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NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.05.15 12:59:00 -
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Thank you,
All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper.
Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going! (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope Gallente Federation
1650
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:03:00 -
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Thank you for the amazing game CCP! I will now proceed to tell you how to fix your game because I know all!
Yup. That makes a lot of sense. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:04:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Thank you for the amazing game CCP! I will now proceed to tell you how to fix your game because I know all!
Yup. That makes a lot of sense.
The game don't need fixes, but every game needs improvments, now stop de-railing my thread. (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:05:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going!
Nicky, will you ever make a thread or post that isn't pointless? I only ask because this one brings nothing new, no insights, no suggestions, nothing of any real meaning or consequence except to perhaps satisfy a deep seated need for a hug. Here, have a hug, and stop posting. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
437
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:08:00 -
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Dear CCP, we could also use some better rails in the threads. Boost rails! |
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
95
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:11:00 -
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How exactly do those changes make both those groups happy ?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
3449
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Posted - 2012.05.15 13:36:00 -
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I'd be happy to have the North Star back.
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
481
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Posted - 2012.05.15 14:37:00 -
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I'd be happy to have POS and Corp management made more flexible. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
364
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:17:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going!
NickyYo, you are making us industrialists look bad.
Adapt or Die.
Oh wait, you don't know how to adapt. Therefore, you must die. Now where did I put that locator agent? Welcome to Eve Online. Don't expect people to be nice to you. |
Josef Djugashvilis
166
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:29:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going!
I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo.
1) Missions are done in pve ships.
2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed.
3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than the will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec.
Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times.
Thank you. You want fries with that? |
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
500
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:38:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:Thank you,
All you need to do ....(stuff).... been playing for 6 years and still going!
6 years. That must be a remarkable set of skills you have trained by now. Only now you want things to change. To suit you, because you've been playing for 6 years and now you want it your way. Same old Hubris, wherever I read about requested changes. That Orca thing is changing soon, but your suggestion of moving level 4 missions to lowsec is just plain stupid. Done all yours now have you ? 6 years later, now please move the level 4 missions out of highsec ? Trying giving your posts a bit more thought.
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The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Kara Vix
Vinegar Flies Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2012.05.15 15:45:00 -
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I run alot of lvl 4s and if I wanted to be in low sec, I would be there already. Trying to force me somewhere I don't wish to be will only achieve me not logging on. You muppets need to stop trying to force your style of gameplay upon others, if you want to go to low sec, have fun, but leave those of us behind that don't want to join you. |
NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:04:00 -
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So many bitter pvpers on here crying about not wanting their mission alts to go in low sec, yet they flame the miners..
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.15 16:10:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:So many bitter pvpers on here crying about not wanting their mission alts to go in low sec, yet they flame the miners..
How can you have played Eve for so long and understand it so little? You want fries with that? |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
585
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Posted - 2012.05.15 17:30:00 -
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even though it has been said a million times. moving level 4 missions would just make people A quit B go to lowsec less C do level 3 missions instead
some people who live in highsec pvp in lowsec for fun, they do this with money made from lvl 4 missions they get 500mil from lvl 4 missions, then go lose a ship or 2 in low... come back run more... people like that would never go anymore so even less people in lowsec.... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:12:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going! I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo. 1) Missions are done in pve ships. 2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed. 3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec. Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times. Thank you. Hmm, I don't know if I agree with that. I've run missions a bit in low sec, no one even tried to kill me. Similarly I've found low sec exploration to be equally as risk free, even null sec exploration is relatively easy now we have nullified t3s.
That said however I agree moving level fours is a bad idea, but only because people of a certain mind set would literally quit the game rather than face moving out of high sec. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to run missions in low sec, it just means that some people are too stupid or lazy to learn how.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:13:00 -
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CCP has a lovely bunch of coconuts and huge knockers on their door. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:18:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going! I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo. 1) Missions are done in pve ships. 2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed. 3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec. Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times. Thank you.
The obvious solution is to make missions varied and challenging enough to require PVP fits and tactics to fly successfully.
It would be somewhat like the plot of "The Last Starfighter". In this case your PVE missions are actually just a training simulation that is actually preparing you for PVP combat. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:30:00 -
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If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.
The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.
So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec. You want fries with that? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:37:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.
The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.
So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec. I think the inherent issues with balancing NPCs that try and act like players would be more of an issue to be honest.
I mean, how would you deal with alts? How would the NPCs tell alts from aggressors? How would the servers handle the extra load of globally advanced AI (something CCP have said in the past stops them adding sleeper AI to missions)? How would you balance the missions for expensive fits and cheap fits alike? How would the AI be even remotely challenging if you know the NPC and can counter its fit, if you don't know the NPC then it will have the counter to your fit an appreciable amount of the time and you'll die.
The idea of making PvE like PvP is novel, but it is naive and poorly thought through.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.15 18:49:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If level 4 missions were changed so that they were more suited to pvp fits, then moving them to lo-sec would be less problematic.
The risk might be that the missions never get completed as it would turn into a pvp fight most of the time.
So, again it would be less hassle for the mission runner to stick to level 3 missions in hi-sec. I think the inherent issues with balancing NPCs that try and act like players would be more of an issue to be honest. I mean, how would you deal with alts? How would the NPCs tell alts from aggressors? How would the servers handle the extra load of globally advanced AI (something CCP have said in the past stops them adding sleeper AI to missions)? How would you balance the missions for expensive fits and cheap fits alike? How would the AI be even remotely challenging if you know the NPC and can counter its fit, if you don't know the NPC then it will have the counter to your fit an appreciable amount of the time and you'll die. The idea of making PvE like PvP is novel, but it is naive and poorly thought through.
Actually it's been discussed for many years now, and Sleeper and Incursions are the first steps towards making that a reality. I don't recall CCP ever saying that techically such a thing was not possible.
To give NPC"s a variety of fits and tactics that might randomly be generated isn't a very big step from what we have now technically, however the problem is that mission runners would not be able to farm those missions effectively solo, and thus would be very unpopular. If a given mission can't be looked up on the net for the details of how to beat it, it would be avoided.
Now if the missions that DO require a team to do effectively were made profitable enough for a group to consider it good money to attempt (like Incursions) some people would gradually warm up to them... the quesiton is how many out of the general population of mission runners that would be.
Most people seem to object strenuously to anything unexpected happening while they are busy running missions, and balk at any need to split potential profits with others. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:03:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going! I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo. 1) Missions are done in pve ships. 2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed. 3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec. Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times. Thank you.
So why is it that I can run level 4's and 5's solo in lowsec? Does it have something to do with using non battleship-class ships for better agility or simply the 360 scanner? Why is it that I can run any level 4 in a pvp fitting?
Oh right; I fly a Tengu. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:07:00 -
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Thor Kerrigan wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:NickyYo wrote:Thank you, All you need to do now is two things.
- Move level 4 missions to low sec
- Stop orca exploiting to gank hulks
Thus satisfying both carebear and pvper. Thank you for such an amazing game, thanks! I been playing for 6 years and still going! I will explain this once again for the benefit of folk like nickyyo. 1) Missions are done in pve ships. 2) If level 4 missions are moved to lo-sec, mission runners will be attacked by pvp equipped ships and destroyed. 3) Mission runners will make far more isk by completing level 3 missions in hi-sec, than they will by losing ships and not completing level 4 missions in lo-sec. Given how often this comes up in the forums, some folk may need to read point 3 several times. Thank you. So why is it that I can run level 4's and 5's solo in lowsec? Does it have something to do with using non battleship-class ships for better agility or simply the 360 scanner? Why is it that I can run any level 4 in a pvp fitting? Oh right; I fly a Tengu.
But can you do it semi-afk while watching Grey's Anatomy and browsing Facebook?
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:19:00 -
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There is always the odd player that can run level 4/5 missions in a Velator armed only with a civilian gun and a mining laser.
My posts are aimed, I hope, at the more typical Eve mission runner.
We all know that missions are, essentially, 'mining with guns' trying to turn them into something else will, in my view always fail.
You want fries with that? |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
120
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:47:00 -
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To those people saying "But I can run level 4's in low-sec and not get ganked" might I point out one, teensy weensy thing you have over looked. You are one person in a large area of space, a needle in a haystack if you will, and thus more difficult to find. Now imagine if EVERY high sec level 4 mission runner were to come to low sec. More like looking for a haystack in a mountain of needles, and thus, loads more ganking. That then makes the mission runners return to high sec to run level 3's.
Not exactly rocket science.... |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
990
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Posted - 2012.05.15 19:59:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:To those people saying "But I can run level 4's in low-sec and not get ganked" might I point out one, teensy weensy thing you have over looked. You are one person in a large area of space, a needle in a haystack if you will, and thus more difficult to find. Now imagine if EVERY high sec level 4 mission runner were to come to low sec. More like looking for a haystack in a mountain of needles, and thus, loads more ganking. That then makes the mission runners return to high sec to run level 3's.
Not exactly rocket science.... Low sec is quite a large area, it could support considerably more mission runners and miners than it does currently. In fact it could support very large numbers if they were sensible enough to band together so they could all chain missions and mine in the same place.
I know a few corps/alliances that do this already, having "taken over" small low sec pockets and dead end systems they constantly run missions and their members mine quite peacefully. However the practice is quite rare, if only because very few "pure" care bears ever really venture into low sec in the first place.
Either way I guess a lot of players would quit if level fours were moved, it would be interesting to see if more players in low sec would bring in new subs to account for them though. Its a pity it would be too risk for CCP to try really, it would be an interesting experiment.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Cutter Isaacson
Peace n Quiet
120
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:13:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:To those people saying "But I can run level 4's in low-sec and not get ganked" might I point out one, teensy weensy thing you have over looked. You are one person in a large area of space, a needle in a haystack if you will, and thus more difficult to find. Now imagine if EVERY high sec level 4 mission runner were to come to low sec. More like looking for a haystack in a mountain of needles, and thus, loads more ganking. That then makes the mission runners return to high sec to run level 3's.
Not exactly rocket science.... Low sec is quite a large area, it could support considerably more mission runners and miners than it does currently. In fact it could support very large numbers if they were sensible enough to band together so they could all chain missions and mine in the same place. I know a few corps/alliances that do this already, having "taken over" small low sec pockets and dead end systems they constantly run missions and their members mine quite peacefully. However the practice is quite rare, if only because very few "pure" care bears ever really venture into low sec in the first place. Either way I guess a lot of players would quit if level fours were moved, it would be interesting to see if more players in low sec would bring in new subs to account for them though. Its a pity it would be too risk for CCP to try really, it would be an interesting experiment.
Agreed, it would make for a very interesting experiment. I for one however do not understand this fascination with driving everyone out of high sec space. It just seems to me that the "low/null" people have become bigger whiners than the old high sec dwellers used to be.
Constant calls for miners, mission runners and virtually everyone else to be shoved in to low sec, by force if need be, seem counter to what EVE is supposed to be. And all to appease the low and null dwellers who have either nap'd themselves into a coma, or just can't face up to the threat of the Goon Federation and want more helpless people to shoot at in order to boost their flagging egos.
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NickyYo
StarHug
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:13:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:To those people saying "But I can run level 4's in low-sec and not get ganked" might I point out one, teensy weensy thing you have over looked. You are one person in a large area of space, a needle in a haystack if you will, and thus more difficult to find. Now imagine if EVERY high sec level 4 mission runner were to come to low sec. More like looking for a haystack in a mountain of needles, and thus, loads more ganking. That then makes the mission runners return to high sec to run level 3's.
Not exactly rocket science.... Low sec is quite a large area, it could support considerably more mission runners and miners than it does currently. In fact it could support very large numbers if they were sensible enough to band together so they could all chain missions and mine in the same place. I know a few corps/alliances that do this already, having "taken over" small low sec pockets and dead end systems they constantly run missions and their members mine quite peacefully. However the practice is quite rare, if only because very few "pure" care bears ever really venture into low sec in the first place. Either way I guess a lot of players would quit if level fours were moved, it would be interesting to see if more players in low sec would bring in new subs to account for them though. Its a pity it would be too risk for CCP to try really, it would be an interesting experiment.
I remember a couple of years ago, our corp wanted to move into low sec to mine etc but in the end we didn't. The reasoning for why we didn't was not because of the pvp WE LOVED pvp we wanted it! but because there was no isk making in low sec.
Now if CCP did move it low sec you will find more people moving to lose sec as they won't care about losing sec status anymore due to being able to make is on their own doorstep, may it be missioning or ganking.
Going of all you replies about people will just do level 3 etc, what if CCP increased the income by say 30% on level and 5 missions in low sec? (SERVICE) Need a project coding? (PHP & Javascript) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101893&find=unread |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
3
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:19:00 -
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NickyYo, I don't have an opinion on your thread, I just wanted to say that is quite possibly the ugliest mug I've seen so far. It literally looks like someone took a ground tamper and smashed it in your face. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
992
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Posted - 2012.05.15 20:24:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:To those people saying "But I can run level 4's in low-sec and not get ganked" might I point out one, teensy weensy thing you have over looked. You are one person in a large area of space, a needle in a haystack if you will, and thus more difficult to find. Now imagine if EVERY high sec level 4 mission runner were to come to low sec. More like looking for a haystack in a mountain of needles, and thus, loads more ganking. That then makes the mission runners return to high sec to run level 3's.
Not exactly rocket science.... Low sec is quite a large area, it could support considerably more mission runners and miners than it does currently. In fact it could support very large numbers if they were sensible enough to band together so they could all chain missions and mine in the same place. I know a few corps/alliances that do this already, having "taken over" small low sec pockets and dead end systems they constantly run missions and their members mine quite peacefully. However the practice is quite rare, if only because very few "pure" care bears ever really venture into low sec in the first place. Either way I guess a lot of players would quit if level fours were moved, it would be interesting to see if more players in low sec would bring in new subs to account for them though. Its a pity it would be too risk for CCP to try really, it would be an interesting experiment. Agreed, it would make for a very interesting experiment. I for one however do not understand this fascination with driving everyone out of high sec space. It just seems to me that the "low/null" people have become bigger whiners than the old high sec dwellers used to be. Constant calls for miners, mission runners and virtually everyone else to be shoved in to low sec, by force if need be, seem counter to what EVE is supposed to be. And all to appease the low and null dwellers who have either nap'd themselves into a coma, or just can't face up to the threat of the Goon Federation and want more helpless people to shoot at in order to boost their flagging egos. Actually the main reason we ask for CCP to encourage null/low sec play styles is because we came to Eve expecting a sandbox style MMO, and then discovered there was a giant part of the game with heavy anti-sandbox artificial constraints that contained what many consider "end game" content.
Then, upon venturing into low/null, we found the ISK rewards for the increased hassle were not that great. In fact the only two worthwhile professions in this game, IMHO, are raiding whs and exploration in sov null sec. And even exploration only really seems that profitable to me if you control most of a region.
Beyond that you may as well just dual box incursions in high sec.
Anyway, it isn't as simple as "tears" or some kind of odd computer game bravado, it is merely a matter of game design philosophy. I think the griefer vs. miner thing is really just a misunderstanding, both types of players came to Eve expecting something different, CCP seem to be trying to cater to both of them.
Personally im not sure that's possible.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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