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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:43:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. PLEX makes exactly zero ISK enter the game (in fact, it makes some leave) and the flood of ISK has no impact on the freedom of the market.
Quote:In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. GǪand as luck would have it, such actions are entirely possible by those who wish to engage in them. The fact that no-one is indicates that the market scarcity isn't particularly painful yet. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:45:00 -
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It's too bad CCP let it get to the point where they had to drastically rebalance so many economic factors, but it had to be done. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:49:00 -
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Yet again, people who do not understand a thing here.
You do not understand that CCP want Eve to be player driven, wether you like it or not that is how Eve is and will stay. I fyou want to make Eve better all you need to do is organise yourselves as well as your enemy.
You do not understand the CFC or GSF, why would they want to destroy a game they play? What you do not see is that the CFC actually care more about this game than you do.
You do not understand that if CCP do step in, they kill Eve. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Nate Guralman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.16 16:49:00 -
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I think that you (the OP) significantly over-estimate the impact that the Goons have on the game. I suspect you may be suffering from EVE Online Forum Bias Syndrome (or what I like to call EOF-BS).
Just like in the real world, you have two types of information: (1) Sensationalized information in the form of stories and anecdotes and (2) the truth. Too much consumption of (1) leads to EOF-BS. A steady diet of (2) can help cure it.
So, to help you get over EOF-BS, I would like to present two things to you:
The first is the dev blog that followed the Burn Jita event. In it, the author clearly states that they LOVE events like Burn Jita. That means that CCP's response that you're looking for is to help players create MORE of these, and not stop it in anyway.
The second is CCP Diagora's Twitter feed. In it, he presents fascinating statistics from the world of EVE. EVE isn't hemorraging players, as you've stated. In fact, it's the opposite. Here's one of his tweets:
Quote:124,106 characters created in April, of which 13,298 have been deleted - 110,808 remaining.
I'm sure this include alts that were created by existing players, but I'm also pretty sure that this includes characters from new accounts.
As for your concern about ore prices staying the same while everything else is going up, it's because people who were stockpiling minerals prior to the Escalation patch started selling those minerals on the market. How do I know? Again, we turn to CCP Diagora:
Quote:On April 30th, there was an average of 7,113,420 units of Tritanium per active account (counting tritanium on active accounts only).
Quote:As of Sunday 13th May, there was an average of 6,797,379 units of Tritanium per active account.
If we assume there are 350,000 active accounts (I read that somewhere, no reference sorry), that means over 114 Billion units of Tritanium have entered the market in the past few weeks. That's a lot. And that's just Tritanium. As those stockpiles start being reabsorbed in the market, overall supply will go down and demand will continue as people want to replace their ships, so mineral prices will start climbing again.
So what am I getting at with all this? Goons aren't affecting EVE nearly as much as you think it is, people aren't leaving EVE in mass numbers as you suggest, the prices aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be, and CCP isn't going to do much, other than continue monitoring player activities. They'll only step in if things get really bad. And what we've seen lately isn't bad. In fact, it's really good, IMHO. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:11:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ban Bindy wrote:Free market? Not so much, really. A real free market includes the ability of the market to influence conditions like the laws and regulations. Floods of isk entering the game through plex means the market is not really free. In a free market the scarcity of minerals would lead to action against the factors that limit the market. Laws and action against ganking, for one. You might want to revise your definition of "free market". No matter the claims, the United States does not operate under a free market; there is plenty of regulation and governmental control to go around. EVE has no barrier for entry into the marketplace. Also, what Micheal Dietrich said. E: Ninja'd.
Indeed if you want to find a free market you DON'T trade in the USA. Actually many like me who traded in the RL USA markets received letters from their brokers asking permission to move our accounts the hell away from the USA, and we all accepted.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
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Posted - 2012.05.16 17:14:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Indeed if you want to find a free market you DON'T trade in the USA. Actually many like me who traded in the RL USA markets received letters from their brokers asking permission to move our accounts the hell away from the USA, and we all accepted. Just FYI: I read what he posted and it sound like the U.S., so please excuse the (maybe) cryptic RL comparison.
Also, I live in the U.S. and every time I hear some dipshit go on about the free market here, I cringe. +1 in local |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:45:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:
To the poster that had a couple of friends try EVE and quit, this has happened to me as well... in nearly every game I like and have recommended to someone. This is not unique to EVE, people have different tastes. Hulkageddon has little, if anything to do with it. New players are not even the main target of Hulkaggedon.
If they had been careless, gotten blown up by rats or can flipped, and quit saying it was stupid to not be able to freely do industry in High Sec I must assume you would be participating in a thread dedicated to the evils of can flippers and NPC spawns in general.
Aah, I would be the poster mentioned. They had that happen to them, but I did teach them starting industry. Can flips were recognized and easily avoided. I for one don't mind these tactics. That is what I consider the good part of the harshness of eve. Ninja salvagers, loot thieves, freighter ganks all of that. Also, yes eve is going. I was a supporter of burn Jita, awesome event, shook thinks up, bit of rawr and then gone.
Also the main target of hulkageddon, the civiebooster afk hulks that are full cargo expanders and mining upgrades. Cool, that is awesome, I taught other people how to safely and effectively mine. Use of secure cans, somebody in hauler (usually I volunteered for this when they wanted to do group mining) and the like. In the situation I mentioned, it was one had just gotten into a retriever, which fitting was very limited. Duration is the main thing I think, runs long that honest players get burned out. Sure eve is growing, but imagine the rate it would be growing with a better rep as a harsh universe, not a griefer one was all. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.16 18:50:00 -
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Jessica Sweetwater wrote:So like many i have been following this high sec Jihad, even taking part myself. My question to CCP is what is your responce?
High Sec mining drops by half T1 Modules/Ships price has skyrocketed Ore Prices have bascially not gone anywhere Empire systems are becoming empty in some areas
Are you going to buff missions? To compensate for the high isk to buy a ship/fit it
Unless you're doing it horribly wrong, ship and fittings for missions should be a once off cost. |
Tom Siddhartha
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:10:00 -
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"edge of your seat reading!"
"I couldn't put it down!" |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
354
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:13:00 -
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Jessica Sweetwater wrote: Are you going to buff missions? To compensate for the high isk to buy a ship/fit it
I see a 10% cut in bounties incoming soon, though I doubt that's the answer you are looking for This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:17:00 -
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Mineral prices have come down and all the ships I build are selling for less. |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:19:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Jessica Sweetwater wrote:So like many i have been following this high sec Jihad, even taking part myself. My question to CCP is what is your responce?
High Sec mining drops by half T1 Modules/Ships price has skyrocketed Ore Prices have bascially not gone anywhere Empire systems are becoming empty in some areas
Are you going to buff missions? To compensate for the high isk to buy a ship/fit it
Unless you're doing it horribly wrong, ship and fittings for missions should be a once off cost.
Some mission runners are kind of like Janet Jackson, they need a new ship each time they undock. |
Nate Guralman
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.16 19:27:00 -
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Tom Siddhartha wrote:"edge of your seat reading!"
"I couldn't put it down!"
You sir, win at sarcasm. Keep it up. |
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