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Lesath Scorpii
Cyclone Solutions Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:06:00 -
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I'm sick of trading but I have a lot of manufacturing infrastructure in place.
So what I'm going to do is offer manufacturing by the slot-hour.
You give us the raw materials, we produce the goods, and then we give them to you in exchange for the fees.
All jobs will be priced as if done by characters with 5/5 Industry (I think they'll actually be done by characters with 5/5 industry, but some might only have 4) in a POS (0.75x time multiplier). So something taking an hour base will only be priced as ... I don't know whether they're additive or multiplicative. Either 44% of an hour or 55% of an hour.
The price is 300k/hour/slot for T1 production. If we can do it, the price is 1.5M/hour/slot for T2 production (if a skillbook must be purchased, half the price of the book will be added onto the fees).
There is a minimum order of 48 hours for T1 production (14.4M/slot), and 24 hours for T2 production (36M/slot), and it must be done with one installation (so you can't have multiple blueprints used in a slot.)
We'll have to discuss what to do about the blueprints and shipping on a per-job basis.
We are currently located in Lonetrek but we're trying to get something nearer to Jita, and another station near Amarr as well.
For "why you're willing to give us your stuff", there's these threads: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=95528https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=92070 They show that we've taken and repaid 6B in loans with no issues. If you're uncomfortable, we'll see what we can do to make it work. |
Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.05.14 17:37:00 -
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Lesath is the trading character, her account is about to die.
Private messages should be directed to me so they aren't lost in the ether. |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:33:00 -
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Lesath Scorpii wrote:
The price is 300k/hour/slot for T1 production. If we can do it, the price is 1.5M/hour/slot for T2 production (if a skillbook must be purchased, half the price of the book will be added onto the fees).
I was really excited until I saw your prices . . .
Basically you are charging 72 Million a day to rent a T1 production char and 360 Million a day to rent a T2 production char.
And you don't even haul materials for us???
For example you would charge ~250 million to manufacture 100 Capacitor Power Relay IIs (+ whatever the material costs are). Those sell for 80 Million in Jita. There are no T2 items that you could not just buy in jita for less than material + your production rate.
Drop the price to ~15 million per day on T1 and 25 million per day on T2, deliver goods to jita, and people might consider it.
-FM
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Lesath Scorpii
Cyclone Solutions Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.05.14 19:54:00 -
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15M/day doesn't pay for a PLEX nor POS fuel.
But I agree that T2 prices are too high, I'm working on finding something better (if you know where to look you can get 6M/hour...)
As to shipping, if something is safe and convenient to ship I have no problem with deliveries to or near Jita and Amarr (basically, worth less than 1B and fits in a freighter).
6B of goods that only fits in a freighter would require another arrangement. |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:31:00 -
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Lesath Scorpii wrote:15M/day doesn't pay for a PLEX.
But I agree that T2 prices are too high, I'm working on finding something better (if you know where to look you can get 6M/hour...)
As to shipping, if something is safe and convenient to ship I have no problem with deliveries to or near Jita and Amarr.
6B of goods that only fits in a freighter would require another arrangement.
15 Million a day does not pay for a plex but if you are using an entire account to do nothing but have a single T1 manufacturing char (which is max trained in less than a month) you are doing something wrong. A T1 production char is just a "filler alt" that you hope to make a little ISK off . . .
Lets try an example of Ammo. Something I would gladly pay Jita Buy prices for if it made my life easier.
Phased Plasma M is currently in short supply and is the most overpriced (in terms of material cost) of the T1 ammos.
Mineral Cost - 52.83 per/unit Jita Sell Order Price - 147.17
Production time per 100 units - 4 minutes x .75 = 3 minutes per 100 units One character with 10 production lines can turn out 480 K units per day Profit on those items is only 45 Million and you are charging 72 million to rent your slots. And that is on an item that sells for 3x its material cost.
For people to use your service you need to offer a service that 1) Is cheaper than just buying from Jita Sell orders 2) Is easier than just setting up a T1 manufacturing alt - YOU NEED TO DO THE HAULING 3) Market to stupid Eve players . . . while this is a great strategy in general perhaps MD (aka spreadsheet central) is not the correct forum to find eve's dumbest and dimmest (at least when it comes to marketing/manufacturing ROI)
-FM |
Lesath Scorpii
Cyclone Solutions Twilight Military Industrial Complex Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:43:00 -
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I would never touch ammo ever because it's not worth the time. "Spreadsheet central" can spot much, much better items.
I'm not running a setup where I have a production alt on my main account. Think hundreds of manufacturing slots: they need to pay. |
Fango Mango
University of Caille Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:15:00 -
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Lesath Scorpii wrote:I would never touch ammo ever because it's not worth the time. "Spreadsheet central" can spot much, much better items.
I'm not running a setup where I have a production alt on my main account. Think hundreds of manufacturing slots: they need to pay.
Well good luck with your business . . . I'll stick with my advice that you should stick to advertising to noobs.
The people who can afford to pay 300K T1 / 800K T2 know enough to set up their own manufacturing network and keep that profit for themselves.
The people who need manufacturing help don't know enough about the eve market to turn a profit at your prices.
That just leaves you with the stupids . . . Try marketing to them, but then again you don't really need to set up a manufacturing network to make a profit there.
If you chose a pricing model along the lines of 75K T1 / 125K T2.
That works out to 18/30 Million per day per character. More than enough to plex your account and turn a nice profit. Assuming one T2 and two T1 chars per account that is 2 Billion per month per account. Plenty to plex your account and keep a tidy profit. At those prices you could probably even keep your 100's of production lines full.
-FM
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Xintri Ra'Virr
Yamaguchi-Gumi
9
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Posted - 2012.05.15 07:17:00 -
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Lesath Scorpii wrote:15M/day doesn't pay for a PLEX nor POS fuel.
But I agree that T2 prices are too high, I'm working on finding something better (if you know where to look you can get 6M/hour...)
As to shipping, if something is safe and convenient to ship I have no problem with deliveries to or near Jita and Amarr (basically, worth less than 1B and fits in a freighter).
6B of goods that only fits in a freighter would require another arrangement.
Please explain me why anyone should pay you any ISKs for manufacturing when there are plenty of free production / invention / research slots in almost all lowsec stations 1 jump from HIsec at costs per slot:
Manufacturing - 333 ISK / h Invention - 1000 ISK / h Research - 666 ISK / h
I use station slots for good year I see no reason to own a POS unless you want to make drugs or collect goo from moons in =< 0.3 security systems. Also there is bigger risk of loosing production components by handing them to another player than moving Orca or Freighter into lowsec if you aren't an idiot and know what are you doing.
Good luck. XR |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1295
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Posted - 2012.05.15 09:13:00 -
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Moved from Market Discussions. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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