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Sappho Ajhannis
Knowledge Stick Station
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Posted - 2009.06.20 18:58:00 -
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I agree. There's already an easy 'no wardec required/no sec problem' free-for-all pvp option for high sec based players. It's called facwar.
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Leyline777
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: ddr800
I currently run 2 accounts and my main is nearing 20m Sp and I refuse to go into low sec, I have personally had 3-4 weeks in low sec alliance that fell apart. If I could go to low sec or a battlegrounds and learn to pvp with out losing billions of isk in the process I might be interested in it. Otherwise this is an alt tab game for me; I can run level 4 and mine in high sec to kill some time. My experience in 0.0 for 2-4 weeks was dead silence or Gank fest.
I agree there should be NO Reward for battleground or arena pvp. The Only Reward should be exp using your skills in a pvp environment.
Tbh while i understand where youre coming from, since i remember the days when i was a new player (pvp wise), but; I also know that there are tons of corps that reside in hisec that will let you get your feet wet going into lowsec or 0.0 and now especially wh fighting. If you need help finding ppl i can help ya out. Also, if you go solo on your first times and arent a natural at it you will be ****d by people like me and mine whos goal is to kill everything we come across or at least ransom it. Start cheap and work up.
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FunzzeR
Statistical Arbitrage
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Posted - 2009.06.21 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: FunzzeR on 21/06/2009 02:00:15
Agreed, any sort of arena or other "softcore" goes against everything that eve stands for.
I say NO to arenas or battlegrounds in any form.
To anyone wanting pvp without consequences
World of Warcraft ------>
Runescape ------>
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Xailz
Godless Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 15:14:00 -
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Want to PVP without Risk and to be fair?
Test Server, use it.
Supported, there is no room for this kind of bastardization.
Xz |
Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.21 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vuk Lau
Yup I am strongly against that or any similar crap.
This. |
Helgur
Steel Soldier's
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Posted - 2009.06.21 17:19:00 -
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Arenas would slowly but surely kill real pvp. Signed |
Laechyd Eldgorn
Endemic Aggression
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 20:18:00 -
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pvp arenas are ridiculous. We need more real pvp. If this crap goes on any kind of piracy becomes impossible. Everyone just goes to arena to test their new golden weapons found from local sewer.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.21 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
pvp arenas are ridiculous. We need more real pvp. If this crap goes on any kind of piracy becomes impossible. Everyone just goes to arena to test their new golden weapons found from local sewer.
I agree. While I personally dislike being the victim of piracy I can understand the absolute absurdity of having a dedicated PvP area in outer space as well as how it would hurt PvP how it already exists in game |
Biytor
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Posted - 2009.06.21 21:43:00 -
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Supported!!!
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Kralin Ignatov
Mentis Fidelis
Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:24:00 -
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it is possible to have tourney's and "arena" like fights with current mechanics, just risk is involved.
the less like WoW this game is, the better it is
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Reapers
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Posted - 2009.06.21 23:30:00 -
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Arena's with permanent ship loss is fine. I would like to do a 1 v 1 but usually when I am killing someone, the can flagging rules means more than 1 can join in. Not that it matters much since I am used to 1vmany odds and coming out in top, but the concept is pretty decent.
As for the game turning into wow, well, wow repair costs for some guy is probebly harder to earn than the cost of loosing a pvp bc due to insurance in terms of time. if anything, remove insurance
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Admiral IceBlock
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:27:00 -
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I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.22 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it.
Well, thats another argument for NOT implementing. They wouldn't serve a purpose other then making this game more like WoW.
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Uzume Ame
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Posted - 2009.06.22 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral IceBlock
I don't see how an arena or battleground could be a bad addition given that they both have the same consequences as "real" EVE; if you lose your ship you still lose it.
This.
Stop the hysteria. Is fine as long as you lose the stuff, alkso adding bets would be nice and a good place to play scams etc. 
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Cyberman Mastermind
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Posted - 2009.06.22 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
World PvP died in WoW when arena and battlegrounds were introduced.
Hm. So what does this tell us who don't know WoW about world PVP there?
a) it's apparently not really that interesting
b) it's completely pointless and doesn't serve any purpose
AFAIR, in Eve most PVP does serve a purpose - keeping enemies away, keeping your area clean of pirates, or simply taking over territorry.
Seems like enough reason for many of the current PVPers to continue.
OTOH, having the option to fight under somewhat real conditions while still having some sort of safety-net (i.e. knowing you won't be jumped by a carrier or whatever) might bring reluctant players to try PVP. Even if it's just a watered down PVP, it'd be enough to get a taste without choking.
Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
but the idea that a dead ship is dead is one of the core principles of Eve. Actions have consequences.
Hardly anyone is denying that, even if the anti-arena guys are repeating this "argument".
I'd be willing to bet that 9 out of 10 arena supporters are even insisting thatit should have losses.
A victory in a fight where you can't lose anything is worthless, after all. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2009.06.22 16:31:00 -
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rather than having a new half finished feature put into the game that never gets fixed how about we fix the currant Faction War feature that was supposed to act as that introduction to PvP but so far has become stale as we have this so called "war" that has been restricted to a small area in the middle of the universe without any real consequences for failing to defend systems and no reward for taking them, and with the fact that you are pretty much restricted to your empire and empires allys space and null sec with the fact that you are pretty dam safe in your empires high sec it kind of makes you ask the question that im pretty sure alot of people have been thinking
"Is this really a war?"
in all honsety the answer is, No!, it really isnt, if it was a war it would expand into the higher sec systems but there is really no point in going there as you can not take those systems can you.
so insted of putting in a little PvP areana with no risk where you may as well go into SISI fix the intended easy PvP feature.
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Syringe
Oedipus Complex
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Syringe on 22/06/2009 19:10:55
/signed
Definitely no. Arranged fights should never be an official mechanic of EVE. If people want to pick fights, they can wardec anyone they want.
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Uronksur Suth
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.22 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK
rather than having a new half finished feature put into the game that never gets fixed how about we fix the currant Faction War feature that was supposed to act as that introduction to PvP but so far has become stale as we have this so called "war" that has been restricted to a small area in the middle of the universe without any real consequences for failing to defend systems and no reward for taking them, and with the fact that you are pretty much restricted to your empire and empires allys space and null sec with the fact that you are pretty dam safe in your empires high sec it kind of makes you ask the question that im pretty sure alot of people have been thinking
"Is this really a war?"
in all honsety the answer is, No!, it really isnt, if it was a war it would expand into the higher sec systems but there is really no point in going there as you can not take those systems can you.
so insted of putting in a little PvP areana with no risk where you may as well go into SISI fix the intended easy PvP feature.
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Grarr Dexx
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2009.06.22 20:03:00 -
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Any idea to stop this bull**** gets my vote.
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Tikka
Caldari
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:41:00 -
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no arena
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FinalFlash84
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:03:00 -
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Don't destroy our game with this kind of crap
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Gnosis19
People of the Anthropomorphic Worlds Sovereignty
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:38:00 -
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Completely agree with this. Eve doesn't need to go the casual player route of World of Warcraft. Risk-less PvP destroys all that this game has going for it.
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Straight Chillen
Solar Wind
AAA Citizens
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:46:00 -
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I fully support this idea. There are so many avenues through which people looking for PVP can get it. Adding a form of loss less/instanced combat cheapens then game.
If you want to learn to PVP do it the same way everyone before you has; Find a group of like minded individuals and start with t1 frigs and cruisers.
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Fille Balle
Dissolution Of Eternity
Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.06.23 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Fille Balle on 23/06/2009 20:11:56
Edited by: Fille Balle on 23/06/2009 20:10:32
Originally by: Kaylan Jahlar
Well sadly for you, EVE Online is not for casual players who can only play a little bit here and there. Since its launch in 2003, it has never been either. Everything in EVE takes time to achieve, and it's the soul of the game. In order to have enough resources to counter ship losses, you need to have a good corporation with a good supply chain. If you're trying to do freelance, no wonder you're finding it hard to do anything in this game with the short amount of time you can afford to spend. Changing that would change the whole game completely. The more time you can spend in the game, the better you'll be, and this is always gonna be like that. A risk-free Arena system (no ship loss) would change the face of the game too much.
The only way they would be able to fit a sort of Arena system is if you can still lose your ship, but that there's rules against intentional pod killing, much like the rules of the already existing Alliance Tournament. The rewards gained from winning arena matches would have to be things you can't use in combat outside the Arena context as well (only medals, points, or ISK rewards, no special "arena ships" or modules).
Oh, I didn't know that. I guess I'm not welcome here then. That's kind of sad really I'm really enjoying this game. Ah well, I guess I'll submit a petition to get CCP's opinion.
And here I thought the skill system was really good for casual players, as they don't have to PLAY 23/7 IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF THE PLAYERS. So much for that then I guess Since we're already discussing, I was thinking, if you can make other players suffer a loss via arena's, doesn't that resemble REAL pvp?
Maybe it's better if it is risk free. Maybe that'll make players wonder what the point of arena's is? If you can make people suffer losses via arena's, then why bother risking your ship in a situation where you can potantially be outnumbered? No, I say, make it no risk, that way it won't cause people to stop pvp'ing "for real", as it would be very "non-eve like", and just wouldn't feel right.
And btw, I would love it if it actually had consequences! But I just think it would be less than healthy for the game, and believe me, I have plenty of isk to burn. I just don't always feel like dumping it on some lame lowsec gang that takes five minutes to kill me because they fail to fit for dps. |
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