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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:21:00 -
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With the State Protectorate folding faster than CreoDron's domestic Laundrone series of laundry drones, astonishing rumours reach Gutter Press of a new Quafe flavour!
Incredible!
Quafe personnel have apparently been spotted collecting "samples" from several of the worlds liberated from the dictator Heth's cold grip.
We spoke to one Quafe technician who claimed that Quafe was gearing up for a product he called "Quafe Federal Victory" !
He said: "It is a blend of fruit grown from all over Black Rise, I heard"
Amazing!
We approached a senior Quafe official for a statement about when this exciting new flavour would be available, but were met with a denial that Quafe were planning any such thing!
"Quafe Corporation has no plans to release a product by that name" said the official, going on to state "Enjoy Quafe's cool refreshing taste today".
Mystery!
Opinion on the streets of Luminaire was mixed:
"The Caldari are collapsing? Ha, perhaps we'll auction those systems off eh? Maybe they'll buy them back, hahaha" said one man. "A new Quafe flavour? Will wonders never cease" said another.
Not all were fans though: "Quafe is disgusting. Drink (REDACTED)! it tastes like Revenge!" screamed one deranged woman before she was dragged away by Federal police.
Gutter Press will continue to investigate the possibility of exciting new Quafe flavours being introduced. Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours! |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.05.14 20:37:00 -
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Rather than drinking Quafe, which I am sure is made of fermented baby pieces, or Starsi, which I know for a fact is filled to the brim with memetic virii, people of discerning taste should drink Phanta.
Phanta, we absolutely guarantee it will be the best thing you have ever tasted.
Phanta, you know you wanta, Wanta Phanta. |
Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
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Posted - 2012.05.15 06:02:00 -
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So we're agreed that Poire Viladillet is close to achieving the same evils during his time as were achieved in over three thousand years of slavery? Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:14:00 -
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It's an outright lie to say that Caldari Militia is in a state of collapse. Sure we die twice as much and kill half of what the Gallente do, sure we're fragmented and have no effective leadership, sure we lost our home system to the Gallente in less than 18 hours despite fighting them with everything we had. But our loyalty point income has never been healthier. Nobody, and I mean nobody can put as many Manticores in space as CalMil, and that's what really counts. |
Xane Valadeus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:29:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:It's an outright lie to say that Caldari Militia is in a state of collapse. Sure we die twice as much and kill half of what the Gallente do, sure we're fragmented and have no effective leadership, sure we lost our home system to the Gallente in less than 18 hours despite fighting them with everything we had. But our loyalty point income has never been healthier. Nobody, and I mean nobody can put as many Manticores in space as CalMil, and that's what really counts.
I do pray, for your sake, that this is sarcasm. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:31:00 -
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Nope, everything I said is true. |
Xane Valadeus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:17:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Nope, everything I said is true.
Then I shall be in deep prayer for the future of the State Protectorate. At the very least, they need to elevate their standards of acceptance to those that have even a passing understanding of what constitutes tactical strategy and what really "counts" in battle. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:23:00 -
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What's "tactical strategy"? |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:10:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:What's "tactical strategy"?
Clearly, it's the opposite of strategic tactics. Mane 614
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Halete
Teraa Matar White-Lotus
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:34:00 -
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My guess would be a strategy that successfully employs the use of tactics. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
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Lyn Farel
Kitzless
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Posted - 2012.05.16 11:18:00 -
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What ? |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 11:28:00 -
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If there is any one thing I will commend Gutter Press for, it is their alarming efficiency at bringing out the best in people. |
Raphael Ordo
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Posted - 2012.05.16 12:27:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:It's an outright lie to say that Caldari Militia is in a state of collapse. Sure we die twice as much and kill half of what the Gallente do, sure we're fragmented and have no effective leadership, sure we lost our home system to the Gallente in less than 18 hours despite fighting them with everything we had. But our loyalty point income has never been healthier. Nobody, and I mean nobody can put as many Manticores in space as CalMil, and that's what really counts.
What have you been smoking the last few years? |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:24:00 -
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Nennamailan Cracksmack. I make it in station from reactor coolant, strontium clathrates and rocket propellant. You wanna buy some? |
Raphael Ordo
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:55:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Nennamailan Cracksmack. I make it in station from reactor coolant, strontium clathrates and rocket propellant. You wanna buy some?
In another clone, maybe.
In any case, you previous comment renders you a direct disgrace to the Caldari people. How can you, one of the capsuleers of the protectorate, "admit" that we are loosing more than we are winning in this war? Even from the very start? And talking about "... lost our home system to the Gallente in less than 18 hours..." without even giving a second thought and note about how outnumbered we were. Not giving any tiny bit of credit to any the ordinary men and women, like Admiral Tovil-Toba, that ultimately gave you the life you can have in the State today?
You spit on them. And you spit on the Caldari history and our coming future with that comment.
Sometimes I wonder if the criteria for becoming a capsuleer has suffered a profound drop in intelligence. |
Fleet Warpsujarento
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:06:00 -
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I'm proud to be a Caldari. Just in a different way to you. I don't care so much about our military or political successes because conventional success just isn't an important part of being Caldari any more. What I care about is how efficiently we can make money for ourselves. We're not the great power we used to be, and I think we need to accept that. We can find pride in our lesser achievements instead. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:23:00 -
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Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:I'm proud to be a Caldari. Just in a different way to you. I don't care so much about our military or political successes because conventional success just isn't an important part of being Caldari any more. What I care about is how efficiently we can make money for ourselves. We're not the great power we used to be, and I think we need to accept that. We can find pride in our lesser achievements instead.
You have some audacity to call yourself Caldari with an outlook like that.
I may be a Gallente and I may be an enemy to the Caldari as far as military operations and standpoints are concerned, and there's a history of bad blood between our people, but I can respect the convictions and culture of my enemies. You are a member of the State Protectorate, a Capsuleer militia waging a "proxy" war on behalf of the Caldari State and its people. Yet your attitude and your complete disregard for the state of existence of the Caldari people is a disgrace beyond words.
What happened? Because you started losing space in the contested systems, you decided to throw your hands up and surrender? Because you're suffering a few defeats, you're suddenly no longer a major power in the cluster? Need I remind you of the suffering and uncertainty suffered by the Intaki during the military occupation of their homeworld and the events leading up to it? Do I need to remind you of the crushing defeats the Federation endured in the history of our two nations' conflicts? Yet we are still here, we are still independent and fighting, we are still strong!
Your attitude disgusts me. I may be an enemy to the Caldari State, but I can respect its resolve. I can respect its people and their sense of duty and honor. Our collective histories are rife with atrocities and vile acts but the day we bow down and surrender the will to fight for whom we are is the day we lose ourselves to the halls of history.
For the sake of the Caldari people, despite our differences, I hope there are no more like you in their military ranks. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:31:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:And talking about "... lost our home system to the Gallente in less than 18 hours..." without even giving a second thought and note about how outnumbered we were. Not giving any tiny bit of credit to any the ordinary men and women, like Admiral Tovil-Toba, that ultimately gave you the life you can have in the State today?
Admiral Tovil-Toba twice attacked civilian populations during military operations, with a combined casualty total over 200 million. The State may proclaim him a hero for buying the Caldari time to evacuate their citizens from Caldari Prime, but the willingness to slaughter non-combatant lives on such a scale without remorse is vile. Even now, your government holds the lives of civilians hostage with its fleet over Caldari Prime.
It is said "war makes monsters of us all," but only if we allow it.
Raphael Ordo wrote:Sometimes I wonder if the criteria for becoming a capsuleer has suffered a profound drop in intelligence.
We can at least agree on this query. |
Raphael Ordo
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:17:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote: Admiral Tovil-Toba twice attacked civilian populations during military operations, with a combined casualty total over 200 million. The State may proclaim him a hero for buying the Caldari time to evacuate their citizens from Caldari Prime, but the willingness to slaughter non-combatant lives on such a scale without remorse is vile. Even now, your government holds the lives of civilians hostage with its fleet over Caldari Prime.
It is said "war makes monsters of us all," but only if we allow it.
Personally, I do not like justify the Admiral's actions regarding the loss of "innocent" civilians. I respect my enemies in ways that is similiar to your own. Still, the Gallente Federation and it's people has claimed to have the most well-driven democracy in the known galaxy. Thus the decision to take siege on Caldari Prime that day, killing and to nearly extinguish the entire Caldari race, was ultimately a choice made by the people themselves. Therefore I feel less pity for those Gallenteans that perished that day. Be it millions or billions. They brought it upon themselves.
Admiral Tovil-Toba did what anyone would do when facing annihilation - He saw a way for us to perservere. Even if it ment by taking it to the extreme..
History is history though. It tends to repeat itself. The difference this time is us. I just hope we are fortunate, as you pointed out to our fellow Capsuleer here, that there ain't more like her in the our ranks. For the sake of my people and the State. And for the bloody sake of a good battle between our races. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:40:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote: Personally, I do not like justify the Admiral's actions regarding the loss of "innocent" civilians. I respect my enemies in ways that is similiar to your own. Still, the Gallente Federation and it's people has claimed to have the most well-driven democracy in the known galaxy. Thus the decision to take siege on Caldari Prime that day, killing and to nearly extinguish the entire Caldari race, was ultimately a choice made by the people themselves.
Not at all, this is not how a democracy functions in emergency situations, such decisions are executive decisions made by the President (under emergency powers) or the Senate. If a democracy waited for the will of the people in situations like that, we'd stand idly around while we get massacred.
Furthermore, the orbital bombardment on Caldari Prime was in retaliation to the Orbital Bombing and sabotage done to Nouvelle Rouvenor. The bombardment was also done in stages, with a request for cease fire and surrender after each stage, all of which were denied.
So, to clarify, it wasn't the "people's decision" it was the military's response to the initial slaughter of have a million Gallente citizens who had no relation to or involvement in the conflict at hand.
Raphael Ordo wrote:Therefore I feel less pity for those Gallenteans that perished that day. Be it millions or billions. They brought it upon themselves.
By what? Existing on a homeworld, separated from the war? By being Gallenteans? They had absolutely nothing to do with the battle at hand. The Caldari people attacked a civilian city while the Federation was seeking a peaceful resolution to the tension between our two peoples and the Federation responded by seizing and bombarding the Caldari homeworld to attempt to force a cease fire. The center of the conflict was Caldari Prime, where the Caldari bombed a Gallente colony.
Raphael Ordo wrote:Admiral Tovil-Toba did what anyone would do when facing annihilation - He saw a way for us to perservere. Even if it ment by taking it to the extreme..
I disagree that anyone would take the path he took, I would agree that he was in a desperate situation and sought to liberate his people from their current predicament. What he chose to do was vile and destroyed countless lives and families when a cease fire could have prevented death on both sides. He chose the path the Caldari would have had him choose and they have hailed him a hero since.
Raphael Ordo wrote:History is history though. It tends to repeat itself. The difference this time is us. I just hope we are fortunate, as you pointed out to our fellow Capsuleer here, that there ain't more like her in the our ranks. For the sake of my people and the State. And for the bloody sake of a good battle between our races.
A battle that thankfully no longer involves the lives of citizens unless someone breaches the very fragile lines keeping everything in check. |
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Raphael Ordo
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Posted - 2012.05.17 04:41:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote: Not at all, this is not how a democracy functions...
... the orbital bombardment on Caldari Prime was in retaliation to the Orbital Bombing and sabotage done to Nouvelle Rouvenor. The bombardment was also done in stages, with a request for cease fire and surrender after each stage, all of which were denied.
So, to clarify, it wasn't the "people's decision" it was the military's response to the initial slaughter of have a million Gallente citizens who had no relation to or involvement in the conflict at hand.
Democracy is a government in which all the people that have come of age in a nation can vote to elect their representatives. So, in other words the people make the decisions. At least that's what they teach you in school. I know not to be blind and that it was not the ordinary family on Gallente Prime that ordered the bombardment of Caldari Prime. Still, they chose the people that made that decision. They had a relation and an involvement on the conflict at hand. To say anything else is to mock your own democracy
Lialus Raithe wrote: The Caldari people attacked a civilian city while the Federation was seeking a peaceful resolution to the tension between our two peoples and the Federation responded by seizing and bombarding the Caldari homeworld to attempt to force a cease fire. The center of the conflict was Caldari Prime, where the Caldari bombed a Gallente colony.
The so-called peaceful resolution was an egoistical view of peace from the Gallente point of view. Regardless of how the Caldari felt or our cultural differences. If you really put yourself into the position that my people had to find themself in, during the siege and bombardment of their homeword, would you just lay down your sword and start pleading? In that case we are far more apart than I previously considered our races to be.
A quote from the moment at hand: "Caldari Prime burns, those left behind are choking on the dust and ash that fills the air, and you demand our surrender? Is this a joke? You have only hardened our resolve. Every drop of blood you have taken from us will be repaid -- with interest." GÇöCEP response to Federation demands for unconditional surrender after initial bombardment of Caldari Prime. CE 23155.1.18
And the State didn't bomb any Gallente colony. Period. Are the Federation willing to take full responsibillity to any sort of extremist organisation that resides within it? And ultimately let that organisation represent the Federation as a whole? I don't think so. Neither would the Caldari State. But the Gallente were too narrow-minded and willing to get rid of the State and the threat is posed to their beloved nation - being ulitmately a better alternative to the Federation itself.
And in the case of the Admiral, I feel that we can no longer discuss weither his actions were either good nor bad. We are different people. Different races. Different humans. +ì do not expect you to even try to understand our way of thinking. Nor will you. Not here.. And not on the coming cosmic battlefield. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:36:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote: Democracy is a government in which all the people that have come of age in a nation can vote to elect their representatives. So, in other words the people make the decisions. At least that's what they teach you in school. I know not to be blind and that it was not the ordinary family on Gallente Prime that ordered the bombardment of Caldari Prime. Still, they chose the people that made that decision. They had a relation and an involvement on the conflict at hand. To say anything else is to mock your own democracy.
I will concede that a Democracy is run by elected officials, but to claim that the people "put themselves in that position" because the elected officials chose to act a particular way in a particular situation is drawing a long conclusion. I guarantee you that many of the 200 million people slain by Admiral Tovil-Toba did not agree with, condone or support the violence that was taking place.
I do not believe we chose the best course of action in retaliating by bombing the Caldari homeworld, also killing civilians.
Raphael Ordo wrote: The so-called peaceful resolution was an egoistical view of peace from the Gallente point of view. Regardless of how the Caldari felt or our cultural differences.
This is your opinion and not based at all on fact. The Federation's immediate response to the Caldari building secret colonies in deep space and harvesting unreported resources was to demand an explanation and surrendering of the facilities. The Caldari were part of the Federation at the time and this was a direct violation of the trust between our two people at the time. When confronted, the Caldari seceded from the Federation and then we immediately responded by seeking a peaceful, that means non-violent, resolution to the conflict. The Caldari then decided to sabotage and bomb Nouvelle Rouvenor. This is historical fact. If anyone put themselves in the position they were in, it was the Caldari by choosing to bomb a non-militant underwater colony over "cultural differences."
You did not even grant the Federation time to offer a proposal of resolution.
Raphael Ordo wrote: If you really put yourself into the position that my people had to find themself in, during the siege and bombardment of their homeword, would you just lay down your sword and start pleading?
Interesting that you should ask this, really. Considering the Federation surrendered when civilian lives on Caldari Prime were put at risk when your fleet threatened to glass entire colonies on a planet that isn't even its homeworld. You weren't being commanded to plead, you were being commanded to stand down so a resolution could be reached.
Raphael Ordo wrote: And the State didn't bomb any Gallente colony. Period. Are the Federation willing to take full responsibillity to any sort of extremist organisation that resides within it? And ultimately let that organisation represent the Federation as a whole? I don't think so. Neither would the Caldari State.
You're right, the State didn't bomb the colony because the State didn't exist at the time. The Caldari claim it was an extremist organization and I am willing to believe that, but I urge you to consider the facts:
- You were founding members of the Federation, at peace and in cooperation with the Federation
- We were working collectively on stargate research and manufacture
- You were establishing hidden deep-space colonies apart from the Federation
- You were establishing hidden resource collection facilities and storing the resources independently
- Your response when these facilities were discovered was to immediately secede from the Federation
- During non-aggressive conferences to seek a non-violent resolution to the situation, a Gallente colony on Caldari Prime is sabotaged and bombed by the Caldari
Now, since you demand that I put myself in your shoes, I request that you do the same. That is the information the Federation had to work with. Our response? To set up an orbital blockade and bombardment of Caldari Prime to force a quick resolution to the conflict. How did the Caldari respond? By slaughtering 200 million civilians on Gallente Prime and blaming us for the situation.
Raphael Ordo wrote:And in the case of the Admiral, I feel that we can no longer discuss weither his actions were either good nor bad. We are different people. Different races. Different humans. +ì do not expect you to even try to understand our way of thinking. Nor will you. Not here.. And not on the coming cosmic battlefield.
You make presumptions of my character in ignorance. I have demonstrated an attempt to understand your people and your way of thinking and I have asked questions and sought answers. You have offered assumptions and opinions to justify the events of history. Your "way of thinking" does not excuse the whole scale slaughter of millions of civilian lives over "cultural differences." |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
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Posted - 2012.05.17 12:53:00 -
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These conversations are unconstructive and generally only lead to more bitterness. Let us simply agree that there was much wrong done to both sides by both sides. Mane 614
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Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.17 13:45:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:These conversations are unconstructive and generally only lead to more bitterness. Let us simply agree that there was much wrong done to both sides by both sides.
I realize I didn't make this clear, that is my overall viewpoint and I'd be happy to settle on it. |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:55:00 -
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I was wondering what the smell was coming from that part of the station.
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:Nennamailan Cracksmack. I make it in station from reactor coolant, strontium clathrates and rocket propellant. You wanna buy some?
Is sexy time? |
Raphael Ordo
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Posted - 2012.05.18 08:09:00 -
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Lialus Raithe wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:These conversations are unconstructive and generally only lead to more bitterness. Let us simply agree that there was much wrong done to both sides by both sides. I realize I didn't make this clear, that is my overall viewpoint and I'd be happy to settle on it.
It's settled, Gallente. |
Lialus Raithe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.18 10:16:00 -
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Raphael Ordo wrote:Lialus Raithe wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:These conversations are unconstructive and generally only lead to more bitterness. Let us simply agree that there was much wrong done to both sides by both sides. I realize I didn't make this clear, that is my overall viewpoint and I'd be happy to settle on it. It's settled, Gallente.
Perhaps on your next leave from duty, we'll share a drink. I promise, it won't be Quafe. |
Leto Aramaus
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
52
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:22:00 -
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Perhaps it's because I simply don't keep myself updated on the news of the war, but I'm a little curious as to if these statements about the Caldari Militia falling have any truth to them...
The only data I have ever seen on the war, indicated that the State Militia was winning, and always has been.
http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/
This is the only data I've had access to, and I'm not exactly sure what to make of it.
Now it seems, and has always seemed since the start of the war, that the State has been mostly victorious in terms of occupancy and territory conquering. While my Gallentean brothers have (naturally) always seemed to be destroying more enemy ships than the Caldari (always with far fewer enrolled pilots as well), I had always thought the Caldari's sheer numbers, albeit poorly trained and equipped, and pure dedication to the territorial objectives of this war (rather than the actual fighting of enemy fleets), was allowing the State to maintain dominance over the disputed systems.
Can anyone update me on the true state of the war? |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2012.05.18 16:33:00 -
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Leto Aramaus wrote:Perhaps it's because I simply don't keep myself updated on the news of the war, but I'm a little curious as to if these statements about the Caldari Militia falling have any truth to them... The only data I have ever seen on the war, indicated that the State Militia was winning, and always has been. http://fwstats.eve-ic.net/This is the only data I've had access to, and I'm not exactly sure what to make of it. Now it seems, and has always seemed since the start of the war, that the State has been mostly victorious in terms of occupancy and territory conquering. While my Gallentean brothers have (naturally) always seemed to be destroying more enemy ships than the Caldari (always with far fewer enrolled pilots as well), I had always thought the Caldari's sheer numbers, albeit poorly trained and equipped, and pure dedication to the territorial objectives of this war (rather than the actual fighting of enemy fleets), was allowing the State to maintain dominance over the disputed systems. Can anyone update me on the true state of the war?
Check the text at the bottom of the page, pilot.
That data's nearly three years old. |
Leto Aramaus
Ixion Defence Systems Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.05.18 17:00:00 -
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Hah, well is it just a coincidence that it stopped updating 3 years ago on the same date as today? 5/18, that's funny.
So anyways, is there somewhere I can view the CURRENT status of the war? |
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