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Beebopa Lula
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Posted - 2009.06.01 13:47:00 -
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I recently had a big block of Expanded Cargo II's on sale in Jita which were bought by one person. As I am a BPO holder I thought I would look this person up. Their name was Varon Hakor.
Sounds like an NPC name for sure. But no such character exists in the game. I even resorted to cutting and pasting the name from a wallet download to make 100% certain I wasn't mistaking an "o" for a zero or similar. But I wasn't. There is no Varon Hakor.
Of course, it was possible that this character was biomassed immediately after the transaction by an identity shy player, but this was within 10 hours of the transaction, i.e. the character must already have been in the biomass queue at the time of buying.
I find this all very unlikely. My only conclusion is that CCP manipulates sales and prices in the game in this way for reasons known only to themselves. Anyone else observed this behaviour?
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Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.01 13:48:00 -
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fetches his tin foil hat.....
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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula
Of course, it was possible that this character was biomassed immediately after the transaction by an identity shy player, but this was within 10 hours of the transaction, i.e. the character must already have been in the biomass queue at the time of buying.
I find this all very unlikely.
Stranger things have happened. --
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:29:00 -
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If a character is biomassed, do the orders then get immediatly de-listed?
If not, it's entirely possible the character in question was biomassed long before you purchased said items. ----------------
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Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai If a character is biomassed, do the orders then get immediatly de-listed?
If not, it's entirely possible the character in question was biomassed long before you purchased said items.
Interesting. And a shame, it sounds like he had several million coming to him...
------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.01 15:02:00 -
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If CCP wanted to interfere with the market they could create characters that would be used for this purpose. Why would they buy on mass with characters that don't exist that just doesn't make sense. ----------------------------------------------- Free Trade Corp - Flash page
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GPszith
Gallente Gypsy Productions
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Posted - 2009.06.01 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai If a character is biomassed, do the orders then get immediatly de-listed?
If not, it's entirely possible the character in question was biomassed long before you purchased said items.
It sounds like the OP is an inventor or BPO holder and produces the items and they were purchased not that the OP purchased the items. -------------------------------------------------- -GPszith
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Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.01 15:19:00 -
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macroer stocking up ??
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.01 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: GPszith It sounds like the OP is an inventor or BPO holder and produces the items and they were purchased not that the OP purchased the items.
Ah, you're right. I misread. ----------------
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Krikx
Gallente Dark Syde Exploration Exxxotic
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Posted - 2009.06.01 16:19:00 -
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What he is suggesting is the CCP bought the items in order to control the market. Which I find highly unlikely that if they had been doing this for 6 years that no one would have noticed by now and what would be the reason for them starting now.
More then likely you where using the wrong search option and were trying to search for Corp names or something when inputting his name.
Screen Shot for proof.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.06.01 18:31:00 -
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Non-Latin characters that look like Latin characters ('homoglyphs') can be typed in-game, right? Can non-Latin characters be used in Pilot names?
If so, perhaps the API export converts non-Latin characters to the nearest ASCII forms, which would mean that the API-exported name is not technically the same as the in-game name (although they might look similar).
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond Non-Latin characters that look like Latin characters ('homoglyphs') can be typed in-game, right? Can non-Latin characters be used in Pilot names?
I just tried, and while they can be used - they register as their latin equivalent.
So, it let me make Ľuikai, but told me Ľui Kai was taken. ----------------
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:18:00 -
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How is this proof of market interference? Why would CCP not just create an '03 character and use that? Or are you suggesting they're clever enough to manipulate your precious EC2 (btw, it was Entity) market; but fail to hide the conspiracy by using ghost characters? Maybe they want to be caught?
Perhaps they're sadists, like Ricdic?
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:42:00 -
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usually when this happens to me, it is the result of me looking for a corp as a character or the other way around.
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Mortifiyr
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Posted - 2009.06.01 23:04:00 -
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NPCs purchasing items from players would not be an affective money sink because it actually puts more money into the hands of players. That is assuming you got paid for the expanded cargo II's.
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.02 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mortifiyr NPCs purchasing items from players would not be an affective money sink because it actually puts more money into the hands of players. That is assuming you got paid for the expanded cargo II's.
Um. Let me introduce you to Mr. Insurance. It's how minerals get turned directly into ISK via game mechanics.
OP: sounds strange, for sure. I think you got in the way of some weird ISK laundering ... thing. Might want to petition it, just in case you get implicated later.
And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Sola Veritas
Minmatar Illuminate Simulation
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Beebopa Lula My only conclusion is that CCP manipulates sales and prices in the game in this way for reasons known only to themselves.
That would make life a lot more interesting, wouldn't it?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.02 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lui Kai If a character is biomassed, do the orders then get immediatly de-listed?
If not, it's entirely possible the character in question was biomassed long before you purchased said items.
Pretty sure biomassed alts get completely wiped from the face of the map. Any corporate orders get dumped much in the same as as if they left the corp for another one.
I don't have any spares at the moment that I can test with though. |
Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.02 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jagga Spikes on 02/06/2009 08:19:53
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Lui Kai If a character is biomassed, do the orders then get immediatly de-listed?
If not, it's entirely possible the character in question was biomassed long before you purchased said items.
Pretty sure biomassed alts get completely wiped from the face of the map. ...
not exactly. i can reach one of my biomassed characters through contract history, but it doesn't show through people&places search. can't confirm on what happens with orders, tho.
edi: also, said characters can be put into adressbook, given money, have settings set, and apparently retains all of standings. quite a feat for a goo, huh?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 09:45:00 -
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Or it could just be a character getting renamed as well. I suggest since you did say you had the API exports, look at them, in the transaction you will have the Character ID of the pilot.
Put it here: http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterName.xml.aspx?ids=XXX (replace XXX with the CharacterID) if the character does exist it will return the name of the pilot. That way you will know if the name changed or not.
As for the name, no it isn't registered atm.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.02 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Or it could just be a character getting renamed as well. I suggest since you did say you had the API exports, look at them, in the transaction you will have the Character ID of the pilot.
Put it here: http://api.eve-online.com/eve/CharacterName.xml.aspx?ids=XXX (replace XXX with the CharacterID) if the character does exist it will return the name of the pilot. That way you will know if the name changed or not.
As for the name, no it isn't registered atm.
i have 200M units of veldspar, all in the same hub.. wanna buy?
edit: posting first after teh chribba
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"Lecherito on Market Discussion: Though I have to go down on the record as saying that I'm convinced the majority of the MD community is ******ed" |
dr doooo
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Posted - 2009.06.02 12:16:00 -
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Not really. More like 'Proof that Character is banned/no longer in game' (or that OP is having 'blond' moment).
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Beebopa Lula
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Beebopa Lula on 02/06/2009 21:21:51
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Mystafyre
Caldari Dark Materials Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Mystafyre on 03/06/2009 08:29:59
Originally by: Beebopa Lula I recently had a big block of Expanded Cargo II's on sale in Jita which were bought by one person. As I am a BPO holder I thought I would look this person up. Their name was Varon Hakor.
Sounds like an NPC name for sure. But no such character exists in the game. I even resorted to cutting and pasting the name from a wallet download to make 100% certain I wasn't mistaking an "o" for a zero or similar. But I wasn't. There is no Varon Hakor.
Of course, it was possible that this character was biomassed immediately after the transaction by an identity shy player, but this was within 10 hours of the transaction, i.e. the character must already have been in the biomass queue at the time of buying.
I find this all very unlikely. My only conclusion is that CCP manipulates sales and prices in the game in this way for reasons known only to themselves. Anyone else observed this behaviour?
Few months ago there was this one character in Perimeter, always online when the server was online. No character avatar, and you couldn't find it from Character search... However it was shown at local list... But I don't have a clue if that is still there.
EDIT: And I am not saying that it would have anything to do with this thread
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strcpy
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Posted - 2009.06.04 06:01:00 -
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If you guys leave in a perfect world and you think that CCP don`t interfear in market than you need another aprouch to life. For 2 3 months all tech 2 prices go down and is hard to belive that a group or a fat wallet can do this.
Ty CCP for dream selling, but we are not from other planet.
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Sola Veritas
Minmatar Illuminate Simulation
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Posted - 2009.06.04 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Sola Veritas on 04/06/2009 07:55:47
Originally by: strcpy If you guys leave in a perfect world and you think that CCP don`t interfear in market than you need another aprouch to life. For 2 3 months all tech 2 prices go down and is hard to belive that a group or a fat wallet can do this.
Ty CCP for dream selling, but we are not from other planet.
I can only guess at what you were intending to say in that post, but in that guess I will give CCP the credit and say that they have their limits.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.04 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: strcpy If you guys leave in a perfect world and you think that CCP don`t interfear in market than you need another aprouch to life. For 2 3 months all tech 2 prices go down and is hard to belive that a group or a fat wallet can do this.
Ty CCP for dream selling, but we are not from other planet.
Actually everything has a reaction. T2 prices are starting to stabilize as reactor farms go online in Delve and Goons get settled into old Kenny space. My guess is they have all but gotten most of the better chains up and going since prices are slowly falling to last years previous high.
Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, and a fluid market with many possible reaction points can be very very stupid at times. |
Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2009.06.04 13:12:00 -
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The thing to test I guess is if a character can be searched for while waiting to be biomassed. It takes no skills to buy stuff, so it seems like the most likely explanation is someone is trying to corner the market and maybe drive you a little crazy in the process by biomassing their alt.
But your sell order was filled so all is right in the world, correct? I mean you did want to sell at that price, and weren't in some suicidal price war I hope.
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K'uata Sayus
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Posted - 2009.06.04 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: K''uata Sayus on 04/06/2009 14:58:18 I think NPC corps have placed many,many buy orders in order to supply pirate factions. The loot is then dropped, and sold for a pittance back to the NPC corp buyers, who resupply the pirates. The cycle is continued ad infinitum. The NPC corps then sells some on the market, keeping the price high and making huge profits.
Think about it, if there are no BPO/BPC's for named items, and they only come from pirate wreck drops, where does the endless supply come from?
The queues for lab slots in Empire space are chronically jammed due to lack of capacity. Why? Because they're filled with pirate inventors making named item BPC's!!
The OP is onto something, I just hope she doesn't suddenly enter the biomass herself.
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Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.04 14:59:00 -
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soylant green is NPC battleships! ------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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