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Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: O Thief enjoy your life sentence
well, until TRI look funny at your dyspro again at least
Considering the timing, this is a pretty hilarious post.
(I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome Triumvirate to Kenny's ever-expanding list of blues. Enjoy your stay in the South guys, I'm sure Molle can find plenty more of his towers for you to babysit over the next few months)
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Yonker
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Yonker on 01/06/2009 19:22:17
Originally by: Ackaroth Random question -- and one that may have been addressed in a previous post, but can we see an old screenshot of one of your "pos.jpg"? I'm just kinda curious what it looks like is all. Doesn't have to be anything recent, I realize that info may be a bit privy (or maybe not, spiez in the swarm or whatnot).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3H9dQfVN3Ns
starting @ 0:51...but watch the whole video. That there grape cage contained the majority of BoB's cap and support fleet for an entire month.
It basically says This tower comes out in this many hours and then lists what that translates into real people time.
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BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:22:00 -
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hmmmmmmm so if I move into your region I get to defend your space against an overwhelming horde while being mocked on your internal forums, all for no charge?
and if I want to use basic services like docking and ratting, I only have to pay a small monthly fee?
SIGN ME UP
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zyxphoni Being a "pet" isn't just about paying someone (even though your post admits to various entities paying fees in a very muddled manner). It's also about a mentality. We don't 'expect' or 'dictate' anything to our allies. If ZAF wanted to spend their day in empire, so be it. We're not going to take their space, tell them how to use their space or anything else. You on the other hand do what you are told or you get the hell out. If that means fighting then that means fighting; if it means paying rent then it means paying rent. We treat our allies as if they were equals. Kenny treats you like you are Blade alliance.
Proxay > So, in summary Proxay > I have been allied with bob for 3 years, Blade for 2 Proxay > We've never paid for rent/access whatever Proxay > We're not forced to participate on ops Proxay > We're not expected to contribute any item or anything Proxay > We're independent, and only have to follow a lose set of courtesy rules
In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.
Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kadoe Allow me to re-clarify;
If you aren't there to shoot anything, and expect to be defended if attacked, yet wont defend anyone else, or yourself, you pay. If you are a pvp entity (Blade., EXE, SCA, X13, etc etc) you do not pay a thing, ever. I am struggling to think of an entity that had to pay, but that isn't my business so I will just settle with "I don't know of any that had to pay".
As said in point 1) We never paid for any access.
Since you have three years of experience with the GBC, you were around when they were renting large swaths of the east (and Fountain) to alliances like RISE and GONAD that were actually fighting on that front. You know RISE, they've reformed as Skunk Works after exorbitant rent and halfhearted support from BoB destroyed their last alliance. In any event, they were as PvP-oriented as any of the other alliances you listed.
All you've done in this thread is attempt to extrapolate your "we've never paid rent" anecdote into the demonstrably false proclamation that "Ken has never ever charged their (contributing) allies rent."
While you've attached the caveat that "I don't know of any that had to pay," you could have more accurately phrased as "I don't know what I'm talking about." I realize you feel some need to defend your past three years spent tucking your ears into your rear but if you do it with blatantly, demonstrably false generalities you might as well just save your breath.
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SFShootme
Caldari Reikoku Reloaded KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Himo Amasacia Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 01/06/2009 19:08:29
Originally by: Kadoe "follow this standings list" nothing more. 2) Band of Brothers / KenZoku have never asked for anything ridiculous, or in any way been rude ....
Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing...
In said forums, didn't they call you scum? And completely worthless?
Wasn't that, like, rude?
Didn't you emoquit because this game started to ~seriously affect your real life~?
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Soggybottom
Gallente The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Proxay
In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.
Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.
Ah yes that 2 week period where you and the rest of the pets did a terrible job trying to accomplish something.
Then the Bob forums were leaked and bobbits were deriding all of you for being terrible and worthless, forbidding you to use caps, and stating that if the Delve residents didn't start pulling their weight they'd be reset.
Yep key allies the lot of you.
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Proxay
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Soggybottom
Originally by: Proxay
In those 3 years, bob has asked ONCE for us to participate, and that was during their fighting against PL, and that was for a period of 2 weeks.
Those are logs from #Scrapheap IRC.
Ah yes that 2 week period where you and the rest of the pets did a terrible job trying to accomplish something.
Then the Bob forums were leaked and bobbits were deriding all of you for being terrible and worthless, forbidding you to use caps, and stating that if the Delve residents didn't start pulling their weight they'd be reset.
Yep key allies the lot of you.
Not going to deny any of that, I don't recall being told to stop using caps though, but yeah, that was the two weeks (*Out of 3 years) I mentioned before.
nn.
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Heathkit
Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:50:00 -
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I would like to extend the offer to Blade. (why periods in alliance names? Exclamation points would be so much cooler) and any other members of the GBC to come live in Delve. If you want docking and ratting rights, you'll simply need to pay me a moderate one-time fee. I guarantee plenty of ~good fights~, and if you're lucky Sam Handwich might even DD your 5 man HAC gang!
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Katsura Kotonoha
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 19:56:00 -
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Space for sale! So far we've sold:
Esoteria Constellations: 3WN-1T - Digital Fury Corp - 6bn pcm 7ZRW-G 8T-OLH 9D1V-O AJG-MV E-ILCH FY6-NK JSZ-X6 - Miners with Attitude - 6bn pcm O-PQU0 Q-2BI6 R2-BT6
Systems: QS- - Executive Outcomes - Gratis
Complex: D-FVI7 - Razorback Inc - 3b pwk (rising to 3.2 in mid-Feb)
Fethyabolis Constellations: 1ANT-J 3-PC31 - Pending ownership by CorM, effective 1st Feb 2007. 3-U491 42-WDG - GIT-R-DUN - 6bn pcm (tbc - 1st Feb) AV-SCL - TARDZ - 6bn pcm - 3.1b in feb, then back to 6b (part payment for jan). C45-9Y I-3ODK JQA8-6 L-H07K OFQ-HG RHG-4O - RISE - 7.5 - 8bn pcm (tbc) YZKE-Q - Intrepid Crossing - 6bn pcm
Systems: K-9 - Confederation of the Red Moon - 3bn pcm 3-YX2D - The Legion of Steel Warriors - colonisation deal, 3b pcm.
Complex: GHZ-SJ - R I S E - 3.5bn pwk, paid to Eol Galathil
Paragon Soul Constellations: 17K-QM GEP-XF I-CCEI IZ-FBT TCC-ZV D9DM-O Quasar Inc - 6bn pcm
Systems: GQ2S-8 - Dark Rising - Gratis
Complex: ZDYA-G - Exile Strike Team - 3.2bn pwk
Period Basis Constellations: 6KFH-X - Dark & Light - 5bn pcm (up to 6bn pcm next month) J8-G8K - Mercenary Coalition - One erebus per year for Dians' ship replacement
Querious XLL-27 - Gunboat Diplomacy - 6bn pcm
Any I've missed?
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Zyxphoni
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:07:00 -
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Quick Update: We blueballed Kenny and their new Atlas and Tri buddies at an R64 coming out of reinforced. They cried like little girls. Later, when they tried to take down one of our jammers we completely destroyed them and they are currently logging out after crying.
GF
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: adriaans
My corp is primarily a pvp corp, however also quite a bit into exploration for funding pvp ships.
I personally lived in 0.0 before creating ankaa (when IAC fell, my other char was part of -A-), a few of those i got to know there joined ankaa later, so some of us already got 0.0 experience, i'm also experienced within small scale roaming FC'ing, 25% of my corp is very close to capital ships, so it's not like my corp can't offer anything of combat value (we are rather effective in skirmish warfare and harrassing hostiles). it just seems 0.0 alliances refuse to recruit corps unless you got 100+ members...which is rather hard to get when staying in low sec since no one wants to be there...:/ So we are combat oriented, we have combat experience, we have skillpoints, we work together, but we don't have numbers, what (if anything) can make someone look past our low membership? (which would be waaay easier to increase if part of a 0.0 alliance)
penifSMASH: ''I appreciate the sincerity of this post. Convo me in-game if you're looking to join your corp into an alliance.''
if that's the usual goon recruitment scam, don't bother, if it isn't, well i guess i can get surprised.
i'm not averse to writing on this topic, though it's not really an area of expertise for me; we had a great amount of success with greating gia alt corps and using them as infiltrators, but i'm afraid the general readership will simply see the article as a rehash of the "how to get your alliance into 0.0" piece i did a month or so ago
some alliance accept low membership corps but honestly you're not likely to get far without expanding your corp, and that would probably require setting up the infrastructure for expansion - concrete programs to entice your members and keep them in pvp ships, like a reimbursement program - you need an income source though first before you can do this
also it's a bad time for alliance recruiting since the great war is white hot; when the war is less 'on fire' alliances will be less spy-paranoid and more willing to recruit
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Elbon Ekaj
Minmatar Stellar Convertors
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15 ^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan
Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?
we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone
diplomacy is part of the game son~
ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote "if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.
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The Mittani
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:34:00 -
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also wow blade is hypersensitive itt
i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~
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SFShootme
Caldari Reikoku Reloaded KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani also wow blade is hypersensitive itt
i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
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AdAlpha
Caldari Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Zyxphoni Quick Update: We blueballed Kenny and their new Atlas and Tri buddies at an R64 coming out of reinforced. They cried like little girls. Later, when they tried to take down one of our jammers we completely destroyed them and they are currently logging out after crying.
GF
HAHAHA funny ****, please try again goooooonie :)
We just tripple doomsdayed you, and killed 10 towers so far :)
Please dont stop posting.
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Snowden Vel
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme how the system currently implemented works
Mad props for not charging rent when you have no space to rent.
Truly you are benevolent overlords.
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Dramaticus
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kadoe
Their private forums were opened a while ago for public viewing, the people charged isk weren't expected to help defend Band of Brothers sovereignty,[i] or PvP at all
no you were expected to sit around like helpless tools while you were grinded off the sov map and to be fair they got what they paid for in that regard Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Weaselior
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
yes, now the person who pays rent is you
(to aaa) Sig removed, inappropriate content - Mitnal |
SavageBastard
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:05:23
Originally by: Kadoe Edited by: Kadoe on 01/06/2009 19:05:15
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast
Originally by: Kadoe
Originally by: Zell Shadowcast Yeah folks if you were PvP powerhouses like Blade. you would simply realize that paying people money to be somewhere isn't paying rent at all.
Or you could read the part where I said we've never paid a thing.
thelung187 can confirm that, he had a spy within Aegis Evolution for a short period of time, there was no alliance fees/taxes on any member.
Never stop posting bro
"We never called it rent as there was no entrance fee. We just exchanged money for temporary access to someone elses assets, some may call that rent, i just call them crazy"
You seem pretty stupid bro, "Never paid anything" means "Never paid anything".
I think the part that may be confusing people is where you said that you paid something.
Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15 ^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan
Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?
we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone
diplomacy is part of the game son~
ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote "if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.
I think it's pretty awesome considering that Imperian has been leading Euro TZ ops to buttes and glory for weeks and is probably the most enthusiastic NC member when it comes to being in the south smearing -A-nimu blood all over the sov map. You can try to smack it up all you want but it's hard to argue with what is actually happening, isn't it?
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BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
yeah sorry but I'm going to trust an article on ten ton hammer more than I'm going to trust some random kengoku scrub
maybe if you guys were noteworthy enough to get a weekly column I'd listen to you?
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BEAR GRYLLZZZ
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:09:00 -
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nah probably not
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Heathkit
Minmatar Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:18:00 -
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omg its BEAR GRYLLZZZ go eat a bug
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SavageBastard
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:21:00
BTW Skunk-Works how is that failure cascade coming along? Noticed you lost another member corp today. Don't worry I'm sure the scrubs jumping into A2- gates unscouted still know you're their daddy.
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Elbon Ekaj
Minmatar Stellar Convertors
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Elbon Ekaj on 01/06/2009 22:26:01
Originally by: SavageBastard Edited by: SavageBastard on 01/06/2009 22:05:23
Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
Originally by: The Mittani Edited by: The Mittani on 01/06/2009 15:24:15 ^^ if you think the reason sov4 matters is because of the capital system invulnerability, you're probably in an alliance like ursha'khan
Originally by: Elbon Ekaj
a question mister Mittani what make you thinking that you can protect a sov4 const alone when you are even not able to protect a sov3 system alone?
we don't treat our allies like pets or charge them rent so we never need to fight alone
diplomacy is part of the game son~
ok mister mittani i was didnt thought that you will call the north the next 2 years long every week to save you, because i remember a imperian post, he wrote "if a alliance cant protect alone their own space, they didn't deserve it" what do you think about that mister mittani? it's from one of your closest allies.
I think it's pretty awesome considering that Imperian has been leading Euro TZ ops to buttes and glory for weeks and is probably the most enthusiastic NC member when it comes to being in the south smearing -A-nimu blood all over the sov map. You can try to smack it up all you want but it's hard to argue with what is actually happening, isn't it?
why dont you ansewr my question? Imperian is saying on caod "only people that are able to proctect their own space alone are deserves it" our beloved leader Mittani is saying they are only able to hold delve and querios with the help of others.
So tell me what's your option? in relation to Imperian you guys don't deserve your space, do yu think Imperian have right at this point?
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Tukra
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:36:00 -
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Elbon Ekaj Jake Noble
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Firkragg
Amarr Blue Labs Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani also wow blade is hypersensitive itt
i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
Well tbh it was hard for you to use your old system of renting space when you no longer have spare space to rent.
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ZeGermans
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani also wow blade is hypersensitive itt
i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
So I guess RISE changed the policy when they all joined bob along with all the other riffraff former renters?
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ZeGermans
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tukra Elbon Ekaj Jake Noble
holy ****
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Devian 666
Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.01 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 01/06/2009 20:47:25
Originally by: The Mittani also wow blade is hypersensitive itt
i don't see why this is new we have been pointing out that the gkc is an organization of sharecroppers for 2+ years now~
Its funny how you refer to RISE in that article while I'm sure your aware that is far from how the system currently implemented works. Making the logic in your article pretty unoteworthy and off-topic on the current situation.
Have you ever noticed how every Kenny post is vague and non-specific? It appears that Kenny members either do not know the renting system works or they are too embarrassed to state the details.
If you wish to refute the GKC as sharecropping organisation you need to publish details of how renting actually works.
Also, you really should get back to farming level 4s so you can take back Delve in the next 5 months. http://obeythekitten.com/ |
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