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Unius Elgen
Jihadswarm.
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Posted - 2012.05.16 14:33:00 -
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I've been playing another mmo very closely based off eve called Perpetuum. Now its quite clear the 11 or so devs for that game were inspired by eve as nearly the entire game is like this only on the ground. One improvement i've seen though in that game is the skill system. You accrue 1 point every minute just for having an active account and can spend those points whenever you want on your skills.
The skill system in eve is nice but i'd like a longer term skill queu for times when I'm away from town for more than 24 hours. I deploy at times for up to 5 months and obviously cant log in down range and put up my next skill so i'm basically going to lose out on 5 months of skills. In the game I mentioned above that problem wouldnt exist as I would have 5 months of skills accrued when i get back to spend.
I'm not suggesting you change your system, just add longer queu times. Like up to a month at a time would be awesome. |
Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:14:00 -
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Hey Unius,
The reason that they have it like this is to actually require SOME interaction to play the game. Yes, skills train while you are offline and this is good. However, once you get to some higher tier skills you will find that they will take quite a long time to finish. I sympathize with you being deployed but with skills taking up to a month it really shouldn't be a large problem down the road. Besides, I am sure that you can have your own laptop and have access to internet where ever you will be. Do you really think that it is a lot to ask to log in for 5 minutes to set a new skill each month? We had to fight pretty hard to get a 24 hour skill queue and I don't think CCP will indulge the crowd any more than that
Vexx |
Tazarak theDeceiver
Hooded Underworld Guys Northern Associates.
22
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:44:00 -
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I wish we could set our queue via Evemon or something, which I can get to while at work. |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
257
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:37:00 -
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Tazarak theDeceiver wrote:I wish we could set our queue via Evemon or something, which I can get to while at work.
^this. 24 hour queue is fine but it should be adjustable via evegate so that all you need in internet. |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
514
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Posted - 2012.05.16 20:39:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Tazarak theDeceiver wrote:I wish we could set our queue via Evemon or something, which I can get to while at work. ^this. 24 hour queue is fine but it should be adjustable via evegate so that all you need in internet. It would be easy to do using the new CREST interface if only CCP enabled it. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
239
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Posted - 2012.05.17 02:02:00 -
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Immortis Vexx wrote:Hey Unius, The reason that they have it like this is to actually require SOME interaction to play the game. Yes, skills train while you are offline and this is good. However, once you get to some higher tier skills you will find that they will take quite a long time to finish. I sympathize with you being deployed but with skills taking up to a month it really shouldn't be a large problem down the road. Besides, I am sure that you can have your own laptop and have access to internet where ever you will be. Do you really think that it is a lot to ask to log in for 5 minutes to set a new skill each month? We had to fight pretty hard to get a 24 hour skill queue and I don't think CCP will indulge the crowd any more than that Vexx Some EVE players don't even have to log in (much, if at all) to play the game, and making skill queues longer or shorter won't change that. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
yumike
Eve of Madness
54
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Posted - 2012.05.17 02:33:00 -
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Maybe keep the same functionality as now (24hours) but then add (if its above 24hours) it lets you append a single skill?
Quote:Some EVE players don't even have to log in (much, if at all) to play the game, and making skill queues longer or shorter won't change that.
This is true, Judging by my login information i've logged in to one of my accounts 5 times this year... |
Jack Miton
Bite Me inc Exhale.
257
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Posted - 2012.05.17 03:30:00 -
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Why would CCP care if people log in? They get the same amount of money either way... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6850
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Posted - 2012.05.17 05:05:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:Why would CCP care if people log in? They get the same amount of money either way... Because people logged in is what creates the content of the game.
Also, the skill queue is there to make sure you don't have to get up at 3am to change skills or to say on constantly to switch between umpty-eleven 5-minute skills. It's not there to make you not log in for months on end. Unless the Earth changes to have a 36h rotational cycle, there's very little reason to change the queue. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Revman Zim
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.17 05:47:00 -
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I like the current skill queue. Much improved over the previous "set your alarm clock" days.
I am active duty Navy and am currently deployed, so I understand the "challenges" of keeping your skills going. I have an understanding wife and kids that have been helping me out, but I usually have a port call where I can log on and put in a long skill.
Bottom line, I don't think it needs to be changed. You need to log into the game to change skills. This game would not be much of a game without PLAYERS. |
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knulla
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.05.17 06:54:00 -
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I support this, I agree with CCP not allowing people to unsub and train skills at the same time but if you pay for it... what is the point? need to interact with the game? I am, I would hardly call changing skills to be the big part of eve gameplay. |
Vito Antonio
State War Academy Caldari State
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:54:00 -
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I'd like a 3 month long training queue. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.18 01:16:00 -
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Immortis Vexx wrote:Hey Unius,
The reason that they have it like this is to actually require SOME interaction to play the game.
Vexx
What is this crazy talk? I want the game to play itself. I shouldn't have to actually log on to the game. In fact I think every new player should start with all skills at level 5. That way I won't have to set up all this training. |
Aggressive Nutmeg
239
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Posted - 2012.05.18 02:05:00 -
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I haven't played all week. Been too busy (and too drunk). Probably won't play next week either due to a number of engagements.
And I'm travelling interstate next month and won't have access to the Eve client. I'll need to make sure I put a couple of LOOONG skills in my queues to avoid losing time. Why isn't there an Android app for that?
It's annoying having to switch on the PC and log in to Eve just to add skills. Why can't I queue them up for a month or six? Even extending the queue by only a week would probably solve all of my problems.
Forcing players to regularly turn on PC, log in to Eve, add skills, log out is not creating content. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.05.18 05:30:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Forcing players to regularly turn on PC, log in to Eve, add skills, log out is not creating content. It is when the player logs in, sees an op or a roam starting, and decides to join in on it. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
244
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Posted - 2012.05.18 05:46:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:Forcing players to regularly turn on PC, log in to Eve, add skills, log out is not creating content. It is when the player logs in, sees an op or a roam starting, and decides to join in on it. Some days I don't log in unless I get a jabber alert for an op. Don't need to log in for that. Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.18 12:46:00 -
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In all seriousness the way it's set up now is fine. By making the skill queue longer or allowing skills to be set without logging on is a bad idea. If you're going on vacation there are skills that last from two weeks to over a month so this is not an issue. As for deployments I feel that pain because I deploy. Just have someone you trust set your training. Other than that if you don't want to log in once in a while for five minutes to set training why would you pay for Eve when you're not even playing the game. The one group that I would see this being popular with is groups that create multiple accounts to sell characters. I'm not talking about the guy who has five pilots, decides it's too much to handle then sells one for ISK. I mean people who sell accounts for real money. |
Grohl Dovah
Corbomite Enterprises.
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Posted - 2012.05.18 19:47:00 -
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Aggressive Nutmeg wrote:I haven't played all week. Been too busy (and too drunk). Probably won't play next week either due to a number of engagements.
And I'm travelling interstate next month and won't have access to the Eve client. I'll need to make sure I put a couple of LOOONG skills in my queues to avoid losing time. Why isn't there an Android app for that?
It's annoying having to switch on the PC and log in to Eve just to add skills. Why can't I queue them up for a month or six? Even extending the queue by only a week would probably solve all of my problems.
Forcing players to regularly turn on PC, log in to Eve, add skills, log out is not creating content.
Stop being lazy. It sounds like you want to play a game without actually playing it. |
Canabi
Frontier Explorer's League Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.05.19 05:25:00 -
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Maybe set it to where you can add as many skills as you want to up to 24 hours (eg: adding industry processing skills to train up to level 2), and once the skill queue passes that 24 hour mark, you can add a set amount of skills, maybe like 2 or 3 skills after the 24 hour mark. On my alt, I did just that with the industry skills, and then had about 30 minutes at the end of the queue and added Hemorphite Processing level 4. After that I could add, say, 2 more skills to total up to 2 months of training time. You could only add 2 skills, even if they last a total of 3 weeks between them, or if they total 2 months. That might alleviate some problems for people like Tippia.
TL/DR: Keep current system, give ability to add set number of skills past 24 mark, totaling up to 2 months training time. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:31:00 -
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In the not too distant past there was no skill que so be happy with what you have. If you know you are going to be unable to log on for awhile you put a long skill at the end of your que. If you are unable to do that, well that's your fault.
Edit: I have my smartphone set up to remote access my desktop. If I need to swap a skill I can (slowly) do it via my android phone. You can always do that. |
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Jayem See
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:02:00 -
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Gosh yes. It's very annoying to have to log into a game in order to impact it.
I wish I too could do my RL job without having to manage the simple task of turning up.
What people are asking would destroy Eve in my humble opinion - 300k people updating their training from their Androids and then selling them on the Character Bazarre when they hit a certain SP level. All the while never actually creating any content in the game that we play.
No thanks. Aaaaaaand relax. |
Canabi
Frontier Explorer's League Rebel Alliance of New Eden
2
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:41:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:Gosh yes. It's very annoying to have to log into a game in order to impact it.
I wish I too could do my RL job without having to manage the simple task of turning up.
What people are asking would destroy Eve in my humble opinion - 300k people updating their training from their Androids and then selling them on the Character Bazarre when they hit a certain SP level. All the while never actually creating any content in the game that we play.
No thanks.
DOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!! You're as crazy as that crazy guy on the History Channel. |
Jayem See
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:43:00 -
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Canabi wrote:Jayem See wrote:Gosh yes. It's very annoying to have to log into a game in order to impact it.
I wish I too could do my RL job without having to manage the simple task of turning up.
What people are asking would destroy Eve in my humble opinion - 300k people updating their training from their Androids and then selling them on the Character Bazarre when they hit a certain SP level. All the while never actually creating any content in the game that we play.
No thanks. DOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!!!!! You're as crazy as that crazy guy on the History Channel.
Yeah sorry - no doom intended. Just don't see any need to change this.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
Katran Luftschreck
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:16:00 -
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Jayem See wrote:I wish I too could do my RL job without having to manage the simple task of turning up.
Then do so.
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Jayem See
Yulai Guard 1st Fleet Yulai Federation
40
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:37:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Jayem See wrote:I wish I too could do my RL job without having to manage the simple task of turning up. Then do so.
Gosh I almost fell off my chair laughing at that one.
Still - congrats on being able to make a link.
Should you follow any of those dubious links - the company that sucke....sorry employs you., might expect you to do something occasionally. Other than tap your mobile in between browsing your friends facebook profiles so you can check if their wives have any decent pics in bikinis.
Aaaaaaand relax. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.05.22 22:45:00 -
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I will quote my favorite line from CCP on this topic "Working as intended" |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.22 23:59:00 -
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I remember when you had to spend a month training learning skills AND be online to gain SP....
That being said, with all the useless "upgrades" CCP makes to the game *cough cough new inventory cough* I don't see why they don't spend some time making an in game "Evemon" that would automatically train the skills you have set up. Yes I could see where this would lead some people to do the whole passive play thing, but who the heck really cares about that? It isn't going to effect the game negatively in any significant way, but would make it much easier for people to keep a skill queue going while gone for extended periods of time. There are a lot of Military people who play this game and are gone (like the OP) for months and months on end. Why shouldn't they be able to set a skill planner that would let them progress while out of the country?
Makes no sense. |
Black Rico
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.05.23 16:25:00 -
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Immortis Vexx wrote:Hey Unius,
I sympathize with you being deployed but with skills taking up to a month it really shouldn't be a large problem down the road. Besides, I am sure that you can have your own laptop and have access to internet where ever you will be. Do you really think that it is a lot to ask to log in for 5 minutes to set a new skill each month?
Vexx
You don't seem to fully understand what a deployment is. I enjoy eve, started a while back, got deployed, and went 15 months without being able to login. Tell you what, when you figure out how to log in to eve from a bombed out abandoned house in downtown Baghdad where two of the walls in the room you are living in are comprised of sandbags, you let me know. I did get about 30 minutes, once every two weeks at a FOB to use a computer, but it didn't have eve installed, and I felt the time was more wisely spent talking to my loved ones then queuing a skill in a video game. As for longer queue times, can't say whether they'd be nice or catastrophic, but to say you sympathize with a deployment and then follow it up with that drivel, **** off man :) |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.05.25 16:37:00 -
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Black Rico wrote:Immortis Vexx wrote:Hey Unius,
I sympathize with you being deployed but with skills taking up to a month it really shouldn't be a large problem down the road. Besides, I am sure that you can have your own laptop and have access to internet where ever you will be. Do you really think that it is a lot to ask to log in for 5 minutes to set a new skill each month?
Vexx You don't seem to fully understand what a deployment is. I enjoy eve, started a while back, got deployed, and went 15 months without being able to login. Tell you what, when you figure out how to log in to eve from a bombed out abandoned house in downtown Baghdad where two of the walls in the room you are living in are comprised of sandbags, you let me know. I did get about 30 minutes, once every two weeks at a FOB to use a computer, but it didn't have eve installed, and I felt the time was more wisely spent talking to my loved ones then queuing a skill in a video game. As for longer queue times, can't say whether they'd be nice or catastrophic, but to say you sympathize with a deployment and then follow it up with that drivel, **** off man :)
To Rico,
I like the last part of your comment :)
I've also been deployed. With the last time I was lucky enough to be based out of a FOB that had internet access. That is whenever it worked.... If this is not the case all you have to do is get someone you trust to set skills for you. Most people have family or friends that can do that. Even if they have no clue about the game all you have to do is send an email explaining how to add a skill and a list of the skills you want for the time you will be deployed. Either that write a list of shills and show the person how before you deploy. That might be the smarter option.
As for the general topic of longer skill queue...
People will whine and complain no matter what you give them. If you made the skill queue six months people would complain that it wasn't a year. Ff you give them a year they will want two years. It's human nature not to be happy with what you have. Unfortunately games have to have limits in order to work. At least in eve you can advance your character by just logging on for a few minutes to set a skill. Lots of games require you to actually play the game to advance... Isn't that SCARY! |
TigerXtrm
Cadre Assault Force Initiative Mercenaries
16
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Posted - 2012.05.26 13:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jack Miton wrote:Why would CCP care if people log in? They get the same amount of money either way... Because people logged in is what creates the content of the game. Also, the skill queue is there to make sure you don't have to get up at 3am to change skills or to say on constantly to switch between umpty-eleven 5-minute skills. It's not there to make you not log in for months on end. Unless the Earth changes to have a 36h rotational cycle, there's very little reason to change the queue.
People logging in to just change their skills does not generate any content in-game whatsoever, but I still think the skill queue is fine as it is. Hell, it was fine before the queue and CCP just threw us a bone on this one. Expanding it even more, making it longer or being able to change skills with Eve Gate is not needed.
If you are in situation where you won't have access to your Eve client for a long period of time, set a skill that takes a long time. Any char older than a few months has at least 2 skills that take 30 days to train, veterans have skills that take 2 or 3 months to train.
Newbies are so excited about the game they log in daily, but even then you can have a 30 day skill in a matter of days. Eve is a game that is all about planning ahead, looking after yourself because no-one else is going to do it for you. Why shouldn't that apply to the skill queue? |
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