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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:17:00 -
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Alliance Tournament VII Rules
Please discuss rules here. We are quite happy to debate rules back and forth and take into consideration any concerns, suggestions, and so on that anyone may have. |
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:22:00 -
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Let me start this with the following observation by me:
Logistics Cruisers are reallowed, but Logistics-setup tech 3 cruisers are not. The rules will be changing to allow logistics T3 cruisers at the same restrictions as Logistics (ie, a maximum of one ship per team with logistics modules). We just didnt quite get this into the rules in time for publication today as I only realised this on Sisi an hour ago :) |
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Shigsy
Neo Spartans Laconian Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:36:00 -
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yay logi ships... |
Saibin Gias
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:38:00 -
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Can multiple logistics ships be used if they don't have armor/shield transfers fit? ie- multiple ships for cap xfer/tracking links?
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Olivor
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:57:00 -
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11 points seems like a lot for a t1 cruiser. I can't think really of any that are worth fielding for the points... |
ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:27:00 -
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can we please remove the no booster and no pirate implant rules????? |
Martyn Brierfield
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Posted - 2009.06.13 02:01:00 -
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The 2b non refundable entry fee seems a bit steep to me. Do you want a competition that encourages all alliances to have a go, or just the big, rich ones?
I liked the fact that AT6 had some new faces, as it gave these smaller, up and coming alliances the opportunity to get a little recognition.
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Verlokiraptor
All Around Research Inc Onslaught.
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Posted - 2009.06.13 07:32:00 -
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Although it wouldn't be much use, it looks like you can use bubbles. Also apparently cynos are okay now? Why aren't black ops allowed anyway?
The 11 point cruiser seems a little steep, but the 11 point brutix is great. I'm assuming that's to discourage the all cruiser teams which we saw so many of.
I'm certainly imagining someone will bring a hauler full of cap boosters and triple-rep their battleships. |
Anti Excedrin
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Posted - 2009.06.13 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Martyn Brierfield The 2b non refundable entry fee seems a bit steep to me. Do you want a competition that encourages all alliances to have a go, or just the big, rich ones?
I liked the fact that AT6 had some new faces, as it gave these smaller, up and coming alliances the opportunity to get a little recognition.
2 billion is almost nothing to any Alliance with 10 players who are also capable of fielding, and losing, enough ships to actually participate in the tournament. |
Olivor
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Posted - 2009.06.13 10:53:00 -
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The "problem" with cruisers last year was faction cruisers being very cheap, bog standard cruisers weren't massively common. This year faction cruisers are pretty much worthless for the stuff that costs the same points and also nerfed anyway due to the 2 of any named ship limit.
As for the 2B ISK it does state it's going into the prize pool.
One last things:
"ALL alliances (including those with automatic entry) must apply using the signup page. This page will be available from downtime on Friday, 3rd 2009 until downtime on Friday 17th 2009. Only the CEO of the executor corporation of the alliance may apply."
I assume that's July?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:50:00 -
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1. Lower T1 haulers to 2 points 2. Allow T2 haulers at 3 or 4 points
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.13 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Trimutius III on 13/06/2009 16:45:08 Hmm... I don't want to participate (i'm expert in evasive maneuvers and trading/hauling, but not in fighting) But i have one question. Why there is no points for Black Ops in rules? They are not more powerfull then BS, so i see no reason for not allowing them...
P.S. I just want to watch tournament and it's interesting to me which ships would be used, especeally ships that are rare in normal PVP like Black Ops... |
Templayer
Amarr Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.13 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Claw Let me start this with the following observation by me:
Logistics Cruisers are reallowed, but Logistics-setup tech 3 cruisers are not. The rules will be changing to allow logistics T3 cruisers at the same restrictions as Logistics (ie, a maximum of one ship per team with logistics modules). We just didnt quite get this into the rules in time for publication today as I only realised this on Sisi an hour ago :)
Dear Claw,
Can you please clarify if i understand you correctly :
Logistic ship = Strategic cruiser with Reppers bonused subsystem. So you can have only one of them for 1 team?
How does rule of "no double shiptypes" applies to T3? Subsystem combination = 1 shiptype or is it a Hull(max 2 Legions per team for example). I understand that its pretty different when we are talking about hulls of monolith ships and those modular ones.
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.06.13 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Templayer
Can you please clarify if i understand you correctly :
Logistic ship = Strategic cruiser with Reppers bonused subsystem. So you can have only one of them for 1 team?
Yes, so basically we're going to allow one Logistics Cruiser OR one T3 cruiser with logistics modules, once I look at it on Monday.
Quote: How does rule of "no double shiptypes" apply to T3? Subsystem combination = 1 shiptype or is it a Hull(max 2 Legions per team for example). I understand that its pretty different when we are talking about hulls of monolith ships and those modular ones.
"Teams may field no more than 2 of a given ship. This applies to specifically named ships..."
So max 2 of a T3 cruiser regardless of subsystems. |
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Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.14 02:45:00 -
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Reposting some stuff from the info portal thread, that really needs to be looked at. Restricting COSMOS modules from the tournament is just not a good idea. I would like to start some dialogue on this and get some ideas from the staff and general community on why COSMOS modules should be disallowed. I might be missing something, and if I am, please tell me what it is.
Originally by: Atiana Obaani Seriously guys, will you PLEASE remove the restriction on COSMOS modules already?
1. They aren't as wtfpwn as faction or officer modules, or even tech 2 they simply allow for some crafty fits.
2. The tournament is really the only time there is any demand whatsoever for the modules.
3. They don't cost **** in a bucket compared to deadspace or officer gear.
It is really obnoxious that these modules are disallowed, it doesn't even remotely affect cost of entry it just allows pilots to show off truly ingenious fitting skills as well as PvP prowess. I really hope you guys will look into this.
Originally by: Rika I
Originally by: Atiana Obaani Seriously guys, will you PLEASE remove the restriction on COSMOS modules already?
1. They aren't as wtfpwn as faction or officer modules, or even tech 2 they simply allow for some crafty fits.
2. The tournament is really the only time there is any demand whatsoever for the modules.
3. They don't cost **** in a bucket compared to deadspace or officer gear.
It is really obnoxious that these modules are disallowed, it doesn't even remotely affect cost of entry it just allows pilots to show off truly ingenious fitting skills as well as PvP prowess. I really hope you guys will look into this.
QFT, most of them are worse than t2 mods...
Originally by: ChiseFu I completely agree with Atiana about the COSMOS modules. For stuff that is discounted as total trash by the majority of the community this restriction is pretty ridiculous.
It allows for odd fits, supports the people who have trained their butts off to produce COSMOS mods that frankly don't really sell, and they aren't even remotely as powerful as faction, deadspace, or officer gear. As Rika said, most of them totally suck compared to T2, but T2 is allowed.
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Martyn Brierfield
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Posted - 2009.06.14 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Anti Excedrin 2 billion is almost nothing to any Alliance with 10 players who are also capable of fielding, and losing, enough ships to actually participate in the tournament.
That is my point exactly. The 2b fee has absolutely NO impact on those large alliances with bucket loads of ISK, however, those smaller alliances that must budget for the tournament will compete at a disadvantage. The tournament is already skewed to favour the large and rich, why add a mechanic to further handicap the less wealthy.
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Aggememnon
Insurrection Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.14 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tournament rules 6. The ship points table is as follows, ship types not listed in the table are not allowed:
So I guess we wont be seeing any nighthawks this tournament even though they performed pretty nice last time.
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Templayer
Amarr Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.14 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aggememnon
Originally by: Tournament rules 6. The ship points table is as follows, ship types not listed in the table are not allowed:
So I guess we wont be seeing any nighthawks this tournament even though they performed pretty nice last time.
T2 battlecruisers? Lol.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Martyn Brierfield
Originally by: Anti Excedrin 2 billion is almost nothing to any Alliance with 10 players who are also capable of fielding, and losing, enough ships to actually participate in the tournament.
That is my point exactly. The 2b fee has absolutely NO impact on those large alliances with bucket loads of ISK, however, those smaller alliances that must budget for the tournament will compete at a disadvantage. The tournament is already skewed to favour the large and rich, why add a mechanic to further handicap the less wealthy.
Having several groups of ships for several rounds will cost u more then this 2b fee... I don't know about alliance but I myself have 2 bill in my wallet (not exactly in wallet and not on this char but still i have 2 bill) though i'm not playing really much and carebearing only from time to time. and my corporation have even more, so i can't imagine how alliance could not afford 2 bill fee??? U mean that newbie alliances can't afford them? There is no need for newbie alliances to participate in such events anyway.... Anyway u can even pay about $100 and get those 2 bill from selling PLEXes... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Martyn Brierfield
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Posted - 2009.06.14 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III There is no need for newbie alliances to participate in such events anyway.... Anyway u can even pay about $100 and get those 2 bill from selling PLEXes...
Why shouldn't newbie alliance participate in such events? If an alliance has to resort to paying real cash just to cover the entry fee, then that demonstrates that the non refundable entry fee only stands to handicap the less wealthy.
I just like as level a playing field as possible, as it makes for a better competition.
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Straife
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.14 22:36:00 -
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Can we get an update on Black Ops Battleships please. I would assume that they are allowed and would be the same point cost as a Marauder but as they are not on the list I am taking a huge guess. --------
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.14 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Martyn Brierfield
Why shouldn't newbie alliance participate in such events?
Well... I mean really new characters... That play less then 1-2 monthes, because there should be a group of 10 people so every one of them should pay 200 mill, so u can afford such a small fee... U know 30d PLEXes price was something like 300 mill or more for long time and some newbies payed their subscription with PLEXes (though u need to sit ingame for at least 1-2 hours a day and earn ISK) and that is more then 200 mill. So where is the problem? Only newbies that play less then a month can't afford that fee, and i don't think that such newbie character can give any competition on tournament, they don't have enough skills to be a power... U know very often my ships with fit cost 200 mill, and i do lose them and buy new one for 200 mill again, it's not a big money at all... And if u'll hit prizes this fee will repay... So it's normal... It's like in real-life, if u want participate in Poker Tournament u pay entrance fee and if u don't have that much money then sorry pal, and maybe it's unfair to poor people, but what wrong with that, this how it works, and this how it should work. |
Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.15 00:28:00 -
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Ok seriously, SCREW the fee. Any alliance anywhere can easily afford to drop that kind of cash as an entrance fee. We all know it, lets stop griping about it, and start talking about the actual rules, as that is what this thread is for. COMSOS Plz?
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Martyn Brierfield
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Posted - 2009.06.15 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Martyn Brierfield on 15/06/2009 00:32:06
Originally by: Trimutius III This how it works, this how it always worked and this how it should work.
Not so. AT6 the entry fee was refunded when you completed all your matches. You would forfeit the fee if you were a no show or something like that. Also, the only way you could liken the alliance tournament to a poker tournament is that once the entry fee was paid, there was no additional cost associated with the ships you bring to each match.
I just want to see as level a playing field as possible, because it makes for an interesting competition. Matches already favour those that can afford the pimped out ships, I just donÆt understand the need to make it harder for those that canÆt. With 2b ISK extra in the budget you might consider fielding a few faction BS or T3 ships in a match.
On another subjectà
IÆve not fought in or against a T3 cruiser, but I imagine they are far superior to a HAC, if so, why are they the same points?
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Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.15 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Martyn Brierfield Edited by: Martyn Brierfield on 15/06/2009 00:32:06
Originally by: Trimutius III This how it works, this how it always worked and this how it should work.
Not so. AT6 the entry fee was refunded when you completed all your matches. You would forfeit the fee if you were a no show or something like that. Also, the only way you could liken the alliance tournament to a poker tournament is that once the entry fee was paid, there was no additional cost associated with the ships you bring to each match.
I just want to see as level a playing field as possible, because it makes for an interesting competition. Matches already favour those that can afford the pimped out ships, I just donÆt understand the need to make it harder for those that canÆt. With 2b ISK extra in the budget you might consider fielding a few faction BS or T3 ships in a match.
On another subjectà
IÆve not fought in or against a T3 cruiser, but I imagine they are far superior to a HAC, if so, why are they the same points?
Pimped out ships in AT6? Huh? Where? I was there. Seriously. Get over the fee and get back to the rules.
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Templayer
Amarr Monks of War United Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.15 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Templayer on 15/06/2009 06:12:52
Originally by: CCP Claw
Originally by: Templayer
Can you please clarify if i understand you correctly :
Logistic ship = Strategic cruiser with Reppers bonused subsystem. So you can have only one of them for 1 team?
Yes, so basically we're going to allow one Logistics Cruiser OR one T3 cruiser with logistics modules, once I look at it on Monday.
Quote: How does rule of "no double shiptypes" apply to T3? Subsystem combination = 1 shiptype or is it a Hull(max 2 Legions per team for example). I understand that its pretty different when we are talking about hulls of monolith ships and those modular ones.
"Teams may field no more than 2 of a given ship. This applies to specifically named ships..."
So max 2 of a T3 cruiser regardless of subsystems.
Thank ya for clarification. Last question: are rules final or you plan tweaking them along the way to september like in a last one? i.e can i start making setups already ? :D
Recons seem to have pretty small price comparing to other cruiser sized t2 ships. Last time recons had initially too big price and it was nerfed to lower level.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.15 06:39:00 -
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T3 needs to cost more points but otherwise, the rules look very good! Not sure I like the only 2 of each ship rule, is there really a problem with a all rupture/thorax cruiser spam team? Now in order to do cruiser/HAC spam I have to use less effective ships and turn a specialized strategy into just a blob/mess. If you want to stop teams of all one ship type then how about a 3-4 limit?
Can't wait, this tournament will be the best ever I am hoping!
Originally by: CCP Whisper So you're going to have to do some actual thinking with regards to hull components and their capabilities instead of copying some cookie-cutter setup. Cry some more.
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Guru Saurfang
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.15 07:55:00 -
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You always try to change it from the last time . Maybe the focus should not be: ö what rules will make the tournament different ô but then again there will always be people that donÆt agree.
The fact that a T3 cruiser has the same points as a HAC is kind of strange (I mean you donÆt make a difference between T2 and T3 but you make a 2 points one for BC tiers?), only limiting the number of ships can prevent people of lining up a full rack of T3.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.15 15:45:00 -
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Whilst the 2bil non refundable entry fee seems a bit steep, any alliance hoping to get past the first qualifiers is going to spend far more than that on ships, modules and hardwirings etc. At least this time it will be a bit fairer on those people unable to sign up in the first few minutes, but I'm sure some big alliance will get missed in the drawings.
I can see that CCP want to encourage the use of T3 ships for the tournie to hopefully drive people to try them out, but I think they should up the points cost a bit (or drop hac cost instead).
Haulers dropping cans of cap boosters etc could be interesting, but I suspect any FC spotting that going on will call the hauler and cans as primary pretty quickly and then pop the wreck just to make sure.
However, I look forward to seeing what people come up with |
Verlokiraptor
All Around Research Inc Onslaught.
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Posted - 2009.06.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze Haulers dropping cans of cap boosters etc could be interesting, but I suspect any FC spotting that going on will call the hauler and cans as primary pretty quickly and then pop the wreck just to make sure.
However, I look forward to seeing what people come up with
Absolutely, although it's worth noting that hauler could have almost 40k ehp with fleet bonuses + overheating and 15k cargo. Even as bait it might be worth 3 points. That's an iteron V, I haven't checked anything else. The fit includes a 75mm gatling rail :P can hit out to 16km with spike!
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