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Wren
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:14:00 -
[31]
Eris, you never write me Eve-mail or convo me anymore.
Did I do something to get you mad at me?
Oh, wait, you never wrote or convoed me to begin with.
Nevermind. --------------------------------------------------
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Wren
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Posted - 2004.09.15 11:14:00 -
[32]
Eris, you never write me Eve-mail or convo me anymore.
Did I do something to get you mad at me?
Oh, wait, you never wrote or convoed me to begin with.
Nevermind. --------------------------------------------------
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Vert Ism
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:52:00 -
[33]
Illuminated soley by the screen of his cells computer terminal, Vert Ism watched Phennicks announcement with interest, It was odd to be seeing through his own eyes again, well, they weren't his own, but the recent fracas had brought an abundance of donors. He rose swiftly and surely, waning muscles aided by the cabon fiber exoskeleton that Ygo had knitted into his nervous system and headed out to the Minmatars quarters. He would be interested to see if his corpmates had seen the announcement. There was much work to be done.
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Vert Ism
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Posted - 2004.09.15 17:52:00 -
[34]
Illuminated soley by the screen of his cells computer terminal, Vert Ism watched Phennicks announcement with interest, It was odd to be seeing through his own eyes again, well, they weren't his own, but the recent fracas had brought an abundance of donors. He rose swiftly and surely, waning muscles aided by the cabon fiber exoskeleton that Ygo had knitted into his nervous system and headed out to the Minmatars quarters. He would be interested to see if his corpmates had seen the announcement. There was much work to be done.
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Russo
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Posted - 2004.09.15 19:23:00 -
[35]
I will bathe in the blood of those you hold dear.
Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia Your friendly neighborhood badass
'Peace is our profession. Mass murder is just a hobby.' |
Russo
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Posted - 2004.09.15 19:23:00 -
[36]
I will bathe in the blood of those you hold dear.
Russo - CEO Amarria Auxilia Your friendly neighborhood badass
'Peace is our profession. Mass murder is just a hobby.' |
Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:02:00 -
[37]
Why does the Gallente intrude upon matters that are not of their concern? There is nothing that the VBS or any of the other mon keys have to do with amarr state matters. Any old and flawed notion you have of free will and equal rights have no place in the amarr empire. Seeing theese rabble asking for a fight every day is tiresome. Why cannot people see that what we do is none of your buissness? we do not want anything to change or manipulate your customs. Why do you in every turn think that your culture is better than our?
Even the minmatar should be grateful that we have given their entire culture a meaning and that without us you are nothing but dust and shadows. Your culture exist to counter our. There is no nobility in your acts and you keep doing them to keep your flawed and fledling nation in one piece.
This is my thougts alone and im but a outside observer in theese issues.
Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.16 10:02:00 -
[38]
Why does the Gallente intrude upon matters that are not of their concern? There is nothing that the VBS or any of the other mon keys have to do with amarr state matters. Any old and flawed notion you have of free will and equal rights have no place in the amarr empire. Seeing theese rabble asking for a fight every day is tiresome. Why cannot people see that what we do is none of your buissness? we do not want anything to change or manipulate your customs. Why do you in every turn think that your culture is better than our?
Even the minmatar should be grateful that we have given their entire culture a meaning and that without us you are nothing but dust and shadows. Your culture exist to counter our. There is no nobility in your acts and you keep doing them to keep your flawed and fledling nation in one piece.
This is my thougts alone and im but a outside observer in theese issues.
Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Vicarrah
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Posted - 2004.09.17 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Moncada Even the minmatar should be grateful that we have given their entire culture a meaning and that without us you are nothing but dust and shadows. Your culture exist to counter our. There is no nobility in your acts and you keep doing them to keep your flawed and fledling nation in one piece.
You know? you're right, but for all the wrong reasons...
first... the Minmatar had a thriving culture, admittedley only showing the first signs of space flight. that all ended with the Amarrian invasion. second... the countless millions of ensalved Minmatar were "re-reducated" in your slave mines, and hence a good proportion of the free Minmatar had their wrold-views and beliefs radically altered. you destroyed a good proportion of our civilisation and history. third... of course we exist to counter your own culture, we've had enough of slavery, slaughter, and inhumanity. I and many others want to obliterate all taint of slavery from existence and memory.
finally.... we were a rock, we are dust, and a rock we will be again.
Vicarrah Tahiri Protector |
Vicarrah
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Posted - 2004.09.17 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Moncada Even the minmatar should be grateful that we have given their entire culture a meaning and that without us you are nothing but dust and shadows. Your culture exist to counter our. There is no nobility in your acts and you keep doing them to keep your flawed and fledling nation in one piece.
You know? you're right, but for all the wrong reasons...
first... the Minmatar had a thriving culture, admittedley only showing the first signs of space flight. that all ended with the Amarrian invasion. second... the countless millions of ensalved Minmatar were "re-reducated" in your slave mines, and hence a good proportion of the free Minmatar had their wrold-views and beliefs radically altered. you destroyed a good proportion of our civilisation and history. third... of course we exist to counter your own culture, we've had enough of slavery, slaughter, and inhumanity. I and many others want to obliterate all taint of slavery from existence and memory.
finally.... we were a rock, we are dust, and a rock we will be again.
Vicarrah Tahiri Protector |
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 18/09/2004 00:53:06
Originally by: Moncada Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.
Liberty & Freedom are simple & basic tenets. The Amarrian religion weaves a tapestry of obfuscating lies, threats, & promises, which unnecessarily complicate the lives of all those who are drawn within its fold. It shows a weakness of character if a person cannot find meaning or value in freedom & liberty without first being able to justify their worthiness to live in such a state by creating a fantasy involving some un-erring, all-powerful creature who has thusly ordained it to be.
No government could ever hope to garnish the type of support and allegiance as any religion that has effectively permeated a society. Religion offers greater rewards, & warns of greater punishment that could ever be physically reproduced. Religion holds itself at sufficient distance using faith as a catch-all defense against any who might wish to formally debate the propriety of any actions supported or interdicted by the religion. Religion, when misused, as is the case with the Amarrian society, gives great power, wealth, & control to a very few, & teaches the masses that they should suffer in life so that they can reap rewards in the afterlife, however they truly suffer so that a powerful few can exert their control upon the society in question.
I find it perversely fascinating that so many slave owners & supporters of slavery have in truth been enslaved by their own kind, through their religion. The difference between the Amarr & the Matari is that we are aware that our kind has been enslaved, & are fighting to change that. -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2004.09.18 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 18/09/2004 00:53:06
Originally by: Moncada Liberty and Freedom are complex concepts. They go back to religious ideas of Free Will and are related to the Ruler Mystique implicit in absolute monarchs. Without absolute monarchs patterned after the Old Gods and ruling by the grace of a belief in religious indulgence, Liberty and Freedom would never have gained their present meaning. These ideals owe their very existence to past examples of oppression. And the forces which maintain such ideals will erode unless renewed by dramatic teaching or new oppressions.
Liberty & Freedom are simple & basic tenets. The Amarrian religion weaves a tapestry of obfuscating lies, threats, & promises, which unnecessarily complicate the lives of all those who are drawn within its fold. It shows a weakness of character if a person cannot find meaning or value in freedom & liberty without first being able to justify their worthiness to live in such a state by creating a fantasy involving some un-erring, all-powerful creature who has thusly ordained it to be.
No government could ever hope to garnish the type of support and allegiance as any religion that has effectively permeated a society. Religion offers greater rewards, & warns of greater punishment that could ever be physically reproduced. Religion holds itself at sufficient distance using faith as a catch-all defense against any who might wish to formally debate the propriety of any actions supported or interdicted by the religion. Religion, when misused, as is the case with the Amarrian society, gives great power, wealth, & control to a very few, & teaches the masses that they should suffer in life so that they can reap rewards in the afterlife, however they truly suffer so that a powerful few can exert their control upon the society in question.
I find it perversely fascinating that so many slave owners & supporters of slavery have in truth been enslaved by their own kind, through their religion. The difference between the Amarr & the Matari is that we are aware that our kind has been enslaved, & are fighting to change that. -- Jump Drive Operation / Rank 5 / SP: 1280000 of 1280000
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Lord Juss
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Posted - 2004.09.18 09:39:00 -
[43]
Quote: Why does the Gallente intrude upon matters that are not of their concern? There is nothing that the VBS or any of the other mon keys have to do with amarr state matters. Any old and flawed notion you have of free will and equal rights have no place in the amarr empire. Seeing theese rabble asking for a fight every day is tiresome. Why cannot people see that what we do is none of your buissness? we do not want anything to change or manipulate your customs. Why do you in every turn think that your culture is better than our?
I find it incredible that you would call into question the legitimacy of our involvement in the war, due to the fact that we're not all minmatar, in a thread that states our intentions against a mixed race corp run by a caldari.
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Lord Juss
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Posted - 2004.09.18 09:39:00 -
[44]
Quote: Why does the Gallente intrude upon matters that are not of their concern? There is nothing that the VBS or any of the other mon keys have to do with amarr state matters. Any old and flawed notion you have of free will and equal rights have no place in the amarr empire. Seeing theese rabble asking for a fight every day is tiresome. Why cannot people see that what we do is none of your buissness? we do not want anything to change or manipulate your customs. Why do you in every turn think that your culture is better than our?
I find it incredible that you would call into question the legitimacy of our involvement in the war, due to the fact that we're not all minmatar, in a thread that states our intentions against a mixed race corp run by a caldari.
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Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.18 10:54:00 -
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To Ris Dnalor
Read what it says once again. Libery and freedom isnt a simple issue, Consider it deeply before replying. The text basicly says that any man that prosper because he is screaming freedom and liberty will fall because the culture and society changes around him and the absolute truth of his crusade is not a thing that withstands time. Religion does. With your argument you are as trapped within your role as a freedom fighter and your ideals as i am within religion. Both our lives are controlled by higher ideals which has been glorified and the only diffrence is that mine is dogmatic and yours is based upon a idea of something impossible. Just because you are a warrior instead of a scholar you shouldnt throw away faith because you dosent comprehend it. Religion binds you to rules but it also give you the ability to do many things that lesser men wouldnt have the courage to do. The martyrs are examples of humanities finest. Even if you arent amarrian you should study the life of the Saint to understand that even your own crusade is pretty puny compared to what they sacrified and fought for. Their sacrifices and actions should be a great inspiration to your people that are collectivly trying to achive something so impossible that it takes a god to make it possible. Theology is a ever changing subject. We only take our time to consider what we do instead of rushing of a make fast changes. We change and our religion change, the change is slow so your people don't notice it. Your lifespan is a flicker compared to the mass of doubt and regrets that i held through the centuries. I still believe in the absolute truth of our religion. I do this because I have lived for centuries and have witnessed the machinations of god.
When you and your kind loose their flames of rebellion and war I will still sit in my palace. When the sun goes black I will still be here. I will see the blood of my enemies being lowerd into the ground. As surely as your people will fail.
If your mind is that simple so you translate faith into slave labour you should refrain on commenting on Philosophy.
To Vicarrah 1. You were just on the verge of space flight. After the first spaceflight there is a time of maybe 1-2 centuries before you would have achivied anything else than unmanned shuttles and short range observation. We gave you technology that propelled you a millenium forward.
2. If you claim that we gave you nothing and just used you to get free labour. How do you explain that you can fly that tempest? We gave you technology and know-how. You paid for it. We made even more by using you but the small fraction of knowledge that you were allowed you to escape. What good are your culture if it only breeds infighting and hatred? We deliverd you from the tyranny of the past.
3. Petty arguments about something that a pup cannot even comprehend. Slavery is the way of the universe. It has always been. The stronger always abuse the lesser. Be careful to use the word humanity because it's meaning isnt the same to everyone.
To the person i forgot.
To wage war upon the intrest of amarr is a hostile action. We have never attacked or provoced the gallente and we care nothing for what you have. This bloodlust you seem to have isnt good for your health.
Final thought. Abort your crusade that kills so many of you and just stay in matari space and you will get a short calm before the storm comes again. History often repeats itself and your seat in history is fragile. Take this time to actually rebuild your civilisation. I will still be here when your leaders want blood again. I will sit in the shadows waiting.
The stories of Empires is written in blood. Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.18 10:54:00 -
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To Ris Dnalor
Read what it says once again. Libery and freedom isnt a simple issue, Consider it deeply before replying. The text basicly says that any man that prosper because he is screaming freedom and liberty will fall because the culture and society changes around him and the absolute truth of his crusade is not a thing that withstands time. Religion does. With your argument you are as trapped within your role as a freedom fighter and your ideals as i am within religion. Both our lives are controlled by higher ideals which has been glorified and the only diffrence is that mine is dogmatic and yours is based upon a idea of something impossible. Just because you are a warrior instead of a scholar you shouldnt throw away faith because you dosent comprehend it. Religion binds you to rules but it also give you the ability to do many things that lesser men wouldnt have the courage to do. The martyrs are examples of humanities finest. Even if you arent amarrian you should study the life of the Saint to understand that even your own crusade is pretty puny compared to what they sacrified and fought for. Their sacrifices and actions should be a great inspiration to your people that are collectivly trying to achive something so impossible that it takes a god to make it possible. Theology is a ever changing subject. We only take our time to consider what we do instead of rushing of a make fast changes. We change and our religion change, the change is slow so your people don't notice it. Your lifespan is a flicker compared to the mass of doubt and regrets that i held through the centuries. I still believe in the absolute truth of our religion. I do this because I have lived for centuries and have witnessed the machinations of god.
When you and your kind loose their flames of rebellion and war I will still sit in my palace. When the sun goes black I will still be here. I will see the blood of my enemies being lowerd into the ground. As surely as your people will fail.
If your mind is that simple so you translate faith into slave labour you should refrain on commenting on Philosophy.
To Vicarrah 1. You were just on the verge of space flight. After the first spaceflight there is a time of maybe 1-2 centuries before you would have achivied anything else than unmanned shuttles and short range observation. We gave you technology that propelled you a millenium forward.
2. If you claim that we gave you nothing and just used you to get free labour. How do you explain that you can fly that tempest? We gave you technology and know-how. You paid for it. We made even more by using you but the small fraction of knowledge that you were allowed you to escape. What good are your culture if it only breeds infighting and hatred? We deliverd you from the tyranny of the past.
3. Petty arguments about something that a pup cannot even comprehend. Slavery is the way of the universe. It has always been. The stronger always abuse the lesser. Be careful to use the word humanity because it's meaning isnt the same to everyone.
To the person i forgot.
To wage war upon the intrest of amarr is a hostile action. We have never attacked or provoced the gallente and we care nothing for what you have. This bloodlust you seem to have isnt good for your health.
Final thought. Abort your crusade that kills so many of you and just stay in matari space and you will get a short calm before the storm comes again. History often repeats itself and your seat in history is fragile. Take this time to actually rebuild your civilisation. I will still be here when your leaders want blood again. I will sit in the shadows waiting.
The stories of Empires is written in blood. Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Lord Juss
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Posted - 2004.09.18 12:35:00 -
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Moncada, you accuse us of having an unhealthy bloodlust, and yet you're in support of an empire based on the reclaiming. That is bloodlust, we're simply trying to defend our allies.
Regardless, your assumptions are based on the idea that we're a gallente corporation, this is not the case.
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Lord Juss
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Posted - 2004.09.18 12:35:00 -
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Moncada, you accuse us of having an unhealthy bloodlust, and yet you're in support of an empire based on the reclaiming. That is bloodlust, we're simply trying to defend our allies.
Regardless, your assumptions are based on the idea that we're a gallente corporation, this is not the case.
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Kura Accipter
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Posted - 2004.09.18 13:53:00 -
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It seems many here wish to use this as an opportunity to continue their incessant bickering and verbal jousting.
You may think what you will of VBS, but at least they have the nerve to fight the full complement of the forces arrayed against them, I cannot say as much for other certain cowardly corporations who will go unnamed here.
I welcome their declaration, and hope some who consider themselves their allies will follow suite shortly, although I have little belief that they will.
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Kura Accipter
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Posted - 2004.09.18 13:53:00 -
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It seems many here wish to use this as an opportunity to continue their incessant bickering and verbal jousting.
You may think what you will of VBS, but at least they have the nerve to fight the full complement of the forces arrayed against them, I cannot say as much for other certain cowardly corporations who will go unnamed here.
I welcome their declaration, and hope some who consider themselves their allies will follow suite shortly, although I have little belief that they will.
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Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.18 17:43:00 -
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Lord juss.
You need to examin the words.
Reclaiming. Taking back something that has been unjustly taken from you. That's reclamining. We are merely taking back that which is ours.
Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Moncada
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Posted - 2004.09.18 17:43:00 -
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Lord juss.
You need to examin the words.
Reclaiming. Taking back something that has been unjustly taken from you. That's reclamining. We are merely taking back that which is ours.
Monşada Cardinal Maledictus Sanguine
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Resdayn
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Posted - 2004.09.19 04:28:00 -
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An amarr ally with gallentes and minmatars? god must have some sarcasm in him for allowing you to live. The current empire isnt pro reclaiming, yet again sarcasm the minmatars are fighting the man trying to free as many slaves as possible. It is no new phenomena that gallentes support terrorists. The minmatars are "free" on borrowed time not more nor less. I must tell those it concerns that im in deepest regret for my abscence these last weeks i have been suffering from a terrorist attack mainly aiming for my implants but im recovering fast and i plan to be back soon. I have not encountered any side effects at this time. And the one saying something about sticking their noses into others threads...i remember a thread recently saying in the thread name (amarr only)...and this thread was to amax no other outside organization. Im looking forward to read about the traitor (amarrians) death sentence in my morning paper it would surely light me up in these dark times
Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy... |
Resdayn
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Posted - 2004.09.19 04:28:00 -
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An amarr ally with gallentes and minmatars? god must have some sarcasm in him for allowing you to live. The current empire isnt pro reclaiming, yet again sarcasm the minmatars are fighting the man trying to free as many slaves as possible. It is no new phenomena that gallentes support terrorists. The minmatars are "free" on borrowed time not more nor less. I must tell those it concerns that im in deepest regret for my abscence these last weeks i have been suffering from a terrorist attack mainly aiming for my implants but im recovering fast and i plan to be back soon. I have not encountered any side effects at this time. And the one saying something about sticking their noses into others threads...i remember a thread recently saying in the thread name (amarr only)...and this thread was to amax no other outside organization. Im looking forward to read about the traitor (amarrians) death sentence in my morning paper it would surely light me up in these dark times
Mariah Lawsara: do you ever get laid or do you have to rely on Gallente hookers to help you? Resdayn: I have never engulfed myself in the heretics of gallantean foundation of economy... |
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