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Large Collidable Object
morons.
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:08:00 -
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Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more. Admittedly high-sec is a lot less fun
Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever...
People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
You know... morons. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
987
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:13:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment. Protip: next time you are in high sec take a good long look at that 70%.
Most will be blatant NPC hauling alts, some will be in null sec corps, others will be in holding corps and more still will be plain old trading alts.
That 70% figure is completely useless, it gives you no more idea as to the distribution of Eve's player base as random guessing would.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3761
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:16:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment.
Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game.
Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players.
Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers?
Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast.
So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
O'Sheagada
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:19:00 -
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Maybe PvP will look like all the CCP eve videos for once? Big ships...and small ships... the whole I was there thing and everyone has a roll....
not just cookie cutter blobs of ships?
IDK but I am curious how things look in ~3 months |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:20:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
987
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:23:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind for new internetpixels ships? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions. If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Yet 1 of the 2 types of T2 BS's lends itself so well to highsec PvE I wouldn't exactly call it cost effective if you're stupid enough to lose it though.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:24:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Oh yeah as if you need trillions isk for your expenses if you just intend to casually log in in hi sec. Well, if your in-game income is under 2b monthly (2-3 hours of missions daily) losing T2 battleship may kill all feeling of progression and motivation to login next time (50-100 hours of grind in crappy t1 BS to purchase internetpixels t2 ship you already had? no, thanks). Especially considering it's bicycling/camping season. P.S. I don't run missions.
How do you lose t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - by being careless and stupid. What is next step in progression after t2 battleship in hi sec ?? - unsubscribing due to boredom
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JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:33:00 -
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O'Sheagada wrote:Maybe PvP will look like all the CCP eve videos for once? Big ships...and small ships... the whole I was there thing and everyone has a roll....
not just cookie cutter blobs of ships?
IDK but I am curious how things look in ~3 months
For this to happen you would need to implement line of sight which wont happen anytime soon due to technology limits. |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:41:00 -
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You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck. |
JitaPriceChecker2
State War Academy Caldari State
140
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:43:00 -
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Sister Rhode wrote:You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck.
Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. |
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Bolow Santosi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:46:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Sister Rhode wrote:You mean to say your alliance/corp doesn't reimburse your pvp ships?
Jeese, that must suck. Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.
Haters gonna hate |
Chump Clone
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:54:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
Damn - your ugly.
Stop trying to tell peeps what the game is supposed to be. |
Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:54:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:...and Dust is the new focus. EVE the expendible mule.
Seems like yesterday that vampires were the new focus.
At any rate, if things get to the point where an endless grind is called for, I'm out of here.
I already have a day job. :)
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Rath Kelbore
Spaceship Hooligan Productions
194
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Posted - 2012.05.14 21:58:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:EVE is getting expensive. Datacores going up making T2 cost more. Minerals making t1 go up. Tech cartel making T2 go up. CCP's new mods being bpc drops making sure they cost alot more. Its funney they are making a war expansion but no one can afford to lose a ship. Should i continue to wait out the high prices or just play with ships i have to grind longer for?
Just play with ships that you can easily afford. Now that BC's are so expensive it almost makes sense to fly t1 cruisers again, almost.
I mean god forbid you use a t1 ship with *gasp* t1 fittings :) I plan on living forever.......so far, so good. |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Royal One Piece Corporation Deadly Unknown
129
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:31:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do. Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
103
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:34:00 -
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Adapt or die, just like everything else in EVE.
It applies to everyone, miners and PvPers alike. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
252
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:50:00 -
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TBH, I highly suspect CCP are deliberately driving prices up. With the introduction of incursions and the abundance of WH intel these days, making ISK in EVE has never been easier, even for low SP characters. Since everyone now has a ton more ISK on average than they used to and given CCP can't realistically nerf ISK making to the ground without losing half their subscriptions, making changes that raise prices is the logical solution. |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access Guardian Society
4
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Posted - 2012.05.14 22:53:00 -
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kill moar miners to make ships cheaper |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:31:00 -
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Funny, my CC gets billed $15.00, and I still get 30 days of game time. IDGI? "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Selinate
864
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Posted - 2012.05.14 23:33:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Selinate wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Selinate wrote:
No... it won't... it's not an isk sink...
Game inflation not isk(currency) inflation. Learn to read. in-+fla-+tion GÇé GÇé[in-fley-shuhn] noun 1. Economics. a persistent, substantial rise in the general level of prices related to an increase in the volume of money and resulting in the loss of value of currency (opposed to deflation). Learn to vocab. Game inflation, otherwise known as mudflation. Go google it.
You mean oversupply? Inflation refers to devaluing of currency. Don't care what improper words you want to use, that's not what it means. |
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2012.05.15 00:46:00 -
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I just invested in 2 Ferox's and 3 Thorax's for ***** and giggles PvP.
Relatively cheap, and damn fun. I lied :o
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Edington Trent
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:25:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:I just invested in 2 Ferox's and 3 Thorax's for ***** and giggles PvP.
Relatively cheap, and damn fun.
Use the Autocannon Ferox. Nobody expects an Autocannon Ferox! "Keep it dangerous, keep it risky. That sense of GÇ£here goesGÇ¥ every time you undock should never leave us."-á |
MR DEMOS
Death Knight Legion Whiskey Creek Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:48:00 -
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Ummm is this a thread about those Thousand dollar Pants again?? |
Feyona
Imperial Outlaws
9
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Posted - 2012.05.15 01:59:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end.
That **** is pretty boring though. Literally everything in this game except killing other players is terribly boring. That's why it is the way it is. Why exploit an area's riches if you are not going to use them to then get shiny ships to fight with?? Riches themselves don't get you anything. It's not like you're going to go out to a fancy restaurant or pick up chicks in EVE.
Anyway, it's not as if money is at all hard to come by, even with things costing twice as much as they used to. If you can't make enough money to buy some decent ships in an afternoon... well, train up a tengu or start on some industry or trading. Whatever. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
105
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:08:00 -
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Feyona wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Marrco Polio wrote:... with a healthy PvP life style any more... Your complaint indicates you're practicing the exact opposite of a 'healthy' pvp lifestyle. PvP should be done for a reason. Under most circumstances that would be making money in the long run. Fight over Pocos, moons, control of an area to exploit its riches (not necessarily sov - having 'air superiority' in a NPC 0.0,/lowsec area/WH would help, too), kill expensive ships for loot, gank miners to manipulate the market after you stockpiled minerals - whatever... People are currently doing way too much entirely pointless PvP, grinding red crosses to go on a pointless roam in lowsec in a weekend for no other purpose than gaining killmails - PvP as an end in itself, whereas it's supposed to be a means to an end. That **** is pretty boring though. Literally everything in this game except killing other players is terribly boring. That's why it is the way it is. Why exploit an area's riches if you are not going to use them to then get shiny ships to fight with?? Riches themselves don't get you anything. It's not like you're going to go out to a fancy restaurant or pick up chicks in EVE.
OK, it's time to play the WHY game.
Here's how it works - You say you want to do something. Then ask yourself, "Why?" Then, after getting the next stage (the answer to the "Why?", then ask, "Why?" again.
Here's an example (has nothing to do with me myself):
I mine in lowsec.
Why? - To get zydrine, nocxium, and some megacyte from the odd gravi site.
Why? - To sell to my corporation so they can build ships, mods, and amunition.
Why? - So the corporation can gain money.
Why? - So the corporation can support a ship replacement program for those who PvP.
Why? - So the corporation has a PvP force that isn't bored and can be called upon when needed.
Why? - To fight off attackers who want to attack the miners and the corporation's assets, and expand the corporation's sphere of influence.
Why? - To gain power, riches, and glory.
Why? - To expand the power of the corporation, and maybe create an alliance.
Why? - To gain more power, riches, and glory.
Why? - To expand the power of the alliance.
Why? - To conquer some nullsec space.
Why? - To gain more power, riches, and glory.
.......
And so it goes on.
Point is, some people have a longer "Why?" chain than others, and get a thrill from the 'big picture'. Others may not. That's why some are corporation and alliance leaders, and others are 'grunts'. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
734
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:18:00 -
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Other than trit and pyr, the mins are dropping... at least in Domain. |
Shian Yang
121
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:29:00 -
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Selinate wrote:You mean oversupply? Inflation refers to devaluing of currency. Don't care what improper words you want to use, that's not what it means.
Greetings capsuleer,
You are incorrect. Monetary inflation is but one use of the word "inflation". It is applicable to a few different scenarios and are equally correct used in those contexts.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:32:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Lipbite wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:If you live in high sec, you don't need/deserve a T2 battle ship. Problem solved. Sadly, it seems CCP think in that way too. No wonder game stagnate for 4 years while being unable to provide feeling of progression for those 70% of player who "live" in hi-sec. And now 70% year-to-year ship prices fluctuation adds some disappointment. Since the real cost of ships has fallen steeply over the last few years, you could just look at it as a partial return to the status quo ante. In terms of player hours of effort required to buy one, they're still much cheaper than they were in the first half of the game. Re-tilting the balance towards cheaper ships has several beneficial effects, not the least of which is to make "standard fleets" more accessible to low-SP players. Did we really want to see EVE carrying on down the path it was on last year, where your choice of ships for "serious" fleets was narrowing down to: Supercapitals, Tech 3, and as a sop to the scrubs, dictors and probers? Because make no mistake, that was where we were heading. Leaving CCP with a choice of either: rebalance the whole game around supers/T3s and gift new players 20-30M SP to start with, or else make an effort to reset the mudflation EVE has seen. If anything, Soundwave & co should be nerfing income and resources harder, but you can only boil the frog so fast. So the answer to the question posed above is, yes, we should unironically hope and expect to see T1 cruiser gangs become normal and viable again. It will take a long time, there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness, many cries of undue Goon/PL/FoTM Alliance-du-jour influence, but it can be done, it must be done and I hope it will be done.
You should have run for the CSM. Good post. |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:36:00 -
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Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons. Goons without tech would be more interesting. They would have to play the game the way the rest of us do.
Giving goons credit is embarrassing, for the last 24 months however, they have been advocating a Tech nerf.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
337
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Posted - 2012.05.15 02:39:00 -
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JitaPriceChecker2 wrote:Not everyone has CCP on their side that refuses to tech nerf which "happens"to be a bottleneck and "happens" to be in only few regions that "happens" to be controlled by goons.
goonswarm is the only alliance with substantial technetium holdings
you heard it here first folks eh |
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