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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.05 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: 4THELULZ
So... you lack fitting skills and money for basic tank and skills for t2 drones? I'm not surprised your losses add up fast trying to fly a Drake with that mess.
He has a slightly less tank and slightly less dps. Calm down |
Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.05 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shade Millith on 05/06/2009 02:36:19
Originally by: 4THELULZ
Originally by: Shade Millith
Originally by: Gypsio III I don't like his empty rig slots or absence of LSE.
Don't have the fitting skill for the LSE and I'm too cheap for the rigs.
When you fly them like I do (In to the middle of a hostile gang and look to gank something before you die) the rigs tend to add up
And the drones I'm looking to fix eventually.
So... you lack fitting skills and money for basic tank and skills for t2 drones? I'm not surprised your losses add up fast trying to fly a Drake with that mess.
Who ever said I lack the money? I fly them solo, and do so with little regard to my survivability. If I can see a possibility to kill something before I die, I attack.
Not much point adding 12-15 mil per death for MAYBE 4k more EHP. And as such, I never fly with implants, as I tend to either pod myself, or get podded on a very regular basis. So a 3% PG implant is something I'm almost never gonna stick in my head, and if I DID have one, it'd be in my empire learning clone. As such, I'm not gonna have the PG to FIT a LSE, even if I have perfect fitting skills. |
Gorefacer
Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.06.05 03:51:00 -
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Personally I go with:
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II
Invulnerability Field II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Extender (best named) Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile [empty high slot] Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Terror Assault Missile
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x5
Pretty much the same as the others but lets you fit it with a 1% PG implant (1.5 million ISK) as I also like to self destruct around the universe a lot.
Somtimes I go with no rigs also if I'm feeling extra cheap.
"You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus |
Cmndr Griff
Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.05 12:25:00 -
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Empty hi-slots make me sad. |
Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.06 02:20:00 -
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Just out of curiosity, why do you guys outfit the drake with a mwd? It makes your signiture bigger so even though you are traveling faster doesnt it negate that? Also wouldnt a simple afterburner be better since it cant be totally scrambled and no loss of cap? Im not as exp as you guys im just asking is all.
#2 Why does everyone always say drake is a weak DPS ship? What makes it this way? It seems to me 7 heavy missle slots is alot of damage. #3And if its not whats its best attribute |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.06 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 06/06/2009 02:38:35
Originally by: Kail Storm Just out of curiosity, why do you guys outfit the drake with a mwd? It makes your signiture bigger so even though you are traveling faster doesnt it negate that? Also wouldnt a simple afterburner be better since it cant be totally scrambled and no loss of cap? Im not as exp as you guys im just asking is all.
To get into range to deal your dps, and to dictate range during a fight. It's kind of basic pvp knowledge.
Originally by: Kail Storm #2 Why does everyone always say drake is a weak DPS ship? What makes it this way? It seems to me 7 heavy missle slots is alot of damage.
Um, it deals fantastic DPS. Even with "long range missiles", it does 500 dps with drones. That's fairly high, giving that it can also easily fit a size able buffer at the same time.
Originally by: Kail Storm #3And if its not whats its best attribute
It's "best attribute" would be it's ability to go 100% gank fit while still fitting very high buffer. People are also in the mindset that Drake's are all passive fail boats (although this mindset is/has changing/changed fast), so people assume you'll be failfit. |
Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.06.06 03:32:00 -
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Drakes are not suitable for pvp. They have a good tank but deal only frigate level dps. They are good for pve because they use missiles, but they are horrible for pvp because they use missiles.
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Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.06 03:36:00 -
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Why are missles horrible? They dont need optimal range? You can use defenders but since you think they horrible i doubt you use them :)....You didnt give any specifics on why they are horribe besides they do frig level DPS but do frigs do 500 DPS I havent seen one yet ? |
Traderboz
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Posted - 2009.06.06 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dagobert Dog Drakes are not suitable for pvp. They have a good tank but deal only frigate level dps. They are good for pve because they use missiles, but they are horrible for pvp because they use missiles.
Noob alert. |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.06 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm Why are missles horrible? They dont need optimal range? You can use defenders but since you think they horrible i doubt you use them :)....You didnt give any specifics on why they are horribe besides they do frig level DPS but do frigs do 500 DPS I havent seen one yet ?
Stealth bombers :3 |
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Dagobert Dog
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Posted - 2009.06.06 04:05:00 -
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Drakes were bad befor the missile nerf. Now they are even worse. A year ago nobody would have sugested a drake as a pvp boat. Why should it now be viable?!? Missiles got nerfed very hard.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.06.06 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dagobert Dog Drakes were bad befor the missile nerf. Now they are even worse. A year ago nobody would have sugested a drake as a pvp boat. Why should it now be viable?!? Missiles got nerfed very hard.
That missile "nerf" made HMs a usable PVP weapon. And didn't affect HAMs. |
E Vile
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Posted - 2009.06.06 12:30:00 -
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Shhhh let them keep thinking HM suck for PVP |
Kail Storm
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Posted - 2009.06.06 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kail Storm on 06/06/2009 16:30:58 Ok so how many Hp`s should I expect to get fro my drake if im doing it right?
Also I always thought up close was the drone carriers playground like the deimos thorax and vexxor but i guess we can launch 5 light drones to help defend that, but still is it tough enough to take on the "Up close" drone ships?
Also i was thinkng would HM do more damage in a overall 4 min fight than HAMs do to the range factor? Say you warped on them at 45 km you could fire for an extra 30km right?
If it comes to a decent missle at 60km+ or a great missle at 18+ i might choose the former.
Also does the drake really fire with 0 cap left? |
Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.06.06 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kail Storm Edited by: Kail Storm on 06/06/2009 16:30:58 Ok so how many Hp`s should I expect to get fro my drake if im doing it right?
Also I always thought up close was the drone carriers playground like the deimos thorax and vexxor but i guess we can launch 5 light drones to help defend that, but still is it tough enough to take on the "Up close" drone ships?
Also i was thinkng would HM do more damage in a overall 4 min fight than HAMs do to the range factor? Say you warped on them at 45 km you could fire for an extra 30km right?
If it comes to a decent missle at 60km+ or a great missle at 18+ i might choose the former.
Also does the drake really fire with 0 cap left?
1. >68k 2. Yes, easily. 3. In gang, HMs > HAMs because of the ability of HMs to hit ECM ships. Range and moving between targets can also be an issue, but ~18 KM HAM range is pretty solid. 4. Yes.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.06 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Davinel Lulinvega
Originally by: Beverly Sparks I don't like the positioning of your salvager.
Overheating damage is based on positioning in the rack. It's right where it should be.
I was under the impression that the rack 'wraps around'.
Ie slot 8 touches slot 1. So if you have your 'heat sink' in slot eight or slot 4 it shouldn't matter.
Anyone have concrete proof of this?
As far as Drake fits go, I like T2 heavy missile drake. Staying out of web/scram range means you can try to escape if the fight is unfavorable. Plus you can tank better or fit a useful ewar mod (target painter for frigs, or a tracking disruptor).
I also prefer T2 warriors for swatting at frigs/inties. |
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