You forgot that no place is safe in Eve. Hisec is not safer because magic is making bullets fly slower and hit not with full power, it is safer because you have Concord policing those systems. If you want magic you should already know where to go to...

You forgot that no place is safe in Eve. Hisec is not safer because magic is making bullets fly slower and hit not with full power, it is safer because you have Concord policing those systems. If you want magic you should already know where to go to...

This, I don't want any of that harry potter gay wizardry in my eve.

For f sake.... you're not even trying to understand what i am saying.
A destroyer will kill a "normal" Hulk in high sec, before Concord arrives, with this system it won't, it would need friends to help him in order to do that.

I see, you don't like "fair" much, ok, i can get that, seeing it in your perspective.

a 1.5 million fully fitted Destroyer ganking a 200 million isk Hulk is not fair, no matter how you put it.
Being able to make millions of isk, in a system where you can't get ganked is also not fair.

This fixes both, you want to be reasonable safe, stay in a space where you make way to little isk, you want to make more isk, you go to a system where you CAN get ganked pretty easily.

For f sake.... you're not even trying to understand what i am saying.
A destroyer will kill a "normal" Hulk in high sec, before Concord arrives, with this system it won't, it would need friends to help him in order to do that.

I see, you don't like "fair" much, ok, i can get that, seeing it in your perspective.

a 1.5 million fully fitted Destroyer ganking a 200 million isk Hulk is not fair, no matter how you put it.
Being able to make millions of isk, in a system where you can't get ganked is also not fair.

This fixes both, you want to be reasonable safe, stay in a space where you make way to little isk, you want to make more isk, you go to a system where you CAN get ganked pretty easily.

a miner in high sec space, doesn't make much less isk then a miner in low or null

Reduce the amount of DPS per level of sec space, when targeting another player ( unless they are at war ). This would make Destroyers ganking Hulks almost impossible ( unless you have more then 1 ganker of course ).

Of course, this would make high sec space a haven for miners and we don't want that either.
So to combat this, i also propose to reduce mining yield, based on system security.

Also to correct a fallacy. I have heard the argument that a destroyer should not be able to kill a Hulk, as it relates to price. This is an invalid argument, as it happens all the time in warfare. Example: the airplane and the Exocet missile are vastly less expensive than the ship and crew they are designed to sink. Also they do it from range and in most cases without warning. (sound familiar?)

All I ask is that CCP stop allowing the same old re-rapped argument for changing a legitimate game mechanic into every single freaking forum. I swear this horse has been dead for a long time.

Now a game mechanic that I would not mind seeing is the ability to target ships with mining lasers with some form of thermal damage (not a crap tonne as hull plating already is a type of heat sink, but enough to shoo a pesky ship off) See I am not a total a-hole. I provide a logical solution to a mechanic that makes sense, not magic-ing DPS away.

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I see, you don't like "fair" much, ok, i can get that, seeing it in your perspective.

a 1.5 million fully fitted Destroyer ganking a 200 million isk Hulk is not fair, no matter how you put it.
Being able to make millions of isk, in a system where you can't get ganked is also not fair.

This fixes both, you want to be reasonable safe, stay in a space where you make way to little isk, you want to make more isk, you go to a system where you CAN get ganked pretty easily.

[quote=Easthir Ravin]
For reference, lets say they used a good plane, like an F-22. According to the defense department for one year, they spent 64.5 billion, to purchase 184 of these. Average unit cost: 350 million.
Exocet missiles, the air to ship type: anywhere from 500 thousand to over a million each, depending on who you ask.

Supertanker: top of the line, biggest thing that carries oil: top price is estimated at 120 million.

You picked the MOST expensive jet aircraft in the United States Arsenal.

I admire your motives and goals, but I think this is too artificial a solution, not to mention that fact that it would impact PvP quite heavily. Personally I would prefer if CCP just buffed low sec/null, or nerfed high sec, but that would probably be very unpopular.

Altering DPS means you would now need more ships to break a maelstrom's tank, kill something before it gets back to gate or alpha through enemy logistic's reps. If only for these reasons, this is a bad proposal.

Given the options I approve of CCP's current strategy, which seems to be to reintroduce sand box style game play to high sec by fixing war mechanics. That is assuming the changes concerning corp hopping make it to the live server.

Now all they need to do is introduce stricter penalties for being in an NPC corp, currently NPC corp alts suffer no ill effects whilst hauling or mining. This renders suicide ganking the only viable method for attacking them, and IMHO suicide ganking is a terrible and stupid game mechanic.

Post your loss mail.

[quote=Easthir Ravin]Also to correct a fallacy. I have heard the argument that a destroyer should not be able to kill a Hulk, as it relates to price. This is an invalid argument, as it happens all the time in warfare. Example: the airplane and the Exocet missile are vastly less expensive than the ship and crew they are designed to sink. Also they do it from range and in most cases without warning. (sound familiar?)

Would you really believe oil companies would use fragile boats and rigs to pump oil, if they were under constant threat of being shot to bits? i don't think so. And since you can't realistically say that Hulks should be able to fit weapons, ( like they probably would on an oil rig ) i think my solution ( or something more thought through based on this ) would be the only fair way to do it.

You're thinking about this the wrong way. High sec miners *choose* to go out in a fragile boat to pump oil despite being under the threat of being shot to bits. In the real world, if they were under constant threat, they would have an escort fleet to protect them and recon to give them a heads up. They'd even likely be retrofit with more armour at the expense of some storage capacity.

All things that a miner can already do in EVE.

A high sec miner is choosing to maximize profit by neglecting defence and choosing to court danger by heading out alone and not paying attention. In real life, a Destroyer would sink such a boat with relative ease. Much as they do in EVE.