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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:34:00 -
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Inferno is burning towards New Eden, impacting on May 22nd, shaking up the Universe with improved war mechanics and a multitude of completely new modules, never seen before.
Read all about these changes and the new modules in this exciting dev blog by CCP SoniClover! CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Carton Mantory
Occassus Republica Trade Wind Commodities
11
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:36:00 -
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1st
New mods that are in hacking sites with bpc only . Reminds me of 2005 |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:37:00 -
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2nd =D
This update is awesome! Lot of good stuff!!!
-editing- |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:37:00 -
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Nice stuff
Wars won't be as that expensive. |
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CCP Paradox
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:41:00 -
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Wooo :) CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
212
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:43:00 -
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WAR! Please support: export of settings in editable format
Your stuff goes here. |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
108
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:46:00 -
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holy shiney modules batman O_o - Nulla Curas |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
2259
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:46:00 -
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SUPER FRIENDS BEST FRIENDS CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Programmer | @CCP_Punkturis |
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:47:00 -
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Awesome, a new toy that brings all the fun game play of ECM to every ship. |
Kyr Evotorin
Alternative solution inc
9
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:48:00 -
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Could someone repost the information here? I apologize for having to ask, but these devblogs only seem to go up WHILE im at work and I can't view the community pages with the 2001 internet we have :( |
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:49:00 -
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I for one welcome our new Drone Damage mod overlords.
CCP Punkturis wrote:SUPER FRIENDS BEST FRIENDS
Confirming. Kill mails are cool, and so is the new war system.
Kyr Evotorin wrote:Could someone repost the information here? I apologize for having to ask, but these devblogs only seem to go up WHILE im at work and I can't view the community pages with the 2001 internet we have :(
How's this? http://pastebin.com/9qkzYfP2 http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
944
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:52:00 -
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If the module is a T1 meta-zero item, it should have a BPO - full stop.
Otherwise it should be introduced as Meta 1-4.
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Chris Wheeler
Massively Motivated
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:54:00 -
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What is so great about Sonic? He's just some stupid hedgehog who caused his company quit the console business and bow at the altar of Mario. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:57:00 -
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Awesome, looking forward to test those new mods, esp the shield booster and adaptive hardener... |
Captain Thunk
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:57:00 -
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With the war mechanic, why has the multiple wars escalator been kept in? It was only ever put in to exclude Privateers from attacking many 0.0 alliances, that surprisingly were nowhere near as 0.0 as they wanted to people to think. With the exorbitant costing as it is, there's no need to keep the escalator as well.
PS. PL would like to express their thanks for the immunity provided by CCP, 250mil a week should be enough to put people off and we do keep losing JFs with these wars |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:57:00 -
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Quote:Trial accounts are not counted when counting corp membership. That's good, but what about same-account blank alts? If every member of an alliance puts only one of their alts in a special alt corp in the alliance, the cost of a wardec against said alliance nearly doubles. Are the alts rare enough that they do not realistically have an impact? Even if that is true, I have heard rumors that E-Uni is already trying to pad its membership with alts; do you expect alts to remain non-problematic?
(not trolling, legit question) Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Dinta Zembo
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2012.05.14 14:59:00 -
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those modules...
ME GUSTA
keep this up. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:00:00 -
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Gallente Strategic Cruiser, the Proteus wrote:Thank you Team Super Awesome Friends for giving me flights of light webber drones thus making me super awesome In the beginning high security space was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:02:00 -
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Does the Extrinsic Damage Amplifier also increase drone mining yield? |
Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:03:00 -
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I don't follow the logic of having war costs scale in the first place. "Scale with the number of targets" is, to me, a terrible answer since this model of scaling only serves to improve the lives of pilots who fly in very large alliances. What's more, it's ripe for abuse. Eve University, as an example, is already preparing a wing of completely inactive alts just to drive war declaration costs through the roof. As one of the stated goals of the new wardec system was to close abuse loopholes, it would be incredibly sloppy to let this one slide on in.
If the only purpose of the scaling war declaration costs is to prevent people from dec-griefing organizations, the mechanic should be universal and independent of organization size, or it shouldn't exist at all. These subtle mechanic changes that encourage super-group formation could cause a lot of damage to the net ability of many players to enjoy the game. Eve has never been at its best when nobody knows anybody in their groups, but these mechanics provide preferential treatment to players who exist in just that kind of environment. Madness! |
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Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:06:00 -
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Darrow Hill wrote:Does the Extrinsic Damage Amplifier also increase drone mining yield? DAMAGE Amplifier. "DAMAGE".
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
darmwand
Repo.
41
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:06:00 -
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I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced by the war-dec cost mechanics, making it crazy expensive to dec large corps / alliances and inviting people to grief small corps.
Then again, at -10 I could hardly care less darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
TheButcherPete
Specter Syndicate CORE Alliance
166
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:07:00 -
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mmmmmmm, I can't wait for Salvage drones. My moncole doubles as a cigarette lighter, a flashlight, a laser and x-ray goggles. If you haven't noticed yet, I'm in love with Punkturis. -á-á-á
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CCP SoniClover
C C P C C P Alliance
71
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:07:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Quote:Trial accounts are not counted when counting corp membership. That's good, but what about same-account blank alts? If every member of an alliance puts only one of their alts in a special alt corp in the alliance, the cost of a wardec against said alliance nearly doubles. Are the alts rare enough that they do not realistically have an impact? Even if that is true, I have heard rumors that E-Uni is already trying to pad its membership with alts; do you expect alts to remain non-problematic? (not trolling, legit question)
We're looking into also not counting inactive accounts (i.e. gathering data, etc.). If we decide to not count them (which right now is more likely than not), it won't make it in for Inferno, but in one of the post-Inferno patches. |
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Evelgrivion
Gunpoint Diplomacy In Tea We Trust
118
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:08:00 -
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darmwand wrote:I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced by the war-dec cost mechanics, making it crazy expensive to dec large corps / alliances and inviting people to grief small corps. Then again, at -10 I could hardly care less
Gate and station guns won't shoot at you, so there's at least that. |
darmwand
Repo.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:09:00 -
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Mr Bigwinky wrote:Darrow Hill wrote:Does the Extrinsic Damage Amplifier also increase drone mining yield? DAMAGE Amplifier. "DAMAGE".
You could (and environmentalists would) argue that mining drones damage the asteroids. That's why I see it as my personal duty to preserve the geological richness that can only be found in Placid belts. darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
gfldex
502
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:09:00 -
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Quote:Trial accounts are not counted when counting corp membership. We considered extending this to inactive accounts too, but as this is a fairly low percentage overall, decided to not exclude them. Note also that members in corps/alliances allied to the defender are never counted.
That means I can start a trial, untrial it with a PLEX and leave the char in my corp forever? I would go so far to say, that this is the most easy to game system in EVE then. Could you explain to me why T2 BPO holder are pretty much immune from wardecs while the 3-RL-friends-corp is not?
When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Skogen Gump
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:10:00 -
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I love the new modules; I really do!
My question/concern is to do with the war mechanics though.
I'm assuming that N in
(log2.05831 N)^2 * 300000 * N^0.27
Is Number of Target corp members ?
If so then this equation benefits the bullies and griefers.
My belief is that this algorithm should be tweaked to be inversely proportional to the size of your own corp/alliance too.
As it stands with this graph, a 2000 man alliance can wardec a very small corp for practically nothing; You say "The increased cost reflects the easier access to multiple targets. "; but it doesn't answer the fact that in my scenario it will decrease the gameplay available to a small corp and perhaps even stop them logging in.
Would you undock if there are 4 of you and 50 of them ?
You say that the occurrences of griefing in the manner is low, but I think you might find its higher then you think. Also because this new chance allows wardecs to be taken against small corps for practically free, it will really become a common occurrence, the reason it's not so prevalent at the moment is because its expensive.
It's not just the negative side of open warfare either, my own alliance is small and dedicated, we roleplay as anarchistic freedom fighters and we've been known to get involved in war with entities much larger then ourselves. Of course, our style of gameplay doesn't appeal to everyone, so we are generally forced to fight with a large numerical disadvantage - we compensate for this by using innovative fits and a wide range of strategic tactics. That's going to change though, we're often at war with entities at five times our size (Sev3rance, 7 times larger; CVA, 29 times larger) and we simply will not be able to afford that any more.
This equation punishes the small, the rp'ers, the innovate and people who just like to play in peace. It gives a lot of power to statists, bullies, griefers and kill board padders. I'm worried that it removes a lot of gameplace decisions and I fear will affect subscription numbers in the long term.
Please reconsider the maths and make an allowance to protect small entities being swarmed by much larger entities and please rethink that having a larger cost will make up for having more targets because that's not how it works. It doesn't mean I'll have 50 more people to kill; it means I'll have 50 more people trying to fillet me. |
Grady Eltoren
Aviation Professionals for EVE
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:10:00 -
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Team Super Friends:
The new changes to war sound great and a lot of fun.
The new modules sound fun and well thought out. I like also how you have a forum for players to post ideas. Reading through that, there are TONS of great ideas to keep the CORE of EVE fun for years to come just on modules and pvp alone.
MY ONLY CONCERN is how you are "seeding" these new modules. I whole heartedly disagree with your approach. I know you want to maintain control by seeding but as your yourself stated CCP SoniClover, it is all about what players do with things yet you are deviating from the universal constants of EVE industry when seeding these new items.
Since EVE's inception, T1 BPOs have been available on the market. I cannot think of an exception to this and you shouldn't start now. You are messing with EVE's very foundations.
If these new modules are to be T1 - then they need to be seeded as such.
You guys (CCP) want to make things fun for inventors and to make up for T2 BPO's...then let us INVENT T2 BPC's or drop them at exploration sites like you said you would do.
DON'T MESS WITH THE FOUNDATIONS OF EVE LIKE THIS.
If you want these new modules to be seeded STILL in this manner because you are being overly cautious in how they will affect PVP and ship fits....then make them PIRATE modules or COSMOS or something else that you only find in space but NOT TECH 1 without the BPO's on the market. You are ruining the flow of EVE and making the game unneccessarily complex for no reason.
Please consider my points and reconsider your deployment. You could even do something like only seeding the BPO's in deep space like DRONE regions or something like we do ORE Blueprints but don't mess with the very foundations of EVE just for your purposes. It really isn't for the player in that regard but for you.
Sincerely,
Grady
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darmwand
Repo.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 15:11:00 -
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Evelgrivion wrote:darmwand wrote:I have to admit I'm not entirely convinced by the war-dec cost mechanics, making it crazy expensive to dec large corps / alliances and inviting people to grief small corps. Then again, at -10 I could hardly care less Gate and station guns won't shoot at you, so there's at least that.
Heh, true, but hardly worth all that ISK that would be much better invested in booze and ammo... darmwand Repossession Agent http://www.repo-corp.net/ Recruitment is OPEN |
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