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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.23 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak Netherlands then. At least you can get high
Netherlands also has enough issues (me=Dutch). One of them is the "zesjes cultuur". Being succesfull is almost seen as something bad, and the general opinion is basicly that you just should be one of the many, and not try to become more than that.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Grimpak Netherlands then. At least you can get high
Netherlands also has enough issues (me=Dutch). One of them is the "zesjes cultuur". Being succesfull is almost seen as something bad, and the general opinion is basicly that you just should be one of the many, and not try to become more than that.
Yup (I'm also dutch). Trying to be better than the group, outdoing them, putting in effort to succeed or simply having a big/expensive car or house ends up in you being scoffed at.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.23 12:32:00 -
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Ignorance is bliss. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.23 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees Ignorance is bliss.
Yup, right up until the moment the train runs over you. |
Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.23 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Munchees Ignorance is bliss.
Yup, right up until the moment the train runs over you.
That train looked pretty friendly to me. |
Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.23 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 23/06/2009 09:26:04 There's 2 ways of looking at Obama;
1) be happy that finally someone with charisma and a different vocabulary is now president and accepting the fact that he can't change things overnight that have extisted for YEARS. That he HAS to deal with the 'entrenched' politicians, focus groups and lobbies and that he can't change or improve everything without ever making mistakes or having to back down some issues.
At least it's better than the clueless monkey you had before him.
2) be angry at him for turning the tide, the US was THIS close to anarchy and people stopping to believe the goverment, the monetary system and all the corrupt institutions. Meaning they were THIS close to overthrowing it all, dumping it in the sea and starting anew. Giving people hope was the worst thing that could happen.
Anything else is just jealousy, (hidden) racism or "he's not from my political party therefore I must taint him".
You must not look at him very much. A Charisma and a different vocabulary? Just do a google search for teleprompter and Obama. Swinging his head left and right is not charisma, its him reading the set of teleprompters that follow him everywhere, even when introducing a single person. Its laughable that the US was close to anarchy. Obama had a slim margin of votes and could possibly lose an election if held today, his approval ratings have tanked, and his agenda is falling apart because his "hope and change" is being unmasked as "tax and spend." Not even his party is able to stomach the amount of spending he wants and the amount of taxes he wants. If Obama, as you say has to deal with entrenched lobbyists and politicians, why is his administration filled with entrenched politicians, his cabinet filled with entrenched politicians and why did he pick over 40 lobbyists to work in his administration. Someday you will realize what makes a President, or any leader, is not how well he/she reads from a teleprompter.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.06.23 15:53:00 -
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DANGER!
DANGER!
POLITICS DETECTED!
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Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Munchees on 23/06/2009 16:24:40
Originally by: Ademaro Imre
You must not look at him very much. A Charisma and a different vocabulary? Just do a google search for teleprompter and Obama. Swinging his head left and right is not charisma, its him reading the set of teleprompters that follow him everywhere, even when introducing a single person. Its laughable that the US was close to anarchy. Obama had a slim margin of votes and could possibly lose an election if held today, his approval ratings have tanked, and his agenda is falling apart because his "hope and change" is being unmasked as "tax and spend." Not even his party is able to stomach the amount of spending he wants and the amount of taxes he wants. If Obama, as you say has to deal with entrenched lobbyists and politicians, why is his administration filled with entrenched politicians, his cabinet filled with entrenched politicians and why did he pick over 40 lobbyists to work in his administration. Someday you will realize what makes a President, or any leader, is not how well he/she reads from a teleprompter.
I'm amused, so I'll counter your arguments.
Obama had 52.9% of the vote. McCain had just 45.7%. The other missing percentage here went to other candidates in other parties.
He has a 65% approval rating.
What makes a president is what he does in his term of office. Obama hasn't even been in office a year and you're already deeming him a horrible president. How about you wait. George W. Bush, his predecessor, considered by many to be a bad president, was for the first 2-3 years of his time in office considered a good president. Then he made mistakes, and the view of him turned from positive to negative.
People considered the best presidents are those that brought change of some kind to the country. Washington led the revolution. Jefferson increased the size of the country. Lincoln freed the slaves. Roosevelt ended the depression in the United States, made life for the working/middle class better, and dealt with World War 2. Reagan helped bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Only time will tell what Obama does. He could end up being a great, average, or horrible president.
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Munchees
I'm amused, so I'll counter your arguments.
Obama had 52.9% of the vote. McCain had just 45.7%. The other missing percentage here went to other candidates in other parties.
He has a 65% approval rating.
As I said, as the numbers on his tax and spend plans become more and more clear, his approval is tanking,.
It is 58%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/obama-job-approval-slips-58-first-time.aspx
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Vogue
The Burned Church
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:32:00 -
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Beyond Good And Evil |
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Munchees
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Posted - 2009.06.23 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
As I said, as the numbers on his tax and spend plans become more and more clear, his approval is tanking,.
It is 58%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/121028/obama-job-approval-slips-58-first-time.aspx
If you want my true opinion, it's that the approval ratings thing is bull****. It is one of the things that is dumbing down Americans. There's 350 million Americans and we will never know how every single one feels. Approval ratings are done via poll, and they only are able to poll a sample of the population. They only polled 1,504 people. |
Aethrwolf
Caldari Home for Wayward Gamers
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Posted - 2009.06.23 19:00:00 -
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Big part of America's problems stem from our (great)grandparents working themselves to death to make life "better" for their children/grandchildren, and mistaking easier for better. Easier can be the most insidious form of corruption in a society.
Not working in factories is easier, therefor must be better. With our manufacturing base going away, our economy has become more centered towards intangibles. Young ppl see their parents working in fields that dont require much in the way of physical labor and assume that working should be easy, when they get into the workforce and realize the nonphysical stress they find ways to avoid it, since their parents never took the time to explain the realities to them. So each generation finds more and more ways to avoid stress/responsibility.
Credit is easier (and faster) than saving for things, and therefor must be better. We see now how well that has really worked. And we have economists now saying that the credit markets MUST be revitalized or we face collapse, so ppl must be encouraged to use credit. My opinion there is "let us ****ing fall" we made the bed now let us sleep in it. Credit led to this on a large part, I say credit needs to be tightly enforced across the board with all types of credit subject to the same rules. (did you know that in the US, mortgage companies are the ONLY lenders that can totally refuse/return a partial payment? If any other type of credit company tries that you can sue them and have the debt wiped out?) Forcing companies to make credit available to everyone just exacerbates the issue. Allowing credit scores to affect interest instead of just availability works to trap those with poor credit into a loop of higher interest/miseed payment/higher interest. Allowing employers to check applicants credit scores in the hiring process and use the scores as a reason not to hire them (and yes, this DOES happen) makes the cycle even worse.
We've gotten to a stage that most of US society believes that easier=better. I honestly believe its become so ingrained that it will most likely take a complete collapse for that to change.
I dont feel a sense of entitlement, what I feel is a sense of outrage that people who make mistakes early in life have almost no chance to redeem themselves anymore in terms of economics and employment. What really ****es me off is that the US medical costs are so bad that employers actively search for legal reasons to get rid of or not to hire people with any medical issues. Japanese owned companies being the worst, theres a lot of japanese plants in this area and contrary to what one poster has stated, employees aren't highly motivated, they aare mostly FEAR motivated to be productive. Most of the plants in the area are in court with former employees constantly. I could rant more on this but I wont for now.
Part of the issues we face, not the worst but worth mentioning, is immigrants coming here with a desire for advancement that they couldn't get in their home countries but no desire to adopt any parts of the culture that allowed that to happen, I try to respect peoples' beliefs, but a lot of newcomers have no respect for ours. Our legal systems tend to treat them with kid gloves sometimes, too. After all its their "cultural heritage" and we must make allowances, even when some of those acts are blatantly illegal here. The US was supposed to be a "melting pot".. apparently we forgot that when melting different things together, you need to STIR.
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Vogue
The Burned Church
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Posted - 2009.06.23 19:07:00 -
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I really think working in an office is mentally debilatating. The insideous political correctness and stupid politics. Doing skilled manual labour is mentally more healthy imo. You can have great banter in a factory or building site. Blow off steam with foul language but your still mates to your co-workers. At the end of the day you can think you have made something tangible. Whereas in an office with your best efforts at the end of the day people often think 'er have i actually achieved anything today other than send and receive emails'.
Though i was never best suitied to office life as i wear my heart on my sleeve. I never trained the deceit skillbook
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Aya Otosaki
Titan Indurstrial
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Posted - 2009.06.23 19:14:00 -
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People think im ignorant because i dont give a rats ass about the things they think are important. ----- Ignorance is my strength. |
Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.23 20:41:00 -
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I think I love this thread. <3 |
rValdez5987
Amarr Imperial Guard.
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Posted - 2009.06.24 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aya Otosaki People think im ignorant because i dont give a rats ass about the things they think are important.
In other words you only care about yourself and you think thats fine. Your always right, etc etc.
Btw, I requested that this thread be locked. After reading some of the incompetent dribble that has been posted you can understand why.
Should save the mods some work locking it now rather then wading through garbage.
Also the US is no closer to revolution now then it was a year ago. No one will get up off their fat asses unless you take the cheeseburger out of their hand. Even then they will be like :effort: and pout instead. |
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2009.06.24 06:55:00 -
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Locked as user requested.
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