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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Falzone on 14/09/2004 16:03:29 Now don't get me wrong I've done my share of whining about stuff I didn't like. In my opinion one of the biggest problems of eve is you guys listening to all the people that whine about something, ie make ships stronger, nerf projectiles thier too powerful, nerfthis , nerf that, boost this boost that. You guys making changes after people do that is messing up the game. Theres no way this game will ever be completely Balanced its simply not possible. So pls stop trying to do it all the time. Theres always gonna be people complaining about something but don't give in. Just leave the balance of the game how it is now and focus on actual content like shiva.
Especially don't be nerfing any kind of weapons anymore with these new specialization skills where for instance you need to train for 90 days to be able to train the large ones. I think alot of people are not gonna train them cause they think with good reason that by the time they get the skills trained whatever they trained those 90 days for will be nerfed to a state kinda where projectiles are now. Anyway this is all contructive critisism coming from me for once. I hope we can keep this post flame free but i'm 100% sure we can't
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Falzone
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Falzone on 14/09/2004 16:03:29 Now don't get me wrong I've done my share of whining about stuff I didn't like. In my opinion one of the biggest problems of eve is you guys listening to all the people that whine about something, ie make ships stronger, nerf projectiles thier too powerful, nerfthis , nerf that, boost this boost that. You guys making changes after people do that is messing up the game. Theres no way this game will ever be completely Balanced its simply not possible. So pls stop trying to do it all the time. Theres always gonna be people complaining about something but don't give in. Just leave the balance of the game how it is now and focus on actual content like shiva.
Especially don't be nerfing any kind of weapons anymore with these new specialization skills where for instance you need to train for 90 days to be able to train the large ones. I think alot of people are not gonna train them cause they think with good reason that by the time they get the skills trained whatever they trained those 90 days for will be nerfed to a state kinda where projectiles are now. Anyway this is all contructive critisism coming from me for once. I hope we can keep this post flame free but i'm 100% sure we can't
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missedme
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:10:00 -
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Can I get a crumpet?
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missedme
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:10:00 -
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Can I get a crumpet?
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Rana Ash
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:13:00 -
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I second your opinion Falzone..
Plush Bunny lyret dedreen |
Rana Ash
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:13:00 -
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I second your opinion Falzone..
Plush Bunny lyret dedreen |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:15:00 -
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I think the Dev's only make changes when they agree with the whining, tbh. They don't always make good changes though
Look at how many hypothetical changes TomB has made in the Ships & Modules forum but, after lengthy discussion with players, they have changed a lot or not come to fruition.
What you consider as "whining", the Dev's may consider as well-made arguments with fundamental truth behind each statement.
So, like, stop whining about the whining.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:15:00 -
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I think the Dev's only make changes when they agree with the whining, tbh. They don't always make good changes though
Look at how many hypothetical changes TomB has made in the Ships & Modules forum but, after lengthy discussion with players, they have changed a lot or not come to fruition.
What you consider as "whining", the Dev's may consider as well-made arguments with fundamental truth behind each statement.
So, like, stop whining about the whining.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Gift
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 14/09/2004 16:50:49 agree with poster, people should adjust to the game. The game should not adjust to them.
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Gift
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 14/09/2004 16:50:49 agree with poster, people should adjust to the game. The game should not adjust to them.
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:53:00 -
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Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
:: bio :: blog ::
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:53:00 -
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Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
:: bio :: blog ::
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:55:00 -
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I agree with the statement that it will never be balanced. I come from other MMORPG's and balance was never succeeded regardless of so many nerf's and changes. However, not all nerfs are bad. Take a look at the whole Large turrets no longer hitting frigates. Now that actually made sense. But projectiles.... yea...
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Bedrock
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:55:00 -
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I agree with the statement that it will never be balanced. I come from other MMORPG's and balance was never succeeded regardless of so many nerf's and changes. However, not all nerfs are bad. Take a look at the whole Large turrets no longer hitting frigates. Now that actually made sense. But projectiles.... yea...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vex Seraphim Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster.
Care to back that up?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.09.14 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vex Seraphim Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster.
Care to back that up?
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.09.14 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Vex Seraphim Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster.
Care to back that up?
No i don't, i will not go looking for your every post, but you've whined about more stuff than i can remember, this was not an insult btw, just stating a fact. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
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Vex Seraphim
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Posted - 2004.09.14 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Calvert
Originally by: Vex Seraphim Josh, you whine the most of all, so...please?
anyway, agreed with the poster.
Care to back that up?
No i don't, i will not go looking for your every post, but you've whined about more stuff than i can remember, this was not an insult btw, just stating a fact. ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard ::
:: bio :: blog ::
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Lermitte
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Posted - 2004.09.15 10:52:00 -
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Nerfs can be screwed but generally help develop the game.
Who would have thought six months ago that less people would be in battleships and frigates and cruisers would finally become more useful.
Small drones now have a purpose too.
Because of the nerfs and changes I think we have a far more varied game now.
It was getting to the stage where everyone would have been in battleships with heavy drones....
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Lermitte
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Posted - 2004.09.15 10:52:00 -
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Nerfs can be screwed but generally help develop the game.
Who would have thought six months ago that less people would be in battleships and frigates and cruisers would finally become more useful.
Small drones now have a purpose too.
Because of the nerfs and changes I think we have a far more varied game now.
It was getting to the stage where everyone would have been in battleships with heavy drones....
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DarK
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:10:00 -
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stop whing about the whining about the whining about the....
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DarK
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:10:00 -
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stop whing about the whining about the whining about the....
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Res Judicata
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Res Judicata on 15/09/2004 11:25:29 only read the subject line..
IN REPLY...
IMHO, people that complain, especially those that lack the TIME and effort it really takes to be GOOD and Knowledgable at a game such as eve, make things worse,
... but this is only if the game makers, understand that most 'hardcore' players learned by hook or crook, to get any GOOD at eve or build so much as a productive corp.
These 'hardcore' players view most complaints as a 'lack of game knowledge' or dare I say 'SKILL'. And some times "FIXES" hurt the game.
I have other game experience, TRADEWARS, the latest developer, listens to every one, and its sad, cuz most complaints are from NEWBIES that have no clue, and some times changes only SCREW UP the game.
What made it worse, was that the latest developer, DIDNT EVEN PLAY the GAME....yes its a joke, and well Tradewars is the never ending BETA..so WELCOME EVE.
IN summary, peeps that ***** but dont spend the time to learn, should have there "COMPAINTS viewed with caution by ccp. And I hope the people that edit or make "FIXES' play the game and or give MORE credence to HARDCORE PLAYERS.
NOT to take away from the 'noob' experience, but plz dont RUIN the game, cuz a few mentally lazy players lack the energy to learn eve in all its glory.
Res Judicata Whats Really Going OnWORLD TRADEWARS |
Res Judicata
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Res Judicata on 15/09/2004 11:25:29 only read the subject line..
IN REPLY...
IMHO, people that complain, especially those that lack the TIME and effort it really takes to be GOOD and Knowledgable at a game such as eve, make things worse,
... but this is only if the game makers, understand that most 'hardcore' players learned by hook or crook, to get any GOOD at eve or build so much as a productive corp.
These 'hardcore' players view most complaints as a 'lack of game knowledge' or dare I say 'SKILL'. And some times "FIXES" hurt the game.
I have other game experience, TRADEWARS, the latest developer, listens to every one, and its sad, cuz most complaints are from NEWBIES that have no clue, and some times changes only SCREW UP the game.
What made it worse, was that the latest developer, DIDNT EVEN PLAY the GAME....yes its a joke, and well Tradewars is the never ending BETA..so WELCOME EVE.
IN summary, peeps that ***** but dont spend the time to learn, should have there "COMPAINTS viewed with caution by ccp. And I hope the people that edit or make "FIXES' play the game and or give MORE credence to HARDCORE PLAYERS.
NOT to take away from the 'noob' experience, but plz dont RUIN the game, cuz a few mentally lazy players lack the energy to learn eve in all its glory.
Res Judicata Whats Really Going OnWORLD TRADEWARS |
Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:06:00 -
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CCP, please stop listening to whiners like Falzone about those of us who have issues with balancing, R&D, the Market, Industry ships, skills & modules (the part of the game you have been neglecting because you're so hard up on COMBAT PvP) etc...
The game needs improvements, you know that as well as we do...
I think the more the players discuss, argue, *****... about the game, the more input you have on how to iomprove the game...
So I will continue to voice my opinion concerning problems with the game Falzone... Have a nice day...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:06:00 -
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CCP, please stop listening to whiners like Falzone about those of us who have issues with balancing, R&D, the Market, Industry ships, skills & modules (the part of the game you have been neglecting because you're so hard up on COMBAT PvP) etc...
The game needs improvements, you know that as well as we do...
I think the more the players discuss, argue, *****... about the game, the more input you have on how to iomprove the game...
So I will continue to voice my opinion concerning problems with the game Falzone... Have a nice day...
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:11:00 -
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Can it griefer.
CCP: Don't listen to whiners whining about whiners.
Originally by: Lermitte Small drones now have a purpose too.
Aha-haha-ha-hahaha
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cashman
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:11:00 -
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Can it griefer.
CCP: Don't listen to whiners whining about whiners.
Originally by: Lermitte Small drones now have a purpose too.
Aha-haha-ha-hahaha
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:58:00 -
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Whining is bad.
Making constructive criticisms along with suggestions for improving the game, and then entering into reasoned debate about those suggestions is good.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2004.09.15 12:58:00 -
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Whining is bad.
Making constructive criticisms along with suggestions for improving the game, and then entering into reasoned debate about those suggestions is good.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
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