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nate555
The Godhand Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.16 06:05:00 -
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now when it comes to using shield boosters do you have to use the size larger then the ship in order to rep a lot. cause i see armor tankers use dual reps to heal themselves faster. i want to do pvp related things. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.16 06:41:00 -
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No is the short answer.
The longer answer is, as always, "it depends" - and in this case it depends on the ship and the bonuses.
Dual-rep plated ships are very ship-specific too, Myrmidon being the classic example where you fit autocannons to reduce cap usage so the reppers run longer. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.16 06:45:00 -
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Othran wrote:No is the short answer.
The longer answer is, as always, "it depends" - and in this case it depends on the ship and the bonuses.
Dual-rep plated ships are very ship-specific too, Myrmidon being the classic example where you fit autocannons to reduce cap usage so the reppers run longer. so i just want a high rep rate.
[Ferox, pvp] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Patterned Stasis Web I
Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet II x5
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:00:00 -
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You got no buffer on that so it makes no odds what shield booster you put on it, you will DIAF. CDFE rigs don't count as buffer as 15% bonus on bugger all is still bugger all
Edit - also I would always fit a YT8 mwd as it uses less cap, and its cheaper than T2. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:04:00 -
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Othran wrote:You got no buffer on that so it makes no odds what shield booster you put on it, you will DIAF. CDFE rigs don't count as buffer as 15% bonus on bugger all is still bugger all Edit - also I would always fit a YT8 mwd as it uses less cap, and its cheaper than T2. what? |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:16:00 -
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forums ate my post again
drake, T2 fit, kill anything stupid enough to engage you, run from anything that can kill you
much better than ferox |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
88
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:17:00 -
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nate555 wrote:Othran wrote:You got no buffer on that so it makes no odds what shield booster you put on it, you will DIAF. CDFE rigs don't count as buffer as 15% bonus on bugger all is still bugger all Edit - also I would always fit a YT8 mwd as it uses less cap, and its cheaper than T2. what?
He said that is a **** fit.
In all honesty though, it is. For shields, buffer is always the way to go, except MAYBE for the Cyclone. Never ever use a faction SB on a T1 ship anyway, especially on a ferox. Use drugs instead if you have to use a booster.
But just buffer it. You will last alot longer. |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:19:00 -
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You have no buffer - ie you have no shield extender (or armour plate if you went that way) fitted.
If you are planning on using that for PvP you need to buffer fit it. Most PvP ships without some sort of buffer tend to die fast and that Ferox will die fast.
I'm no expert on Ferox (hell I never even see them being flown) but this is more the sort of thing :
[Ferox, Modified_PvP] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II
Warp Scrambler II Patterned Stasis Web I Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Modal Ion Particle Accelerator I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet II x5
That gives you 62k EHP compared with 46k on the old setup. Also on your setup you are extremely cap dependent with the blasters and neut, never mind the shield repper. |
beor oranes
The Capitalist Protectorate Mad Scientists
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Posted - 2011.09.16 07:50:00 -
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Headerman is right, there are very few shield PvP ships that are better to active tank than buffer. Not saying you cant do it with a Ferox, I believe it was Kil2 used to use a very good active Ferox set-up, but it takes a lot of player skill to make it work as you just cant engage and hope for the best, you have to pick your fights carefully. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.16 14:48:00 -
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for example. i tend to stay away from gallente ships. they are mean with nuteing. basicly i see a lot of videos were people are active and they stay in the fight longer then buffer. |
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.16 15:40:00 -
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Please PVP in a ferox with a billion isk booster.
The killmail shall be awesome. |
Puss in Boots
Commando Elite Corp
1
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Posted - 2011.09.16 16:01:00 -
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nate555 wrote:for example. i tend to stay away from gallente ships. they are mean with nuteing. basicly i see a lot of videos were people are active and they stay in the fight longer then buffer.
Gaining pvp experience from video's that may date back to 2003, is all win here. I approve of this method.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.09.16 16:02:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Please PVP in a ferox with a billion isk booster.
The killmail shall be awesome.
This. That Pithum A-type is pretty much off limits as far as throwaway PvP ships go. If you're pimping out a 100mn AB Tengu, maybe. But on a Ferox that's just... bad. Really bad.
As far as active shield tanking in PvP goes in a more general sense, it's generally restricted to boost amount-bonused hulls -- which pretty much means Cyclone and Sleipnir. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.16 21:11:00 -
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awh man. i wanted to get some epicness from this. all well back to t2 booster |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
30
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Posted - 2011.09.17 00:02:00 -
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nate555 wrote:now when it comes to using shield boosters do you have to use the size larger then the ship in order to rep a lot. cause i see armor tankers use dual reps to heal themselves faster. i want to do pvp related things. Unlike armor reps, shield boosters: * Rep at the start of the cycle (amor reps at the end) * Cycle faster than armor reps * Repair less efficiently than armor reps
It is rare to use dual shield boosters. Typically only one can be fitted. Using an oversized shield booster is also not always possible (grid is often a limitation).
Shield boosters are not as common in PvP, as a buffer tank is usually preferred. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.17 01:08:00 -
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well how is the rohk able to do this with a shield booster? is it just becuase its a battleship |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2011.09.17 01:38:00 -
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nate555 wrote:well how is the rohk able to do this with a shield booster? is it just becuase its a battleship
X-large on a Rokh? Yeah, it fits. But again, you're better off with buffer tank. Aside from that, Rokh is a pretty lousy ship to begin with, just like Ferox.
It might be a good idea to just go with a nice drake until you get a feel of things. [Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.09.17 05:56:00 -
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sabre906 wrote: It might be a good idea to just go with a nice drake until you get a feel of things. [Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
I've never wanted a dislike button so much as right now. You have a no-point, no-web, afterburning Drake fit and describe it as PvP? Seriously?
[Drake, Brick Drake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field II Warp Scrambler II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5
You can active tank a Drake, but without links, Crystals and blue pill, you aren't going to get the kind of "brawler" style tank you see on a Cyclone, Maelstrom, etc. since it can only fit a LSB. It's more for keeping up with the minor league damage you take when kiting; i.e. drones, "that one guy" with an arty cane, the occassional SB torp or bomb, etc.
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Fabulous Virgil
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.09.17 13:18:00 -
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SOOOOOOOO much bullshit in this thread.
Armor tankers in-general do get better repair amount, however it comes at a price. Active shield tanking has it's own implants which help alot, also there's an invulerability field which is an omni tanking ACTIVE module, it means you can overload it, armor tankers can't overload EANMs. Also shield boosters take very little heat damage, you can keep them overloaded much, much longer, however this "bonus" depends on how much you overload your mwd and scram.
Fittings for the Ferox:
passive
Quote:[Ferox, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M E5 Prototype Energy Vampire
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hobgoblin II x5
active
Quote:[Ferox, New Setup 2 copy 2] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Booster II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x5
jebus ******* chryst the **** you poeple post makes me cringe |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
2
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Posted - 2011.09.17 15:56:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:sabre906 wrote: It might be a good idea to just go with a nice drake until you get a feel of things. [Drake, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hornet EC-300 x5
I've never wanted a dislike button so much as right now. You have a no-point, no-web, afterburning Drake fit and describe it as PvP? Seriously? [Drake, Brick Drake] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Photon Scattering Field II Warp Scrambler II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5 You can active tank a Drake, but without links, Crystals and blue pill, you aren't going to get the kind of "brawler" style tank you see on a Cyclone, Maelstrom, etc. since it can only fit a LSB. It's more for keeping up with the minor league damage you take when kiting; i.e. drones, "that one guy" with an arty cane, the occassional SB torp or bomb, etc.
It's standard issue blob drake, the kind that's handed out prefitted to expendable peons. I didn't put "pvp" anywhere in that post, but I guess some people consider blobbing pvp, as that's all there is those days. I wouldn't fly that scram fit, or any drake, solo. You just won't be able to get any kills, and get popped at some point. Too little speed to catch prey or get away, too little dps to kill. Buffer only means a slower death solo. The idea is to fly with the blob and get a feel of things, not feed the blob. |
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NoNah
Hyper-Nova
11
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Posted - 2011.09.17 16:21:00 -
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There's NOTHING wrong with using a shield booster for pvp. The vast majority of ships can pull it off and do very well, however it will have issues once the fleet sizes grow, and in all honesty most people whom manage to put much use to it tends to complete their fitting with crystal sets, blue pills and a tengu booster. Sadly, even if you get all of the above, you will most likely fail, not because active tanking in pvp is a bad idea - but because you don't know WHY it's not a bad idea. If you did you wouldn't really have to ask. And throwing more isk at the problem won't solve it, it will just postpone your inevitable and now embarassing killmail.
Drakes and feroxes are no exception, they can do very well activetanked, but again they're much harder to fly and you have to be a tad more careful with what targets you choose to engage.
.... easier does not always mean better. |
nate555
The Godhand Corporation
0
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Posted - 2011.09.17 17:35:00 -
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when i fit drakes for pvp, i just go all nano. much quicker to nab frigs and crusiers. although you don't find that much in low sec. its always battle cruisers and sometimes battleships. it kind of destroys the meaning of going anywhere to pvp but high sec |
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
11
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Posted - 2011.09.17 17:46:00 -
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nate555 wrote:when i fit drakes for pvp, i just go all nano. much quicker to nab frigs and crusiers. although you don't find that much in low sec. its always battle cruisers and sometimes battleships. it kind of destroys the meaning of going anywhere to pvp but high sec
Honestly, if all you want to do is to nab frigates and cruisers, there's more effective alternatives. Fleet stabbers or canes are good examples. That said, nanodrakes are quite impressive and incredibly effective in general, just not the only way of flying them effectively. |
sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
2
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Posted - 2011.09.17 18:21:00 -
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NoNah wrote:nate555 wrote:when i fit drakes for pvp, i just go all nano. much quicker to nab frigs and crusiers. although you don't find that much in low sec. its always battle cruisers and sometimes battleships. it kind of destroys the meaning of going anywhere to pvp but high sec Honestly, if all you want to do is to nab frigates and cruisers, there's more effective alternatives. Fleet stabbers or canes are good examples. That said, nanodrakes are quite impressive and incredibly effective in general, just not the only way of flying them effectively.
How do you make it work? My attempts at nano-drake always ended in quick deaths. I just figured it should be better left to ships like Cynabal and such... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.09.17 18:42:00 -
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why not go shiled rep torp raven> get 1200 dps and over 1000 dps tank with blue pill |
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
11
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Posted - 2011.09.17 18:44:00 -
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Honestly a ton of ways of doing it, the most common way is going double web, long point and hmls. Insanely easy to fly, just keep your distance, if anythings comes close, slap on two webs and you'll near enough always be faster than whoever got close. Damage output is great for it's range, but obviously requires you to keep range to at all be respectible.
There's obviously more to it, but nothing you shouldn't be able to pick up on your own and far to much to be detailed in general. While the cynabal is great, it's a completely different beast than the drake. and could never hope to do anything but escape from equal numbers of drakes. Let alone equal value. |
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
11
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Posted - 2011.09.17 18:46:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:why not go shiled rep torp raven> get 1200 dps and over 1000 dps tank with blue pill
Because there's no way to make that actually work. You'll always be stuck without tackle, or without projection or without mobility or without.... something. Awesome in theory, terrible in practice. Buffered torp ravens however are quite good, just insanely situational, a fit like the one you suggest far far more so. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2011.09.17 18:57:00 -
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NoNah wrote:MeBiatch wrote:why not go shiled rep torp raven> get 1200 dps and over 1000 dps tank with blue pill Because there's no way to make that actually work. You'll always be stuck without tackle, or without projection or without mobility or without.... something. Awesome in theory, terrible in practice. Buffered torp ravens however are quite good, just insanely situational, a fit like the one you suggest far far more so.
yeah its only good for station games and such where you already know you are shooting at other bs's.... but it is rather effective at staying alive in that ultra niche situation...
but yeah buffer fit gives you around 100k ehp which i personally like better then the booster fit...
so advice to the op... go for buffer fit for pvp/pve... and booster fit for certain ships for pve... |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
7
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Posted - 2011.09.17 19:35:00 -
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sabre906 wrote:It's standard issue blob drake, the kind that's handed out prefitted to expendable peons.
I've been in some of the blobbiest fights in EVE's history and no one with a brain showed up in an afterburning Drake.
Quote:I didn't put "pvp" anywhere in that post, but I guess some people consider blobbing pvp, as that's all there is those days.
OK then, you have a PvE Drake with ECM drones? Or were you implying that players shooting other players isn't PvP if there are too many of them?
Quote:I wouldn't fly that scram fit, or any drake, solo. You just won't be able to get any kills, and get popped at some point. Too little speed to catch prey or get away, too little dps to kill. Buffer only means a slower death solo. The idea is to fly with the blob and get a feel of things, not feed the blob.
LOL. You really have no clue wtf you are talking about. |
I Legionnaire
The Tuskers
1
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Posted - 2011.09.17 19:43:00 -
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Quote:LOL. You really have no clue wtf you are talking about. |
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