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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
I second this.
+1 share --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Icaly
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Posted - 2009.11.21 15:16:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Icaly I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
Msg sent
ISK received and shares sent thank you
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Icaly
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Icaly I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
Msg sent
ISK received and shares sent thank you
Shares received, Thanks.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.11.29 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Titans 4U LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW and is currently priced at 10 BILLION ISK.
Buy it or bump it in this thread!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.11.30 08:07:00 -
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I keep getting enquiries about purchasing the Avatar and Erebus BPCs, which will not be ready for some time. The issue with this is that I am hopefull that BPC prices will recover a little in the future so it is difficult to pitch a price effectively. Therefore I am generally going for a proposal whereby a deposit is paid and a maximum price is agreed but if the "market price" at the time of sale is substantially lower we will adjust the final price to compensate. We still get a non-refundable deposit on these sales far in advance, so I feel the deal is fairly balanced.
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dickk vandyke
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:35:00 -
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I need cash for a business opportunity before Dominion downtime so im willing to sell my 1000 shares for 95% of original value. Convo me in game if you are interested
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: ****k vandyke I need cash for a business opportunity before Dominion downtime so im willing to sell my 1000 shares for 95% of original value. Convo me in game if you are interested
message sent
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Backpack tiem
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:58:00 -
[1208]
My first investment Hope titans get boosted yes! Shares received kthnx
PD: haiku FTL
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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:03:00 -
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Damn you breaker! Greedy bastard!
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 30/11/2009 23:07:35
Originally by: Sama's Minion Damn you breaker! Greedy bastard!
I didn't buy them. Was wanting ISK before Dominion and I only had half of it in ISK
Oh well I'll find more soonÖ
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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:15:00 -
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he just scammed me out of 760M ^^ was tired, should have used bobby as 3rd party :(
-Ji Sama
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CaptainBRO
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:35:00 -
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There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainBRO There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
Plenty of buyers, but has to wait until after patch (servers going down in 1 1/2 hrs) and has to use Bad Bobby to transfer them, let me know if interested.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.12.01 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: CaptainBRO There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
Look at what happened to Ji, don't send isk without the shares, guys.
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dickk vandyke
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Posted - 2009.12.01 16:13:00 -
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And they said Titans 4U didnt pay
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:07:00 -
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so whats going on with this? havent heard anything --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: BlackMail so whats going on with this? havent heard anything
It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.03 06:28:00 -
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If you invested you want to hope that the Titan BPC market rebounds or this won't be paying out much at all.
EBANK also hopes the market rebounds as about 50% of their monthly income comes from this too.
I would seriously doubt that a Titan BPO would even be worth NPC price.
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Grozen
Caldari Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.03 08:47:00 -
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Titans did get a nasty nerf but its too soon to say how the market manage in 2010.Only time will show. knowledge is power |
Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:20:00 -
[1220]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
If the Titan BPC market dies we will liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
If you were to liquidate now, what percentage would you be able to recover - max and min?
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:30:00 -
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Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve. Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:40:00 -
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This is meant to be a long term investment. There has only been one bpc produced so far, unfortunately that came out of the oven just before Dominion was due. I'm not surprised noone bought the bpc then (noone could be sure how the Dominion changes would work in practice). After Dominion there was a 2 week wait before the new sov mechanics were fully in place. Its only been this past weekend where there have been (as far as I know) major battles with Titans on the field (as opposed to being used for bridging) on both sides.
For those that have missed it there have been two big fights in Fountain. The first was IT attempting to take down a TCU to prevent GS/PL/SOT getting sov in a station system. This battle included 10 titans defending and 5 attacking. The second was last night/this morning with IT defending this time while they waited for their TCU to online in another station system. As far as I can tell there were 10+ IT titans defending and an unknown number of PL titans attacking. What is known is there were 4 PL titans killed (first titans killed since Dominion afaik).
This just proves that _any_ project involving titans is going to be long term - it takes 3 months to produce a copy or add a lvl of me and I don't know how long to actually build one. Alliances seem to have been holding them back until they had a better idea of how things work in Dominion, now they are being used in large numbers again I'd expect more demand for bpcs.
Kithran
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Grozen
Caldari Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:55:00 -
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Im my own opinion i think most large alliances will still lose titans but the ones that have 1-2 or two would wait for the upcoming lag fix that has to go trough some testing first.So the price could get stable again in few months. knowledge is power |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Varo Jan
How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
Chill.
4-5 titans just exploded this morning
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve. Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D
There are two exit strategies: 1. Hit by a bus - very clear. 2. BPC market dies - very imprecise.
All I¦m suggesting is that the latter strategy is given more substance, otherwise there will be perpetual arguments. "It is dead!" "No, it¦s just a cycle." "Yeahbut, the NEXT expansion will buff Titans." "Yeahbut...."
"If no BPCs are sold in two years, we will liquidate," or "If only one BPC is sold in a year, we will liquidate." Something like that, perhaps?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:26:00 -
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I agree Varo :D
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: BlackMail so whats going on with this? havent heard anything
There hasn't been much to report. Research and copying of the BPOs has been proceeding as planned and no sales have been made due to the current state of the Titan market.
Originally by: Breaker77 It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling
I smell manipulation.
Originally by: Varo Jan How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
Much longer.
The Titan has been substantially rebalanced in the recent patch and while this is a nerf from their previous potency it hasn't made them useless and has made them more prone to being used in the kind of engagements where they are liable to be destroyed. Titans will continue to be used and lost and as time goes on they will be used and lost in even greater numbers. Those losses will need to be replaced and a portion of those replacements will be produced from Titan BPCs.
In addition to the rebalance which has given pause to both Titan pilots and manufacturers, we have seen a complete overhaul of sov mechanics which has drastically changed the 0.0 landscape that Titans are customarily employed and produced within. Add on the bug/lag effect that is currently experienced in 0.0 in any sizable fleet action which is making many fleet engagements a very one sided affair and giving fleet commanders good reasons not to employ large quantities of the more expensive capital assets... it's not at all suprising that the Titan market has taken a nosedive.
However, once the lag has been fixed and the Titan and sov changes have been fully adjusted to we are going to see a return of the frequent Titan lossmail and an associated improvement in the Titan market. We're already seeing evidence of this. It remains to be seen how far the rebound in the Titan market will go and how profitable BPC production will be long term, but this is definately not the end for Titans.
We need to give it a few more months at least.
Originally by: Varo Jan If you were to liquidate now, what percentage would you be able to recover - max and min?
I'd have to look at the sales of Titan BPOs to give a price on that, but I'd say that now is probably the worst time to sell one.
In addition to selling the BPOs, it's worth remembering that ME research on the BPOs and the copying to produce BPCs takes 4 months per run, to terminate the operation part way through means to lose all the progress to that point. It would make sense to plan for liquidation so that we can do it as each BPO completes a cycle so that we have BPCs to sell (at firesale prices if needed) and ME1 BPOs to sell at better prices than ME0 examples.
Originally by: Varo Jan
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.
Now I do understand your concerns, even though I believe the current situation is temporary, so I'll formulate a liquidation plan that fits in with the current research and copying schedule. That plan will have milestone dates where it makes sense to decide wether we put a BPO back in for another run or take it to Jita for liquidation. We can then discuss the matter prior to each of those milestones so that I can make a decision.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:44:00 -
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I'm in it for the long term so don't wind it up any time soon we always knew it would take an age -- | Capital |
Dalden V
Enigmatic Inventions
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Posted - 2010.01.05 13:01:00 -
[1229]
Are there still any shares available, or someone wanting to sell theirs?
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.05 14:23:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.
I¦m confused. I thought trustees were put in place to mitigate against the risk of you scarpering?
Quote: Now I do understand your concerns, even though I believe the current situation is temporary, so I'll formulate a liquidation plan that fits in with the current research and copying schedule. That plan will have milestone dates where it makes sense to decide wether we put a BPO back in for another run or take it to Jita for liquidation. We can then discuss the matter prior to each of those milestones so that I can make a decision.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. No doubt there will always be conflicting opinions on the market, so I¦d suggest you consider another less emotive angle. This project has always been touted as a long term investment, and rightly so. However, any project should have a minimum rate of return. The current benchmark for an ultra-safe investment is BMBE bonds, paying 3% monthly. This project has risks, all of which you have outlined previously, so the return ought to be higher - and I¦d suggest 100 basis points is very reasonable. In other words, if you have not and do not expect to make at least 4% monthly, you should liquidate.
No doubt some will argue that number. But it would give you a more solid, less nebulous framework to operate in.
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