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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.13 00:58:00 -
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Im unsure if anyone is aware of this, well I am becuase it just happened to me earlier today.
Unanchoring my research POS for an upcoming war dec and the WT happens to warp in and wait for the remainder of the 4 minutes and then manages to pinch it before me (Becuase he had a friend in an MWD osprey to ram me off the damn thing).
Thats not the issue, the issue is the fact he never got flagged to me or any of my corpies for what I would say was, stealing, just like flippin' someones can.
I think this needs to be fixed and that it counts as an act of aggression towards the holder of whichever it is he is unanchoring.
(As far as I know, pinching unanchored GSC flags the theif, so why isent this the same?) |
Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.13 00:59:00 -
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oh and yeah, support my own thingie
(And yes i did get owned :D) |
Bunyip
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.06.13 01:26:00 -
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Technically, the items were in open space and unanchored, so while what he did was repugnant, it wasn't stealing. It's like leaving drones out, as you should've had enough time to grab the item before being bumped.
Next time, if you see somebody like that hovering off your port bow waiting for the right opportunity, have the option open quick or just stop the unanchoring and wait for a better time.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.06.13 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Technically, the items were in open space and unanchored, so while what he did was repugnant, it wasn't stealing. It's like leaving drones out, as you should've had enough time to grab the item before being bumped.
Next time, if you see somebody like that hovering off your port bow waiting for the right opportunity, have the option open quick or just stop the unanchoring and wait for a better time.
Pretty much that.
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Verys
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.13 11:44:00 -
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I't very easy not to get your pos stolen:
1. Take a cloaked ship to not draw attention. 2. Take that cloaked ship and got sit at about 160 km from the unachoring pos. 3. When the timer is round at about 1 min you align and warp when there is about 45 seconds on the clock. 4. You got your pos and you win the pos unachoring game.
As long as you play it smart you won't have any problems, especially in a crowded system.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.13 12:31:00 -
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So jetting something that is lets just say 800mil, someone grabs it and doesent get flagged, thats not an issue? you guys think its just free becuae its lying out in space?
when you right click and show info it even tells you who and what corp it belongs to.
And even if i do warp in cloaky and land there 3 seconds before it finishes, its still going to have to be a speed game which is just unfair (Yes life is unfair, dont give me that crap)
Its like dropping money in the street, you dont have to throw urself to the floor ASAP before someone else grabs it, and if they did its stealin' so i'd knock him out
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.13 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo5771 So jetting something that is lets just say 800mil, someone grabs it and doesent get flagged, thats not an issue? you guys think its just free becuae its lying out in space?
when you right click and show info it even tells you who and what corp it belongs to.
And even if i do warp in cloaky and land there 3 seconds before it finishes, its still going to have to be a speed game which is just unfair (Yes life is unfair, dont give me that crap)
Its like dropping money in the street, you dont have to throw urself to the floor ASAP before someone else grabs it, and if they did its stealin' so i'd knock him out
EVE is a pretty harsh place.... if your going to take equipment down... you best have backup. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM! |
Verys
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Verys on 13/06/2009 15:41:31
Originally by: Drake Draconis EVE is a pretty harsh place.... if your going to take equipment down... you best have backup.
The problem though is that you can't kill anyone if they scoop up your pos unless your in low-sec. Which seems silly as when you shoot at somebody who stole a pos from your corporation you get concord on your ass for doing so and stealing loot which is a much more petty crime is apparently worth a flag. So bringing backup in high-sec other than to bump the other people off the pos is not going to happen.
On the other hand it's your own responsibility and you should be paying attention when un-anchoring a pos.
Could do with a temporarily flag for high-sec so repercussion can be taken but that can be debated. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre
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Posted - 2009.06.13 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Verys Edited by: Verys on 13/06/2009 15:41:31
Originally by: Drake Draconis EVE is a pretty harsh place.... if your going to take equipment down... you best have backup.
The problem though is that you can't kill anyone if they scoop up your pos unless your in low-sec. Which seems silly as when you shoot at somebody who stole a pos from your corporation you get concord on your ass for doing so and stealing loot which is a much more petty crime is apparently worth a flag. So bringing backup in high-sec other than to bump the other people off the pos is not going to happen.
On the other hand it's your own responsibility and you should be paying attention when un-anchoring a pos.
Could do with a temporarily flag for high-sec so repercussion can be taken but that can be debated.
Yeah... I'm surprised that in high sec you don't get aggro for the guy stealing your equipment.
If anything at a minimum you should be able to return fire for said action much like a can tipper.
And for those who would go ballistic over such a concept... think before you speak please. Multi-million ISK object get's swiped is not your typical scenario for baiting. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= Dependable, Honorable, Intelligent, No-nonsense Vote Herschel Yamamoto for CSM! |
Agent Known
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2009.06.13 19:20:00 -
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Ever try keeping the tower online while unanchoring stuff around it? This way you only risk losing the tower itself if someone tries to do this...and just cancel the unanchoring if someone sits close to you to try and scoop it.
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:13:00 -
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Stealing an unanchored GSC itself doesn't flag you either and I think it follows the same mechanic. In my own opinion both actions should flag the person stealing.
Lacking a fix from CCP, I think the best thing for the defender to do is to set the WT's corp to hostile and check to see if any are in system. If so then don't unanchor the POS and just remove all the modules. They could have an alt not in their corp but it's less likely that the alt has a recon ship warping around cloaked to check your unanchoring timer. Besides, all the expensive stuff is inside the shields anyway, losing a cruise missile launcher isn't a big deal. Then you can log off and start the process later or at worst just leave the tower there.
Most POS killers in high sec are not going to spend a good while shooting an empty POS, no real gain past watching it blow up. The only people you really have to worry about are a group of people hired to hurt the PvE alt of your pirating character for some past transgression. Then they may blow up your POS tower just to meet the contract.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known Ever try keeping the tower online while unanchoring stuff around it? This way you only risk losing the tower itself if someone tries to do this...and just cancel the unanchoring if someone sits close to you to try and scoop it.
as far as i am aware, you cant cancel something that being put online, offline, anchored or unanchored. So technically, if someone happens to warp in and you just happen to have click the unanchor button, all you have to do is sit there and wait for the guy with the fastest reaction to grab it, which isent fair, you dont pay for a cup of coffee, and when he puts it on the desk you gotta swipe it before the homeless guy slabberin over your shoulder does (yeah i know i use a lot of rl situations to prove my pointinfact tht one might depends on where you live lol)
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Kuroi Hoshi Stealing an unanchored GSC itself doesn't flag you either and I think it follows the same mechanic. In my own opinion both actions should flag the person stealing.
Lacking a fix from CCP, I think the best thing for the defender to do is to set the WT's corp to hostile and check to see if any are in system. If so then don't unanchor the POS and just remove all the modules. They could have an alt not in their corp but it's less likely that the alt has a recon ship warping around cloaked to check your unanchoring timer. Besides, all the expensive stuff is inside the shields anyway, losing a cruise missile launcher isn't a big deal. Then you can log off and start the process later or at worst just leave the tower there.
Most POS killers in high sec are not going to spend a good while shooting an empty POS, no real gain past watching it blow up. The only people you really have to worry about are a group of people hired to hurt the PvE alt of your pirating character for some past transgression. Then they may blow up your POS tower just to meet the contract.
And this happens to be a member of the corp who did such a horrible thing , but hey no hard feelings bro, not makin the post out of anger, just tryin to see if anyone else agree's of it being an issue and that and that it counts as an act of aggression, anc cheers for the hint that you had a cloaky scout watchin me
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:50:00 -
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No worries, didn't take it that way, and I was serious in my agreement with your issue on game mechanics.
While it is possible to calculate and assume that within a few seconds of the force field going down that the timer had started, yeah, I was watching you with a cloaked ship so I could know for sure.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.14 23:58:00 -
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ideal loved the tactic, and i know who payed you to do such a thing.......
but yes people, please keep your views coming |
Sole Trader
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Posted - 2009.06.15 07:51:00 -
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I assume you would want the flagging rules to extend to POS modules as well ? With what you are proposing, would the person scooping the item be flagged to the corp that unanchored the module or the original owner of the module ? (as all modules are unanchorable by 'anyone' upon the destruction of a POS).
Would make a few High Sec POS raiding corporations very happy if they could scramble and destroy a 'neutral' ninja scooping hauler making off with their spoils of war.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2009.06.15 10:32:00 -
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Im pretty sure only the peson who launched it can anchor/unacnchor, unless someone else scoops it and then relaunches, which changes ownership.
But need that veryfied ;)
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Kuroi Hoshi
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.15 13:30:00 -
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I'm actually going to say that stealing an unanchored POS module of any sort should flag you to the original owner and not the person that unanchored it. Doesn't help me any but I think it makes sense.
Gibbo: I think what the above poster was talking about is if you blow up the control tower anyone can unanchor the labs.
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Sole Trader
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Posted - 2009.06.15 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kuroi Hoshi I'm actually going to say that stealing an unanchored POS module of any sort should flag you to the original owner and not the person that unanchored it. Doesn't help me any but I think it makes sense.
Gibbo: I think what the above poster was talking about is if you blow up the control tower anyone can unanchor the labs.
Pretty much Kuroi and i actually do agree.
@ Gibbo: I dont mean or want to derail your proposal, but since you're asking for POS theft flagging, i figured it may as well be propagated to the POS modules themselves (in the advent of POS destruction) which can be worth almost, if not more than the cost of the POS itself :D. |
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