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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Vrabac on 28/05/2009 12:44:20
Originally by: Raven Owa
Quote: But really there is no need to try and explain others how you're better- because you're not
Here is where the problem is, The argument was NEVER we are better than anyone ( at least for me) It was that dishonoring ransoms is NOT bad for business at least not for what we do.
This wasn't directed to you, but to your corpmate since that's what his argumentation turned into. So all is good.
P.S.
Page snipah \o/
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac ...(even the me who the unbelievably resourceful ghsc intelligence expert failed to notice [:lol]
Ok, you've graduated to certifiable arseface.
I know you think you're so important that someone such as myself should make more than a passing glance, but it just ain't true, cousin. I could care less if you have alts in every corp and alliance in the game. It's not my job to scrutinize you, nor would I want to.
It is, however, quite obvious that your face resembles most people's backsides (in game), you're a killmail ***** (in game), and you apparently enjoy hearing yourself talk.
I think you need to take a step back and realize you just don't really matter that much. I know it's sobering, but it's called "reality".
On second thought, maybe you *are* the center of the Eve universe. With that in mind, are you guys hiring?
Alright, your passing glance is over.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: M'ing Pai someone such as myself should make more than a passing glance
(...)
I think you need to take a step back and realize you just don't really matter that much.
One of us needs to...
Funny, I never actually mentioned my kills and killmail whoring or my amount of awesomness until you did, apart from matching Raven's examples of nice kills and faction drops and remarking on his claim that low sec means 1000 bull**** kills. But that would require you to read in order to notice. And you seem to reply and post too much about stuff you couldn't care less about to do such base activity as read other people's posts.
Tip about holding a conversation, calling others names signifies frustration and inability to make your point in a cohesive manner, either because of being plain wrong or because of bad verbal skills - or turning your thoughts into words. Which btw brings us to the point of your point: what is it? Apart from a strong impression you simply like to talk about me.
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: M''ing Pai on 28/05/2009 15:54:08
Originally by: Vrabac ... more blatant stupidity ...
Fine, I'll indulge you.
As you so feebly are attempting to demonstrate yourself, when one levies accusations against another, common wisdom dictates that one must be free from those same defects. While you might not have blatantly stated you were "awesome" and "leet" when you attacked our patient ever-married counterpart, you certainly implied it by opening yourself up to scrutiny.
Hell, I thought I was doing you a favor by taking the bait. You're either playing dumb, or are just too stupid to realize what an amazing service I'm providing.
Can you really consider what I did "calling others names"? As I said before, I just call it like I see it. Is it poor form to point out that a mouth-breather is a mouth-breather? Maybe, but I'll be the first to admit I think social niceties are a pointless waste of time.
My point? In short: don't measure other people by a stick you aren't prepared to be measured by.
I'm sorry you're too daft to have devised this on your own.
Edit: as to your quote, I was implying that you're not really important enough for anyone to take more than a passing note of, not trying to prop myself up. Sorry I wasn't dumbing it down enough for you.
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: M'ing Pai you attacked our patient ever-married counterpart
I did no such thing. We actually had a pleasant chat. It is interesting how he and most of the people I was directly talking to had way more patience for all the points I was bringing out than you, who weren't in any way related to the subject. You got offended in other people's behalf. Romantic.
Originally by: M'ing Pai Can you really consider what I did "calling others names"?
Yes, calling people arsefaces or blatantly stupid is usually considered to be calling names.
Originally by: M'ing Pai My point? In short: don't measure other people by a stick you aren't prepared to be measured by.
Your point is as I expected missed, because I'm perfectly prepared to be measured by the same stick, if you insist on doing it. I really have nothing to be ashamed of. If you want to check, feel free to. You don't have time to do more than a passing glance? Than why open the subject in the first place?
You don't know anything about me because we stick to different styles of gameplay, and I'm in no way going to impose mine on you. I commented on the claims that their kills are of higher quality than that of any low sec pirates, made in some relatively arrogant posts. I cared to check and came to conclusion they aren't. And, funny enough, I got no direct counters to this from the people involved. Last constructive bit of info I exchanged was actually confirming they after all do not think themselves better, if you check a bit above.
Or to sum it all up: Learn to comprehend what you are reading. It is clear you consider yourself to be a smart person, but you're not showing it very well. If you don't care to read what others write, don't bother attacking them with missed points and insults and you just might one day get a recognition for being what you think you are.
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vrabac
Or to sum it all up: Learn to comprehend what you are reading. It is clear you consider yourself to be a smart person, but you're not showing it very well. If you don't care to read what others write, don't bother attacking them with missed points and insults and you just might one day get a recognition for being what you think you are.
WOW.
You.
Are.
Dense.
Yes, I am confirming I am romantic, and secretly want to have Traidor's e-babies.
This definitely looked like an attack to me:
Originally by: Vrabac
Originally by: Traidor Disloyal The low sec pirate is just irritated cause he has no one to play with and thus feels lonely.
Quick glance at your kb makes statements of this sort funny. 5-8 kills per week are hardly something to chestbeat about and talk other people down tbh.
Maybe in your eyes a friendly one, but hey. I want to have Traidor's babies.
TBH, looking at your KB statistics reveals something pretty amazing with regards to your initial point. You have a lot of kills, to be sure, and many of those kills appear to be of similar or higher quality to those found by soloers in high/lowsec, but when you have to split the loot between 4 and 12 ways on each kill, can the quality of those kills really be compared?
Let's look at the satisfaction factor, for instance. It's much easier to walk away from a victory with a warm glow when it was actually a conflict, rather than you and a few of your closest friends squashing a fly with a sledghammer. Which kills could be considered quality when measuring against experience?
In another regard, lets look at loot gained. While it is true lowsec gank squads may net more victims with better fits overall, when that loot is parsed out to each member of the squad, is the overall result upon your individual wallet of greater quality than one who solos? I'd have to say no.
I'm not saying you're a better or worse player, nor am I saying you won't undock without the blob. You can remove that proverbial bundle from your panties.
BTW- I think I love you now. Can I have your e-babies too?
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: M'ing Pai I want to have Traidor's babies.
It's the nose and the hair isn't it? The Mohawk brings out the color in my eyes. And the nose...you know what they say...big nose means a big....ship. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: M'ing Pai stuff
AHA! First off, no babies. Imagine the denseness... better don't.
Income advantage is hard to negate, after all if you make a guy shoot you, you are the one allowed to shoot back. Hard to split stuff like that even if someone wanted to.
About numbers, this char is mostly used in RR bs gangs. His kills will almost always have 10-20 people on the mail. Lately this became a rarity, which resulted in a rather embarrassing security status in combination with my... um affinity for shooting rats. Can't help it.
The gangs we usually run have 2-4 members. That's not so much to split the profits between, but also hardly a blob, especially if we run into various groups home systems. This often means fighting against the odds - low sec being different in that people can shoot you regardless of your aggression status. While this usually results in losses, and obviously isn't good for profit, it does for sure make the quality of kills achieved high. As I said before, I'm not really after profit but after quality pew pew and I get plenty of it when I try to get some. Different play styles and all that. Now thing is, this doesn't make anyone special because there are more such people about and many are better at it and certainly do it more often, since lately we all became lazy.
Of course, great majority of kills will be easy. That's simply the way it is, you find a lone guy in a tasty ship, you kill him with what you have at hand. I think that's pretty much the way everywhere, it is in fact quite similar to killing 1 pve fitted BS with 1 pvp fitted CS. That's honestly not a fight either. Still the sheer amount of uninsurable t2 ships you can gank in low sec and amount of isk loss you can inflict on people this way is considerable.
Kinda easy to get frustrated by campers and so on, but there's more than that around if you care to look. I met some of the lamest people in eve in low sec, true, but I somehow fail to make friends outside it either.
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Traidor Disloyal
Originally by: M'ing Pai I want to have Traidor's babies.
It's the nose and the hair isn't it? The Mohawk brings out the color in my eyes. And the nose...you know what they say...big nose means a big....ship.
Actually, it's the nose hair. I'm attracted to trollish features.
Originally by: Vrabac Of course, great majority of kills will be easy. That's simply the way it is, you find a lone guy in a tasty ship, you kill him with what you have at hand. I think that's pretty much the way everywhere, it is in fact quite similar to killing 1 pve fitted BS with 1 pvp fitted CS. That's honestly not a fight either.
Speaking from my own personal style, I'll usually go after prey with the smallest ship possible. I've made a habit of trying to kill BS and BC pilots in AFs, inties, or even T1 Frigs. While some get away, a surprising number don't. When it goes against me, I escalate. It's always somewhat of a fight that way, and in the end more embarrassing to the poor pilot who lost his BS to a frigate.
Considering my play style, it makes more sense that I'd ransom and honor it. It's paid off on more than one occasion, with pilots in local urging the mark to pay me off to keep their ship.
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Arickson
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Posted - 2009.05.28 19:29:00 -
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Gank Bears always honor ransoms ^^
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M'ing Pai
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.05.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Arickson Gank Bears always honor ransoms ^^
You joined in just to say that?
I gank nothing. I kill it with the minimum amount of force required, and yet I honor ransoms. I'm also far less the bear than some submongoloid camping gate x with a bunch of his buddies thinking he's some badass PvPer because of it.
Go stick your head in a microwave (in game). It may improve your IQ.
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:11:00 -
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private nusiance always honors ransoms.... the posts earlier in this thread were just people debating "theory"
---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun.
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Lana Hellfury
Minmatar Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.05.29 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ignition SemperFi private nusiance always honors ransoms.... the posts earlier in this thread were just people debating "theory"
Confirming that private nusiance always honors ransoms. I wouldn't think twice about paying these guys to stop shooting stuff at me.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.29 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury
Originally by: Ignition SemperFi private nusiance always honors ransoms.... the posts earlier in this thread were just people debating "theory"
Confirming that private nusiance always honors ransoms. I wouldn't think twice about paying these guys to stop shooting stuff at me.
sniff...i...i love you guys people -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.29 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jesslyn Daggererux on 29/05/2009 16:27:06 Linkage opps, sorry did i drop something? -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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POgathaS
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.29 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Edited by: Jesslyn Daggererux on 29/05/2009 16:27:06 Linkage opps, sorry did i drop something?
Pretty Fail Fit imo anyway you look at it...
And Sheesh no T2 rigs... wtf? Spend all that money on a incorrect fit and dont even bother to rig it pretty... Noobs
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Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.29 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury Confirming that private nusiance always honors ransoms. I wouldn't think twice about paying these guys to stop shooting stuff at me.
Lana lana bo bana, fanana fana fo fana, me my mo mana... Lana! <3
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Raven Owa
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.29 19:49:00 -
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So since I have your attention: Private Nuisance is recruiting new pigs for the pen. We are willing to train new players and if you know what your doing all the better. We have active wars and mission bust. We are not the masters of Pvp by any means but we know how to make a profit. If your sick of running missions, mining or just tired of corps with too many BS rules, come to Vylade and apply. Your playing style or skill level will not be judged. We are active players mostly EST and use Vent, if you'd rather not be on vent that's cool too. If you do join vent expect foul language and Jesslyns annoying voice. Any questions you can contact me in game. Raven
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Sanguis Fluibant
Amarr The Rehabilitators
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Posted - 2009.05.29 19:52:00 -
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Proteus Hunter
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: 5higsy Pirates always honour ransoms. Whether you're a pirate or not is a completely different question.
This tbh. It's bad business, to dishonour ransoms.
Dishonouring ransoms may be bad business for you, but it isn't the definition of a pirate. Let's put our thinking caps on, please.
So do you honestly think, that insurance companies would pay today's RL pirates monies for ransoms, if they dishonoured them?
It has the same reflection within the game, but to a lesser extent. (as it's a game) The likes of you and your kind (who do not honour ransoms), would find very slim pickings, if not for those of us that do honour them.
Therefore the definition of a pirate, is to honour ransoms, where as you are a common thief. That doesn't mean it's not working out well for you, but you owe us for the fact it is.
Regards Mag's |
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Raven Owa
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Edited by: Jesslyn Daggererux on 27/05/2009 14:30:43 okay back on topic. this question never gets resolved because of the low sec babies always crying over people who dishonor ransoms. this is because they cannot wrap their heads around one simple reason. why.
in lowsec you get a bunch of really stupid people who expect its not so bad, or crappy pvpers to kill. you can catch them multiple times, if theyre that stupid. if theyre stupid enough to go into lowsec with their officer fit cnr, they may be stupid enough to do it twice. so you honor that cnr, or a hulk pilot trying to get those 'good' ores like uhh...jaspet. you could get them twice in 1 week, or never see them again. maybe, just maybe, your reputation in your lowsec community will florish...or no one will be the wiser. maybe no one else knows you honor, maybe they do. in your mind, its worth the lost income on mods to be honorable. okay.
now heres the other side. in high sec we have a much better chance at seeing that same officer fit cnr guy, because mr cnr does missions all the time. we steal, he shoots. freeze frame here. notice, he had to make a mistake. he had to shoot someone. if hes not in a corp, and anyone who spends more than 10 minutes in a major mission hub knows most of these guys arent, you cant dec him. and he may not come out. he probobly wont come out twice in an officer fit ship, cause your going to blow it up in a little. so you lock and point this guy and say kindly over comms "GIMMIE YO MOFUGGEN MONEY FOO!!!!1"
why? well, as i told you earlier, he has to make a mistake to get this sort of service. he will most likely not make the mistake of shooting you again. it has happened, but you cant count on that and lose out on expensive faction loot. the way that would then make this probable 1 time encounter the most money is to ransom, dishonor, and blow him up. and blow him up. BLOW HIM UP. BLOW HIM.....up.
tadaa! once again, explained.
edit: right. and forgot to mention. theres always more clueless mission runners. they, as a whole, never catch on. theres always new players, or players who ebay and are pretty stupid. eve has a short memory. after all the admissions on the forums, after all the dishonored ransoms, do you think even once someone has cited either of those as the reason for not paying? they either say "can i trust you?" like any reasonable person or "i dont have that much".
Mag's please read above, as you obviously didn't the first time.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Owa
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux Stuff
Mag's please read above, as you obviously didn't the first time.
TL:DR I was not replying to that post.
Regards Mag's |
Raven Owa
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:03:00 -
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Quote: Therefore the definition of a pirate, is to honour ransoms, where as you are a common thief. That doesn't mean it's not working out well for you, but you owe us for the fact it is.
Pirate...no griefer..yes and i owe nothing to you, I owe my profits and payed ransoms to the constant flow of new people into the game, the ****y mission runners that shoot and after I return and break there tank they would come to my house to perform sexual acts on me if it would save there precious faction loot and the fact that hardly anyone reads the many posts in C&P that state the FACT that I do not honor ransoms yet when pushed into a corner most players pay.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:38:00 -
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My point still stands.
Regards Mag's |
Raven Owa
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 19:55:00 -
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Quote: My opinion still stands.
Fixed it for you.
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Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.05.30 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's So do you honestly think, that insurance companies would pay today's RL pirates monies for ransoms, if they dishonoured them?
It has the same reflection within the game, but to a lesser extent. (as it's a game)
No, no it does not.
Originally by: Mag's The likes of you and your kind (who do not honour ransoms), would find very slim pickings, if not for those of us that do honour them.
Based on what? Your opinion?
Originally by: Mag's Therefore the definition of a pirate, is to honour ransoms, where as you are a common thief.
Common thief, Eve Pirate, same thing. ************************************************* I have three characters. One has Cov Ops V along with all the bells and whistles that goes with it. |
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