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SentryRaven
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang can someone plz link were it says that scamming is a form of pvp and should be totally free from repurcusions. also the term pvp suggests the ability for 1 player to be able to attack someone by whatever means howether this has the added effect that the affected person can counter this. scamming has no counter... plz dont say read it.. that isnt a counter that is a prevention. in combat pvp you can prevent it by staying out of low sec and not falling for bait traps. howether if you do fall into these traps then you can fight back. you cannot fight bk a scammer in any way at all. so in effect it is not and never will be pvp
Your counter in market pvp is called "Common Sense" and "Brainz 1.0". You can prevent being scammed by checking the contract, by checking the price of the item and by getting feedback from players you trust or know.
You cannot make any system moron-proof, but EVE already offers enough ways to make your transactions secure, but they will never hold your hand. Do your homework and be rewarded, be a lazy idiot, you get scammed.
Cold hard world and so on... :) --------
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang *snip*
You call it prevention, but prevention in this case is the only counter. The less people fall for scams, the more likely the scams are to die out.
Scams only exist, because there is a target group for them.
Now taking into account that this is EVE we talk about, this target group will never cease to exist, so in a way, scams are not counterable.
But they are still a valid form of PvP, though through a different definition. --------
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang Edited by: kongking wang on 25/05/2009 09:51:15 definition of pve - player attackes enviroment.. enviroment fights back definition of pvp - player attacks player.. player fights back
scamming.... were does that come into the above
Your definition is therefore different than is mine. Look over here for example: Wikipedia: PvP
My definition of PvP is that a Player attempt to compete against another Player and is trying to gain an advantage over him. The means on how they compete, I do not care.
Combat in ships, combat on market or contracts or a smacking contest in local, to me this is all PvP. A situation where a player competes with another player, irrespective of the means or the item/asset/value being competed with or about. --------
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang
higlited are your quotes which to me say competition. scamming has no element of competition. when competing you are putting yourself against another person be it in skills or whits etc.scamming is 1 sided.. pvp is 2 sided
quote from wikipedia : where players compete against each other
against each other being the key words..
Highligting back the important part from what you quoted. Scamming is basically PVP with your smartness against the scammers smartness.
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang
Originally by: Eriandia Market Ganking, then, should make all of you PvP technicality people happy.
and ganking is pvp of a sort.
flawed because ganking can be countered
You mean prevented, right? --------
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SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: SentryRaven on 25/05/2009 10:27:54
Originally by: kongking wang
scamming howether what do you do. nothing because there is no comeback for it
How would you classify scamming back then?
NINJA-EDIT: Where are you pulling your definition of PvP from, that you actually need to have the possibility to counter it? |
SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: kongking wang
thats the whole point. you cannot scam bk
Why exactly not? |
SentryRaven
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.25 10:40:00 -
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To be honest, we are circling around the definitions of PvP and apparently yours is different than mine. Let's just agree that we disagree.
Scamming is part of the game and I think it is what I would call "taxes for the stupid". You have all the means to prevent being scammed and essentially it's your own problem if you get scammed.
I wish you well with your attempt to abolish scamming, but I disagree with it and hope scamming will never be removed. |
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