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bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:56:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I have spent 8 years mining actual tears. And they are delicious.
Those aren't tears, that's the toilet bowl your drinking, gosh. Next time, tell your master he needs to put the toilet set down. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
953
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Posted - 2012.05.15 21:58:00 -
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
993
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:03:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Arcticblue2 wrote:I have been playing this game since 2004 and have always been a industrialist, I run missions when I'm bored of mining or producing stuff that others buy and blow up, this is how I like to play this game and I used to be a anti-pirate too when I found groups but to be honest that part of my gamestyle have now been gone for a long time. I like EVE-Online and I enjoy the thrill of going through low sec or 0.0 knowing that I can get my ship blown up anytime ... it's that part of the game I like over other games for example.
However it's been a growing part of the game that low-sec and 0.0 players seems to not get enough players to their space now and I don't know they find too few "easy" targets maybe ? anyway these players seems to have taken their task to tell me that I play this game wrong, and it is their right to tell me that I have to play this game their way or not at all... Can CCP accept that ?, and why do CCP accept that at all ?, is my money not just as good as low-sec and 0.0 players ? Lets face it, you can't force players to low-sec or 0.0, most likly they will just quit the game and for me that's one of the choises I might do, I already does not play this game as much as I did back in 2004 and up to the T20 scandal and if CCP let the low-sec and 0.0 players dictate how I am going to spend my money to play their game then I just leave my 2 accounts here and find me a another game where I can play the game as I want to.
Don't take this the wrong way I like that you are not safe anywhere not even in High sec, but I am getting pretty tired of reading on the forum where low-sec and 0.0 players trying to tell me how I am going to play this game. You won't manage to force non-pvp players to low-sec and 0.0 if they don't want to play that type of game ... then you loose customers. More people like you need to be represented into the CSM. When the Goons came to attack Jita (something which people used to be banned for) there was no recourse for the industrialists who got ganked. They could either get remote reps or shoot them in retaliation. Corps cannot defend corp mates from gankers and the more organized null blob of Ze gewwwns took advantage of that. The narrative has been taken over by the goons (due to influence in CCP ranks [**** proof if you didn't want rumors then you should have tried harder to prevent it CCP]). Tthere are a lot of things that should stay in highsec (like trit mining and t1 production). Gankers, being the monkeys that they are, saw the goons burn jita and now ganking in general has tripled in the past month. (source: hear say and map statistics) Now, this is a sandbox, and people are free to do what ever they want. BUT when a ganker can pick who he wants to kill and anyone else in the belt that isn't the victim he is killing cannot defend the victim (they are in same corp) due to concord, then the sandbox is tilted HEAVILY in the gankers favor. This is imbalanced and unfair to the game itself. Frankly, until this is fixed, it is rather embarssing to see a hulk creeped up by 3 destroyers and his corp mates just have to watch him die because they have no ability to fight off the attackers before concord arrives. [Edit: new draft system saved my post! thx CCP] Pprotip: Sit a falcon in the belt. Jam the destroyers the moment they go GCC. SuperProTip: Tell your corp mate to tank his hulk during hulkageddon, and not to mine AFK. SuperDooperProTip: Take squad command and fleet warp your corp mate to safety. Uber-Professional-getting-paid-to-post-on-the-forums....-tip: Shut your ***** mouth. in 2/3 of those tips, the gankers will still score a kill 3/4 of the time. The falcon is a good idea but it cannot jam as that is direct aggression and will get concorded unless the gankers are -10.0. Corp members should be able to defend corp members in highsec gank situations. Protip: you are free to attack players the moment they go GCC, and falcons have a very quick lock time. Even three thrashers cannot kill a tanked hulk before a falcon locks and jams them.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
179
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:10:00 -
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Your super Falcon defence strategy is ingenious. On an unrelated note, have you ever considered joinind WI. by any chance? Needs more tears. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
736
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:15:00 -
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SeaBassSA wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:I have spent 8 years mining actual tears. And they are delicious. Ain't no tears like (insert derogatory term of choice here) tears. Better than Gallente Ice during an interdiction. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
993
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:22:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:Your super Falcon defence strategy is ingenious. On an unrelated note, have you ever considered joinind WI. by any chance? Sadly I do believe that the last time I applied to join WI I failed to pass the background check, something to do with a few of my characters being rather well known internet space ship douchebags.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Haas Tabris
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:25:00 -
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I agree with the OP. He should be able to play his style just like the goons want to play their style. And he should be able to mine low-end mins in high-sec and do some mfg'ing and trading. There's no harm in that.
The goons are just trying to **** in the sandbox and ruin it for everyone. It's that simple.
Hulkageddon strikes me as a poor attempt by the goons and friends to jack up the prices of low-end minerals. They might be doing this 1, cause they want to screw with all the empire players, 2, so that they can dump their low-ends and ships for better prices, and 3, so they can grief CCP for the upcoming technetium moon nerf.
The last one is especially sad since CCP are the guys who built the game. No its, not perfect, but we all wouldn't be reading/writing these posts if we didn't love it. |
Shian Yang
128
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:39:00 -
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Haas Tabris wrote:The goons are just trying to **** in the sandbox and ruin it for everyone. It's that simple.
Greetings capsuleer Tabris,
Do you see the fundamental problem in your statement? You use the word "sandbox" to describe New Eden, but then denounce an Alliance for living within that sandbox in their way as it conflicts with the way you want to live.
Do you see the fundamental hypocrisy in that?
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Ditra Vorthran
State War Academy Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:49:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with ganking. Ganking is cool. People should be able to gank, and I look forward to more of it happening.
Ganking is not the problem. The problem is the attitude.
Helicity does an excellent job of walking the walk and talking the talk on that particular line of thinking. Whether or not she actually believes it, or if it is just a convenient and creative way to spout fiery rhetoric and motivating people to gank miners at the same time is anyoneGÇÖs guess. But I digress.
Many people seem to think that miners shouldnGÇÖt be in this game, that somehow we are an aberration that needs to be rectified, either through exile (ragequit) or conversion.
As FeralShadow said, this is not your game. ItGÇÖs not my game. ItGÇÖs *the* game. CCP has created the ability for people to gank. Therefore despite all protests to the contrary, people can gank. Likewise, CCP created the ability for people to mine. Therefore, despite all protests to the contrary, people can mine. Mining and ganking are not accidental activities, a set of unintended consequences that resulted from an evolution of the game.
That means that we each must learn to live with each other. Neither miners nor gankers are GÇÿdoing it wrong.GÇÖ One style of gameplay is not superior to the other.
An interesting note: when I first was looking at playing Eve when it first came out, I asked someone about it. They said that all you could do is mine. You could say that despite the existence of Exotic Dancers, mining is eveGÇÖs oldest profession. ;)
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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1507
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Posted - 2012.05.15 22:56:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote: More people like you need to be represented into the CSM. When the Goons came to attack Jita (something which people used to be banned for)
When?
Cause the only time that I recall CCP stepping in to stop people from disrupting the activities of Hisec was when m0o's camp of Mara/Passari, and that came in the form of camp-busting devhax, not bans. And even then, nobody liked the idea of CCP messing with player created content like that (in a multiplayer sandbox, any interaction between players is content). Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
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Brother chookta
One Horse Trading
1
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Posted - 2012.05.15 23:06:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Arcticblue2 wrote:[quote=Vaju Enki]Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X". To keep this post short, I will spell it out for you: allowing the emergence of risk averse, artificial dungeon raiding playstyles will result in a short burst of popularity, before eventually killing Eve in a sea of mudflation and a lack of interesting content.
Hang on, this type of playstyle has been a part of this game for at least 6 years, it's what me and my mates did when we started.
I confess I still do it far too much |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.05.15 23:16:00 -
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It is well known that biggest money are made from someone misery GÇô look the bankers GÇô and so is CCP and that is why they allow some kind of players behavior that in the real world would not get unprosecuted in some way.
More the mess in space, more money CCP make, players with double personalities get what they want and the rest try to get by. Those things will not change no matter what and posting about main business in EVE GÇô killing for pleasure (and for some ISK in the meantime) GÇô will get you only mockery.
So, itGÇÖs not worth it. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
Danks
Fat Angry Toe Tappin Inbreds
75
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Posted - 2012.05.15 23:51:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Metal Icarus wrote: More people like you need to be represented into the CSM. When the Goons came to attack Jita (something which people used to be banned for)
When? Cause the only time that I recall CCP stepping in to stop people from disrupting the activities of Hisec was when m0o's camp of Mara/Passari, and that came in the form of camp-busting devhax, not bans. And even then, nobody liked the idea of CCP messing with player created content like that (in a multiplayer sandbox, any interaction between players is content).
Zombie attack on Yulai. They weren't immediately banned they got warnings then ignored those warnings. 'Least that's how I remember the story. |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:31:00 -
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Danks wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Metal Icarus wrote: More people like you need to be represented into the CSM. When the Goons came to attack Jita (something which people used to be banned for)
When? Cause the only time that I recall CCP stepping in to stop people from disrupting the activities of Hisec was when m0o's camp of Mara/Passari, and that came in the form of camp-busting devhax, not bans. And even then, nobody liked the idea of CCP messing with player created content like that (in a multiplayer sandbox, any interaction between players is content). Zombie attack on Yulai. They weren't immediately banned they got warnings then ignored those warnings. 'Least that's how I remember the story.
I can't find much information on that, but wasn't the primary reason for CCP's intervention the crippling lag it was causing? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
485
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:31:00 -
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Scien Inkunen wrote:It is well known that biggest money are made from someone misery GÇô look the bankers GÇô and so is CCP and that is why they allow some kind of players behavior that in the real world would not get unprosecuted in some way.
More the mess in space, more money CCP make, players with double personalities get what they want and the rest try to get by. Those things will not change no matter what and posting about main business in EVE GÇô killing for pleasure (and for some ISK in the meantime) GÇô will get you only mockery.
So, itGÇÖs not worth it.
Here we go again with a psychology degree gained from reading the back of a cereal box. If you're not living in peace, love and harmony and being every so nice to everyone and instead enjoy the aspects of the game that involved shooting people, you have a mental disorder.
Some people do seem to take pixel spaceships a bit too seriously, oh, my apologies, I forgot it's serious bizness. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Scien Inkunen
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:39:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Scien Inkunen wrote:It is well known that biggest money are made from someone misery GÇô look the bankers GÇô and so is CCP and that is why they allow some kind of players behavior that in the real world would not get unprosecuted in some way.
More the mess in space, more money CCP make, players with double personalities get what they want and the rest try to get by. Those things will not change no matter what and posting about main business in EVE GÇô killing for pleasure (and for some ISK in the meantime) GÇô will get you only mockery.
So, itGÇÖs not worth it. Here we go again with a psychology degree gained from reading the back of a cereal box. If you're not living in peace, love and harmony and being every so nice to everyone and instead enjoy the aspects of the game that involved shooting people, you have a mental disorder. Some people do seem to take pixel spaceships a bit too seriously, oh, my apologies, I forgot it's serious bizness.
I wrote what I think - and that's it - and if you like shooting people, you can go to Afganistan and such, you will have your pleasure. Read the "Fart file" and you will understand the meaning of life ! |
RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:43:00 -
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Scien Inkunen wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:Scien Inkunen wrote:It is well known that biggest money are made from someone misery GÇô look the bankers GÇô and so is CCP and that is why they allow some kind of players behavior that in the real world would not get unprosecuted in some way.
More the mess in space, more money CCP make, players with double personalities get what they want and the rest try to get by. Those things will not change no matter what and posting about main business in EVE GÇô killing for pleasure (and for some ISK in the meantime) GÇô will get you only mockery.
So, itGÇÖs not worth it. Here we go again with a psychology degree gained from reading the back of a cereal box. If you're not living in peace, love and harmony and being every so nice to everyone and instead enjoy the aspects of the game that involved shooting people, you have a mental disorder. Some people do seem to take pixel spaceships a bit too seriously, oh, my apologies, I forgot it's serious bizness. I wrote what I think - and that's it - and if you like shooting people, you can go to Afganistan and such, you will have your pleasure.
What if I like shooting people in a game? Can I go to a game that explicitly endorses and encourages that behavior to have my pleasure? Maybe one set in a far off Galaxy where everyone's immortal, so death has less meaning? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
292
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:46:00 -
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Arcticblue2 wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X". Does it say in that word that I have to play YOUR game ? can I play the way I like it ? I honestly tought that since the game does have 3 type of space it also implyed that you could play many different playstyle...
sandbox means if you want something to change, you get with other players and change it.
... |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
129
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Posted - 2012.05.16 00:47:00 -
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highonpop wrote:[quote=Arcticblue2] You don't want us telling you how to play your game, but you want to tell us how to play ours.
He is talking about having freedom to play the game his way, you are talking about having power over his playstyle.
"Freedom is mostly about having control over your own actions, power is mostly about having control of other peoples" - RMS (IIRC)
Knuckledraggers fail. |
Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
25
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Posted - 2012.05.16 01:02:00 -
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Just once I would like to see a "closed" letter to CCP. |
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RubyPorto
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1509
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Posted - 2012.05.16 02:18:00 -
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Lord Azeroth wrote:Just once I would like to see a "closed" letter to CCP.
Not sure if stupid or fail troll. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.05.16 02:27:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:FeralShadow wrote:Ok let me clear this up right now:
None of us are playing "our game". We are all playing CCP's GAME!!!!!!
I can't stress that enough. We are playing CCP's Game how they intended it to be. It is not my game, it is not your game, neither of our professions are "The Way It's Meant To Be Played" because they're ALL meant to be played. They are also not Mutually Exclusive, either.
CCP gives us the tools, and says "Go have fun". Some peoples' fun isn't the same as others, and they conflict. That's just the way it is, and this isn't really your game, nor my game, we're both playing in the sandbox CCP made. CCP are not a single unified entity with a specific coherent vision for their game, they are a company driven by profit and often run by people with no interest in the game beyond what they perceive as having the greatest chance to increase subscriber numbers. Sometimes this leads to bad decision making, see Incarna for details. It is not wrong of us to argue our points concerning how the game should be designed, we may very well not be listened to but discussing the pros and cons of specific game design philosophies is interesting all the same. And, with any luck CCP may even listen to some of us on occasion. They certainly seem to have done so recently with the introduction of crucible, and inferno looks to be going in the right direction as well. Having a vocal community, and listening to them, is not a bad thing and should not be discouraged.
Yes, absolutely. However, people who say "mining is bad" or "ganking is bad" or anything like that are not seeing it as such.
"I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1891
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Posted - 2012.05.16 13:53:00 -
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Ila Gant wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Arcticblue2 wrote:Vaju Enki wrote:Say after me... "S-A-N-D-B-O-X". Does it say in that word that I have to play YOUR game ? can I play the way I like it ? I honestly tought that since the game does have 3 type of space it also implyed that you could play many different playstyle... I try it again, this time in mirror, "X-O-B-D-N-A-S". Just curious, which sandbox did you play in when you were a kid that the other kids got to hit you on the head with their shovels? Not saying it might not have been fun for the shovel-wielders, but it would make for a crappy sandbox. Perhaps a new metaphor would be in order.
If you look closely at EVE, and most playground sand boxes as well, you'll notice all the kids have shovels and greatly enjoy whacking each other with them. The only difference in EVE is that it's not something you have to do behind your parents back. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
77
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:10:00 -
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I too want everything my way at whatever cost. Should that not occur, clearly everything will surely die, because I decree it thusly. Prove me wrong. |
Sir John Halsey
0
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Posted - 2012.05.16 15:34:00 -
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Tinnin Sylph wrote:I too have spent 8 years of my life mining pretend space rocks.
And shooting internet spaceship pixels for 8 years is different .... how? |
Shady Nasty
Lyra Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:02:00 -
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Don't like eve? Quit! (can i have your stuff?)
Don't like CCP "forcing you out to null/0.0 sec"?
Don't go, or go in a wormhole or something
Don't like people blowing up your stuff?
Don't undock
Don't like people kicking over your sandcastle?
Get out of the sandbox
Don't like taking risk to get a reward?
Live without rewards
Don't like my formatting/what I've said?
Read something else or close your browser window
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
263
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:20:00 -
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CCP has proven that the only thing they listen to is subscription numbers (incarna realease fiasco). If what's going on right now pisses you off, unsub for a while and see if CCP reacts. Vote with your wallet. If you've been prevented from playing the way you like to play, why play? |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
782
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:27:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote: Then what is the issue? You state that you enjoy low sec. You state that you enjoy the thrill of unwarranted pvp. Everything that you typed should not affect you. And it doesn't affect the high sec players either. In no way is CCP saying that they have to go to low sec, that they are forced to go to low sec.
If I mind read him correctly, his issue is NOT about how EvE is right now.
He believes that the constant, never ending hammering off 0.0 players (tbh I rarely see low seccers posting about this) to REMOVE whole hi sec features to FORCE players to play how they DEMAND the game to become. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
999
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Micheal Dietrich wrote: Then what is the issue? You state that you enjoy low sec. You state that you enjoy the thrill of unwarranted pvp. Everything that you typed should not affect you. And it doesn't affect the high sec players either. In no way is CCP saying that they have to go to low sec, that they are forced to go to low sec.
If I mind read him correctly, his issue is NOT about how EvE is right now. He believes that the constant, never ending hammering off 0.0 players (tbh I rarely see low seccers posting about this) to REMOVE whole hi sec features to FORCE players to play how they DEMAND the game to become. Null sec players: pointing out harsh realities for the greater good of Eve erryday.
Deal wiz it.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
494
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:51:00 -
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Scien Inkunen wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:Scien Inkunen wrote:It is well known that biggest money are made from someone misery GÇô look the bankers GÇô and so is CCP and that is why they allow some kind of players behavior that in the real world would not get unprosecuted in some way.
More the mess in space, more money CCP make, players with double personalities get what they want and the rest try to get by. Those things will not change no matter what and posting about main business in EVE GÇô killing for pleasure (and for some ISK in the meantime) GÇô will get you only mockery.
So, itGÇÖs not worth it. Here we go again with a psychology degree gained from reading the back of a cereal box. If you're not living in peace, love and harmony and being every so nice to everyone and instead enjoy the aspects of the game that involved shooting people, you have a mental disorder. Some people do seem to take pixel spaceships a bit too seriously, oh, my apologies, I forgot it's serious bizness. I wrote what I think - and that's it - and if you like shooting people, you can go to Afganistan and such, you will have your pleasure.
I don't shoot people in real life you know, people do it in games because it's simply pixels and nobody really dies or gets hurt unless they're somehow confused that it really means something. I strongly suggest you try and separate the real life stuff from the pixels a bit more, that comment about Afghanistan just makes you look a bit pathetic.
EVE is a game about shooting people, can't deal with it, not out problem. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
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