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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.14 05:30:00 -
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Shian Yang wrote:Maxpie wrote:The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game. Greetings capsuleer, I am eagerly awaiting your proposed plan for ensuring I can only have one pilot license with one pilot active underneath it. When you have come up with a viable scheme for what is a fundamentally stupid idea we'll cover the next few points. Regards, Shian Yang Greetings, person-who-thinks,
He wants to eviscerate nullsec people, who often have many paying accounts. I'm planning out accounts #4 and 5 actually ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Etil DeLaFuente
New Eclipse Initiative Mercenaries
7
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:24:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:and the only players left will be PvPers
Hopefully |
baltec1
1162
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Posted - 2012.05.14 06:31:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:
The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.
People use their mains anyway. Stupidly expensive untanked miners will still die. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3757
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Posted - 2012.05.14 10:54:00 -
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Maxpie wrote:Richard Desturned wrote: oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game
The problem is not this. The problem is that they can do this with disposable alts. Get rid of alts, make Eve a much, much better game.
But I thought killboard stats were the problem? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alain Kinsella
106
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:45:00 -
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Not read the whole thread, this is for OP:
I would strongly recommend you consider taking one of the Agony Uni 'Basic' classes (/w roam), even if you're not interested in PvP. If you (the OP) don't have the ISK for some reason, please contact me and I'll send it to you - just make sure to reference this thread.
At worst you'll learn that's not for you, and can consider joining another group (such as Eve-Uni) to expand learning to other aspects of the game. At best you'll like this, but then you've probably already discovered that some FCs/leaders aren't like Agony's (hell, you may try joining them - you would not be the first). That's the harder thing to deal with here, but once you find a group that works well with you, you'll find that this game becomes easier. I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 11:46:00 -
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They should rename GD board to GW for - General Whining Board. |
SashaGrey
AirHogs Zulu People
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Posted - 2012.05.22 12:26:00 -
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I heard Airhogs so I came by to say hai! Yes, we are a good group of people, albiet most of us have a couple loose screws on our dashboards. I myself didn't think I was gonna ever find a fun, friendy corp until I met Rollaz and the Hogs 3 years into the game. We do exist, and you can have mild and wild success if you find the corp that fits you, your personality, style, timezone, what have you. Most important in my book are good leadership, fun(ny) mother pluckers, and fair and ethical treatment. This being said, always watch your own back and look out for #1, this IS Eve. Mean people WILL steal your cookies to make you cry. That's also what makes it such an amazing game! -SG |
Iamien
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
193
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:06:00 -
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I agree. |
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:42:00 -
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Hi. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2158
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:43:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Aiwha wrote:John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. 10 whole mil. I would sure like to make 10 mil for 10 minutes of work, it sure beats running missions for 1 mil isk each. But unlike a lot of the people on EvE and in the real world, I don't feel that easy money should come at the expense of others. I guess actually having a sense of ethics puts me at a disadvantage here. Which isn't to say I'm opposed to fighting people, just do it the right way. There is a huge difference between challenging someone to a pistol dual (war dec), and shooting someone in the back of the head with a sniper rifle (suicide gank)
Hold on, I need to notify a few million people playing any number of other games and tell them they are doing it wrong. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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Haquer
Vorkuta Inc Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:43:00 -
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Nerf goons~ |
CARB0N FIBER
Derailleurs
26
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:48:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
Maybe you had a point, but you lost me at^ |
Warpshade
10
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:52:00 -
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Eve is that way ->>>> This is GoonSwarm Online didn't ya know!? |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
183
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Posted - 2012.07.10 15:54:00 -
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Goons are a non-issue. |
Quaaid
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
45
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:02:00 -
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Would you cry on your Facebook about how unfair and mean the world is?
Meet who you can, find like minded people, invest something, risk something, put yourself out there. You will get backstabbed, you will meet terrible people, you will also meet awesome people, maybe even BFFs.
The goons don't represent me, or the majority of EvE I would imagine. I do appreciate their antics though, they do it because they can. They have organization and some leadership that guides them. You could build the same, it just takes effort. That is the beauty of EvE. It is not up to CCP or your untargetted audience here to make EvE what you want it to be.
Make EvE yours. |
Taurich Vorsel
11
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:02:00 -
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This thread is terrible and that necro was terrible
You should all feel ashamed
Especially if you posted in July Copine Callmeknau disappeared one day now we are left with Taurich Vorsel AKA BIZARRO COPE! |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1136
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:16:00 -
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confirming that every suicide ganker is a goon alt My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Majestic Twilight
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:21:00 -
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@OP
While you may not or may not likethe harshnes or "antisocial" aspects of the game is what makes it stand out from other mmo's out there, even compared to Darkfail (Darkfall). That is why I will always sub to this game.
While you may not like the goons, I personally can't help but respect their organizational responsiveness, lleadership,and PR tactics in the game. If they actually were to take over Eve it would be a testament to the above. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
937
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:23:00 -
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Stop replying to this necropotamus you fools! Here's your sign... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
142
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:02:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
Nothing wrong with speaking your mind, it's simply to bad there is no mind to speak of...
(I see what I did there, even if y'all don't!)
You see this terrible logical fallacy all the time. Because something YOU do't like is going on, A. the majority of players (being just like you of course) are equally as outraged as you and B. This spells the end of EVE as all the players you will have left are Goons/BoB/Russians/NC/insert flavor of the month....
I get so tired of hearing it. Express YOUR opinion without trying to appeal to imaginary majorities that do not exist, is that so hard?
I know sometimes I express unpopular sentiments. I have enough self esteem to NOT crumble at the idea that most people (or almighty CCP itself) doesn't agree with me. So what, it's my opinion, but so many people like the OP (and high sec people in general) just can't seem to make a coherent argument without sweeping (and easily destoyable) generalizations about the doom of EVE.
I'm ex-BoB (and ex- Original Atlas) so i am NO fan of goons, but my GOD, the whining against the successes is so fail. Organize a High Sec Coalition/Invasion Fleet and go attack goons in their homes (Deklien) if you don't like what they are doing, but STFU until you've done that.
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Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
297
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:07:00 -
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Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:Forums =/= Game
^Bingo.
Bring your possibles. |
Benjamin Eastwood
Oshaima Exports
43
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:16:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:John Schlong wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:just letting you know that a hauler loaded with two plexes dying to a destroyer is not indicative of a problem with the game No, not a hauler with 2 plexs in it. I was talking about someone loosing a 500mil fitted hulk and 800mil worth of implants (about 2 plexes worth) in a 1.0 system. Not because the belt was dangerous, but because there are throw-away alts in fully re-imbursed destroyers gaming the clone system, with a guaranteed 10 mil profit if they kill the hulk, even if they get zero loot. oh, right, a 500 million isk untanked ship that is AFK dying to destroyers is not indicative of a problem in the game He wasn't afk, he was mining. A ship warped in, then warped out, he thought it was someone just looking for belt rats to fight, so he didn't think to much about it. Several seconds later that same ship warps back in at a range of 1000m and kills him in the first volley. You don't have to be AFK to die in a point-blank alpha strike.
Maybe he should have fitted a tank, flown away, done something other than get lazy and complacent. I don't like the goons either, but I don't make them into a bogeyman just because I failed to take preventative action to protect my assets. Suicide ganking is a perfectly legitimate form of griefing. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
63
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:19:00 -
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I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed. Most other MMOs handle this with an RP server or a non-PvP server. That is not an option in a single shard universe.
I think CCP would be wise to heed this notion. As another poster said, trying to force these types of players into confrontation via null/low sec wont work. They dont want to be in a situation where they worry about being attacked all the time. If they cant avoid it, they simply wont play.
CCP needs to seriously adjust the incentives for antisocial behavior in highsec. Penalties for suicide attacks need to be increased. Bonuses for a ship's age need to be added (through crew and training), and a capsuleer that suicides his crew too often needs to find it difficult to get more.
Do what you want in null, but I dont know why you antisocials insist on taking pleasure in ruining someones day. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
131
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:34:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed.
Then this is the wrong game for them, and the kindest thing to do is to tell them to unsub and find something else to do.
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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:40:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:I agree with the OP but in a general way. Not all players want to directly engage others, some just want to go about their own business and not be harassed. Most other MMOs handle this with an RP server or a non-PvP server. That is not an option in a single shard universe.
I think CCP would be wise to heed this notion......
Crap, Crap and more Crap....
Why is it so hard for you risk adverse people to understand that the entire game's economy is linked? Allowing people to farm isk in total safety is bad. There needs to be loss for there to be a healthy economy. If everyone has monstrous stacks of isk, that isk loses value. If everyone has two Mach's in their hanger then what value does a Mach have? If people are so risk adverse they refuse to leave high sec, I salute those that bring the risk to them. I do wish gankers would start going after mission boats and leave hulks alone. Killing hulks just gives Goons isk, considering most of the cost of a Hulk is tech. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:42:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:I'm sure someone is going to call me a newbie whiner that should go back to WoW for posting this, but here goes.
EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
No wonder CCP thinks that "what goonswarm wants" is the same as "what the player-base wants": the only players left on EVE are either goonswarm members, or newbies. All the old players have given up in disgust after loosing 2 plexes worth of ship, fittings and implants to a single ganker in a 7 mil (fully reimbursed) ship
It really comes down to this, do you want eve to grow and add more players? or do you want eve to belong to goonswarm? you can't have both. Unless people stand up and say "the goons do not represent me", this is going to turn into GooN Online instead of EvE Online. All the easy care-bear targets will be gone, and the only players left will be PvPers (just like lowsec/nullsec is now)
By invading highsec, goonswarm destroys highsec. I'm sure the "goal" (if there was one) was to drive more players to lowsec, but they really just drove highsec players off the game entirely
I now look forward to the 4 pages of goonswarm members insulting me and the week of random people following me around in-game stealing my loot and ganking me, just for speaking my mind.
You named your character John Schlong and you are complaining that Eve is antisocial.
Seriously, WTF? |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 19:53:00 -
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Quote:Why is it so hard for you risk adverse people to understand that the entire game's economy is linked? Allowing people to farm isk in total safety is bad. There needs to be loss for there to be a healthy economy. If everyone has monstrous stacks of isk, that isk loses value
Its totally OK to allow SOME people to make infinite loot creating a class separation similar to the global economic crisis we are facing now however, huh? Like nullbots and techmoons. It's totally ok for some people to have a "cash machine" as my good friend soundwave put it. |
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
11
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:03:00 -
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John Schlong wrote:EVE online puts a HUGE emphasis on joining a corp and interacting with others, yet my 2 months of experience playing the game and reading the forums have shown me that this game is mostly comprised of unfriendly bigoted people who would rather insult you or pod you than actually be nice to you.
Actually, that's most of the internet in general. Not that I don't feel your pain, but the problem isn't Goons per se; the problem is people and the overall ugliness that is human nature when safely shielded behind anonymity and a monitor.
While Mittens may be evil, he is brilliantly so. He has managed to take this negative aspect of human nature and turn it around in a massive personal advantage; Kind of like how Genghis Khan managed to unite all the barbaric, goat-raping clans of Mongolia under his banner by pointing his sword west and saying "More goats that way, guys, now who's with me?!" He has gazed into the vilest black pits of the human spirit of thousands of EvE players and said "There is great power here, and I shall harvest it." Star Wars couldn't give you a better Sith Lord. I have to kind of admire that, because it has quite obviously worked, and worked well. |
Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
863
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:18:00 -
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There are a lot of different player types in this game. I for one may scam you, but will happily chat your ear off if you open a convo box. That doesn't make me anti-social... it just makes me a bit of a d-bag, sometimes.
Socially players are pretty friendly in my experience... it's just when you get down to game play and ISK, internet spaceships get serious and someone may take everything you left vulnerable.
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.07.10 20:28:00 -
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OP, not everyone in new eden is a douche. i know it seems that this isn't the case due to the fact that this game encourages, rewards and celebrates the worst types of behavior, but i encourage you to check out RvB. it's an extremely laid back environment with no pressure and non-stop pvp. after almost 3 years of eve, it's by far the most fun i've had.
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