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Mark Androcius
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:45:00 -
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A member of my corporation turned out to be a "spy" ( i guess a little more screening is in order but ok :P )
However, the main thing i'm making this post, is because of a bug i had. I was not able to expell the member from the corp, because he was out in space. Then when one of my mates ganked and podded him ( and he was in station from that point on ) i still couldn't expell him, still relaying me the same message, that i could not expell the member, because he was out in space ( which he clearly wasn't at that point )
After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space ( and CONCORD doesn't help out, when corp members attack eachother ).
So would i be right in demanding a new Orca from CCP, seeing as we lost ot because of a bug?
Cheers If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Metal Icarus
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
176
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:49:00 -
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Cease this thread and send in a petition.
In fact, you should have done that first if haven't done it already. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
640
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:50:00 -
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Had a similar thing a few days back, guy couldnt be kicked because he was in space, only he wasnt, he was docked. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
503
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:51:00 -
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Not sure if you being unable to kick a member due to a bug will be grounds, did you choose to undock the Orca while you know you had an awoxer in corp? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
504
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:53:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Cease this thread and send in a petition.
In fact, you should have done that first if haven't done it already.
Op, don't waste time here in these forums for this issue.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:53:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Cease this thread and send in a petition.
In fact, you should have done that first if haven't done it already.
Did that yesterday :) If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:54:00 -
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Serge Bastana wrote:Not sure if you being unable to kick a member due to a bug will be grounds, did you choose to undock the Orca while you know you had an awoxer in corp?
The Orca was piloted by someone who was unaware of the incident at the time. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 14:56:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Metal Icarus wrote:Cease this thread and send in a petition.
In fact, you should have done that first if haven't done it already. Op, don't waste time here in these forums for this issue.
The only reason i posted it here, is because i wanted to know if i was right in demanding a new Orca ( like, what is your opinion on this? ), strange that most of you don't see that question.
If i had lost an Orca in any normal way and i had just been to stupid to expell the member, then it would be fine of course, but this was out of my hands and so that's why i would like to know if this demand was/is reasonable? If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
bongsmoke
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:03:00 -
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Your doing it wrong, you should ask for a tengu and 500million for the app to join your corp and turn'em down. <-Goonswarms advice
Honestly, I feel for ya, hope the GM's get it fixed for ya. Lately in the past year, the GM's have actually been very helpful, unlike years ago when they just send a smart email telling ya tough luck a week or two later.
I sent in 4 petitions in the past year, 3 were addressed within 10 minutes or less, 4th took 2 days. Time aside, they did help in each case and made it right for me.
Best luck to you. |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:04:00 -
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It's a feature, not a bug. |
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Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:06:00 -
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Karadion Kohlar wrote:It's a feature, not a bug.
When the char is actually in space, yes, but not when the char is in fact in a station, which he was when i tried it over and over and over.
Only just managed to kick him out right after todays reset ( which only took a surprising 6 minuts, which was damn nice ) If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Karadion Kohlar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:15:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Karadion Kohlar wrote:It's a feature, not a bug. When the char is actually in space, yes, but not when the char is in fact in a station, which he was when i tried it over and over and over. Only just managed to kick him out right after todays reset ( which only took a surprising 6 minuts, which was damn nice ) It's a feature, not a bug. |
non judgement
Without Fear Flying Burning Ships Alliance
779
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:23:00 -
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I thought they made it so you could kick people from your corp when they were in space. I'm pretty sure that it was a problem that they had before but it was meant to be fixed? |
Wistar
Defiance LLC
0
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Posted - 2012.05.17 15:29:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:
After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space
Cheers
Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him? |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:03:00 -
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Wistar wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:
After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space
Cheers
Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him?
Yes, the spy scrammbled it and shot it and CONCORD didn't respond, because he was a corp member, which i couldn't kick before it happened, because of the bug. If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1143
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:14:00 -
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welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod to be docked
no bug, working as designed The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Ohanka
The Lone Patrol Tactical Narcotics Team
38
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:16:00 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:Cease this thread and send in a petition.
In fact, you should have done that first if haven't done it already.
you are wrong, you are always wrong. Don't you tire of being wrong? |
gfldex
506
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:28:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:The Orca was piloted by someone who was unaware of the incident at the time.
Players not on coms are to be considered as dead. When someone burns down your sandcastle, bring sausages. |
Gallinari
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:32:00 -
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Morganta wrote:welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked
no bug, working as designed
This. CCP will not return your Orca, be more careful who you let into your corp next time. |
Plentath
Sudden Buggery
11
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:35:00 -
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Morganta wrote:welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked
no bug, working as designed
I can confirm this.
Basically the only error here is player error - that despite knowing their was an AWOXer in corp there was still an orca in space some time afterwards.
There's really no excuse for this. Set the MOTD ... send a corp mail ... yell on vent, whatever.
Your inaction cost the life of an Orca this day. |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
674
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:45:00 -
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Morganta wrote:welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked
no bug, working as designed So...basicly when you respawn in station you are not actually in a pod...because of bad coding the character isnt' considered docked unless he actually undocked that new shinny egg and redocked ? Sounds just as bad as...training while not having an active account which is a working feature as documented by CCP who infact avertised it as such amirite? Oh wait...that was changed
Or a player out of pod means he is in CQ? This entire phrase of yours is very vague as what is "out of pod is not considered docked" since when you are in station...you are infact docked as there is no other feature you can turn on like "I am AFK away from the ship right now, please leave a message." I am not a code developer...just sounds like one of those opened phrases by CCP like they don't even have a clue so just leave it vague...kind of like that assumption there would only be a handful of titans and look where that lead to |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:46:00 -
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Morganta wrote:welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked
no bug, working as designed
That is very interesting, I did not know that myself. So I guess once they shot his ship up, someone should have just tailed his pod until he docked for a new ship, then relayed to the CEO when he docked to kick him. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:53:00 -
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Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule? |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
406
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:57:00 -
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THIS THREAD IS SO ANDROCIOUS |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
406
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:58:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?
Well, there might be, but I don't think you'll have to worry about that in your cuddly NPC corp! |
Marcus Ichiro
Kif Korp
24
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:58:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?
Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 16:59:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule?
I was wondering about that too, that just looks like an extremely exploitable "feature" If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Mark Androcius
69
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:00:00 -
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Marcus Ichiro wrote:Takseen wrote:Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule? Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them
Good point, so the other way around is better? If a man speaks his mind in the forest and no woman hears him, is he still wrong? |
Ituhata Saken
Crimson Cross Destroyers
30
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:04:00 -
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Actually I'm not really sure why the mechanic exists at all, I thought you had to wait 24 hours before the changes took affect anyway? |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
504
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:10:00 -
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Plentath wrote:Morganta wrote:welp... here goes
when you podded the guy you screwed yourself
you can't kick someone unless they are docked in station however due to the mechanics of eve a player out of pod is not considered docked even when in station the player must be in a pod at a minimum, in order to be docked
no bug, working as designed I can confirm this. Basically the only error here is player error - that despite knowing their was an AWOXer in corp there was still an orca in space some time afterwards. There's really no excuse for this. Set the MOTD ... send a corp mail ... yell on vent, whatever. Your inaction cost the life of an Orca this day.
I've got a feeling this is the way CCP will look at it too, warning them in chat, sending out a corp mail, anything like that to alert corp members that there was an awoxer and to dock up any non combat ships could have been used to avoid this situation. They'll just consider it a matter of negligence on your part that you didn't act to protect corp members.
I know I would. WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
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brinelan
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:15:00 -
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Ituhata Saken wrote:Actually I'm not really sure why the mechanic exists at all, I thought you had to wait 24 hours before the changes took affect anyway? 24 hour wait is when roles have to be removed. If they had no roles then they can be kicked or leave right away. |
Calfis
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
107
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:23:00 -
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Mark Androcius wrote:Wistar wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:
After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space
Cheers
Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him? Yes, the spy scrammbled it and shot it and CONCORD didn't respond, because he was a corp member, which i couldn't kick before it happened, because of the bug.
Why did you not send a corp mail warning people of the awoxer, type in corp chat, say in teamspeak or otherwise warn your entire corp of the bad apple? Sounds like nothing out of the ordinary happened here. If you did things right the Orca pilot would have been well aware and would not have died. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
144
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:40:00 -
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You were "defending" an Orca because you let a goof into your corp. Vandalism and theft are not spying. It's okay. We hold your corp blameless for hiring the guy and join you in your wish for CCP to take the blame. Let's have these game mechanics changed because sociopaths we hire turn their sociopathy on us, rather than the targets we select! Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Zoe Athame
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.05.17 17:52:00 -
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Calfis wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:Wistar wrote:Mark Androcius wrote:
After this, i lost an Orca that was alone in space
Cheers
Not trying to troll you, but this sounds unconnected to the rest of your post, and like you misplaced it. Did the Orca explode, or did you leave it somewhere? What bug is connected to Orcas vanishing? Are you saying the spai did something with it because you couldnt kick him? Yes, the spy scrammbled it and shot it and CONCORD didn't respond, because he was a corp member, which i couldn't kick before it happened, because of the bug. Why did you not send a corp mail warning people of the awoxer, type in corp chat, say in teamspeak or otherwise warn your entire corp of the bad apple? Sounds like nothing out of the ordinary happened here. If you did things right the Orca pilot would have been well aware and would not have died.
If you knew this guy was bad and you had time to track him down and pod him, you should have had time to warn everyone. I find it hard to believe he spawned in a new clone, got in a ship capable of killing an orca, found an orca, and killed an orca before any warning was sent. Even if it was sent, were there no corpies near by to save the orca?
Im curious as to how you found out, and managed to pod him but then completely forget about him afterward? |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
183
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:20:00 -
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Marcus Ichiro wrote:Takseen wrote:Incidentally, is there any particular rationale for the "you can't kick someone out of the corp if they're not docked" rule? Corp mate in something expensive > fly around with them > kick them from corp > immediately gank them
Isn't this backwards? If you want to gank someone without Concord intervention, you should keep them in the corp.
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adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:25:00 -
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Er well first off... maybe a good plan to tell the corp members HEY GUISE WE HAVE A CORP KILLER STAY DOCKED...
Do you think that if CCP says no you can show them this thread and say wahhhhh everyone said you should?
WTF send in a petition... demand nothing rofl... and see what happens... GL because the guy with the orca needs to send in the one for replacement...
Thread should be
little bug + epic stoopidness made us lose and orca |
Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
411
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:31:00 -
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SMASH SMASH HE'S OUR MAN IF HE CAN'T DO IT NO ONE...will. |
Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
316
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Posted - 2012.05.17 18:35:00 -
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Still report the bug to CCP. But if you lost the Orca after you noticed the bug do not expect to be reimbursed. |
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