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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista My main concern is with CCP. They may not appreciate us sending out 6128 evemails.
I have contacted CCP, however.
Looking at the IGB reference documentation, it looks very viable. Thanks for suggesting that.
If CCP does allow us, it will be done before the end of the week
I would be intrested in their response to this. I cant see any reason why 6128 evemails would be a big problem, considering the scope of db calls and other data that happens in a day, in Eve.
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Cogwheel
Gallente New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: LaVista Vista My main concern is with CCP. They may not appreciate us sending out 6128 evemails.
I have contacted CCP, however.
Looking at the IGB reference documentation, it looks very viable. Thanks for suggesting that.
If CCP does allow us, it will be done before the end of the week
I would be intrested in their response to this. I cant see any reason why 6128 evemails would be a big problem, considering the scope of db calls and other data that happens in a day, in Eve.
My guess is that the concern is more over being flagged as a spammer than impacting the servers. Especially a spammer who has ties to massive amounts of isk transfers. _____________________________ Cogwheel's Workshop |
Jadu Tsuno
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista 1020 clicks, assuming the limit on evemails is 12 characters? Should take just a second or so
Make tests on the limit. I haven't checked it in over two years. I would have done the test prior to my suggestion if I weren't at work right now....
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cogwheel
Originally by: Treelox
I would be intrested in their response to this. I cant see any reason why 6128 evemails would be a big problem, considering the scope of db calls and other data that happens in a day, in Eve.
My guess is that the concern is more over being flagged as a spammer than impacting the servers. Especially a spammer who has ties to massive amounts of isk transfers.
Ahh good point, although I suspect that the GMs know the EBANK corp for what it is, and wouldnt be too freaked out by this. They have enough history of communicating with CCP for different issues in the past im sure they are recognized by most GM/DEVs --
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EBANK SencneS
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK SencneS on 12/06/2009 19:46:38
Originally by: Treelox Stuff
It still doesn't help us from capturing everyone.
There is good chance someone new had deposited ISK in which we don't know who they are. EVEMail spamming doesn't get them the message. We've requested a lot from the GMs the last few days, if we could rename or biomass EBANK Ricdic we would, but we can't.
It's pretty simple here, we've already accepted the consequences of Ricdic's actions and are going to compensate anyone that doesn't get GM reversal.
I don't know why so many are complaining over getting their ISK either via GM reversal or EBANK reimbursement. Honestly, some people sound like kids screaming for an ice cream when the ice cream is being offered to them, but they are not grasping the simple action of accepting it... What more can do we?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK SencneS
I don't know why so many are complaining over getting their ISK either via GM reversal or EBANK reimbursement. Honestly, some people sound like kids screaming for an ice cream when the ice cream is being offered to them, but they are not grasping the simple action of accepting it... What more can do we?
Lovingly feed it to us Caligula style I guess? |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: EBANK SencneS
I don't know why so many are complaining over getting their ISK either via GM reversal or EBANK reimbursement. Honestly, some people sound like kids screaming for an ice cream when the ice cream is being offered to them, but they are not grasping the simple action of accepting it... What more can do we?
Lovingly feed it to us Caligula style I guess?
i would like to offer EBANK some PR services..... serious offer btw, we are having a transition ourselves, might aswell drag you along for the ride? it might be fun, we might learn something... |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:13:00 -
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I've stopped because I can sense I'm in a mood. It bothers me when we're doing everything above and beyond what is possible given the requirements and tools we're given to us from EVE. If discussion of GM actions was allowed everyone would be surprised just what we've tried. The sad part is eventually it all comes down to what we can and can't do.
I fully expect to see tickets a month from now saying "I deposited ISK into EBANK Ricdic but it never created." and we're going to have to eat that cost, with zero recourse available to us.
The efforts placed forth to do what it is people want us to do in order to capture an extremely small group of people could be best spend elsewhere.
When it comes down the patches in EVE, there are always some people saying "I would rather have them spend the time fixing the bugs then adding something new." At the moment EBANK is experiencing first hand the fine line of spending time fixing bugs or catering to some people.
No matter what we do or how we do it or for how long there will always be someone who just didn't get the notice. There needs to be a line that says "This is as far as we can go." We've gone beyond that line with what I consider a foolish request of eve-mailing 6000 odd customers.
A system for reimbursement is in place, and that system doesn't change if we get a notice out to everyone in eve or no one in eve. It's still the same. When your actions do not change the outcome then why do it..
It's a shame others just can't see that.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS I've stopped because I can sense I'm in a mood. It bothers me when we're doing everything above and beyond what is possible given the requirements and tools we're given to us from EVE. If discussion of GM actions was allowed everyone would be surprised just what we've tried. The sad part is eventually it all comes down to what we can and can't do.
I fully expect to see tickets a month from now saying "I deposited ISK into EBANK Ricdic but it never created." and we're going to have to eat that cost, with zero recourse available to us.
The efforts placed forth to do what it is people want us to do in order to capture an extremely small group of people could be best spend elsewhere.
When it comes down the patches in EVE, there are always some people saying "I would rather have them spend the time fixing the bugs then adding something new." At the moment EBANK is experiencing first hand the fine line of spending time fixing bugs or catering to some people.
No matter what we do or how we do it or for how long there will always be someone who just didn't get the notice. There needs to be a line that says "This is as far as we can go." We've gone beyond that line with what I consider a foolish request of eve-mailing 6000 odd customers.
A system for reimbursement is in place, and that system doesn't change if we get a notice out to everyone in eve or no one in eve. It's still the same. When your actions do not change the outcome then why do it..
It's a shame others just can't see that.
Based on what your saying people can intentionally hurt EBANK you realize this? I can send billions after CCP is done, and since I sent it I will have the API and screen shot, and you guys will look really bad not repaying it or eat up a lot of cost.
By sending an Eve Mail, Email, Posting on MD, Your Forums (BTW I am told you have not posted this there yet), ISD, you then can say we did everything we could sorry but your loss, and noboyd will argue that I don't think.
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF Based on what your saying people can intentionally hurt EBANK you realize this? I can send billions after CCP is done, and since I sent it I will have the API and screen shot, and you guys will look really bad not repaying it or eat up a lot of cost.
By sending an Eve Mail, Email, Posting on MD, Your Forums (BTW I am told you have not posted this there yet), ISD, you then can say we did everything we could sorry but your loss, and noboyd will argue that I don't think.
That still doesn't change the outcome. In fact EVE mailing 6000 people exposes the possibility of hurting EBANK to over 6000 people.
So instead of a very small select group of people with the knowledge of how EBANK will be handling EBANK Ricdic deposits after CCP are done, people are advocating we inform thousands of people.
Any ISK Deposited into EBANK Ricdic after CCP are done reversals is effectively an ISK Sink. Done enough EBANK would have to close down, EBANK Ricdic would be sitting on a fortune of ISK no one could touch. Hell one day a year from now Ricdic could whine that he is done and wants to get back and CCP says "OK we'll unban you" and he has all that ISK at his disposal.
EBANK is closed down, He has BILLIONS of ISK for free. |
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: eVaLF Based on what your saying people can intentionally hurt EBANK you realize this? I can send billions after CCP is done, and since I sent it I will have the API and screen shot, and you guys will look really bad not repaying it or eat up a lot of cost.
By sending an Eve Mail, Email, Posting on MD, Your Forums (BTW I am told you have not posted this there yet), ISD, you then can say we did everything we could sorry but your loss, and noboyd will argue that I don't think.
That still doesn't change the outcome. In fact EVE mailing 6000 people exposes the possibility of hurting EBANK to over 6000 people.
So instead of a very small select group of people with the knowledge of how EBANK will be handling EBANK Ricdic deposits after CCP are done, people are advocating we inform thousands of people.
Any ISK Deposited into EBANK Ricdic after CCP are done reversals is effectively an ISK Sink. Done enough EBANK would have to close down, EBANK Ricdic would be sitting on a fortune of ISK no one could touch. Hell one day a year from now Ricdic could whine that he is done and wants to get back and CCP says "OK we'll unban you" and he has all that ISK at his disposal.
EBANK is closed down, He has BILLIONS of ISK for free.
LOL, this is kinda my point. If you send out the mail though, and in the mail say after Friday nobody will get isk back from CCP or EBANK then guess what, you did everything you could do to help people out, and it saves you from @ss's like me that have tons of alts and ebank acounts and soon as you sent me my first few bil back, i could do it again and again with each character on different accounts.
This could effectivly kill Ebank in seconds if enough people did this, and if I htought about it, I am positive others did as well. YOu guys need to change that stance on deposits after CCP closes it out. |
Hitomi Nakatani
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:46:00 -
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People always asked in Help Channel "Is there a bank in EVE?" I always replied "Nope, there are only scams or scams that haven't happened yet." Others would argue "EBANK is for real, it's even been advertised!" and I'd just say, just wait...
I'm happy to be able to say "TOLD YOU SO!" |
James Tundra
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:49:00 -
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You don't have to inform everyone of the problems EBank has been through, or even the Ricdic scam. You can send out an evemail stating that "Due to problems with the deposit character, EBank Ricdic, all deposits should now be sent to... Feel free to authenticate this information at EVEBank.com(or whatever the address is)." |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Tundra You don't have to inform everyone of the problems EBank has been through, or even the Ricdic scam. You can send out an evemail stating that "Due to problems with the deposit character, EBank Ricdic, all deposits should now be sent to... Feel free to authenticate this information at EVEBank.com(or whatever the address is)."
Or make an simple post on your forums and link them to that so they know its official. |
Potsnack
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:55:00 -
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EBANK SencneS,
Ebank is winded, bruised, and on the floor, and like pack animals there are many weaklings in this thread that seem to be enjoying kicking you while you are (collectively) down. It's time to pick yourselves up, brush yourselves off, stand up straight and tall and start sticking up for yourselves again. Enough of this already!
It's not a lot I know, but I have reserved 5b, which is available to Hexxx/E-bank on request, if it helps at all. |
EBANK SencneS
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Potsnack EBANK SencneS,
Ebank is winded, bruised, and on the floor, and like pack animals there are many weaklings in this thread that seem to be enjoying kicking you while you are (collectively) down. It's time to pick yourselves up, brush yourselves off, stand up straight and tall and start sticking up for yourselves again. Enough of this already!
It's not a lot I know, but I have reserved 5b, which is available to Hexxx/E-bank on request, if it helps at all.
Oh I know this, and on behalf of EBANK we all thank you. I've actually laughed out loud at some ideas I've heard over MSN according to the statements made.
Some people are just really really silly.
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Treelox
Amarr Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:19:00 -
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@ SencneS
You still fail to understand the wisdom behind doing a mass evemailing. It gives EBANK "plausible deniability" in the future for all people who send their deposits starting at the time the GMs stop assisting you. The evemail only needs to contain enough information to inform all concerned of the new deposit mechanics, best with a URL the banks site.
Yes this will most likely generate another run on the bank, but it will save the bank so much hassle and grief in the long run.
If you and the board fail to grasp that, I fear for the banks future. If you do grasp it and still are disinclined to do this simple CYA. Then the only conclusion I can come up with is that the words of Hexxx at the begining of this thread are no longer true, your short on liquidity now, and a run would cause you to start selling off assests at a serious loss.
IMO, if I were a part of the BoD, selling at a loss now to get your self eternal CYA on this whole changing of the deposit mechanic is well worth the "investment". |
Cogwheel
Gallente New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox @ SencneS
You still fail to understand the wisdom behind doing a mass evemailing. It gives EBANK "plausible deniability" in the future for all people who send their deposits starting at the time the GMs stop assisting you. The evemail only needs to contain enough information to inform all concerned of the new deposit mechanics, best with a URL the banks site.
Yes this will most likely generate another run on the bank, but it will save the bank so much hassle and grief in the long run.
If you and the board fail to grasp that, I fear for the banks future. If you do grasp it and still are disinclined to do this simple CYA. Then the only conclusion I can come up with is that the words of Hexxx at the begining of this thread are no longer true, your short on liquidity now, and a run would cause you to start selling off assests at a serious loss.
IMO, if I were a part of the BoD, selling at a loss now to get your self eternal CYA on this whole changing of the deposit mechanic is well worth the "investment".
Exactly. If you send out the evemails, you won't have to honor deposits sent to EBANK Ricdic after next week. |
SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF You guys need to change that stance on deposits after CCP closes it out.
I'm sure they can at the drop of a hat and probably with the approval of every other EBANK customer. If some people want to play that game I'm sure the GM's would get sick of it as every deposit would require a petition.
Not sure people quiet understand just what position they are in here. Not only is there a chance CCP would ban them for harassment, Now that is Drama bomb worthy.
In the end EBANK Ricdic acting as an ISK sink may not be a bad thing. For a year now I've said EBANK is a testiment to the fact there are not enough ISK Sinks in the game.
If EBANK has to change their policy to help the misfortune struck by bad timing then I'm sure they will. At the moment I can say they have every intention of helping those people who just happen to use EBANK Ricdic at the wrong time. If people want to chance throwing away billions of ISK just to be *****s then I guess that's their prerogative..
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Mova B
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Posted - 2009.06.12 22:48:00 -
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And the milking continues...
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.13 00:36:00 -
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I depositted 10b to EBANK Ricdic before I saw this.
WTF DO I DO NOW?! Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
GPszith
Gallente Pork Chop Express
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Posted - 2009.06.13 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I depositted 10b to EBANK Ricdic before I saw this.
WTF DO I DO NOW?!
Interesting. I just sent .1 isk to ebank ricdic and it worked. I have to wonder if the character was banned if that's the case.
Also, he has joined a new corp Garoun Investment Bank less than 24 hours ago. It was stated that he was banned several days ago.
More popcorn please:P -------------------------------------------------- -GPszith
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Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.06.13 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: GPszith
Interesting. I just sent .1 isk to ebank ricdic and it worked. I have to wonder if the character was banned if that's the case.
Banned != biomassed.
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Also, he has joined a new corp Garoun Investment Bank less than 24 hours ago. It was stated that he was banned several days ago.
GIB is an NPC corp. When a player is booted out of a player corp they wind up in one of these NPC corps. GIB is for gallente, just like Perkone is for those of us awesome enough to have 3 charisma. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question? |
Jagga Spikes
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.06.13 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear
Originally by: GPszith
Interesting. I just sent .1 isk to ebank ricdic and it worked. I have to wonder if the character was banned if that's the case.
Banned != biomassed. ...
ISK can be sent to biomassed character.
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northwesten
Amarr Trinity Corporate Services Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.06.13 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: GPszith
Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I depositted 10b to EBANK Ricdic before I saw this.
WTF DO I DO NOW?!
Interesting. I just sent .1 isk to ebank ricdic and it worked. I have to wonder if the character was banned if that's the case.
Also, he has joined a new corp Garoun Investment Bank less than 24 hours ago. It was stated that he was banned several days ago.
More popcorn please:P
are you really really dumb or not looked at the info? Thats a freaking NPC corp FFS! |
MynChu NicAtoch
Eternity INC.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock I depositted 10b to EBANK Ricdic before I saw this.
WTF DO I DO NOW?!
This is easily verified. They'll be able to confirm it from your full API. |
Zeddicus Mallows
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Posted - 2009.06.13 10:41:00 -
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Reason for your post after Proton is you had more facts to find out and did not want to relase before you knew everything. So now that you opened deposits up we can all assume you know the facts.
What are they?
Did you do an audit to see what is what before you allow billions of more isk into the bank again?
Are you just going to ignore the audit stuff?
What about always saying before this you limit isk that anyone person has, i think it was said no more than 30bil isk at anytime. This was about 7 times that amount, any comments on these lies? |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.13 10:55:00 -
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its always been known that ricdic had access to around 200B of EBANK ISK at any given time, infact this figure has been tripled at times, thats what i get from reading these forums atleast.! ______
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Alec V3
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Posted - 2009.06.13 11:05:00 -
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I must say this was unexpected, but great :) Ebank ****ed up big time. and Ricdic turned out to be just another scammer....
Originally by: Ji Sama its always been known that ricdic had access to around 200B of EBANK ISK at any given time, infact this figure has been tripled at times, thats what i get from reading these forums atleast.!
Indeed, There is no proof that any stuff on here was valid, More data needs to be made public, and the code that provides it must be proved to be valid.
A different question though: Is this a bigger scam then the EIB bank one....will ricdic be featured in the tutorial thanks to Ricdic?
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StationSpinner
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Posted - 2009.06.13 11:12:00 -
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Confirming that IGBank is now the premier deposit bank in New Eden. |
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