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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:19:00 -
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Ian Mcmantry wrote:hmm, so this dev is an ex goon... ccp is considering removing the tank bonus but increasing damage on the drake ..goon flies drakes and contols a hefty chunck of moon mining which supplies critial components to ship building...goon is doing everything in thier power to disrupt hisec/carebear industry.... so there by disrupt hi sec missions due to increased ship costs caused by reduction in minerals and increase in demand to replace lost ships....hmmm. Just my opinion.. sounds like ccp favoring a faction to me. Honestly.. if you fit a ship the same as everyone else.. how do you know if is a good fit?
as for modifing the drake... oh well, i used to other ships a lot til they were changed.. so i just found a different one that filled my needs... given the sudden increase of ship price however... i can't help but see this as a move to force those mission runners in t battleships sooner.
It would be nice , however , to see how different the fit could be Lets look at how your implied favoritism benefits the Goons.
1: It benefits them because only the Goons fly (or are allowed to fly) Drake fleets. 2: Goon control over moon mining directly affects the cost to produce Drakes. 3: Hulkageddon's affect on mineral prices benefits the well know Goon Drake building industries... and Hulkageddon is directly tied to the Drake nerf.
Wait.... What??? None of the above?
May have to rethink that unfounded slander a bit my friend. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1887
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:25:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:Asuka Kusoni wrote:Since I've been hearing so much about a rumored Drake nerf I was hoping the eve community could post links reguarding this that have been posted in the last 3 months. Please refrain from posting links made by people who are just jealous of the drake ty guys for helping out. It's not a drake nerf, it's a buff. Don't expect anything I say to be accurate but basically it's gonna get faster with less tank last I heard. That was quite awhile ago tho. its a nerf. Wrecking the tank for an increase in range that it already has an advantage on is useless, CCP knows it and thats why they want to implement it. The concept that people have been screaming for a drake "Nerf" for months, and that CCPs' proposed changes are a "Buff" is ridiculous. So, people wanted a drake nerf, but CCP decided to buff it instead. Yeah, ok, right.... Odd, also that the same people who wanted the drake nerfed are supporting the re-labeled "Buff" You aint fooling anyone. Also 5% ROF is the same damage as 5% damage bonus, dunno why peple make it out like it gets a damage buff, it doesnt, it simply gets choice of racial damage.Which, ny the eway was instantly negated by the release of adaptive armor hardeners, rendering the change effectively useless, as all caldari ships are meant to be by CCP.
PVE:
True, it's less overpowered tank won't handle missions as well (although you can still put a huge tank on it), however longer range in missions can be just as valuable... and more damage can be as well (especially now that your increased damage applies to all damage types instead of just kinetic).
You really need someone to explain the math to you on Damage Bonuses vs ROF Bonuses.
PVP:
It's role shifts a bit to a more aggressive one. It will blow up more than before, and be blown up more often. Both of these are a good thing. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3875
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:40:00 -
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give it an 8th launcher on the new bonuses and i wouldnt mind.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
351
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:45:00 -
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http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=7074
"drakes are way OP please nerf them ((" eh |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
437
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:59:00 -
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Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote: It's not a drake nerf, it's a buff.
Don't expect anything I say to be accurate but basically it's gonna get faster with less tank last I heard. That was quite awhile ago tho. Velocity is the speed of a given direction. A higher velocity results in a harder impact against a solid object.
its a nerf. Wrecking the tank for an increase in range that it already has an advantage on is useless, CCP knows it and thats why they want to implement it.
Velocity is the speed of a given direction. A higher velocity results in a harder impact against a solid object.
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:Also 5% ROF is the same damage as 5% damage bonus, dunno why peple make it out like it gets a damage buff, it doesnt, it simply gets choice of racial damage.Which, ny the eway was instantly negated by the release of adaptive armor hardeners, rendering the change effectively useless, as all caldari ships are meant to be by CCP.
5% damage buff only pertains to Kinetic missiles. The 5% ROF is spread to every flavor of missile. This means that they are not the same. So again with the bonus above and the ROF change you get a 12% increase to Kinetic missile damage and a 33% increase to thermal, EM, and explosive damage.
The drake will go from a meow to a roar. It's a buff.
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
61
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:06:00 -
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Selinate wrote:why would the drake need nerfing, it's only good as a PvE boat, and barely that...
My HML drake eats your Harby. Are you saying the Harby is even worst than a PVE-only ship?
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
438
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:15:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Selinate wrote:why would the drake need nerfing, it's only good as a PvE boat, and barely that... My HML drake eats your Harby. Are you saying the Harby is even worst than a PVE-only ship?
Bet ya my HAM Command Drake will eat your HML drake, especially if you are running that standard hml set up that I see so often. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
292
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:33:00 -
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Asuka Kusoni wrote:Since I've been hearing so much about a rumored Drake nerf I was hoping the eve community could post links reguarding this that have been posted in the last 3 months. Please refrain from posting links made by people who are just jealous of the drake ty guys for helping out.
Drake actually is getting a boost.
But it'll need it when tracking disruptors affect missiles.
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Asuka Kusoni
EntroPrelatial Industria T A B O O
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Posted - 2012.05.16 05:08:00 -
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Wanted to thank all of you guys for the help in getting the rumors sorted out. |
Ian Mcmantry
Paraxiuum Limited
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Posted - 2012.05.16 05:32:00 -
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[ May have to rethink that unfounded slander a bit my friend.[/quote]
My only defense is that i was suming up all the forum posts I read that day... but your mere statement of it not being true does nothing to disprove it. Also opinion and liable are 2 different things.
The problem with the drake isn't it's fire power.. it's the fact that almost everyone is fit the same. The truely successful ones I've seen were fitted far different then the normal tanked fit. Being that i don't use them for missions... I'd gladdly take the increased rof. But if prices continue... it wont matter cause ill only be fying frigates... which may cost as much a BB used to. |
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