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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:19:00 -
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The new Alliance Tournament pages are now live - read all about it in How do you stop a man with SEVEN Alliance Tournaments?
We are still looking for experts to travel to Iceland and commentate on the final live weekend of the tournament. Applications are open until midnight (UTC) Sunday, 14 June, so if you haven’t applied yet, click here to go to CCP Charlie's blog, get all information about it, and submit your application!
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CCP Lemur
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:26:00 -
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I can confirm that this will be awesome! Because you guys and the guys making it are awesome. |
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2009.06.12 16:29:00 -
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:05:00 -
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Does the two-ship limit apply to tech3 ships equally? Technically a "Proteus" is just a hull, not a ship. Or will they still be limited despite the fact that they have various configurations? I.E., you can only field 2 Proteuses? ----------------------------------------------------
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ArmyOfMe
The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:26:00 -
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very nice. i like the rules with the exeption of the no pirate implants.
and why isnt boosters allowed this year either????
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BlackHorizon
Raype Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHorizon on 12/06/2009 17:35:49 Some feedback. tl;dr? Reduce the point values of cruisers with t1 resists.
Since the 2-ship limitation is already in effect, I suggest you decrease the faction cruiser point value by 1. With the current point values, they are no way viable compared with recon ships, HICs or even tier 1 BCs. This is especially true with the arrival of logistics on the scene, since faction cruisers do not have tech 2 resists, they are less than optimal for remote assistance.
Normal tech 1 cruiser point value is also too high, and I'd reduce it down to 10 or even 9. I can understand the reason for this high point value in terms of limiting cruiser spam, but tier 1 BCs are just better not only because of hit points, damage output, and tanking/resistance bonuses but because they can run one or more gang warfare links.
tl;dr reduce the point values of cruisers with t1 resists.
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Kenji Noguchi
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:43:00 -
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When will you make something like this but for individual pilots? I've been wanting to participate in something like that for years. There are player created tournaments, but players have to fight against the game mechanics to be able to organize them. |
Batolemaeus
Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:02:00 -
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Mh, haulers eh? This could be interesting...an ittyV full with cap boosters could be a nasty, nasty surprise if your setup relieas on them. |
Lena Planeswalker
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus Mh, haulers eh? This could be interesting...an ittyV full with cap boosters could be a nasty, nasty surprise if your setup relieas on them.
i suspect in such case the itty wreck will be primary, I thought of this myself but bringing and indy with cap booster you will just get primaried and wreck killed before your team has actually used any cap boosters. of course tons of cans with 5 boosters in each would make the job a lot tougher. On the other hand that could lag up the fight which is not good obviously, therefore id suggest the ccp staff take a close look at that.
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BlackHorizon
Raype Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:36:00 -
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Also, rule 7 in Place & Tactics is a bit harsh for disconnects.
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7. If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps.
How about doing what was done several years ago when Lemonde was running the tournament -- an Arazu with several warp disruptors to disruptor all ships on field, so that disconnects and client crashes wouldn't determine the outcome of a match?
Or even better, have a tournament-use-only 125km radius warp disruption bubble anchor instantly before the countdown, but after teams have warped in.
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Gerome Doutrande
Rue Morgue
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:55:00 -
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Jita Dancer
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:58:00 -
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Puh-leeeeeeeeeeze put all the matches in HD on youtube - its the only way most of us get to watch and last year's coverage was made of awesome sauce.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.06.12 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 12/06/2009 18:37:53 Also, rule 7 in Place & Tactics is a bit harsh for disconnects or client crashes (yes, Eve isn't perfect).
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7. If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps.
How about doing what was done several years ago when Lemonde was running the tournament -- an Arazu with several warp disruptors to disruptor all ships on field, so that disconnects and client crashes wouldn't determine the outcome of a match?
Or even better, have a tournament-use-only invisible 125km radius warp disruption bubble anchor instantly before the countdown, but after teams have warped in.
I have full support for this.
warpping should just not be allowed at all. |
Black Singularity
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:00:00 -
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How about points for Black Ops ships, or are they not allowed this year? :) (even tho nobody use them)
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.12 20:26:00 -
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How about not giving info out in local this year to prevent confusion. Also, every effort should be made to continue matches even with miner rule breaches. |
Atiana Obaani
Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.12 21:18:00 -
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Seriously guys, will you PLEASE remove the restriction on COSMOS modules already?
1. They aren't as wtfpwn as faction or officer modules, or even tech 2 they simply allow for some crafty fits.
2. The tournament is really the only time there is any demand whatsoever for the modules.
3. They don't cost **** in a bucket compared to deadspace or officer gear.
It is really obnoxious that these modules are disallowed, it doesn't even remotely affect cost of entry it just allows pilots to show off truly ingenious fitting skills as well as PvP prowess. I really hope you guys will look into this. |
Cpt Constantinus
Celestial Janissaries
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Posted - 2009.06.12 23:49:00 -
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The points cost for t3 cruisers is far too low. |
Rika I
Caldari Tomoe Laboratories Celestial Imperative
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Posted - 2009.06.13 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Atiana Obaani Seriously guys, will you PLEASE remove the restriction on COSMOS modules already?
1. They aren't as wtfpwn as faction or officer modules, or even tech 2 they simply allow for some crafty fits.
2. The tournament is really the only time there is any demand whatsoever for the modules.
3. They don't cost **** in a bucket compared to deadspace or officer gear.
It is really obnoxious that these modules are disallowed, it doesn't even remotely affect cost of entry it just allows pilots to show off truly ingenious fitting skills as well as PvP prowess. I really hope you guys will look into this.
QFT, most of them are worse than t2 mods... |
ForceM
Gallente POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2009.06.13 07:31:00 -
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Why do i think we will be seeing Derek with a fleet of haulers this time? :) |
Lissome Elan
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.06.13 07:31:00 -
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Quote: The points cost for t3 cruisers is far too low.
Also, I know that in Alliance Tournament IV, the FW alliances participated. I'm assuming that they will this year, but will they still have to pony up two billion isk? And will they be automatically selected from the draw, or will, say, only the Calamari and Minmatar participate? |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.06.13 10:49:00 -
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This is a pretty huge "F*%& you" to FW. Last year each FW team got a slot and this year they get absolutely nothing. With the lack of support, fixes or anything at all being done to FW this makes me sad as FW was supposed to be a huge deal but you are brushing it aside as if you just don't care about them anymore.
Also, here is wranglers second link, but it now works!
Lastly, if t1 haulers are allowed then why not allow t2 haulers or hell why not allow orcas? Might as well go full bore insane and let jump freighters in on the action while we are at it. |
Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2009.06.13 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ariane VoxDei on 13/06/2009 12:02:39
Originally by: Vaal Erit Lastly, if t1 haulers are allowed then why not allow t2 haulers or hell why not allow orcas? Might as well go full bore insane and let jump freighters in on the action while we are at it.
Lol. THIS! Hulks and orcas please, it would be legendary. Provided they will have no restrictions, apart from T2 rigs, on how you fit them.
Edit: damn forum logged me out again. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.13 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaal Erit This is a pretty huge "F*%& you" to FW. Last year each FW team got a slot and this year they get absolutely nothing. With the lack of support, fixes or anything at all being done to FW this makes me sad as FW was supposed to be a huge deal but you are brushing it aside as if you just don't care about them anymore.
I'd say that's probably because of some of the FW team-leaders(Which were selected by who could capture the most complexes) threw a fit and basically took the whole system as ransom.
Quote: Lastly, if t1 haulers are allowed then why not allow t2 haulers or hell why not allow orcas? Might as well go full bore insane and let jump freighters in on the action while we are at it.
I agree. At least allow us to bring T2 haulers. I'd say lower T1 haulers to 2 points and have T2 haulers at 3 points.
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Maeve Kell
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:08:00 -
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lolwhut? Destroyers cost less points than frigs and haulers?
This proves how serious a need for an overhaul is |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.06.13 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maeve Kell lolwhut? Destroyers cost less points than frigs and haulers?
This proves how serious a need for an overhaul is
Destroyers have historically ranked below frigates in the points scheme, but seeing them outranked by haulers is shameful. Sadly, haulers are more useful - at least they have enough grid to achieve a 20k EHP tank and still fit loads of ewar.
Some fun facts:
- There are 23,262,818 ways of choosing a mix of ship classes to make a legal team (e.g. 4x Faction Battleship, 1x T2 Battlecruiser), and even more if you consider all the different possible combinations of ships within each class.
- In particular, there are 700,950 such choices which use the full 100 points and 10 ships available.
- Of the above, some 182,096 include the single permitted logistics ship.
- Except for the example above, there is only 1 other valid class composition for a 5-ship team that takes up the full 100 points.
- There are however 3,149 other valid 5-ship teams that make up at least the minimum 75 point requirement
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.13 17:45:00 -
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Army get your backside back in the team :p
Looking foward to it, assuming we get in this time.
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ChiseFu
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Posted - 2009.06.13 23:42:00 -
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I completely agree with Atiana about the COSMOS modules. For stuff that is discounted as total trash by the majority of the community this restriction is pretty ridiculous.
It allows for odd fits, supports the people who have trained their butts off to produce COSMOS mods that frankly don't really sell, and they aren't even remotely as powerful as faction, deadspace, or officer gear. As Rika said, most of them totally suck compared to T2, but T2 is allowed.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2009.06.14 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 14/06/2009 12:24:59 carefully that's how
and I want to commentate, but lack passport and whatnot
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.06.14 12:52:00 -
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How do you stop a man with seven alliance tournaments? You beat him with eight alliance tournaments!
Couldn't resist. |
Theron Gyrow
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.06.15 12:42:00 -
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... Bombs are allowed? Hoo boy. -- Gradient forum |
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Illectroculus Defined
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Posted - 2009.06.16 16:26:00 -
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Bombs are allowed, but cloaking devices are not.... Which means bombs will never be used because the only ships that can use them have their primary defence mechanism banned. (then again, maybe there's a viable tanked bomber fit that can be remote repped for long enough to be viable, or even long enough to be 'bait') |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2009.06.18 12:55:00 -
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Very interesting...
T3 cruiser: 15 pts Heavy assault: 15 pts
I guess y'all agree that t3 ships are garbage and no more effective than t2 ;p |
5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.06.19 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 19/06/2009 22:13:43
Points system makes sense to me, destroyers wont escape dying painfully and horribly if the enemy team has even a single long range dps battleship on the field.
At least haulers can bring a cargohold full of cap charges and jettison them to their team mates.
Next alliance tournament will be crazy with T3 ships though.
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Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:34:00 -
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Hmm i think with that price of 2 bil non refundable, the number of alliances or corporations who would create an alliance to participate will decrease so we will basicaly see again all those alliances as 6 tournamens before.
Its like broadcast re-runs of Star Trek with reimagined graphic. All know who will be there only way how people die will change.
Another issue i have is the live stream. Will it be again like BBC during ww2 only trough voice and after several days on youtube? Live stream would be a damn better improvement. Couse the youtube videos are fail and not in high res.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.22 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda Hmm i think with that price of 2 bil non refundable, the number of alliances or corporations who would create an alliance to participate will decrease so we will basicaly see again all those alliances as 6 tournamens before.
I've said this before in the tournie discussion forum, but the 2bil entry fee isn't a barrier to entry for any serious team. You will spend far more in ships, mods, implants, ammo etc. You'll need at least two full teams (plus reserves) for the qualifiers (unless you plan to reuse the same setups assuming anything survives) and that is before you get to the finals weekend where you'll need a further few setups ready to go (The Sunday schedule doesn't leave much time for shopping and Jita on a Sunday isn't the best of places to be 30 mins before a match ;))
Point is that if people are fielding Faction cruisers, marauders, command ships etc you are looking at 2-4+ bil per match in ships. T3 prices are falling but they will still add even more to the cost per match than faction cruisers. At this level the 2 bil is irrelevant. There are lots of people with money to burn who could personally fund a team if they so wanted.
As to the other point, for AT6 there were many more alliances applying than got in. With the random draw for AT7 I am sure there will be new faces. Remember that only 16 teams from last time have a guaranteed slot so there is a chance that the other 48 teams will be new (ok, probability is that some of the other teams from AT6 will end up in AT7 but who can say). |
Nur AlHuda
Amarr Callide Vulpis
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Posted - 2009.06.23 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Nur AlHuda on 23/06/2009 08:59:08
Originally by: TeaDaze
Originally by: Nur AlHuda Hmm i think with that price of 2 bil non refundable, the number of alliances or corporations who would create an alliance to participate will decrease so we will basicaly see again all those alliances as 6 tournamens before.
I've said this before in the tournie discussion forum, but the 2bil entry fee isn't a barrier to entry for any serious team. You will spend far more in ships, mods, implants, ammo etc. You'll need at least two full teams (plus reserves) for the qualifiers (unless you plan to reuse the same setups assuming anything survives) and that is before you get to the finals weekend where you'll need a further few setups ready to go (The Sunday schedule doesn't leave much time for shopping and Jita on a Sunday isn't the best of places to be 30 mins before a match ;))
Point is that if people are fielding Faction cruisers, marauders, command ships etc you are looking at 2-4+ bil per match in ships. T3 prices are falling but they will still add even more to the cost per match than faction cruisers. At this level the 2 bil is irrelevant. There are lots of people with money to burn who could personally fund a team if they so wanted.
As to the other point, for AT6 there were many more alliances applying than got in. With the random draw for AT7 I am sure there will be new faces. Remember that only 16 teams from last time have a guaranteed slot so there is a chance that the other 48 teams will be new (ok, probability is that some of the other teams from AT6 will end up in AT7 but who can say).
You got point but usualy someone who has more then 2 bil and can afford to loose it either buys and sell plexes or earns money in the game besides pvp.
I do only pvp and from time to time when i realy hit my wallet i run a mission to replace some stuff. Most of the people who participate in tourney would never bring their stuff to pvp couse most likely they would risk carrier hot drop or getting ganked by enemies.
Tourney is just a show to amuse people so if you realy have money to replace t3 or no doesnt matter it should be done for fun. Personaly if there would be 1 bil refundable i would try participate with t2 stuff and implants just for the laugh. Not to expect some serious business.
Newbie players will look at tourney and will get false impressions from game that only rich mission runners or 0.0 people can do pvp when the truth is a newbie who places his skills right at start can easily kill a cruiser with his frig.
Tourney should be random as it is but the random variety should be much bigger. Thats my two cents and yes i agree with you points just wanted to explain myself.
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.06.23 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nur AlHuda You got point but usualy someone who has more then 2 bil and can afford to loose it either buys and sell plexes or earns money in the game besides pvp.
I do only pvp and from time to time when i realy hit my wallet i run a mission to replace some stuff. Most of the people who participate in tourney would never bring their stuff to pvp couse most likely they would risk carrier hot drop or getting ganked by enemies.
I agree to a point. Many of the setups for the tournie wouldn't get used in "real" PvP on TQ because they are setup for a specific purpose. In "real" PvP you have to deal with more variables - superior numbers, capital hotdrops, login traps, multiple logistics etc. That isn't to say people don't use expensive ships - they fly what they can afford to lose.
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Tourney is just a show to amuse people so if you realy have money to replace t3 or no doesnt matter it should be done for fun. Personaly if there would be 1 bil refundable i would try participate with t2 stuff and implants just for the laugh. Not to expect some serious business.
Even a T2 team is pretty expensive, multiple billions for your first two matches. It is lots of fun, but also hard work coming up with setups, tactics, practice etc.
You are quite right that it isn't real PvP and is purely for entertainment. However it is also a chance to make a name for your alliance (good or bad!) which is priceless.
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Newbie players will look at tourney and will get false impressions from game that only rich mission runners or 0.0 people can do pvp when the truth is a newbie who places his skills right at start can easily kill a cruiser with his frig.
I agree 100% that a well flown frigate can take down far bigger prey solo.
The tournie does encourage people to try eve but it also encourages people who might not PvP to try it out. This is a win for everybody - more players means eve keeps growing, more PvPers means more targets and leads to more ship replacements to keep the industrial and trading people going.
Originally by: Nur AlHuda
Tourney should be random as it is but the random variety should be much bigger. Thats my two cents and yes i agree with you points just wanted to explain myself.
You have been clear and I understand your position |
Sergis
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.27 19:23:00 -
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Quote: 64 Alliances will be allowed entry to Alliance Tournament VI. The tournament is broken into two stages û Qualifying and Finals.
A slightly modified Swiss System tournament system will be used for qualifying rounds, with a single elimination tournament occurring on the final weekend.
"Alliance Tournament VI" ----> "Alliance Tournament VII"
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Dodgy Past
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Very interesting...
T3 cruiser: 15 pts Heavy assault: 15 pts
I guess y'all agree that t3 ships are garbage and no more effective than t2 ;p
There will be a very interesting dynamic caused by the associated skill losses, lose a ship and you can't be at all V for the next match.
Will that mean pilots only making it into 1 match or saving them for the later rounds?
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Rhys Onasi
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Posted - 2009.07.28 08:05:00 -
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So... will the new faction drones be allowed?
They aren't listed as illegal, but they aren't out yet. But they will be for the tournament!
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