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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2009.06.25 15:49:00 -
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really, how is loot any different than salvage as far as source/destination logic is concerened.
This is silly - Hi or Low - Loot and Wrecks should be treated the same; (PVE) free for anyone who gets to it first or (PVP) owned by individual/corp who got destroyed.
The items may be different, but they are BOTH coming from the same ship destroyed by the same person. |
Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: MasterEnt really, how is loot any different than salvage as far as source/destination logic is concerened.
This is silly - Hi or Low - Loot and Wrecks should be treated the same; (PVE) free for anyone who gets to it first or (PVP) owned by individual/corp who got destroyed.
The items may be different, but they are BOTH coming from the same ship destroyed by the same person.
Difference is, Any ship in the game can pickup loot, Whereas only ships with salvagers can salvage. meaning lots of wrecks are just left about. CCP wants salvaging to be a profession. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vidi Angelus CCP wants salvaging to be a profession.
And they've said so repeatedly.
And with increasing irritation.
Hey, here's a solution:
Remove salvage from mission wrecks entirely. That solves the ninja salvaging problem at a stroke.
(Rebalance rigs to use ~1/4-1/3 as much salvage, so the supply from 0.0 rats is sufficient. This has the happy side effect of boosting 0.0 ratting income a bit too - if you can be bothered to salvage and move the salvage to hi-sec.) |
Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vidi Angelus CCP wants salvaging to be a profession.
Remove salvage from mission wrecks entirely. That solves the ninja salvaging problem at a stroke.
I Wouldn't say Ninja salvaging is a problem. |
Lady Spank
Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:18:00 -
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Maybe ownership of the wrecks and salvage should be transferred to the rat that got blown up, then the rat may decide who they want to attack to avenge their ship loss. |
Riedlim
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Elissa wow, I don't know how EVE works and I like to look ignorant and whiny.quote]
Agreed |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vidi Angelus
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vidi Angelus CCP wants salvaging to be a profession.
Remove salvage from mission wrecks entirely. That solves the ninja salvaging "problem" at a stroke.
I Wouldn't say Ninja salvaging is a problem.
Well the real problem is people whining about it. I fixed my post. |
Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vidi Angelus
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Vidi Angelus CCP wants salvaging to be a profession.
Remove salvage from mission wrecks entirely. That solves the ninja salvaging "problem" at a stroke.
I Wouldn't say Ninja salvaging is a problem.
Well the real problem is people whining about it. I fixed my post.
Much better
Nerf Whining!!!One!Eleven!! |
Kessiaan
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2009.06.25 16:56:00 -
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Yes, please make salvaging yellow wrecks a crime. I might grind my sec. status back up and go back to highsec!
And while you're at it, let me tractor yellow wrecks / cans too, with appropriate flagging.
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.06.25 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Elissa Hmmm??? If it weren't for MY missiles, those wrecks would not be there... what gives... that is total BS.
He was salvaging in a BS? What a noob.
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Darth Vindictus
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Posted - 2009.06.25 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: Elissa Since I am in 0.5 high-sec; I of course have ZERO recourse since Concord will swoop in and destroy me for killing a thief. And, of course the thief would then loot me too.
That's BS!
You are wrong there is a course of action you can take. A couple of my corp buddies and I have used it with great results. To the OP, eve-mail me and I'll tell you how to fix your problem. It doesn't come without a little work on your part though.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 17:39:00 -
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I have reconsidered my simple solution for an even simpler one:
Remove combat missions from high sec. All those nasty pirate battleships have no place in CONCORD's fluffy wonderland anyway.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.25 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I have reconsidered my simple solution for an even simpler one:
Remove combat missions from high sec. All those nasty pirate battleships have no place in CONCORD's fluffy wonderland anyway.
woop paving the way for chribba happy train :)
now arriving at platform WIN
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BPOWhore
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Elissa I was in a L4 mission today and this dude in a probe zips in and starts salvaging all my wrecks. To my amazement, that apparently is not "stealing". Hmmm??? If it weren't for MY missiles, those wrecks would not be there... what gives... that is total BS. Since I am in 0.5 high-sec; I of course have ZERO recourse since Concord will swoop in and destroy me for killing a thief. And, of course the thief would then loot me too.
That's BS!
1. Mission in lowsec 2. Blow up salvager 3. ???? 4. Proffit.
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: aka Ishur ****IN THE RARE EVENT THAT THE OP IS NOT A TROLL****
OP: When posting on the forums there are a few steps you need to consider before posting in order to avoid being called a troll. (Doesn't stop you being flamed though for stupid ideas)
1) Consider the topic - does it concern a method of playing that others may have done before. (missioning in your case) - if yes consult evesearch before posting.
2) Decide whether you want to troll.
If you skip step 1 people assume you have answered yes to step 2. Simple.
Posting and you.
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Constable Chang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr Why doesn't ninja salvaging break the risk vs reward equation everybody loves to tout in this forum?
There is plenty of risk in salvaging.
Try going into L4 missions in nothing but a t1 frigate with nothing but probe launcher, afterburner, nanos and *maybe* a shield extender or something.
Its not hard to get popped by the mission rats or explosions or gas clouds etc.
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Osvint Gluda
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:38:00 -
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less than 2 weeks old and im e-famous already!
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temponita
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Elissa I was in a L4 mission today and this dude in a probe zips in and starts salvaging all my wrecks. To my amazement, that apparently is not "stealing". Hmmm??? If it weren't for MY missiles, those wrecks would not be there... what gives... that is total BS. Since I am in 0.5 high-sec; I of course have ZERO recourse since Concord will swoop in and destroy me for killing a thief. And, of course the thief would then loot me too.
That's BS!
I've been missioning for over a year now and I've never once seen or lost a single wreck to these so called Ninja Salvagers... My oppinion is that the ninja profession is a product of noobs and fantasy. And I doubt it has any impact on the reality of the gameplay, otherwise, "someone" at "sometime" would have at least tried to salvage some of the 3500 wrecks from under me don't you think?
Case and point, get a marauder and be done with it. There's a reason these so called Ninja Salvagers don't have any credible stories of Marauder interceptions anyways.
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Osvint Gluda
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Posted - 2009.06.25 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Constable Chang
Originally by: Ana Vyr Why doesn't ninja salvaging break the risk vs reward equation everybody loves to tout in this forum?
There is plenty of risk in salvaging.
Try going into L4 missions in nothing but a t1 frigate with nothing but probe launcher, afterburner, nanos and *maybe* a shield extender or something.
Its not hard to get popped by the mission rats or explosions or gas clouds etc.
actually all i have is a probe launcher, 1 salvager, an afterburner, a cpu boosting thing, and 800k sp :(
the cash is awesome tho, ive made nearly 100mil isk in about 5 hours playtime |
Tippia
Raddick Explorations Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 25/06/2009 21:05:37
Originally by: Elissa Oh I'm sorry. Perhaps I should have read through the 2,056,345 posts on this board first.
No, but you could have tried the wiki, the knowledge base or the player guide…
Quote: So sorry that I have been away from the game for a year.
No, since it's been like this for (far) more than a year and you should know it already. |
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:13:00 -
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i know to stop the constant trolls and whines how about ccp just removed salvage from eve then there will be no salvage for the ninja to ""steal"" so good old runner dosnt loose any of his hard earned isk
how dose that sound |
Stealnutz
Mean Angry Squirrels
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: temponita
Originally by: Elissa I was in a L4 mission today and this dude in a probe zips in and starts salvaging all my wrecks. To my amazement, that apparently is not "stealing". Hmmm??? If it weren't for MY missiles, those wrecks would not be there... what gives... that is total BS. Since I am in 0.5 high-sec; I of course have ZERO recourse since Concord will swoop in and destroy me for killing a thief. And, of course the thief would then loot me too.
That's BS!
I've been missioning for over a year now and I've never once seen or lost a single wreck to these so called Ninja Salvagers... My oppinion is that the ninja profession is a product of noobs and fantasy. And I doubt it has any impact on the reality of the gameplay, otherwise, "someone" at "sometime" would have at least tried to salvage some of the 3500 wrecks from under me don't you think?
Case and point, get a marauder and be done with it. There's a reason these so called Ninja Salvagers don't have any credible stories of Marauder interceptions anyways.
Heard the term 'Butt-hurt Marauder pilot' lately? Marauder my ass, those things are a piece of **** to ninja from. |
Kat Bandeis
Caldari Primagen Research Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:17:00 -
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It's fine just the way it is, no changes needed. CCP has said numerous times in the past that wrecks belong to no one, so can be salvaged. Taking the LOOT, on the other hand, is theft, and earns you aggro. Don't like it? Go back to WoW.
Can't believe people still argue about this crap despite what THE CREATORS OF THE GAME HAVE STATED IN THE PAST. Don't like it? Salvage as you go along; always works for me.
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Kat Bandeis
Caldari Primagen Research Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gin G i know to stop the constant trolls and whines how about ccp just removed salvage from eve then there will be no salvage for the ninja to ""steal"" so good old runner dosnt loose any of his hard earned isk
how dose that sound
Sounds like nerf-like crap. Salvaging is a valid profession in Eve, just like missioning. Want to remove salvage? Remove missioning, too.
"how dose that sound"? :)
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Constable Chang
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.06.25 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Stealnutz
Originally by: temponita
Originally by: Elissa I was in a L4 mission today and this dude in a probe zips in and starts salvaging all my wrecks. To my amazement, that apparently is not "stealing". Hmmm??? If it weren't for MY missiles, those wrecks would not be there... what gives... that is total BS. Since I am in 0.5 high-sec; I of course have ZERO recourse since Concord will swoop in and destroy me for killing a thief. And, of course the thief would then loot me too.
That's BS!
I've been missioning for over a year now and I've never once seen or lost a single wreck to these so called Ninja Salvagers... My oppinion is that the ninja profession is a product of noobs and fantasy. And I doubt it has any impact on the reality of the gameplay, otherwise, "someone" at "sometime" would have at least tried to salvage some of the 3500 wrecks from under me don't you think?
Case and point, get a marauder and be done with it. There's a reason these so called Ninja Salvagers don't have any credible stories of Marauder interceptions anyways.
Heard the term 'Butt-hurt Marauder pilot' lately? Marauder my ass, those things are a piece of **** to ninja from.
Yeah whats with that?
I ninja'd from a marauder pilot the other day.
He was very civilised about it too.
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Gin G
Halls Of Valhalla
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Posted - 2009.06.25 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kat Bandeis
Originally by: Gin G i know to stop the constant trolls and whines how about ccp just removed salvage from eve then there will be no salvage for the ninja to ""steal"" so good old runner dosnt loose any of his hard earned isk
how dose that sound
Sounds like nerf-like crap. Salvaging is a valid profession in Eve, just like missioning. Want to remove salvage? Remove missioning, too.
"how dose that sound"? :)
sounds good as none of us will have to out up with the constant OMG nanja stole ma salvage and i cant d nuthing whines
when can ccp put it in ************ are you getting your 5 a day. |
Some Advisor
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Posted - 2009.06.25 22:49:00 -
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but then MOAR ppl will whine because "eve is all PvP and i hate PvP" :P
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:25:00 -
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Add criminal flagging to salvaging wrecks you/your corp didn't create. The ones who want to fight/gank runners won't care, the runners who won't fight either way won't care, the ones who might not have fought before have the chance they want...ohwate, the poor lil gankbears who just wanna grief with no risk for their salvage will be sad...TOO BAD!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:34:00 -
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ITT: Hi-sec mission runners complaining about other people making ISK for no risk.
Next up: George Soros thinks "people have too much money these days".
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Whineroy
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis I have reconsidered my simple solution for an even simpler one:
Remove combat missions from high sec. All those nasty pirate battleships have no place in CONCORD's fluffy wonderland anyway.
I've got an even better solution. Remove all hypocritical ganker-nerd whiners from game. Especially those morons who insist that L4 missions are "too easy ISK" and "no risk involved" in a game with GTC-to-RL- money trade, loads of macros/bots and full of alt spies/thieves/etc. that cannot be traced to main character. In particular remove those hypocritical whiners if they keep whining about how one way of risk-free ISK (L4 missions) is bad but another way of risk-free ISK (ninja salvaging said L4 missions) is perfectly acceptable. |
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