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Sam Flynn
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:39:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Quote:Your making this easier than ganking a botting hulk, of which I've killed (for sure, pods kept warping back to the belt...) four. *YOU* are the OP, YOU made the assertions, assumptions and presented your conclusions. The burden of proof is on *YOU*. You have no proof, because you had no facts. I did *not* start the thread - burden of proof is not on me and I called *your* conclusions into doubt, because your proofs were vaporware... Nice try. Highsec mining declined by nearly 50% after Hulkageddon began. You are claiming that the massive drop in highsec mining was a result of a massive bot-ban during the week before Hulkageddon. The burden of proof to establish this phantom bot-banning is, as I said, on you. So far, you have provided a lot of whining, but no evidence whatsoever. You have failed to even begin to meet your burden of proof. If you are not claiming that the massive drop in highsec mining after Hulkageddon began was due to bot-banning, then your entire series of posts is moot. In which case I invite you to contribute something meaningful to the thread. Quote:A) That is a report of new *ICE* mining bots... B) The report is limited to two or three factual (as much as anything not from CCP) posts, and the rest discussing it or trolling it - so your conclusion that "the mining of ore in hi-sec did *NOT* decline do to a drop in botting" is totally, completely made up. C) Your "Dedicated Bot Watchers" don't seem to be talking about the same subject you were... D) You also make the declarative statement that "there was *no* mass-banning of bots by CCP - again, burden of proof is on *you* to back up your assertion with fact. The fact is, you *can't*. E) you then try to conflate Ice mining bots, with Ore mining bots (which I will readily agree - not much difference) but again, you have *zero* proof... Once again, you have entirely misinterpreted the situation. Since CCP does not announce "we did not perform a massive bot ban this week," the question of whether a bot ban occurred must be presented in an alternate fashion, otherwise you are asking me to prove a negative--even though the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Once again, here's how you can provide evidence to support your bot-banning theory: 1. An announcement by CCP that they performed a mass bot-ban during the week in question. 2. Evidence from botting/uncensored forums that people lost their bots. 3. Anecdotal evidence of bot-banning. Note that I'm being generous by allowing you to include #3. But you haven't even supplied anything from that category. So I'll challenge you a second time: Provide some proof that a mass bot ban occurred during the week in question, or concede to common sense. As for my common-sense position, it's informed by the absence of any evidence of bot-banning. Even on the permissive category #3, anecdotal evidence suggests a visible bot presence. (The fact that bots mine ice is, as you say, an irrelevant distinction.) Absent an official announcement from CCP that says "we didn't do a massive bot-ban that week," that's all the evidence you can get that a bot-ban didn't occur--it's a dog that didn't bark--no announcement, no evidence from botters, and no anecdotal bot banning evidence. To ask for more than that--particularly when there is no evidence to suggest otherwise--indicates you are either willfully ignorant, or you are being intellectually dishonest. Let me be clear. You can't hide behind statements like "the burden of proof is on you" when all possible proof has already been provided you, and you can't rebut it. 9% is an extremely conservative estimate. If I had claimed 50% or 75% of mining was done by bots, you might have a point, since that would be speculative. But even if botters only account for 9% of mining, I am still correct in saying the majority of human mining stopped, since the drop was at least 50% of the remainder--unless your phantom bot ban happened to occur right before Hulkageddon. Of course, if you wish to make the absurd claim that botting is less than 9% of the total, you're free to provide some evidence, but I have a feeling you won't be able to deliver. Your opinions haven't proven to be of much worth so far.
Im with him on this. Removing Highsec mining is a poor choice as SO MANY OF US ARE TRYING TO EXPLAIN!!! |
Grumpy Owly
608
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:41:00 -
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Andemnon Kohort wrote:Ziranda Hakuli wrote:Blowing up a defensless exhumer is NOT PVP!!!! PVP doesnt have to be voluntary, or fair..
For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Like to try and get even against nefarious acts?
Want to validate a potential Career path in GëívGëí with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?
Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume?
You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in GëívGëí where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve?
Or simply want to make GëívGëí less boring?
Support: Bounty Hunting for CSM7.
CCP Design panel wrote: "It's going to be awesome."
"It's absolutley on the list of things to do."
"We have a spaceships game, but you can't be han solo or boba fett, that's not clever."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=_pLi1J9YrkM#t=1199s
Or you could just sit back and complain about being a space pinata? Bounty Hunting for CSM7
Want to know more? ;) |
Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
18
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Posted - 2012.05.24 23:58:00 -
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I want to thank you all, there are so many delicous astroids for me to consume in high sec now this is awesome, and using an osprey is a refreshing change, i feel like i am back in 2004, naww to be young again,
The belts are almost as populated as they were back in 2004 with roids as well, very pretty to see a roid bigger than a watermelon |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
133
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:27:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:technically miners are not pilots.
Really?... oh, that's right we are... ZOMBIE Pilots!... *passes out some credit default swaps and shoots at some veldspar* it's all about the Frame Rate... |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.05.25 00:53:00 -
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James 315 wrote:
1. Did CCP announce a mass bot-banning? 2. Did the botter/uncensored forums light up with activity complaining about bans? 3. Was there any anecdotal evidence indicating bot banning?
The answer to all three of these, so far, is a resounding "no." The only thing that happened during the relevant period was Burn Jita and Hulkageddon. ]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed. Three yes, a few weeks after all this public banning we began to see a rise in market prices. Makes sense takes the market a while to adjust. Here don't believe me, see for yourself: http://bit.ly/JgnmXp
Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1742
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:00:00 -
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Lucy Ferrr wrote:I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed. CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon. The question isn't whether there have been mass bot bannings in the past, but whether there was a mass bot banning between those two weeks. If not, then the drop in mining from the two weeks compared was due to a drop in human mining (due to Hulkageddon), not from bot banning.
As you said, the botter forums reacted to the bot bannings. If there was a huge bot banning right before Hulkageddon--leading to a drop of nearly 50% in highsec mining!--we would expect some noise from them. But there hasn't been.
So basically, instead of attacking my argument, you're reinforcing it.
Quote:Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant. Right back at ya, superfly |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
276
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:38:00 -
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No, the huge bot-ban was right before FanFest. 5+ weeks BEFORE Hulkageddon.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:55:00 -
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Zeko Rena wrote:I want to thank you all, there are so many delicous astroids for me to consume in high sec now this is awesome, and using an osprey is a refreshing change, i feel like i am back in 2004, naww to be young again, The belts are almost as populated as they were back in 2004 with roids as well, very pretty to see a roid bigger than a watermelon
Screw an osprey, use a covetor lol by the time you get caught, IF you get caught youve made up the cost of it http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Torneach
The Last Bastion
166
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Posted - 2012.05.25 01:58:00 -
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Can this thread just die already?
Tired of seeing something reminiscent of 1930s European dictator speeches. |
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 03:55:00 -
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Just stop feeding this troll. |
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Large Marg
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:10:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Lucy Ferrr wrote:I love how you come and spout off things you have no idea about. One, yes CCP did announce mass bot banning. Two, the botter forms were completely full of tears for like a month, it was wonderful. I assume one could still harvest quite a few tears on the botter forms today. I am almost positive that CCP even released stats for removed assets from RMT/botters, and it number in the trillions of isk/assets removed. CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon. The question isn't whether there have been mass bot bannings in the past, but whether there was a mass bot banning between those two weeks. If not, then the drop in mining from the two weeks compared was due to a drop in human mining (due to Hulkageddon), not from bot banning. As you said, the botter forums reacted to the bot bannings. If there was a huge bot banning right before Hulkageddon--leading to a drop of nearly 50% in highsec mining!--we would expect some noise from them. But there hasn't been. So basically, instead of attacking my argument, you're reinforcing it. Quote:Educate your self so you don't sound so ignorant. Right back at ya, superfly
So what kind of noise can players make for using BOTS when its against the rules?
"How dare you ban me for illegal use of a bot! I demand you unban me right this instant." |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.05.25 04:41:00 -
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James 315 wrote:CCP Diagoras' statistics were based on a comparison between the week before Hulkageddon, and a week during Hulkageddon.
I believe you're mistaken about that.
Which is rather disappointing as you cited the tweet yourself.
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John Caligan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:03:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Quote:Yes, the current stockpiles will last a long time, and YES there will still be SOME income, but it will all be in losec, where everything will have turned into mass resources wars. Picture what would happen if the real world suddenly ran out of fossil fuels and the only way left to power things were national reserves. Extermination of hisec mining would be that ONE HUNDREDFOLD. None of that sounds like a bad thing for EVE, in fact you paint a rather positive picture...
/facepalm
It would drive new players away from the game, and possibly existing ones as well. Believe it or not, the vast majority of people looking to play MMOs like EVE, which run on the high end of the price range due to superior quality, and have no Free to Play option (A good thing, in my opinion), are NOT looking for an all-out killfest. In fact, calling for actions that would leave to massacres in all sectors of space, both high and low sec, would drive away more people than just miners. You're going to drive away the people who like the storyline but not necessarily PvP, but don't mind it's existance. You're going to drive away Incursion runners, RPers, and other groups. If "Carebearing" and highsec mining is akin to sinking EVE, than resource wars equate to dropping a Thermonuclear Bomb on it.
Plus, by calling all highsec miners evil, you really do ignore and insult those of us who mine in hisec just because there's a lot of potential money to be made in them there belts, and who don't really mind if someone comes along and tries to shoot at us because we have drones and also have already aligned to a station like a good miner so we really don't have to worry about ganking from anything Cruiser sized and above. Or just set the drones on T1 frigs. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
555
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Posted - 2012.05.25 12:07:00 -
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We don't want miners to leave. We just want the miners who, after getting killed, immediately whine and call for CCP to implement massive carebear protection measures, to leave. |
Futchmacht
TERRA CORE INDUSTRIES
0
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Posted - 2012.05.25 13:14:00 -
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Im a miner.. and all the Goons are doing is making my mining business increase...
years ago before the wide use of high sec bot miners. and in the days before the drone regoins even existed.. ore prices were in some cases higher then they are now.. a raven costed 120 million not 80. becuase mineral prices where higher.
In those times when T2 mining ships didnt exist minerals were also higher priced due to it taking longer to get them our of the belts.
All this is going to do is make mining MORE profitable for the miners that still take the "chance" to mine.
At this point the decrease is actually good for miners.. goons are not the only ones that are making money off this plan lol...
And if goons think they are alone in making money off the distruction of miners in low sec ... lol let them keep thinking that while the miners of eve make more money then they did 6 months ago.
If mineral prices go up 2x or 3x past old prices all that does is make one load of minerals make us more money... and its not like they are ganking the same one player over and over.. they are hitting different systems (or what they know is high miner systems over a few times in a row).
When mineral prices increase to old (3 to 5 year old prices) high sec mining corps will grow in size because noobs in mining ships will be able to make more money then doing missions.
When i started the game mining was THE NUMBER # way to make money as a noob hands down. those days might be on there way back and if so. old school miners like myself who always keep stockpiles of minerals will sell them off and make a good profit doing so.
Even if a ship is lost here and there to gankers. over all most miners or smart eve players will find a way to make more money then they lose. |
ReiAnn
Nova-Tek
3
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Posted - 2012.05.26 23:48:00 -
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I really love how its either carebear this or ganker that...You really have such a small idea of the real picture. It's not about minerals, isk or fun. It's about a select group getting to control the game for the entire group. |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
217
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:15:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:We don't want miners to leave. We just want the miners who, after getting killed, immediately whine and call for CCP to implement massive carebear protection measures, to leave.
Oh we just want miners to get back into more unarmed ships so we can shoot them some more, we are so leet .
Allow mining ships hulks and such to fit weapons. Enough to be able to take down those brave carebear pvp pilots (what could be more carebear than shooting things that can't shoot back) and allow them to tank a bit more. That would just be natural evolution. |
Vermillion Sands
XaV Enterprises Games of Divinity
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 00:28:00 -
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@OP Basically alot of shite |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.27 03:01:00 -
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ReiAnn wrote:I really love how its either carebear this or ganker that...You really have such a small idea of the real picture. It's not about minerals, isk or fun. It's about a select group getting to control the game for the entire group.
Complete and utter domination of a channel of media is the best fun. Just ask Rupert Murdoch! |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2192
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Posted - 2012.05.27 04:29:00 -
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This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right. |
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EVE Alphonse Elric
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 04:39:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right.
Wait this guy isnt a Goon, didnt THEY say they wanted to destroy the game? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2193
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:07:00 -
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EVE Alphonse Elric wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right. Wait this guy isnt a Goon, didnt THEY say they wanted to destroy the game?
Well, they say they want to ruin everybody's game, which basically will cause players to leave and eventually destroy the game due to no subscriptions.
As for the op, probably affiliated with them in one way or another, either an alt char or ally.
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Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:32:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right.
And what you are doing here is a slippery slope argument. It is a logical fallacy. Also, we don't want to destroy all miners, just the highsec ones. And we don't want to destroy all mission ships, just the pimped out multi billion is pimpmobile ones. And destroying ganking ships is just silly, how and why would one do that? Also, we dont want to destroy all industrial ships, just the ones hauling cargo out of proportion for the survivability of the ship.
Ultimately, this is all just economic manipulation. We're removing the competition. |
Keno Skir
129
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:39:00 -
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Nobody has ever mentioned to me in a year of playing, that they have or have seen a miner get ganked. In fact mining seems to me to be a more popular passtime than ever, judging by the number of people i talk to who are miners.
Bots get banned, general population is very down due to summer, diablo 3 etc
OP is trying to bush out his results to fit what he would like them to say. The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
Alia Gon'die
Aliastra Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:40:00 -
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Alec Freeman wrote:Dreadknoght Lomaree wrote:You are an idiot if you think that mineral inputs droppng 50% is a good thing...
Where do you think that every ship in eve came from? Every ship that dies in hulkaggedon, the miner & the ganker, costs minerals to build. Now, miners in high-sec bring in the largest total of minerals in eve, and you think this is a good thing? You think miners will want to go into low-sec or 0.0 when all of this is going on?
Yeah, lets see you in a few weeks when ships begin to increase in price 10-fold (which means tens of millions of isk for a single frigate!)
And im not even talking about the destroyed modules prices...
Some men just like to watch the world burn.
Some men just luv2sell mins at high prices. |
EVE Edward Elric
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:48:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote: Also, we dont want to destroy all industrial ships, just the all of them.
However it is nice to see you arent walking back the "we want to destroy your game" like you pretend it means something other than what was said. That was even sillier than pretending hulkageddon was anything other than tear collection and pretending Helicity isnt a Mittani alt
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Marcus Caspius
Vitriol Ventures Tribal Dragons
44
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Posted - 2012.05.27 05:55:00 -
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Be careful what you wish for... |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2193
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Posted - 2012.05.27 06:56:00 -
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Alia Gon'die wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right. And what you are doing here is a slippery slope argument. It is a logical fallacy. Also, we don't want to destroy all miners, just the highsec ones. And we don't want to destroy all mission ships, just the pimped out multi billion is pimpmobile ones. And destroying ganking ships is just silly, how and why would one do that? Also, we dont want to destroy all industrial ships, just the ones hauling cargo out of proportion for the survivability of the ship. Ultimately, this is all just economic manipulation. We're removing the competition. No, what I did is post a simple logical progression illustrating the irony of your little Jihad and the resulting outcome if it continues. The only slippery slope here is your reply which in itself is a complete fallacy, not to mention a contradiction and a flat out lie. Other than that, I guess you didn't understand my statement due to it being so simplified. Let me make it a bit more specific, just for you.
This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness.
Gankers destroy Mining ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Industrial ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Mission ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game.
Gankers destroy Ganking ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game.
Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions..
What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved.
Yeah, you're winning the war all right.
Alia Gon'die wrote:And destroying ganking ships is just silly, how and why would one do that? Duh, because there's no other player ships left in Eve !!!
And that's the logical conclusion when you eliminate the competition. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
563
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Posted - 2012.05.27 07:21:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, what I did is post a simple logical progression illustrating the irony of your little Jihad and the resulting outcome if it continues. The only slippery slope here is your reply which in itself is a complete fallacy, not to mention a contradiction and a flat out lie. Other than that, I guess you didn't understand my statement due to it being so simplified. Let me make it a bit more specific, just for you. This 'Genocide' that you're calling for is nothing more than a deliberate and systematic destruction of this game. So let's review this madness. Gankers destroy Mining ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game. Gankers destroy Industrial ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game. Gankers destroy Mission ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game. Gankers destroy Ganking ships not affiliated with their Alliance resulting in those players leaving the game. Eve Online becomes Eve Offline due to no more player subscriptions.. What you're doing is called MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) = Effectively resulting in the complete annihilation of everyone involved. Yeah, you're winning the war all right. Alia Gon'die wrote:And destroying ganking ships is just silly, how and why would one do that? Duh, because there's no other player ships left in Eve !!! And that's the logical conclusion when you eliminate the competition. The two massive holes in your logic (if your drivel can even be called that) are:
1. That that gankers destroy all mining, industrial, mission and ganking (???) ships, instead of just the ones that are improperly fit and/or being flown by imbeciles.
2. That the players piloting said ships will certainly leave if their ships get destroyed. If ship destruction leads to quitting in absolutely every case, then each and every subscription can't be viewed as anything more than temporary, because it is nigh impossible to play this game and not be destroyed at some point.
Yet this game has grown from a few thousand subscribers (and a time when space was indeed much less safe), to what it is today; an overpopulated cesspool of cowardly, over-entitled, self-proclaimed sperglords. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
563
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Posted - 2012.05.27 07:26:00 -
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Talon SilverHawk wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:We don't want miners to leave. We just want the miners who, after getting killed, immediately whine and call for CCP to implement massive carebear protection measures, to leave. Oh we just want miners to get back into more unarmed ships so we can shoot them some more, we are so leet . Allow mining ships hulks and such to fit weapons. Enough to be able to take down those brave carebear pvp pilots (what could be more carebear than shooting things that can't shoot back) and allow them to tank a bit more. That would just be natural evolution. You can make a special exemption for high-sec miners to be allowed to fly titans without any restrictions, and they will still fill every high slot with strips and every low with yield mods and cargo expanders.
It's not about ship stats, and never has been; it's about attitude. |
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