saying that in all of those 3 years i have been testing out Blasters in every possible ways you can test Blasters in on Sisi and never have had ANY issues at all. Are you then saying that the Blasters must have issues while i have never come across a single issue at all in those 3 years?.
In 3 years of using Blasters on Sisi, i should clearly have seen some issues with Blasters if there REALLY have been some issues. Right?.
The very fact you CLAIM (as i think you are lying about "testing everyting blaster BS can do") to have been testing for 3 years but have never flown one on TQ shows you have 0 practical TQ XP with them.
Originally by: NightmareX I also ONLY listen to the players in EVE i know 100% that are good with Blasters. And all of those i know and have been talking with that use Blaster BS'es all day long are saying that Blasters is fine. Just ask Darknesss and Leilani Solaris for example.
1. You only listen to ppl who you think agree with you, but so far ABP who you mentioned used more pulse and rails than blasters, and the guy who made the vids (Farjung) also shot you down in flames when you tried to use his PAST experiances.
2. I do not see either of those ppl posting in this thread.
3. I do see a LOT of ppl with blaster XP telling you that you are totally wrong and that blasters need fixing....but like i said its only ppl who agree with you that you copnsider worth listening to.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX And that's why boosting the tracking on Blasters just so they can be more inline with Lasers is stupid.
So you think nerfing lasers will fix the problems with blasters?....
It will fix most of the things you guys are crying about.
The only reason why you guys want a boost to the tracking on Blasters is because Lasers have so good tracking in the distance where Blasters should be the best.
And because the Lasers ONLY got the boost to tracking to his fast cruisers and HAC's better, then the Lasers tracking is overpowered today.
Because if the speed on our ships today had been like this before the Lasers got the tracking boost, then the Lasers simply wouldn't get the tracking boost at all.
Just think about that.
There is a clear reason why we should not increase the tracking on Blasters or Autocannons so they can be inline with Lasers. it's the Lasers who need the nerf.
And because you have issues with Blasters because your doing something wrong doesn't mean Blasters have issues.
If i have been one of the main Devs who are programming about this stuffs, the first thing i would fix now is the tracking formula, and then reduce the Lasers tracking to how it was before it got the tracking boost.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 25/05/2009 17:37:26
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
So your saying that in all of those 3 years i have been testing out Blasters in every possible ways you can test Blasters in on Sisi and never have had ANY issues at all. Are you then saying that the Blasters must have issues while i have never come across a single issue at all in those 3 years?.
In 3 years of using Blasters on Sisi, i should clearly have seen some issues with Blasters if there REALLY have been some issues. Right?.
The very fact you CLAIM to have been testing for 3 years but have never flown one on TQ shows you are either lying or have 0 practicle XP.
Originally by: NightmareX I also ONLY listen to the players in EVE i know 100% that are good with Blasters. And all of those i know and have been talking with that use Blaster BS'es all day long are saying that Blasters is fine. Just ask Darknesss and Leilani Solaris for example.
1. You only listen to ppl who you think agree with you, but so far ABP who you mentioned used more pulse and rails than blasters, and the guy who made the vids also shot you down in flames when you tried to use his PAST experiances.
2. I do not see either of those ppl posting in this thread.
3. I do see a LOT of ppl with blaster XP telling you that you are totally wrong and that blasters need fixing....but like i said its only ppl who agree with you that you copnsider worth listening to.
To the first thing. So by this, i can say your lying to now. If you can say i'm lying, then for sure, i can say your lying to.
1. I listen to peoples that have shown many many times both from killboards and movies and by letting me see how good they are in real PVP ON TQ.
I don't listen to crybabys who only want CCP to hold their hands because they can't handle the new things you have to do in PVP now after the speed and webbers was nerfed.
2. Do you know why they wont post here?. Because they wont make you to shut up and get it into your thin head that Blasters is fine no matter what.
If you only could have listened to Blaster experts like Darknesss, Leilani Solaris and many others who don't have issues with Blasters because they have adapted to the new changes and have found new ways to use their Blaster BS'es.
3. Yeah those peoples are really really lazy peoples who are bitter because their ultimate pwn machine got nerfed a little. OMG they can't insta pwn frigs and cruiser anymore, they have to work for their kills waaaaah.
They should grow up and adapt like many others have been doing already.
A Gallente BS'es was easy mode before. Now it's medium mode. Amarr BS'es went from hard mode to easy mode. Minmatar are still extremely hard more though.
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Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 25/05/2009 17:46:40
Originally by: NightmareX
1. I listen to peoples that have shown many many times both from killboards and movies and by letting me see how good they are in real PVP ON TQ.
Really?...
Originally by: Farjung Give up on blasters. The game has moved on and their only use is ganking empire bears on a station".
Originally by: NightmareX Do you know why they wont post here?. Because they wont make you to shut up and get it into your thin head that Blasters is fine no matter what.
You hope that is why considering the spanking your last alliance gave you...
Originally by: ChalSto For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Murina
Originally by: NightmareX
1. I listen to peoples that have shown many many times both from killboards and movies and by letting me see how good they are in real PVP ON TQ.
Really?...
Originally by: Farjung Give up on blasters. The game has moved on and their only use is ganking empire bears on a station".
Originally by: NightmareX Do you know why they wont post here?. Because they wont make you to shut up and get it into your thin head that Blasters is fine no matter what.
You hope thant why considering the spanking your last alliance gave you...
Originally by: ChalSto For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
You DO NOT listen to anybody pal.
1. Yes really. But do you listen to the Blaster experts at all?.
2. I didn't get any spank from the last alliance i was in. ChalSto is a player like you and Bellum who only can cry and let CCP do the job for you by boosting things for you when things gets changed so things get more challenging.
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Posted - 2009.05.25 17:49:00 -
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Blasters need fixed? What? I hurd they did good damage. Better than my large ACs.
Why dont you just get over your blasters needing fixed. I have got over my ACs.
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