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LiveWire364
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:04:00 -
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Seriously, all these off the wall schemes and **** are annoying.
There is one easy way to fix it all - Make them harder.
Be it more rats, rats are able to use drones, rats have sleeper AI, whatever, moving missions to lowsec is not viable, and making the isk/salvage less is also not viable. Making the missions harder is how it needs to be done.
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:06:00 -
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posting in a 'I know how to fix things' thread.
Hi mum!
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Thus I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Point of No Return Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:07:00 -
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I agree rats need sleeper AI!
This way all you AFK drone missioners and Raven peepz will have to contend with something that can actually hurt you.
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Discrodia
Gallente Guild Navy Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:07:00 -
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How 'bout we just say **** it and 1/2 the value of the loot and salvage and payoff. That way we can mine in highsec and not feel like complete dweebs for making less than they do. ______________________________________________
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LiveWire364
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty
Hi mum!
Hey girl, hows college?
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LiveWire364
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Discrodia How 'bout we just say **** it and 1/2 the value of the loot and salvage and payoff. That way we can mine in highsec and not feel like complete dweebs for making less than they do.
No, because then we'd lose the influx of materials currently needed to sustain the economy. The only way to fix the problem is by making the missions harder.
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masternerdguy
Gallente Point of No Return Blade.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364
Originally by: Spurty
Hi mum!
Hey girl, hows college?
shes not ur real mother!
ITS A TRAP!
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Darkerz Reloaded
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: LiveWire364
Originally by: Spurty
Hi mum!
Hey girl, hows college?
shes not ur real mother!
ITS A TRAP!
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:19:00 -
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I lolled
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Thus I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:20:00 -
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Moving all the missions to lowsec would make them a lot harder
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Feilamya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364 No, because then we'd lose the influx of materials currently needed to sustain the economy.
... which would be good. The EVE economy is ruunning too fine anyway. Anything that runs fine is boring. This is a game for ****'s sake, it's supposed to be less boring than RL!
Also, a shortage in minerals might revive 0.0 and lowsec mining, as well as 0.0-based industry.
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THE L0CK
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:30:00 -
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I'm cool with Sleeper AI mission rats. They should be able to rep each other as well. Now THAT would make a mission interesting.
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Slave 2739FKZ
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:32:00 -
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Hi.
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LiveWire364
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: LiveWire364 No, because then we'd lose the influx of materials currently needed to sustain the economy.
... which would be good. The EVE economy is ruunning too fine anyway. Anything that runs fine is boring. This is a game for ****'s sake, it's supposed to be less boring than RL!
Also, a shortage in minerals might revive 0.0 and lowsec mining, as well as 0.0-based industry.
How I see it, it would be quite the opposite. What little mining going on now, if you stop the economy, you stop everything. EVE is very similar to the real world economy, and look what happened when the real estate market fell in one country.. The entire world goes into a recession. Dropping a huge portion of how money is made in this game wouldn't help -- it would hurt. Immensely. The best way is to make the missions harder, so people have to work together instead of solo, and in the long run, revive industry in lowsec and 0.0, as the time required for missions would slowly make it's way up to a point where mining was more profitable.
Going the route you suggested, effectively halving the amount of money made in the game currently, would cause tons of people to give up mission running totally, causing a huge decrease in the amount of minerals coming into the market, AND cause a spike in people giving up the game for a bit. In the long run I can see industry beginning to start up again, but I think the best route would just to be making missions harder.
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Planktal
Gallente Kenshao Industries
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:39:00 -
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All these "nerf lvl4s" threads boils down to pirates wanting more easy targets to gank in lowsec, nothing more.
Simple thing, the mission runners would either swtich to running lvl3 or run missions and mine them or just quit altogether.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Faife
Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:43:00 -
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i think missions shouldn't require activities and just give you isk and LPs tbh, like research agents --
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364 Seriously, all these off the wall schemes and **** are annoying.
There is one easy way to fix it all - Make them harder.
Be it more rats, rats are able to use drones, rats have sleeper AI, whatever, moving missions to lowsec is not viable, and making the isk/salvage less is also not viable. Making the missions harder is how it needs to be done.
Smooth move exlax.. Drive off the 80% of the playerbase paying the server bills that enable us 20% to run around in this shiney world pew pewing away that we couldn't possibly begin to pay for without them. Why do people hate the peons tending to the fields so much?
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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LiveWire364
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: LiveWire364 on 27/05/2009 22:44:16
Originally by: Planktal All these "nerf lvl4s" threads boils down to pirates wanting more easy targets to gank in lowsec, nothing more.
Simple thing, the mission runners would either swtich to running lvl3 or run missions and mine them or just quit altogether.
Good job reading the thread
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: LiveWire364 Seriously, all these off the wall schemes and **** are annoying.
There is one easy way to fix it all - Make them harder.
Be it more rats, rats are able to use drones, rats have sleeper AI, whatever, moving missions to lowsec is not viable, and making the isk/salvage less is also not viable. Making the missions harder is how it needs to be done.
Smooth move exlax.. Drive off the 80% of the playerbase paying the server bills that enable us 20% to run around in this shiney world pew pewing away that we couldn't possibly begin to pay for without them. Why do people hate the peons tending to the fields so much?
On my main. I have less than 12m SP. I run level 4's solo. I can ****ing AFK the missions they are that easy. They need to be made harder, not only to increase the fun you can have in the missions, but the challenge needs to be alligned with the reward.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364 On my main. I have less than 12m SP. I run level 4's solo. I can ****ing AFK the missions they are that easy. They need to be made harder, not only to increase the fun you can have in the missions, but the challenge needs to be alligned with the reward.
You want a challange then go run missions in low sec or even better join faction war and run them in low sec. Otherwise you will just annoy the hordes of part time players that make up the bulk of eves subscribers to everyones ruin. But you know that already.
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Spurty
Caldari Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364
On my main. I have less than 12m SP.
Nice, can't find you in a single pvp engagement, so assuming you pvp with your alt
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Thus I AM BETTER THAN YOU.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.05.27 23:18:00 -
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well cear bears whined about stuff and it get fixed
the actual important part of eve the pvp'r are striking back for our own nerf bwhahahahahaa
and we are as hell going to get empire isk making on par with being in empire.
"what do we want , balanced level 4's. When do we want them . NOW" "what do we want , balanced level 4's. When do we want them . NOW" "what do we want , balanced level 4's. When do we want them . NOW"
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Rez Valintine
Caldari HeXXeD
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Posted - 2009.05.28 00:14:00 -
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Edited by: Rez Valintine on 28/05/2009 00:16:27
Originally by: Feilamya
Originally by: LiveWire364 No, because then we'd lose the influx of materials currently needed to sustain the economy.
... which would be good. The EVE economy is ruunning too fine anyway. Anything that runs fine is boring. This is a game for ****'s sake, it's supposed to be less boring than RL!
Also, a shortage in minerals might revive 0.0 and lowsec mining, as well as 0.0-based industry.
People who want to mine, are mining - people who want to PvP are PvPing.
All you are suggesting is making things harder on yourself. Change the L4 missions and I suspect that the mission runners would jsut quit - because mission running is what they want to do, not PvP or mine.
With CCP stating that 40% of minerals come from loot meltdowns, I would suspect that a bulk of that comes from the mission runners...
So, all you are suggesting is making things more expensive for harder & you - as due to less minerals, prices would go up - and the next thing you know you are running missions to pay for your PvP gankage.
I see a winner in this one.....
Accept the fact that not everyone wants to play the game the way you do...
I'd cancel before mining.
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Jensen Blayloc
Minmatar Galtech Alloy and Nanotech Group
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Posted - 2009.05.28 00:21:00 -
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Ok, you want them harder.. Reroll, and go Guns not drones. Use minmatar ships and have average tanking skills.
I have 30 million SP and it takes 5 friggin hours to do the big level 4s. If it were any harder, I couldn't do them AT ALL. Course, I didn't train for a domi and drones.. Personally, I am a little skeptical that a 12 mil SP dude could AFK level 4s, but who knows.
If the stuff bores you, here is an idea.. DON'T DO IT.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2009.05.28 00:54:00 -
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I 100% agree that all NPCs should have decent AI, like the sleepers.
Dumb NPCs is what makes missions boring. They should be a challenge instead of just resources to be harvested by shooting at them.
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Drakan290
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Posted - 2009.05.28 01:13:00 -
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My main is Drakan290. It wouldn't be hard to find that out, and yes, I do PvP, mission running, Plexing, WHs, radar/mag sites and various other things with that character.
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SweetHoney
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Posted - 2009.05.28 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann I 100% agree that all NPCs should have decent AI, like the sleepers.
Dumb NPCs is what makes missions boring. They should be a challenge instead of just resources to be harvested by shooting at them.
Missions should be boring and easy.. Missions are there for make ISK for PVP. It is already a lot of grindig for ISK. If it takes double the time to make the same money that means peoples can't spend that time pvping .. Blowing things up.
If stuffs don't get blowed up then that will hurt everyone in the game and believe me if ppl have to grind 10 hours for 1 BS+fitting then this game become a work not a game, It is already very close to call it a second job.
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Tara Moss
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Posted - 2009.05.28 04:27:00 -
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Like the real-world economy Eve is vulnerable to recession. The housing bubble was great at generating economic growth & development. Likewise, Level 4s promote industry & production by providing a constant stream of 'cheap' Isk & materials.
Removing this would decrease economic activity in Eve and hurt pvp in the process by making things more expensive.
It is far preferable to have a little inflation than drop the recession bomb in-game.
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Kaivos
Pyydys
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Posted - 2009.05.28 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: LiveWire364
On my main. I have less than 12m SP. I run level 4's solo. I can ****ing AFK the missions they are that easy. They need to be made harder, not only to increase the fun you can have in the missions, but the challenge needs to be alligned with the reward.
I don't want missions to be fun. I want them to be good and preferably fast way to make isk so I can pvp.
And the challenge is the time spend to do missions. Who gives a rats ass if they are easy. They still take _TIME_.
If you make it harder, my deadspace complex pimped golem will still run them with ease but many noob ships will not. And that gives those people less money to pvp and less targets you pvp griefers. And less materials for economy which makes ships more expensive.
If you want fun and hard pve experience go hunt sleepers to wormhole.
THINK BEYOND YOUR OWN SELFISH MEMEMEMEME ATTITUDE.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente A Pretty Pony Princess General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2009.05.28 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kaivos
Originally by: LiveWire364
On my main. I have less than 12m SP. I run level 4's solo. I can ****ing AFK the missions they are that easy. They need to be made harder, not only to increase the fun you can have in the missions, but the challenge needs to be alligned with the reward.
If you want fun and hard pve experience go hunt sleepers to wormhole.
why, level 4's are much more profitible when you factor in the risk, which is why they need fixed. And to finish, thank you for reading my sig -------------------------------------------------- If you are still reading i would probably hav posted by now |
Kaivos
Pyydys
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Posted - 2009.05.28 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
why, level 4's are much more profitible when you factor in the risk, which is why they need fixed.
It's like this. You do something to get payed. Like going to work irl. lvl4 missions are kinda same. You do it. It takes time and you get payed. You are trading your time to isk. GET IT?
There are risks but rich players minimize them by utilizing best ships and best modules.
Is the problem because the missions are in high sec space?
I can't see why are you guys complaining about this? Why don't you go your self and make nice isk out of lvl4s if its so easy?
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