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Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.15 21:32:00 -
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Personally I think 15 is too little for a T3 cruiser and too much for a HAC. 13 would be a more reasonable value for a HAC. I can see the thought process behind bumping T1 cruisers up to 11, but to be honest that's a bit high now, especially considering that the 2 ships per team rule will all but rule out cruiser swarm tactics.
Also, CCP, how can you not be boosting Destroyers right now when you're valuing them at less than a HAULER in your own PvP tournament? Seriously, give them some love right this second.
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.15 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Christina Bamar Personally I think 15 is too little for a T3 cruiser and too much for a HAC. 13 would be a more reasonable value for a HAC.
Generally Command Ships have better damage output and better tank then T3 cruiser, so if CS get 16 point then 15 point for t3 cruisers is quite reasonable, though they are more versitile, but this versitality should not give them big advantage in PVP tournament. What T3 cruiser really could do that it should have more points, if they are expensive atm it doesn't mean that they are really powerfull, btw coolest subsystems are useless in the tournament. But i can't understand why HACs get 15 point too... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Christina Bamar
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.15 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III
Originally by: Christina Bamar Personally I think 15 is too little for a T3 cruiser and too much for a HAC. 13 would be a more reasonable value for a HAC.
Generally Command Ships have better damage output and better tank then T3 cruiser, so if CS get 16 point then 15 point for t3 cruisers is quite reasonable, though they are more versitile, but this versitality should not give them big advantage in PVP tournament. What T3 cruiser really could do that it should have more points, if they are expensive atm it doesn't mean that they are really powerfull, btw coolest subsystems are useless in the tournament. But i can't understand why HACs get 15 point too...
Actually the versatility does matter in the tournament due to the effect it has on your opponents' target calling. You see a nighthawk or an absolution and you know exactly what to expect from it 90% of the time, a T3 cruiser though can be a lot of different things, which makes it significantly harder to effectively prioritize target calling. |
Ship Type
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Posted - 2009.06.16 20:08:00 -
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Why not allow mining barges or exhumers as well? They have large holds, exhumers can fit an okay tank, throw some drones into the mix, which haulers don't have.
I think that the low point value on the destroyer prove how worthless they are most of the time, though. |
Olvests
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2009.06.16 22:56:00 -
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As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around. |
Cheekything
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2009.06.17 06:50:00 -
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Quote: 4. Teams may field no more than 1 logistics ship.
As with many people i'd like to see what this really means one of the ship or one ship with the mods? |
TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.17 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Olvests As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around.
Due to the complex economics in eve they are probably less willing to "magic" 128bil out of thin air than in other games.
Though 128bil is likely small potatoes compared to the daily trading/scamming in Jita |
Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.06.17 12:05:00 -
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No FW teams this time? |
Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.17 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Olvests As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around.
Due to the complex economics in eve they are probably less willing to "magic" 128bil out of thin air than in other games.
Though 128bil is likely small potatoes compared to the daily trading/scamming in Jita
Maybe it's few percent, but nobody know how big will be impact on economics from that "magic" 128 bill, because if they will go through Jita several times a day then it's may cause higher level of inflation, and if they will be taken away and then come back, then at least it would not cause inflation, or at least scale of inflation would be lower... (there could be some inflation if ISK will go from passive lying in the wallet into wallets of some good traders that will make those money work a lot) |
Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.18 19:51:00 -
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I'm not usually so blind, but could someone point me to the place where it says the entry fee is a non-refundable 2bil? I can't seem to find it. Thanks,
Dohl |
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Trimutius III
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.18 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dohl Khrensen Edited by: Dohl Khrensen on 18/06/2009 22:58:02 I'm not usually so blind, but could someone point me to the place where it says the entry fee is a non-refundable 2bil? I can't seem to find it. Thanks,
Dohl
U can read everything about entry fee here:
http://www.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t7/signups.asp
All rules of signing up are described there... ------------------------------------------------- I am envoy from nowhere in nowhere. Nobody and nothing have sent me. And though it is impossible I exist ¬ Trimutius |
Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.19 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trimutius III U can read everything about entry fee here:
http://www.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t7/signups.asp
All rules of signing up are described there...
Cheers, Trimutius III. Missed that page entirely (duh).
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:47:00 -
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Well im totaly against that 2 bilion non refundable fee as the participants will be drawn anyway so there is no need to limit alliances to handful of them. Seriously looking at same alliances all over again can become boring. They will just change ships thats all.
I would like to participate for some alliance with my team but even if we are nearly a half year in the game and we are pvper only this rule would prevent us to participate.
Second issue is the live broadcast. Will it be the ww2 voice retro style or you guys go with 21st century live stream?Couse most of hte vids on youtube are not definitely in high res and uploaded after several days WTH.
No Faction Warfare teams???????
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Ran Echelon
Caldari THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2009.06.21 18:42:00 -
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Quote: 5. Implants that give bonuses to anything other than perception, intelligence, willpower, memory, and charisma are NOT allowed.
6. All hardwirings are allowed.
So, rule 5 blocks the use of pirate implants. Is it also intended to prevent the usage of warfare mindlinks? |
Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.21 19:23:00 -
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Who do I have to service to get a Dev comment on the COSMOS issue? I am really good at it, you won't regret it.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.22 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ran Echelon
Quote: 5. Implants that give bonuses to anything other than perception, intelligence, willpower, memory, and charisma are NOT allowed.
6. All hardwirings are allowed.
So, rule 5 blocks the use of pirate implants. Is it also intended to prevent the usage of warfare mindlinks?
In the Implant group on the market there are two groups; Attribute enhancers (implant slot 1-5) and Hardwirings (implant slot 6-10). I think it would be safe to say that mindlinks which fall under the hardwiring group would be allowed under rule 6.
Perhaps rule 5 should be amended to say "5. Attribute enhancer Implants (implant slot 1-5) that give bonuses to anything other than perception, intelligence, willpower, memory, and charisma are NOT allowed."
But that is just me being a bit picky
Please resize sig to a maximum file size no greater than 24000 bytes - Mitnal |
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.06.22 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atiana Obaani Who do I have to service to get a Dev comment on the COSMOS issue? I am really good at it, you won't regret it.
I will comment on it, but the comment will only be to say that the rule is not going to change.
Originally by: TeaDaze
Perhaps rule 5 should be amended to say "5. Attribute enhancer Implants (implant slot 1-5) that give bonuses to anything other than perception, intelligence, willpower, memory, and charisma are NOT allowed."
But that is just me being a bit picky
Nope, you are right. Rewording this would be good. |
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Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.23 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Claw
Originally by: Atiana Obaani Who do I have to service to get a Dev comment on the COSMOS issue? I am really good at it, you won't regret it.
I will comment on it, but the comment will only be to say that the rule is not going to change.
Originally by: TeaDaze
Perhaps rule 5 should be amended to say "5. Attribute enhancer Implants (implant slot 1-5) that give bonuses to anything other than perception, intelligence, willpower, memory, and charisma are NOT allowed."
But that is just me being a bit picky
Nope, you are right. Rewording this would be good.
Last time I checked, nobody I know ****ed in your cheerios Claw, and explanation of why such lame modules aren't allowed is in order. Seriously. |
TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.23 13:05:00 -
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Edited by: TeaDaze on 23/06/2009 13:07:04
Originally by: Atiana Obaani Last time I checked, nobody I know ****ed in your cheerios Claw, and explanation of why such lame modules aren't allowed is in order. Seriously.
If the modules are so lame why do you want to use them?
Due to the prevalence of buffer tanked cruisers I would guess cosmos armour plates with their easier grid and similar HP to rolled tungsten would be fotm if they were allowed.
I'm sure there are other mods but that is the one example that sticks in my mind. |
Straife
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.23 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Straife Can we get an update on Black Ops Battleships please. I would assume that they are allowed and would be the same point cost as a Marauder but as they are not on the list I am taking a huge guess.
Also a clarification on the limited Logistic ship rule please. Are you limiting it to only 1 Logistics hull or only 1 Logistics with logistics mods fitted?
Still looking for a clarification on these 2 rules please. |
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.23 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Straife
Originally by: Straife Can we get an update on Black Ops Battleships please. I would assume that they are allowed and would be the same point cost as a Marauder but as they are not on the list I am taking a huge guess.
Also a clarification on the limited Logistic ship rule please. Are you limiting it to only 1 Logistics hull or only 1 Logistics with logistics mods fitted?
Still looking for a clarification on these 2 rules please.
I think the Logistics one is wrapped up pretty nicely in CCP Claw's response:
Originally by: CCP Claw Yes, so basically we're going to allow one Logistics Cruiser OR one T3 cruiser with logistics modules, once I look at it on Monday.
Or is there something specific about the above that is still unclear?
Dohl |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.23 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dohl Khrensen Or is there something specific about the above that is still unclear? Dohl
YES. Can you run mutliple logistics ships as long as only one has repair mods on it?
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.23 18:17:00 -
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Will remote Hull reps be allowed, and if so, on what ships?
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Dohl Khrensen
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.23 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Originally by: Dohl Khrensen Or is there something specific about the above that is still unclear? Dohl
YES. Can you run mutliple logistics ships as long as only one has repair mods on it
From the Rules:
Originally by: Rules Ships & Points
4. Teams may field no more than 1 logistics ship.
As it is in the 'Ships and Points' section and does not consider modules at all, it seems to me that it is talking about HULL types only. So one Logistics cruiser hull-type OR one T3 cruiser with repper-bonus subsystem. Your Scimitar could be gank fit, but it's still a Logistics cruiser.
But, for the sake of a clear rule on the Tournament Rules page, it could certainly be reworded. The lower case 'l' is a little misleading. After all, a repping Domi is a small-'l'-logistics ship. |
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CCP Soundwave
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Posted - 2009.06.24 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Olvests As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around.
We certainly could do that, but we generally try to avoid artificially injecting money into the economy.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.24 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Olvests As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around.
We certainly could do that, but we generally try to avoid artificially injecting money into the economy.
Oh realy? What about ETC? People can buy them for real money and sell them for isk and without plexes most of the players would not be able to gain such ammount of money in few minutes.
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Vault Overseer
Followers of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Olvests As for the non-refundable entry fee, the rules mention that the fee is not refunded because it "will be used as part of the prize pool". What do we think this means? Presumably CCP could just create the money if there were cash prizes or something like that this time around.
We certainly could do that, but we generally try to avoid artificially injecting money into the economy.
Oh realy? What about ETC? People can buy them for real money and sell them for isk and without plexes most of the players would not be able to gain such ammount of money in few minutes.
step 1: read step 2: think step 3: post
if you fail at thinking, dont even post. the isk the people get from selling gtcs comes from OTHER PLAYERS, not from ccp. so no artificial money injection. isk is beeing generated for: missions bountys npc buyorders insurance payouts account creation
money is beeing taken away from economy: npc sellorders (pos stuff, skillbooks etc etc) insurance payment lp-store (iirc) taxes and fees (probably the biggest amount) isk taken away by gamemasters for whatever reason ---- enemy of the Children of the Cathedral |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.24 12:59:00 -
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Im not speaking about the person who made an effort to earn that money but who buy it using RL cash to buy ETC and sell it to get isk from game. And altough it is not not direct injection money to the game within 1 h or less brand new player is able buy with 200 dollars a carrier char with another 40 bucks a carrier.
So you failed at reading and thinking. But this is leading away from discussion so i will stop it. Point that ccp is not injecting money to game is partial truth as with RL money you can buy virtual items and player who would have not those money has them because of tradings with RL game time code. |
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.06.24 13:15:00 -
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Please keep this thread to rules related discussions. |
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.06.24 14:45:00 -
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i liked it better when the fee was refunded if you showed up for all your matches
HACs cost too much, especially compared to T3 cruisers and recons (hello rook costs 2 points less than cerb?) I know you want people to use T3 cruisers more, but them having been horribly implemented on TQ is no excuse to unbalance the tournament.
Bombers cost way too little, even forgetting about bombs you can do 700 dps and some nice ewar in one of those for 5 points ;P Cruisers, faction cruisers, heavy dictors all cost too much.
Oh and why the hell does a brutix cost the same as a thorax o_O ? is anybody going to field any t1 or faction cruisers at all with these rules ? |
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