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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
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Posted - 2012.06.06 13:51:00 -
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It does, or did.. Haven't run the arc in a while, but, it used to escape through a rift. I believe it is after it uses the acceleration gate.. If that has changed, then it's retcon... |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
411
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Posted - 2012.06.06 14:20:00 -
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Could be a retcon. It only used acceleration gates when I ran it, and I was disappoint. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
44
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:42:00 -
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Deceiver's Voice wrote: There is two obvious possibilities to explain what evidence is seen there. First, that the Sleepers were using Talocan technology to get to 'Anoikis'. Second, that the Talocan ships seen in Anoikis are of Jovian construction. A third possibility is that there was a combination of this happening.
A final explanation, and my personal favorite, is that Sleeper drones seen are in fact Jovian in construction, and that the Talocan were the first to travel to 'Anoikis'. This would explain the Mirror and what seems to be Jovian nomenclature used in it's databases. Of course you could stretch that to say that both Talocan structures and Sleeper ships were used, in conjunction, to get there... but that's further muddying the already murky evidence.
There isn't enough evidence to truly put any of these theories to rest, let alone prove which one is correct (if any). The evidence can be used to prove any one of them. What is lacking is the context in which many of the sites were constructed. Even using Templar One as a general guide to what happened, the completely isolated context of many of the names used (Enheduanni, Architects, etc.) in the novel preclude them for use in a logical proof or rebuttal if in-game or in-character evidence. There is also paradoxical explanations, information that directly contradicts other information given, etc. Induction, like Dropbear used to say, is the best bet; however, without further development of the Sleeper storyline in-game it's impossible to put to rest any of the questions.
Grious in Templar One states pretty clearly that Sleepers/Architects were part of the first Jove Empire. To be precise, the sub-group of people charged with the construction of the empire jump gates. Later they won influence and power, ultimately leading the whole technological research for all the empire and eventually gaining so much power over the jovian society evolution pace that they started acting like dictators. Until they all went to sleep on their WH refugees (save for the Enheduanni, who are precisely the only non-Sleeper Architects).
Roga Dracor wrote: It does, or did.. Haven't run the arc in a while, but, it used to escape through a rift. I believe it is after it uses the acceleration gate.. If that has changed, then it's retcon...
IIRC that drone appears in at least 2 different missions. The first one, it flees trought a rift. The second one, you catch it after following it trough an accel gate. |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
411
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Posted - 2012.06.06 16:53:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote: IIRC that drone appears in at least 2 different missions. The first one, it flees trought a rift. The second one, you catch it after following it trough an accel gate.
Would love to see some screenshots of this. I went through the whole arc and screenshotted everything, and that mission was the only one it appeared on for me. |
Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
44
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:13:00 -
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Maybe I'm confusing things since I've run that arc twice, if it was changed inbetween. I'll be sure to do it again asap and take a deep look specially on that. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
109
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Posted - 2012.06.06 18:54:00 -
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I, too, have run the arc several times, though it's been a while. It did use spatial rifts, and you are told too hurry after it before the rift closes..
The large drone hive, at the end of the arc, also appears to use spatial rifts to get around.. My impression was that infomorphs were in league with the drones somehow, or were using the drones as hosts, and were retrieving one of their own, with the full knowledge of Concord and the Empires.. There are BS's from each nation watching the transfer of the prisoner..
Spacial Rifts are also apparent in various other missions, usually appearing centered on rock formations that look suspiciously like gates.. And pirate factions, once again, in my opinion, have some knowledge of, or are attempting to figure out the method of their formation..
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
411
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Posted - 2012.06.12 16:39:00 -
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All right, I've completed a rough draft of my first story that seeks to paint some picture of what life as an ancient Talocan might have been like:
STORY 1: The Sharing. (http://talocanunited.com/wordpress/the-sharing/ for the url-impaired.)
Keep in mind that it is a rough draft, and small (or large) details will change in the course of future writings. All comments are welcome.
In the next two stories, I plan to delve more into Talocan technology and architecture, continue to develop their culture, and touch a bit on their "darker" sides that we see alluded to in some of the items and location descriptions.
(Also, pictures displayed throughout the story are for evocative purposes and aren't meant to show what "real" Talocan actually looked like.)
Hope you enjoy the story! |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords
110
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Posted - 2012.06.13 02:32:00 -
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I enjoyed. Thumbs up, and I look forward to more.. |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
27
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Posted - 2012.06.13 11:44:00 -
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I enjoyed it quite a bit too, and I like to think I'm rather picky. Well done. |
Watooshi Makoochji
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:54:00 -
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I thought the Talocan were an ancient buglike race who went extinct millenia befor ethe first human ver arrived in Nwe Edne much less in WH space where the Talocan lived? Is that not correct?
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Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
418
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:58:00 -
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Watooshi Makoochji wrote:I thought the Talocan were an ancient buglike race who went extinct millenia befor ethe first human ver arrived in Nwe Edne much less in WH space where the Talocan lived? Is that not correct?
...not sure if trolling... |
David Forge
Forge Enterprises
117
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:49:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Watooshi Makoochji wrote:I thought the Talocan were an ancient buglike race who went extinct millenia befor ethe first human ver arrived in Nwe Edne much less in WH space where the Talocan lived? Is that not correct?
...not sure if trolling...
It really has to be. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
115
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Posted - 2012.07.07 13:23:00 -
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Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens...
Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any... |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
419
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Posted - 2012.07.07 14:20:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens... Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any...
Well, other than Fedos, perhaps. There's allowance for lower-level life forms evolving on their own on worlds we come across.
But as far as intelligent life, yes, we are the only ones. It's to emphasize the truth that we are our own worst enemy. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
115
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Posted - 2012.07.07 14:30:00 -
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I even question that... With the Jove and Enhuadanni being masters of genetic manipulation, fedos, long limbed roe, slaver hounds, furriers, could all be genetic enhancements or adaptations to suit a particular planetary environment or niche that humanity required be filled for a particular purpose..
For instance, the long limbed roe looks like it could be a land adapted nautilus.. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
403
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Posted - 2012.07.09 21:53:00 -
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Possible Takmahl nod?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_Sign_Language |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
53
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Posted - 2012.07.11 14:50:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Widely accepted first rule of generalization in Eve; there are no aliens... Humanity colonized all of the Milky Way they could without encountering any...
Can you verify this from an official source? I mean, could be humans just conquered all intelligent races they encountered, no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE.
And there are plenty of alien species in the setting as said - furriers, slaver hounds, fedos have been mentioned. Even alien viruses (kyonoke infection). |
Nathan Jameson
Talocan Dominion Talocan United
420
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Posted - 2012.07.11 15:37:00 -
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Teinyhr wrote:no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE.
wut |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
53
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:51:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Teinyhr wrote:no point in mentioning them since it's not relevant to the story of EVE. wut
Well, do we really need to know if there were intelligent aliens in the previous galaxy humanity inhabited? Exact same reason writers don't mention about people doing ordinary things like using the bathroom, walking 20 minutes to work, spending 20 minutes in a checkup line in books unless this is somehow important to the plot at hand. |
Ninamina Dracosu
DragonStar Industries United Armed Forces Military Core
2
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Posted - 2012.07.15 03:38:00 -
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one of the evelopedia pages i ran across made mention of a species of animal on a planet that i think the Amarr colonized that could of become sentient life form had it been left alone for millions of years longer.
ah found the link to the planet
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Mekhios
the paragraph i'm thinking of: "The planet's biosphere was very advanced and was home to several sub-sapient species that scientists believe may have one day evolved intelligence if allowed a few more million years of development. Because the planet has not been developed as an industrial or agricultural world as much as Sarum Prime II, the ecology has remained healthy and mostly stable, though some unavoidable extinctions occurred. "
shows that there could be other alien sentient lifeforms out there that Humans have yet to run into in the New Eden systems. Think of it this way, "One galaxy one sentient life form" but humans are an invading life form into the New Eden Galaxy. So the question become is there a sentient lifeform in the New Eden Galaxy off in another part of the Galaxy that Humans have yet to run into? or if the Talocans were that race, did the invading humans wipe them out and were the Talocans running away from the human expansion and their diseases. Think about what European and american Diseases did to both Europeans and Native americans when the 2 met back in the late 1400s early 1500s. Could have been that all over again with The Talocans being the native american like people and Human the invading Europeans. |
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Sitreba Oonchevkii
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
8
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Posted - 2012.07.15 14:27:00 -
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i'm sorry for my fiction noobiness, but wut is Anoikis? Democracy gives every man the right to be his own oppresor. It is an abuse of statistics. It is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage. It is the only system that persists in asking the powers that be if they are the powers that ought to be. Yet, democracy is vital, because without it government is the very definition of slavery. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
134
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Posted - 2012.07.21 17:18:00 -
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Anoikis is the Jovian term for wormhole space..
@ Teinhyr: Such would imply that the Terrans commited genocide upon said races... I prefer the thought that we Terrans are alone in our universe.
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Qvar Dar'Zanar
EVE University Ivy League
78
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Posted - 2012.07.22 13:04:00 -
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Confirming that there's still at least 1 mission where the sleeper drone uses spatial rifts (3 of which you have to go trough. The fourth is already gone when you get there). to move around. It's the mission next to the one where you place the dummy DNA modified corpse inside a station. Since it's inside the row of missions after you have to choose, it's possible that only the ones who picked this path will encounter the spatial rifts. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
135
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Posted - 2012.07.24 15:13:00 -
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With the most recent chronicle (brilliant btw), I am being forced to reconsider my preconceptions and accept that something else just might be out there... Beyond the circle of light, so to speak..
"Blood-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood," said Shakor.
Of course, Jovian modifiers might appear to many as strange beings, too..... |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
15
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Posted - 2012.07.24 16:20:00 -
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Perhaps the Sleepers are finally waking up, and they're not happy, or the Talocan weren't friendly and the Sleepers kept them trapped and we opened the door back home, or some other unknown force is out there. Either way, it seems something is coming and it doesn't bode well. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
139
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Posted - 2012.08.01 20:24:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Came across a new useful link that lists all items in the game with the word "Talocan" in the title: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=talocanI've added it to the OP. Didn't see a catalog like this in the Arek'Jaalan Project, sadly. EDIT: I find a lot of these items to be very revealing, and wonder how many of them actually show up in the game. There is a Talocan Disruption Tower and a Disrupted Talocan Polestar...very suggestive.
I wish I would have followed up on this earlier, absolutely priceless find. Though, I am still struggling to understand it. Thank you for pointing me back to the site. For those of us who understand the uses and implications of datacores, look at the uses of the as yet unearthed datacores. Reverse engineering OUR technology. Look also at the Talocan, Yan Jung and Sleeper datacores and their relevent tech levels. No such list exists for the Takhmal that I could find. Very suggestive, indeed, as we know the trail left by the Takhmal originated upon the Amarr homworld. |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
22
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Posted - 2012.08.01 23:13:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:Nathan Jameson wrote:Came across a new useful link that lists all items in the game with the word "Talocan" in the title: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=talocanI've added it to the OP. Didn't see a catalog like this in the Arek'Jaalan Project, sadly. EDIT: I find a lot of these items to be very revealing, and wonder how many of them actually show up in the game. There is a Talocan Disruption Tower and a Disrupted Talocan Polestar...very suggestive. I wish I would have followed up on this earlier, absolutely priceless find. Though, I am still struggling to understand it. Thank you for pointing me back to the site. For those of us who understand the uses and implications of datacores, look at the uses of the as yet unearthed datacores. Reverse engineering OUR technology. Look also at the Talocan, Yan Jung and Sleeper datacores and their relevent tech levels. No such list exists for the Takhmal that I could find. Very suggestive, indeed, as we know the trail left by the Takhmal originated upon the Amarr homworld. While no more advanced than our own technology, the Talocan's seem to have a different approach, or baseline technology. Also notice what is reverse engineered with said datacores, a further study in what fields these races seem to have excelled or been concentrating on at the time of their downfall.
Well the reason you won't find this in AJ is because simply it is knowledge our characters don't have and AJ is an IC thingso technically speaking we can't know these things. As for what is in-game, pretty much the entire list is in-game with just a few exceptions. The datacores, data analyzer and datainterface are not available and, as far as I know, the Talocan Embankment Destroyer has not appeared anywhere yet. From the description it seems to be in far better shape than the other wrecks floating about, it's also not listed as a spawn container so it's not something that would give you T3 hull fragments.
Also Roga, I suggest you search the inventory using certain search terms. You get a more complete list of things that have been found hidden in the database.
For example the datacore list is actually a little bit longer. http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/inventory_search.php?keywords=Datacore
You'll notice the Takmahl were not forgotten and there are a few others in there as well. But I would suggest we are very careful about making assumptions based on what is in the database. I'm sure some of it will never see the light of day in game at all.
In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
Roga Dracor
Mental Disorders Inc. Intergalactic Brotherhood
140
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Posted - 2012.08.02 01:16:00 -
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LOL, a light just clicked on, thank you Tykari, I do need to do some digging in there.. Embarkment Destroyer... I think I've actually seen something like that.. |
Tykari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
23
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Posted - 2012.08.02 11:26:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:LOL, a light just clicked on, thank you Tykari, I do need to do some digging in there.. Embarkment Destroyer... I think I've actually seen something like that..
Well if you can figure out for certain let me know, would love to know where that thing is. Seen plenty of evidence of the Frigates, Cruisers and Battleships from various sources, haven't found much about the destroyer yet though. In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness. |
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