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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 11:58:00 -
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hello, my friend is a little bt of a ****** with ships, he is gallente and is soon to be looking for a bs, here is slightly less aggressive so sommit witha fair bit o defence and maybe a smaller dps with drone capabilities will do perfectly. but which one is better for that, megathron or hyperion, and wat would eb the best setup for the above. thnx
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:13:00 -
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Dominix.
Tell him he can fly most missions nearly AFK.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:16:00 -
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right but y the dominix over the others#? because hes not a missionr unner, its for fleet escorting and mainly fleets.
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Essence Praetor
Retribution. Inc.
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Essence Praetor on 30/05/2009 12:30:59 Is this friend of your really you?
Tell him he needs to read up a bit on the EVE online Wikki and whatever pvp literature you can find on the web. His assertion to fly heavy tanking low DPS fits in PVP will get him pwned fairly often. Gank over tank is the generally accepted Eve Philosophy
If its that he's afraid of loosing ships, he needs to fly something insurable. If he doesn't care much about DPS and just wants to help his corp mates (and generally survive all of your small gang engagements) have him look into electronic Warfare.
Falcon can warp cloaked and the Rook does one better with its bonuses now. Blackbird is dirt cheap and then there is also the Kitsune.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:33:00 -
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no its not me, what i meant was he preferred drone warfare and heavyshield tank to anythin else.
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Kadavreski
Hakugyokurou
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:35:00 -
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Drone warfare and Shield tank? Huh, the Typhoon might well float his boat. No Gallente ship is going to shield tank particularly well, and it has 125 m3/bandwidth so you can stick whatever you like in there. It's a little skill intensive, though, unfortunately.
Tell him to get with armor!
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:36:00 -
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i told him shield tanking was a caldari trait, but he does wat a bs and so it looks just drone warfare. can u also provide a setup please.
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Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.05.30 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lupus Pyro because hes not a mission runner, its for fleet escorting and mainly fleets.
Escorting: he don't need tank, but melt hotiles, before they pwn ships he escorts. Best would be Dominix (drones for dps and neutralizers for messing with enemies) or Megathron (pure face melting power). Hyperion is to big, to expensive, to bad. Oh, and because Domi won't need any damage mods, he could use all 10 slot for tank.
Fleet: Megathron.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:07:00 -
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kk i told him and i think a tear popped out at the thought he might have to use the dominix, but have u got any optimal setups?
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Forcerix Dragoon
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:31:00 -
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Edited by: Forcerix Dragoon on 30/05/2009 13:33:57 If he's Gallente then he should know most Gallente ships are armour tanked. You can shield tank a few things like the Myrmidon and Dominix, but it's better for fleet stuff if he armour tanks them.
As for drones, all three Gallente BS can field 5 heavy drones (125 drone bandwidth) but if he really loves drones, then tell him to get a Dominix because you can store tonnes of the little buggers in a Domi.
Dominixs tend to be setup with neuts and nos, but you can slap on some guns if you want.
Some dual rep for tank, some give a buffer. I'm a personal fan of the dual rep on the Dominix but a buffer is good in high DPS situations.
Edit: If he really doesn't want a Domi, tell him to get a Megathron, buffer it and rig it with trimarks.
Something like this:
[Megathron, Gank/Buffer] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L Anode Mega Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge L [empty high slot]
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Berserker I x5
Probably best to swap that cap booster out and maybe swap an EANM for another mag stab.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:34:00 -
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well i told him gallente r armour tankers, i think he prefers caldari techniques, ill tell him its the best drone ship and also that he mighr be able to sqaush some neuts int here and other stuff. have u got a more exact setup list?
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MidnightMartyr
Gallente Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Mona X
Originally by: Lupus Pyro because hes not a mission runner, its for fleet escorting and mainly fleets.
Escorting: he don't need tank, but melt hotiles, before they pwn ships he escorts. Best would be Dominix (drones for dps and neutralizers for messing with enemies) or Megathron (pure face melting power). Hyperion is to big, to expensive, to bad. Oh, and because Domi won't need any damage mods, he could use all 10 slot for tank.
Fleet: Megathron.
WTB domi with 10 low slots.
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Forcerix Dragoon
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2009.05.30 13:35:00 -
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Search "battleclinic loadouts" in google and hit the top link. Figure out how to use the filter system and find the setups for the ship of your choosing.
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Lupus Pyro
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Posted - 2009.05.30 14:44:00 -
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ye i checked it out it rules.
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arbiter reborn
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Posted - 2009.05.30 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: arbiter reborn on 30/05/2009 14:55:53 dual rep hype with exile ftw, megas are good dual rep and plated \(im still of the opinion there better dual rep.
also shield tanked hype, needs crystals but does 1800dps, dont try this unless your good and fighting mainly on stations
youre meds would look summin like
xl booster, invuln, heavy cap booster, point and web.
ill link you to one of our vids too see it http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1032440
got some mael in it too
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Mona X
Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.05.30 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Mona X on 30/05/2009 15:26:32
Originally by: MidnightMartyr
WTB domi with 10 low slots.
7 lows + 3 rigs you 'genius'.
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Footoo Rama
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Posted - 2009.06.02 06:31:00 -
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Here is what your friend wants...
[Dominix, Passive domi] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde I x5 Hobgoblin II x Hammerhead II x5 Ogre II x5
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kadavreski Drone warfare and Shield tank? Huh, the Typhoon might well float his boat. No Gallente ship is going to shield tank particularly well, and it has 125 m3/bandwidth so you can stick whatever you like in there. It's a little skill intensive, though, unfortunately.
Tell him to get with armor!
without meaning to become pottsey mark 2 you are worng on the shield tanking. gallente ships make excellent passive shield tanks, the ishtar and dominix in particular can be omni tanked to perma tank all level 4's the domni with a rack of 425's, the ishtar has better tank and so long as it is moving can easily handle the angels extra bonus room..
this is due to lots of lows for mods to support your tank.
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Snow Banshee
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama Here is what your friend wants...
[Dominix, Passive domi] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde I x5 Hobgoblin II x Hammerhead II x5 Ogre II x5
IMHO remove a high slot for 1-2 drone links... you wish your sentry snipe over 60km (80-100 is much better), also a sensor booster might be required lo lock people that far. Other than that, i agree... domi can have an acceptable passive tank. Even active shield tank is not that bad if you dont need tackle modules
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Leon Caedo
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kadavreski Drone warfare and Shield tank? Huh, the Typhoon might well float his boat. No Gallente ship is going to shield tank particularly well, and it has 125 m3/bandwidth so you can stick whatever you like in there. It's a little skill intensive, though, unfortunately.
Tell him to get with armor!
What's an ishtar?
I know OP wants a bs but you said 'no gallente ship is going to shield tank particularly well'... which is just plain wrong.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:42:00 -
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If you want to shield tank a domi i would use an active shield tank (and larger guns btw), this domi setup has no advantages of the shield tank (more PG + damage mods in low slots), and it has epic cap problems.
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Davinel Lulinvega
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:43:00 -
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Try one of these.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:50:00 -
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Due to slot layout your friend wanting a shield tanked ship with drones will be best off with a Domi.
Mega has 4 midslots - not enough for a BS shield tank.
Hyp has 5 mid slots - enough for a glass cannon fit but again fails in overall effectiveness to armor.
Damage Control II Reactor Control II 2x Power Diagnostic II 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
100MN Microwarp I Warp Disruptor II Invul Field II 2x Large SHield Extender II
5x Neutron Blaster Cannon II Heavy Diminishing Nosferatu
2x Anti-EM Screen Anti-Thermal Screen
5x Ogre II - or whatever you can field 3 waves of large drones.
- Cheap - Less than 70 mil for the whole setup - thats almost as much as armor tanking BS pay in rigs alone.
- Hits hard - Perfect skills is about 1140 dps.
- Meh Tank - 76,000 effective HP - what do you expect you're payign hardly anythign for this ship.
- Flexible. If your enemy brings smaller ships - you can carry smaller drones to still damage them.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Footoo Rama Here is what your friend wants...
[Dominix, Passive domi] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L Dual 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde I x5 Hobgoblin II x Hammerhead II x5 Ogre II x5
Domi is not a Drake.
This is awful for Pvp.
No mobility - no tackle (don't tell me BS don't need to tackle - they do) - shooting its guns will cap you out.
This is a fit that MUST be ignored.
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Morel Nova
z3r0 Gravity YARRR and CO
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Posted - 2009.06.02 15:53:00 -
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rawr:
[Dominix, Shield Gank] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x5
1277 dps (1397 dps overheated) 99.4k EHP (110k overheated)
cant tackle though, bring friends. or fight on stations and swap mwd for scram :'(
Put in space whales!
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 02/06/2009 16:01:14 rawr:
[Dominix, Shield Gank] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x5
1277 dps (1397 dps overheated) 99.4k EHP (110k overheated)
cant tackle though, bring friends. or fight on stations and swap mwd for scram :'( (dropping invu field for scram costs you 10k EHP)
In my opinion, a ship that operates in warp disruption range should carry its own warp disruptor.
Relaying on friends for tackle is bad - what good is shooting a target when your friend gets jammed/destroyed, and your target warps off?
Also - 1 energy neut and your ship isn't nearly as effective, trade some dps for a nos. To be honest this is why I don't like shield tanking a domi - a battleship really ought to be using a cap injector - but a shield tanking domi can't afford it.
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Liang Nuren
The Hull Miners Union Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.06.02 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Morel Nova Edited by: Morel Nova on 02/06/2009 16:01:14 rawr:
[Dominix, Shield Gank] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I
Ogre II x5
1277 dps (1397 dps overheated) 99.4k EHP (110k overheated)
cant tackle though, bring friends. or fight on stations and swap mwd for scram :'( (dropping invu field for scram costs you 10k EHP)
TBH I'd be really tempted to fit ions and tracking enhancers instead of RCUs/PDUs. What good's a fancy EFT DPS number if you can't actually apply it?
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Jotobar
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:43:00 -
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Terrible advice in this thread for the most part.
Either your friend skills up his armor and then he's got plenty of options. this is the the recommendation.
OR he gets the evil gallente heavy assault ship Ishtar which just happens to be a drone boat (good for your friend), an excelent ship (good aswell), the only gallente ship someone has ever convinced me tanks better with shield (perfect for your friends twisted needs).
The down side to this then is that he'll be stuck in it, so really, either he cross trains faction or he cross train armor.
Here's an pretty decent fit for an ishtar: [Close Range Ishtar] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Medium Nosferatu II Medium Nosferatu II Light Electron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II,Antimatter Charge S
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Lentia
Shiva
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:44:00 -
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A Navy Megathron with 3 1600 plates and 3 trimarks.
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bubbly bird
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Posted - 2009.06.02 20:12:00 -
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Forget shield tanking the domi use this.
HIGHS
1 x LARGE solace RR (for helping keep your other escort ships and what you are escorting alive).
3 x best named neuts. 2 x drone link augments.
MIDS
1 x best named mwd. 1 x best named cap injector. 1 x omnidirectional tracking link. 1 x point or web. 1 x sensor booster.
LOWS
3 x 1600 best named plates. 2 x eanm t2. 1 x t2 ex hardener. 1 x t2 dcu.
Selection of drones including sentries.
Your mid slots can be adjusted for tackle, more steady cap or lock speed/range depending on the style and type of the fits/ships you have in your escort fleet.
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