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SlartiBeerFest
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:03:00 -
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relative noob here (2 months) in a small new corp (casual, industry type) of mostly noobs (3/4 experienced players and about dozen noob.)
got war-dec'd last week by duckeye empire (3 man corp, experienced players) and are just getting picked off and pod killed at their leisure.
seems to be nothing we can do about it? best we've managed is tracking one down near our HQ and camping until he came on - weren't sure what he was flying though so had 1 BS and 1 frigate to try and cover bases (only 2 of us available, both about 2 month old chars) - he came online - saw us on local - jumped to an alt we weren't at war with and scanned our ships so he knew what to deal with - then came out in a BS, and killed us both easily (T2 drone killed me, faction torp for the BS) doubtless if it wasn't a sure win he'd have just waited/jump cloned out (battle clinic shows he only takes easy fights - noobs/miners etc.)
i can see the concord/hi-sec system prevents experienced players whacking noobs and miners but unless I'm missing something all they have to do is form a tiny corp, war-dec a noob corp and it's open day for a..holes again.
any suggestions gratefully received - but please, if they involve something like "get 2 wolf packs of 5/6 players each..." it ain't going to happen. we're a casual corp from all diff timezones and that's not realistic for us. People are all ready leaving or playing something else until they p... off.
thanks in advance
PS. posted here because this is a general game problem - stopping experienced players driving noob/casual players away from eve - not everyone is a hardcore player
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:06:00 -
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Poor puppy..
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Mrsticks
Minmatar RNCGM Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mrsticks on 03/06/2009 06:08:56 Make a Alt, Put them incharge of the corp, Quit the corp, Wait for them to get borred. And make sure your head Quarters is across the galixy from where you play. and if theres a wardec move again.
Long Live TEXAS! Texans join the Texas channel in game plz.
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Rhinanna
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:10:00 -
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Or hire mercs to wardec them. Or join an alliance so it costs them more to wardec you.
Eventually they will have to stop just from the increasing cost of the war decs.
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:12:00 -
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Stop training on alt in corp, log into different alt, keep playing. Presumably not all of your alts are in this corp.
Oh, and this isn't a "problem". Don't like it, leave.
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SlartiBeerFest
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: SlartiBeerFest on 03/06/2009 06:17:50
Originally by: Kat Bandeis Oh, and this isn't a "problem". Don't like it, leave.
er... are you missing something? that may well happen but this game is a business (for CCP) - not an attitude to promote growth that is it?
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: SlartiBeerFest Edited by: SlartiBeerFest on 03/06/2009 06:17:50
Originally by: Kat Bandeis Oh, and this isn't a "problem". Don't like it, leave.
er... are you missing something? that may well happen but this game is a business (for CCP) - not an attitude to promote growth that is it?
It would be an issue if this wasnt the direction the game has always held. If you dislike the war dec mechanics; Leave your corp, or the game. Your choice. ___________________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:27:00 -
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A frigate isn't going to even out the playing field between a good and experienced BS pilot and a 2 month old noobie, that can't possibly have all relevant skills at good levels. The way you could make things even, is to use E-war or surprise tactics. Also try not to let the enemy get the advantage. He was smart and got intel on what he was getting into. After that he just used the proper tool to deal with you. Doing anything other would have been stupid for him.
A corporation isn't just a chat channel. If it folds after a 3 man corp decced it, it was a failure to begin with. Part of a good corp is the ability to protect its members. There is ofcourse a limit to what a corp can do, but you outnumber them by a nice margin, so you should be just fine.
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Kezzle
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Posted - 2009.06.03 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
A corporation isn't just a chat channel. If it folds after a 3 man corp decced it, it was a failure to begin with. Part of a good corp is the ability to protect its members. There is ofcourse a limit to what a corp can do, but you outnumber them by a nice margin, so you should be just fine.
This.
A Corp in Eve is not like a Guild in WoW. It, as you have found, brings disadvantages to go with its advantages. This is a theme which you'll find running through the whole game. Being subject to wardecs is probably the worst "side effect" of forming a corp, and should be something you are prepared for (either to ride it out or to prosecute the war).
Even large corporations wardecced by minnows have to modify their behaviour. Some will suspend all corp activity except sanctioned, organised hunts for war targets. Your corp doesn't (yet) have the throw-weight to prosecute the war, so you need to evade it.
Hopefully, the agresssor corp has a reason for its actions, even if that's only the hope to extort some cash out of an easy target. If it's extortion, perhaps there are other corps who've suffered from their attentions who'd like to help you deal with them. Maybe it's worth a few tens of k getting in touvh with people on their kill list and building an Alliance?
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.06.03 07:08:00 -
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Well, number one is too have fun. Train so you can use electronic warfare modules (ECM, sensor damps etc.) Hunt them in gangs and EW the heck out of them and kill them, EW tends to get people too whine a lot and if they are not having fun they will move on. All races have frigates and cruisers that have bonusses to Ewar, they are cheap and do ok, so use them.
Also make sure your members are not doing anything stupid, this is not the time too be mining or running missions in faction fitted ships, pull together and loose the weak members, you should be fine.
They're like 'oh **** son, its a trap *Doomsday* |
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Big Lotto
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:05:00 -
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stay in a NPC :P
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:08:00 -
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You should get that Concord emblem that prevents anyone from deccing you, it was at least sold in the Concord HQ in Yulai before the station got destroyed.
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:39:00 -
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If you can pay concord to look the other way when you want to go shooty shooty on someone wouldn't it make sense to be able to pay concord to get out of the same situation?
Originally by: Fifinella As to trying to scare me with 0.0/lowsec, well,..... I've been there, and wasn't very scared at all. Only a little.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:52:00 -
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Deny the war deccing corp what it wants. If this is easy kills then make yourself difficult to kill.
Stick together, post scouts, be mobile. Either dock up, cloak or move to a different system if a war target enters the system you are in.
Don't respond to taunts, just sit there and wait for boredom to set in. If you can leave yourself logged in for a long time while you are afk, even better.
Pay a merc corp to fight your fight for you.
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Mal'ol Soddo
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Posted - 2009.06.03 08:59:00 -
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Not much that can be done, the war dec system allows the wannabe pirates to go shoot up some noobs whilst station hugging.
My advice? Tanked BS sat 60km from a gate, with all your mates logging off at the side of you (helps to check they didn't see you do that). Wait for wannabe to show up then mass logon.
Do this several times. They'll retract on the basis that any target might be a log on trap.
Cheap tactic? Hell yeah, but just as crappy as war deccing noobs for killboard epeen.
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:16:00 -
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Join a corp that can protect it's members. Creat your own corp when you can protect your own members.
Simple as that. There are enough corps out there to fit any playstyle. You might even make new friends in this mmo, who knows.
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Flitz Farseeker
Gallente Interstellar Stormfront
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:31:00 -
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I can think of three responses:
1. Pack tactics - fleet up and camp their station with overwhelming forces. 2. Dock up - If you don't have the manpower to take them on, just don't. Play an alt, watch TV, do something in RL 3. Move out - move to a system a few jumps away from your normal hunting grounds. If they can't find you they can't gank you. If they do find you (e.g. through locator agents) just move on. As there are only three of them, add them to your buddy lists so you can see when they are on and if they enter local where you are.
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Lilla Kharn
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:32:00 -
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Recruit me. I'm leaving my alliance right now. Not sure where to go.
============================================= "Only the dead have seen the end of war" - Plato
Black Ops fuel equation
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MightyRhinox
Minmatar Rhinox Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.03 09:57:00 -
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Disband and reform, create a couple of alts and wardec yourself.
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Sirius Snape
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Posted - 2009.06.03 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius Snape on 03/06/2009 10:01:04 Sadly, this is just one of those things.
There are a lot of gankers out there who don't have the cajones to move to low-sec or null and would rather wardec carebear corps who have no inclination or desire to fight PVP just yet. That way, they can gloat over their killboard and stroke their epeen everytime they take down an Iteron V. It's sad, but it is a reality.
Truthfully, every corp in Eve has to deal with the prospect of a wardec, and how you handle it is up to you. I was a member of a fairly young corp comprised of fairly new players, and we were wardecced by a couple of idiots who would camp hi-sec gates near our base of operations in battleships and shoot down destroyers and frigates. Quite sad really. To deal with this, we first of all deprived them of targets by moving around as much as possible and station hiding. Then we hired mercs which, while expensive, was extremely effective. They didn't seem to be so keen on fighting targets equal to them so soon after the wardec was dropped.
What we also managed to do is find out that one of the members of this corp was an alt of the CEO of a fairly large mining/industry corp in our area. He posted this information on his corporations unsecured forums, the nub.
So, sometime in the future, my old corporation has plans to extract their revenge and go after this industry corp and see how much they like it.
So my advice would be decide how you want to handle this, stick it out, and when you get the opportunity in the future, seek your revenge. |
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thecunning mrfox
Minmatar Idle Miners Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2009.06.03 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Lilla Kharn Recruit me. I'm leaving my alliance right now. Not sure where to go.
Spy infiltration detection alarm activated
arOOGaaa arOOGaaa arOOGaaa
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.03 10:58:00 -
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Sadly the only way you should 'deal' in eve with a wardec is basicly boring them so they wardec someone else next week.
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:05:00 -
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So, you don't have the numbers to swarm him with T1 cruisers neither the skill to go one-on-one with him. In this case element of surprise is your best bet. See in that situation you described your element of surprise was gone. He was sitting in station with all this equipment/ships pat his disposal thinking to himself "hrm a Dominix outside, kinetic hardener - check, thermic hardener - check, explosive drones - check". So if you want to kill him under these circumstances you have to lure him into situations where he is mistaken into thinking that he has an advantage.
Other popular options to avoiding wardecs in high sec space: - move out to 0.0 or lowsec space where he has to deal with local alliance or local pirates - join an alliance in empire space so wardec transfer to them then you have more people to fight with - stop playing the game for a while - get advice/help from more experienced players in game
Link to PVP University |
Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:14:00 -
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First of all, DON'T undock. If they kill anyone, they will continue the war. If they can't, they will get bored and look for another victim.
-Stay logged in but don't undock. Go afk. watch as they sit outside your station for 12 hours at a time. -Alternatively, leave an alt as CEO, then have everyone quit the corp. Play in NPC corps, keeping a passworded/access controlled channel for you all to talk. When the pirates get bored and drop the war, join again. BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |
Tellok
Internal Anarchy
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: SlartiBeerFest relative noob here (2 months) in a small new corp (casual, industry type) of mostly noobs (3/4 experienced players and about dozen noob.)
got war-dec'd last week by duckeye empire (3 man corp, experienced players) and are just getting picked off and pod killed at their leisure.
seems to be nothing we can do about it? best we've managed is tracking one down near our HQ and camping until he came on - weren't sure what he was flying though so had 1 BS and 1 frigate to try and cover bases (only 2 of us available, both about 2 month old chars) - he came online - saw us on local - jumped to an alt we weren't at war with and scanned our ships so he knew what to deal with - then came out in a BS, and killed us both easily (T2 drone killed me, faction torp for the BS) doubtless if it wasn't a sure win he'd have just waited/jump cloned out (battle clinic shows he only takes easy fights - noobs/miners etc.)
i can see the concord/hi-sec system prevents experienced players whacking noobs and miners but unless I'm missing something all they have to do is form a tiny corp, war-dec a noob corp and it's open day for a..holes again.
any suggestions gratefully received - but please, if they involve something like "get 2 wolf packs of 5/6 players each..." it ain't going to happen. we're a casual corp from all diff timezones and that's not realistic for us. People are all ready leaving or playing something else until they p... off.
thanks in advance
PS. posted here because this is a general game problem - stopping experienced players driving noob/casual players away from eve - not everyone is a hardcore player
contact tortugan in game join channel intan-pub
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:36:00 -
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Not sure if it's already posted but if you're in a small corp, full of new players who don't have a clue on the game (no offense) and who are due to TZ differences incapable (and perhaps unwilling) to get some teamwork, then you might just have to come to the conclusion that you're not really helping yourself.
While that may sound harsh it really isn't, the GAME is harsh. Most of us have been there, first time I played I had the same issue and I quit playing. Only to come back a few months later determined to make it work. It's a phase you have to go through because if you avoid it now it'll catch up with you later.
It's all about thinking about what you're doing. Are there reds in local, where are they, what are they doing, is my ship fast and agile enough to avoid them, what's happening in the other system, can I taunt them and annoy them in a faster ship. How do I fit my ship to be fast and agile, is it really smart to undock a cruiser or BC, should I use out of corp scouts to gather info.
This may sound stupid but enjoy the situation you're in, learn from it and experiment (with cheap ships, no implants and an updated clone). Who cares if you lose a few crappy fitted frigates?
Self-proclaimed idiot
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kiminara kittycat
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: kiminara kittycat on 03/06/2009 11:46:33 With current wardec mechanics, its almost silly to be in anything but a NPC corp while you are learning the game. Either join an experienced corp with quite a few bodies, or go NPC.
War decs are fairly insanely cheap, so there isn't much reason for a pirate corp to have a few going at all times.
Currently the best way around war decs for a mission runner or miner is not to be in a player controlled corp.
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:50:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 03/06/2009 11:51:15
Originally by: thecunning mrfox
Originally by: Lilla Kharn Recruit me. I'm leaving my alliance right now. Not sure where to go.
Spy infiltration detection alarm activated
arOOGaaa arOOGaaa arOOGaaa
LMAO fox... eve makes us a paranoid, suspicious lot, duzzinit? Cos i thought the exact same thing when i saw that post. (even the spelling of arOOGaaa!)
edit: hang on, OP rings a bell for some reason. Another solution would be to address the reason for the wardec, possibly accepting some personal responsibility for one's actions.
If you aren't who i think you are and that confused you, apologies and never mind.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: SlartiBeerFest relative noob here (2 months) in a small new corp (casual, industry type) of mostly noobs (3/4 experienced players and about dozen noob.)
got war-dec'd last week by duckeye empire (3 man corp, experienced players) and are just getting picked off and pod killed at their leisure.
seems to be nothing we can do about it? best we've managed is tracking one down near our HQ and camping until he came on - weren't sure what he was flying though so had 1 BS and 1 frigate to try and cover bases (only 2 of us available, both about 2 month old chars) - he came online - saw us on local - jumped to an alt we weren't at war with and scanned our ships so he knew what to deal with - then came out in a BS, and killed us both easily (T2 drone killed me, faction torp for the BS) doubtless if it wasn't a sure win he'd have just waited/jump cloned out (battle clinic shows he only takes easy fights - noobs/miners etc.)
i can see the concord/hi-sec system prevents experienced players whacking noobs and miners but unless I'm missing something all they have to do is form a tiny corp, war-dec a noob corp and it's open day for a..holes again.
any suggestions gratefully received - but please, if they involve something like "get 2 wolf packs of 5/6 players each..." it ain't going to happen. we're a casual corp from all diff timezones and that's not realistic for us. People are all ready leaving or playing something else until they p... off.
thanks in advance
PS. posted here because this is a general game problem - stopping experienced players driving noob/casual players away from eve - not everyone is a hardcore player
The correct answer is that if one or two players can defeat you so thoroughly then you and your fellow corp-members are not yet ready to raise your flag and declare your independance yet. Join an established corp, learn from the other members, improve your skills, assets and above all knowledge of the game, then start your corp.
EvE is highly 'Darwinistic'. And the thing about natural slection is that some are selected and some aren't. Rather than blame other players for making easy meat of you, stop making yourself easy meat.
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Pascal Almaric
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.03 11:59:00 -
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If they're going to use game mechanics to get some easy kills, use them right back. Quit your corp, join NPC corps, get a password protected chat channel in place of corp chat, and set each other to +10 personal standings.
And next time you hear somebody complaining that they can't wardec an NPC corp to kill newbies and non-combatants, tell them to quit whining and move to NPC 0.0 where they'll find plenty of people willing to do small scale pew pew.
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