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Yvonne Desire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:24:00 -
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I have now been doing this mission with 2 accounts for over an hour. AFter salvaging and looting the 2 first rooms inn The Score sansha Nations. There is one single frigate that appears inn the last room and slavages all my wrecks even before i manage to get to wearabouts the wrecks are. He doesent go flashy Red since salvaging is not a Criminal act since it is not Concidered as stealing an object. What does Stealing mean? To take something from another that is not yours is that not right? If i had accepted that he could claim my wrecks i would be fine with it. But since this person is Stealing my salvage i have nothing i can retaliate or do withouth getting destroyed by concord. I really feel that this salavge rule of yours should be changed. It only profits the once who are stealing wrecks inn eve. And if they did go flashy red towards the once owning the wrecks We could hit them and they would even have the oppurtunity to fight back if that is what they really wanted anyway.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:36:00 -
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Look i/everyone/the devs and there cats are getting real sick of you idiots
1 it isnt your salvage it belong to no one only the loot dose
2 if you dont like it you got two options
suck it up and quit you god damn whining
LEAVE EVE we would be thankful to see you gone so we dont have to put up whith youe whining and you can go spend you money on a game that you can enjoy with no risk that will hold you hand all the way though and make sure nothing bad ever happens EVER
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Clansworth
Farstrider Industries MARS WARFARE CENTRE
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:38:00 -
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As stated over and over and over again, your misconception here is in calling the YOUR wrecks. CCP has claimed over and over again that the wreck itself is in the public domain. They are kind enough to protect the traditional loot though.
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Yvonne Desire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:38:00 -
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Oy i did not say i dont want any risk. i said i want to be able to shoot at the thief. read my post before you reply.
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Yvonne Desire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Clansworth As stated over and over and over again, your misconception here is in calling the YOUR wrecks. CCP has claimed over and over again that the wreck itself is in the public domain. They are kind enough to protect the traditional loot though.
well this is the reason why i want to discuss it, since it is wrong to say loot is your but wreck is public? i mean common.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:48:00 -
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god damn just read up on RL salvage rights and stop crying about it
my first post stands
suck it up or get out
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Yvonne Desire
Originally by: Clansworth As stated over and over and over again, your misconception here is in calling the YOUR wrecks. CCP has claimed over and over again that the wreck itself is in the public domain. They are kind enough to protect the traditional loot though.
well this is the reason why i want to discuss it, since it is wrong to say loot is your but wreck is public? i mean common.
Well I say make the loot public too
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Yvonne Desire
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Originally by: Yvonne Desire
Originally by: Clansworth As stated over and over and over again, your misconception here is in calling the YOUR wrecks. CCP has claimed over and over again that the wreck itself is in the public domain. They are kind enough to protect the traditional loot though.
well this is the reason why i want to discuss it, since it is wrong to say loot is your but wreck is public? i mean common.
Well I say make the loot public too
Yeah well that would basically make it more understandable, seperating the two is just messed up imo. But that can have to do with the fact that they dident really have salvage inn the first place inn the game.
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Pesets
The Hunt Club
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Posted - 2009.06.02 17:56:00 -
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Yes, it's public. It's "as designed". http://wiki.eveonline.com/wiki/Wrecks#Wreck_Ownership
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G Look i/everyone/the devs and there cats are getting real sick of you idiots
1 it isnt your salvage it belong to no one only the loot dose
2 if you dont like it you got two options
suck it up and quit you god damn whining
LEAVE EVE we would be thankful to see you gone so we dont have to put up whith youe whining and you can go spend you money on a game that you can enjoy with no risk that will hold you hand all the way though and make sure nothing bad ever happens EVER
You forgot, missioning in lowsec, then you can shoot them without concord
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FBI Homelandsecurity
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Posted - 2009.06.02 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yvonne Desire
I really feel that this salvage rule of yours should be changed. It only profits the ones who are salvaging wrecks in eve.
Ah sweet sweet care bear tears. I had to change steal to salvaging though as salvaging is not a crime, and it makes the sentence more true.
Originally by: Yvonne Desire And if they did go flashy red towards the one owning the wrecks We could hit them and they would even have the opportunity to fight back if that is what they really wanted anyway.
If they really want to fight they would just steal the loot too. And many do that. But the funny part is that people ask for us to go flashy red but when we do you generally* tend to hide. While I can't speak for others I will say that I salvage only because I know it annoys the living hell out of carebears. It makes them send threatening eve mails, it makes them emorage in local, they do funny things like target me or they start blowing up wrecks, and it makes them run to the forums to cry about it. All factors that I get a kick out of.
*Marked for those who have a lack of reading comp skills. Generally does not mean all.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yvonne Desire What does Stealing mean? To take something from another that is not yours is that not right?
yes, and following this logic you're stealing from the NPC too.
PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD
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dannyBOy16437
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:16:00 -
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The current system is fine.
The wrecks are not yours. Neither should the loot, but luckily for you and me, it does, as when some MR decides to shoot me in my defenceless dessy, I go and change into my Abaddon and gain another CRN kill
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Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.02 19:38:00 -
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inb4 the lock
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Dzil
Caldari Waffles Reloaded
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Posted - 2009.06.02 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Yvonne Desire Oy i did not say i dont want any risk. i said i want to be able to shoot at the thief. read my post before you reply.
There's no thief. This would be akin to concord letting you shoot someone because they came to a mission site and started mining.
If you want to be able to shoot people that show up at your mission site, go to low/null sec. Problem solved, pew pew for everyone! You can even shoot any hulks that show up and steal your asteroids.
------------------------------ In EVE, when someone undercuts you, they're a lemming.
When you undercut someone else, it's skill/effort/manipulation.
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Kel Nissa
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Posted - 2009.06.02 20:56:00 -
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Just some hints:
- Stealing real world "trash" is actually not legal in many countries. - When you use mining as metapher, keep in mind that taking minerals out of jetcan flags. So just dont use mining - its a bad example to prove your point.
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Robert Caldera
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Posted - 2009.06.02 21:11:00 -
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because its not your loot inside of NPC wrecks nobody should get flagged for looting NPC wrecks.
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4THELULZ
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Posted - 2009.06.03 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: 4THELULZ on 03/06/2009 00:12:45 Heh, sure, go right ahead and shoot the ninja. I hope you've got funds for the ransom they'll be charging when they come back with PVP fitted battleships and logistic support. Edit: dannyBOy16437 provided me with a perfect example right there. Have fun when the likes of him show up. Hell, if they put this change in, I would be off ganking CNRs. I just love people who think just because their ship is big it's good in pvp.
Seriously why is it that these concepts so hard to understand? - It's not yours. - A system like this will mean more dead carebears than "ninjas". Just look at canflipping. - Following from above, griefers will find ways to abuse any new feature far better than you in your little iskmobile. - It's not yours. - It's not yours.
Repeated 3 times for emphasis, but frankly any hope I held that you'd get this into your head was gone several threads and blue posts ago.
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Sedri
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Posted - 2009.07.03 21:34:00 -
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Not that it should be a surprise that no one had a completely constructive replay the Yvonne's post, all I see here is what appears to be children raging against an idea they donÆt like. Yes I be lave that everyone realizes that salvage dose not belong to anyone, but to me it would be obvious that what she is requesting is that salvage be set like cans and the player who destroys the ship be given ownership. I can see both the honest pros and cons to this idea. Pro: There is monetary value involved with what can be gained by wrecks, so the person who killed the ship should get the gain Con: Not everyone salvages wrecks so the number of wrecks left out all over the busier systems could become overwhelming.
Now IÆm sure that I am going to be flamed several times for this post. So all I ask is please at least give good reasons as ôITS NOT YOURSö dose not seem very constructive to me.
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Lork Niffle
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.03 22:22:00 -
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Read up on actual real life salvage or flotsam i believe the nautical term is used. it actually doesn't belong to anyone. you can in real life actaully go with a torch cutter or pair of claws pick up steel etc from wreckages and use it, or at least something to that idea.
CCP have already given a response where it doesn't belong to you but to the realms of space where the term 'finders keepers, loser weepers' comes into play.
It is actually a constructive response due to it actually being the response to this entire subject that is brought up every day. ------------------------------------- Read my bio ingame for tips on how to live and not be called nasty names by me. |
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Shadi Dee
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Posted - 2009.07.03 22:24:00 -
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salvaging your wreck is fine and i'm not even flashing red... shooting your wreck will spawn concord. how is that?
tbh, i kill it is my wreck, at least in high sec. salvaging my wreck should be same as stealing, you get a warning then i have the right to fire upon you. and should apply to any kill, piracy/suicide ganking included.
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Fircon
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Posted - 2009.07.03 22:56:00 -
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In some systems i got really hard problems with that. And i am angry about salvaging wrecks by somebody who wasn¦t responsible for the downing. So i wished to shoot at them but i knew- i get shot by concord myself - just wondering how concord can jump into deadspace and we can only by jumpgates. So i suggest that you can shoot at somebody who salvage "your" wrecks when you entered deadspace. No risk - NO FUN 8) (Or look for other systems....-you don¦t have to quit eve like some players suggested!) greetx
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ollobrains
THORN Syndicate Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.03 23:10:00 -
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If they take loot its aggro If they salvage join a corp and get someone to salvage for u Goto 00 and the salvage is much more porfitable
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Chi Quan
Bibkor Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.07.04 00:40:00 -
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1. shoot your wrecks. if you can't have it, neither should they. 2. petition to ccp, the more petitions, the sooner they'll change it.
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:03:00 -
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They won't change it.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.07.04 01:20:00 -
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As I said in a previous whine thread, I wonder what would happen if salvaging DID flag the perp.
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Xindi Kraid
Gene Works
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Posted - 2009.07.04 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
Originally by: Yvonne Desire
Originally by: Clansworth As stated over and over and over again, your misconception here is in calling the YOUR wrecks. CCP has claimed over and over again that the wreck itself is in the public domain. They are kind enough to protect the traditional loot though.
well this is the reason why i want to discuss it, since it is wrong to say loot is your but wreck is public? i mean common.
Well I say make the loot public too
Seconded
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Nano Plague
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Posted - 2009.09.30 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nano Plague on 30/09/2009 16:43:13 I see lots of "get out if you don't like it" "quit eve" etc... and the mention of the Devs would want that as well. Would they? Would they really want to lose revenue because YOU are tired of someone expressing their opinion? I think not. Seems you think very highly of your position within the game - bottom line - you are just another account holder and a source of income for CCP. I don't care if you have been playing since day 1 of the game release - you mean NO more then someone who joined today. Get over yourself.
Have an opinion? Then state it. Yes, this includes stating you are sick of a topic coming up - but not to tell people to quit the game because YOU don't like their opinion.
Simple solution to mission salvage - put a 1 hour timer on the mission wrecks. Within the first hour the "belong" to the person and /or corp that runs the mission - after the 1 hour timer is up - they are fair game. Is this the solution? I have no idea, but it's an option.
YES, I am aware that this is NOT how things are set up now - lots of things in this game change over time. This can too. Maybe this subject keeps coming up because MANY people don't like the rules the way they are now? Simply put this is how people get things changed - by stating opinions and offering options as food for thought.
Signed, Just another EVE player
p.s. same as you!
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Altie McName
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Nano Plague same old stuff over and over again on how salvage "should be handled"
I refer you to this thread in which many links and quotes, along with arguments, are presented to prove that CCP wants salvage to be this way, along with getting one of the most vocal players alt's on this topic to actually admit, to a degree, this is the mechanic and shows he can't deny it anymore either. You can pick up where he left off if you desire
Linkage
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AsheraII
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Posted - 2009.09.30 17:05:00 -
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When will people learn to salvage their wrecks as-they-go instead of kill group 1 -> kill group 2 -> kill group 3 -> salvage & loot group 3 -> salvage & loot group 2 -> salvage & loot group 1. The proper order is: kill group 1, start salvaging as soon as the first target is down -> finish up salvaging group 1 -> kill group 2, start salvaging as soon as the first target is down -> finish up salvaging group 2 -> kill group 3, start salvaging as soon as the first target is down -> finish up salvaging group 3
Funny enough, you'll also save yourself a LOT of time flying around. Groups are generaly placed a bit apart, meaning you won't agro every one of them. However, if you enter the same space in a lower quality ship, say, a frigate instead of a cruiser, (not uncommon, I've encountered quite some salvagers in something as puny as an Ibis) then there is a rather good chance to agro the next group. This won't give you much trouble, let the NPC's sort out the ninja-salvager, just finish salvaging before you worry about that group.
And for your info, salvaging is NOT considered stealing by anyone except ex-WOW players.
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