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Drunk Driver
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.19 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Drunk Driver on 19/06/2009 14:43:33
Why didn't they just impale her on a pole in front of the court house?
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.06.19 14:50:00 -
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Problem is they tried her using laws for people that make copyright material available for purposes of turning a profit. Say someone opens an i-tunes clone and starts selling songs they don't have the rights to sell, thats when 100k+ per song might be reasonable.
Also, after more looking, the judge doesn't appear corrupt. He was the one that threw out the original case (which she lost) saying he made a mistake in the jury instructions, and wrote a letter complaining that the legislation allowed fines completely disproportionate to the damages (back when the total fine was $220k).
So, the jury's just a bunch of idiots that got swindled by the RIAAs well-paid legal team.
In before Ralara. |
TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.19 16:43:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Brea Lafail
I find it surprising that Canada is #10 considering our courts have all but refused to say whether p2p sharing is actually illegal under our laws.
More you suppress and ***** about something, the more popular it becomes. |
WhiteSavage
Gallente
Altruism.
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Posted - 2009.06.19 16:50:00 -
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I'd suggest people start looking up new untracable ways of illegal downloading. A lot of new, good stuff out there... P2p and bittorent r things of the past.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.19 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: WhiteSavage
I'd suggest people start looking up new untracable ways of illegal downloading. A lot of new, good stuff out there... P2p and bittorent r things of the past.
yes the new torrent client called bitblinder seams to do that |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.19 17:22:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Edited by: Drunk Driver on 19/06/2009 14:43:33
Why didn't they just impale her on a pole in front of the court house?
Cleaning bill.
Besides, they can use those 1.9 million dollar as if it were real money even though that woman will never be able to pay it back. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.19 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Brea Lafail
I find it surprising that Canada is #10 considering our courts have all but refused to say whether p2p sharing is actually illegal under our laws.
More you suppress and ***** about something, the more popular it becomes.
The point being, that in Canada they are not necessarily being supressed or *****ed about. The RIAA basicly managed to add a tax (they get payed some amount of cents for each blank cd/dvd) to blank copy materials like DVD's and CD's but that's about the extent of their damage here.
-Jin Nib
Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since:
2009.03.02 03:53:00
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KingsGambit
Caldari Knights
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Man we moved up a place from 6th to 5th but that's not a great show for us in the UK, I'm disappointed. I should apologise perhaps for not helping much here, but in my defense there wasn't very much worth downloading and what there was, I pinched from my brother  I'll try to do better for 2009, being beaten by the french is just not right.
But in seriousness, what are the RIAA and that judge doing? Almost $2mill? What did she download anyway, anything good? While a small part of me feels for the music publishers, this kinda stuff makes it hard to have any sympathy for them. If it were me being told to pay that much, I think I'd have simply emptied out any money from my wallet (typically anywhere from z5 up to z25), laughed and walked out. |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:31:00 -
[39]
Originally by: KingsGambit
but in my defense
I see what you did there.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:32:00 -
[40]
Originally by: KingsGambit
What did she download anyway, anything good?
No.
In before Ralara. |
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Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: KingsGambit
What did she download anyway, anything good?
No.
Isn't there like a decade rule where copyright becomes void. Or isn't that after death of the last member of the band that played it.
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TimMc
Gallente
Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:43:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Bestofworst
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: KingsGambit
What did she download anyway, anything good?
No.
Isn't there like a decade rule where copyright becomes void. Or isn't that after death of the last member of the band that played it.
Thats only for art I think, and apparently music is too formulated to be art anymore. |
Bestofworst
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.20 00:48:00 -
[43]
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Bestofworst
Originally by: Brea Lafail
Originally by: KingsGambit
What did she download anyway, anything good?
No.
Isn't there like a decade rule where copyright becomes void. Or isn't that after death of the last member of the band that played it.
Thats only for art I think, and apparently music is too formulated to be art anymore.
Well I was told that after a decade or so that the copyright becomes voided, that's why you see Freebird and Stairway to heaven with a few million views on youtube and still no muting. |
Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.06.20 01:52:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Bestofworst
Well I was told that after a decade or so that the copyright becomes voided, that's why you see Freebird and Stairway to heaven with a few million views on youtube and still no muting.
More like 70 years after the last artist's death, depending where you're from. The reason those videos haven't been taken down is that whoever owns the rights to the songs isn't being a **** about it.
In before Ralara. |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2009.06.20 04:34:00 -
[45]
Further proof that the biggest criminals wear a suit/sit behind a desk/have some type of title.
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Reiisha
Evolution
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.20 15:31:00 -
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If something can be copied infinitely it becomes inherently worthless.
As soon as the lawmakers realize this (by reason or force...) we can move on.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 15:41:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Edited by: Drunk Driver on 19/06/2009 14:43:33
Why didn't they just impale her on a pole in front of the court house?
What is this, some kind of pirate revenge thread? |
Northern Fall
Minmatar
Guild Academy
Guild Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.20 15:44:00 -
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Now if only they applied the same to the obscene amounts of murderers, rapists and peadophiles walking around after not serving way enough time for their crimes. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.20 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Northern Fall
Now if only they applied the same to the obscene amounts of murderers, rapists and peadophiles walking around after not serving way enough time for their crimes.
except only Citizens and Police hate those, they however do not effect some fatcat record exec or some whiny rock star with 5 homes in Malibu and three Ferraris at each one.
downloading music they claim effects them and have bought their way via corrupt laws like the DMCA into a position where they sue for profit. |
Bodrul
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.06.20 22:38:00 -
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the problem with this crap is
they say they lose millions of Potential revenue
from these downloads
but in reality they wouldnt sell that much in the first place or
not that many people would buy it in the first place.
UK goverment are *****s and like to keep these morons happy
was nice even amusing and **** take coming from france when they gave the 2 finger salute to
cutting peoples internet connections off without a order from a Judge.
and now they are trying to bring in a three strike in the UK
morons
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Malande
Amarr
Empyrean Holdings
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Posted - 2009.06.20 23:22:00 -
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This result unfortunatly isn't going to stop illegal file sharing at all, it's a ******ly high fee for someone who can't afford it (the woman in this case is a single mum so the main victim is going to be her kid). All it's going to do is speed up the move to more covert file sharing means, like limited access darknets.
Added to this there is no conclusive study that links file sharing to loss of revenue in the music industry, it's just corperate/personal greed taking over!
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.20 23:59:00 -
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I would love to know where they got the $80,000 per track thing from, being that they're worth 99p. At most they lost that 99p, but then really the idea of lost profits to piracy is silly: You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place 
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.06.21 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I would love to know where they got the $80,000 per track thing from, being that they're worth 99p. At most they lost that 99p, but then really the idea of lost profits to piracy is silly: You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place
They lost potential profit and somehow to anyone in a suit potential profit is worth more than actual profit.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 00:28:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I would love to know where they got the $80,000 per track thing from, being that they're worth 99p. At most they lost that 99p, but then really the idea of lost profits to piracy is silly: You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place
They lost potential profit and somehow to anyone in a suit potential profit is worth more than actual profit.
No, it's because they assumed, for some inane reason, that she was selling the songs for mega profits. Because, you know, people are willing to pay a random person as much as or more than they could pay iTunes for the same song.
Thus, since some soccer mom DL'd a few songs, she made tens of millions from selling them to her friends and can afford the fine.
These are the same sorts of people who think fining Madoff $4 million for stealing $50 BILLION makes sense.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero!  /me bows
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Reiisha
Evolution
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.06.21 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I would love to know where they got the $80,000 per track thing from, being that they're worth 99p. At most they lost that 99p, but then really the idea of lost profits to piracy is silly: You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place
They lost potential profit and somehow to anyone in a suit potential profit is worth more than actual profit.
No, it's because they assumed, for some inane reason, that she was selling the songs for mega profits. Because, you know, people are willing to pay a random person as much as or more than they could pay iTunes for the same song.
Thus, since some soccer mom DL'd a few songs, she made tens of millions from selling them to her friends and can afford the fine.
These are the same sorts of people who think fining Madoff $4 million for stealing $50 BILLION makes sense.
This guy understands the problem.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Xevria
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Posted - 2009.06.21 14:10:00 -
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so we have loot crazy record company owners wanting $80.000 for a song, bank directors that are pillaging their banks for more then the goverments are pumping int it.
perhaps I should move to north korea, place is still crap, but at least its more honest then this capitalistic cespool.
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Brea Lafail
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Posted - 2009.06.21 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
I would love to know where they got the $80,000 per track thing from, being that they're worth 99p. At most they lost that 99p, but then really the idea of lost profits to piracy is silly: You can't lose what you didn't have in the first place
The jury was trying to "make an example" of her.
In before Ralara. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.21 16:59:00 -
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what i want to know is why does the government(s) care so much about stopping P2P "Piracy" but doesnt drop the hammer hard on the execs who nearly crashed the western economy. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Brea Lafail
The jury was trying to "make an example" of her.
Talk about "Jury Rigging". |
Krystal Vernet
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.06.21 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
what i want to know is why does the government(s) care so much about stopping P2P "Piracy" but doesnt drop the hammer hard on the execs who nearly crashed the western economy.
Pirates and citizens with common sense don't have influential lobbyists wooing elected government officials.
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