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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.06.26 05:56:00 -
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• Chapter 1 - Summary of Titans For You • Chapter 2 - Background • Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance • Chapter 4 - Business Plan • Chapter 5 - Statement of Assets • Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks • Chapter 7 - Regarding Disclosure of Main and Alts • Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy • Chapter 9 - Offering Details • Chapter 10 - Launch Process
Chapter 1 - Summary of Titans For You
Titans For You <T4U> is a newly created corporation with the sole purpose of buying Titan BPOs, copying them to make BPCs and selling those BPCs.
Chapter 2 - Background
Most of you in MD will know me as Bad Bobby, some of you will know me by other names more relevant to my PvP activities in EVE.
I have invested in, launched, managed and secured a variety of ventures in MD over the years including:
Ugly Toys Holdings Discussion and IPO Ugly Toys Holdings BOND Small Gods Secured TMPI Secured
I am the CEO of Ugly Toys <UGLY.>, Ugly Toys Holdings <UGLYH>, Bring Me Sunshine <BPCS>, The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels <TDRS> and Titans For You <T4U>.
Those that have been involved in Factional Warfare on the Amarr or Minmatar side will know me as Joe Public in The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. At the height of our activity we were the highest performing corp in the Amarr militia dispite the fact we had less than 20 memebers. While TDRS still remains in FW, it is not active in that area anymore as we and are now focused on Piracy and Wormhole exploitation.
Furthermore, I am a director in the newly relaunched Firetech <FireT> that is currently making life more interesting for the inhabitants of Geminate and the surrounding low-sec.
Ugly Toys, for which I am best known in MD, was founded in the dim and distant past in order to provide additional funding for my PvP corps and their activities. We joined the ZZZ alliance and have maintained a network of high sec POSes both publicly and privately funded with excellent results, investors in Ugly Toys Holdings have benefited from the profits generated.
Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
I am CEO and sole member of Titans For You.
I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trustees:
Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 Kazzac Elentria
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp.
There will be no other directors or members with significant roles. |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.06.26 05:58:00 -
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Reserved |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.06.26 05:59:00 -
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Reserved |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.06.26 05:59:00 -
[4]
Reserved |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.06.26 06:00:00 -
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Reserved |
Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.06.26 06:08:00 -
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Confirming I will be acting as a trustee using a super secret alt character. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.26 06:45:00 -
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Confirming that Titans 4U is me and this venture is being run by me.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.26 06:50:00 -
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I now declare this launch open and I am taking RESERVATIONS ONLY and NO ISK IS TO BE SENT TO ANYONE at this time.
Discussion can occur here or in the discussion thread it is entirely up to you, but I think it's better to keep it all in one place.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:13:00 -
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Can I reserve 100mil isk worth of shares?
Cheers
Kithran
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:14:00 -
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reserving 200 shares
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby I now declare this launch open and I am taking RESERVATIONS ONLY and NO ISK IS TO BE SENT TO ANYONE at this time.
Discussion can occur here or in the discussion thread it is entirely up to you, but I think it's better to keep it all in one place.
Sorry to interupt but that links back to this thread. I belive this is the proper link.?
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Nib
Originally by: Bad Bobby I now declare this launch open and I am taking RESERVATIONS ONLY and NO ISK IS TO BE SENT TO ANYONE at this time.
Discussion can occur here or in the discussion thread it is entirely up to you, but I think it's better to keep it all in one place.
Sorry to interupt but that links back to this thread. I belive this is the proper link.?
Doh! Fixed it now.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Piezochem
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:27:00 -
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Reserving 10 shares. |
Yukon Kornelius
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Posted - 2009.06.26 07:58:00 -
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Please reserve 2,000 shares for me.
Regards,
Yukon Kornelius |
Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:02:00 -
[15]
I'll reserve 100 shares (100 million ISK) worth as well please |
Valnurana
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:29:00 -
[16]
Reserving 50 shares please. |
veldak hieranat
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:35:00 -
[17]
I'd like to reserve 1000 shares (1B ISK). Thanks
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Luna Leecher
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:44:00 -
[18]
Reserving 100 Shares please. |
Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:49:00 -
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Please reserve me 100 shares (100,000,000 ISK).
Thanks. |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.26 08:54:00 -
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This is such a ripoff.
My first IPO was called CAP4U(Capitals For you).
As such, I shall invest to the tune of 1 share. Please reserve that for me |
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Gabriel Virtus on 26/06/2009 09:03:24 Enjoy losing 1% of total revenue from the project to people who essentially do nothing at all. While Bad Bobby does have a decent reputation in MD, He has never held this kind of ISK before. This is not a low risk investment and the return is low. Quick everyone, get in on the "trusted MD" circ-jerk.
The problem with this sort of investment, without worrying about scamming, is that it will take YEARS to recover the initial investment. We as a community do not know the condition of the titan market a year from now. CCP might nerf titans, or make them less appealing, in which case the returns will be even lower. There are many such ventures that have been proposed and in the coming months I am sure that Titan BPOs will become more and more supplied while the demand for titans is relatively constant.
In summary:
1.Scam risk, while small, is there. BB has never been trusted with this amount of ISK before. Not even close. We should try and limit the total public assets one person has at any one time. While people will respond with ôthe BPOs will be locked down,ö the man will still receive the liquid ISK and/or transport the BPOs.
2.Market is volatile without CCP intervention. In the coming months, more and more Titan BPCs will be supplied. With such a long investment frontier, these sort of long term problems are very relevant.
3.CCP might nerf titans causing the demand for Titan BPOs and BPCs to drop and lowering already low returns.
4.With this sort of money on the line, wardecs could cause significant risk to already low returns.
5.The board is receiving 4% of revenue. 1% of 120B over a year is 1.2B for essentially doing nothing and also raising the risk of security leak.
BB and Titans 4U is not above scrutiny. This will have very low returns on ISK that will be invested over a long period of time with very limited liquidity. The only reason this might succeed is due to Bad BobbyÆs reputation and/or the recent problems with banks.
Returns are too low to justify risks.
-GV
edit: I would like to reserve 10 shares :)
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:11:00 -
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if im correct and we have 45 days from now to get the isk ready i would like to reserve 25B worth of bonds!
TMPI |
Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:12:00 -
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This is a historic opportunity.
Reserve 3 (three) shares for me please!
FREE! jumpclone service: Forum thread|Podlog |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:14:00 -
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Gabriel, your concerns are all correct, valid and have been detailed in the IPO document and related discussion thread.
However, this one is not accurate:
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus 5.The board is receiving 4% of revenue. 1% of 120B over a year is 1.2B for essentially doing nothing and also raising the risk of security leak.
3 of the 4 trustees have elected to perform this function for free. The 4th may yet do so, although they are under absolutely no pressure from me to make that choice as I feel that the level of payment involved is reasonable for the effort. Obviously I expect more isk per unit of effort than many others do, so everyone's opinion on that will differ.
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus I would like to reserve 10 shares :)
This I believe is the right way to approach an investment oppertunity, consider the risks, don't ignore them and invest what you think is approriate considering those risks.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ji Sama on 26/06/2009 09:14:47 am i correct when i say the majority of the board has forfeitet their payment for dividend payout...?
edit: bobby answered this already!
TMPI |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista I shall invest to the tune of 1 share. Please reserve that for me
You cheap bastard.
Originally by: Ji Sama if im correct and we have 45 days from now to get the isk ready i would like to reserve 25B worth of bonds!
You can assume that you have 30 days to get the isk ready, not 45. The last 15 days will involve people handing over their isk in stages so we can purchase BPOs. I will take this reservation for now, just let me know if the amount needs to be revised. |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:19:00 -
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rgr, ill hold the investment, and start liquidating. |
Gabriel Virtus
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby Gabriel, your concerns are all correct, valid and have been detailed in the IPO document and related discussion thread.
I thought putting a summation of many topics raised in that thread in the IPO thread is a good idea. I am not trying to bust your balls... well yes I am because everyone should have their balls busted when wanted public monies. The risks are valid and should be considered.
Originally by: Bad Bobby This I believe is the right way to approach an investment oppertunity, consider the risks, don't ignore them and invest what you think is approriate considering those risks.
I wanted 10 shares because I want to own a small piece of Bad Bobby. Mostly so I can ***** and moan about everything and be legitimized because I am an investor.
-GV |
Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:26:00 -
[29]
100 shares please
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:34:00 -
[30]
Thanks for ansewring my question, I'd like to reserve 40 shares please.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Phoenix Pryde
Caldari 3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:46:00 -
[31]
another try, eh ?
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Eiroze
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:46:00 -
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Edited by: Eiroze on 26/06/2009 09:48:57
I'll take 7.5B worth of shares (7500).
- Kouryusei, whom is too lazy to change accounts this morning.
Edit: Best of luck with this venture, you're definitely one of the few people I have the utmost faith in. :)
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.06.26 09:49:00 -
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I can't not be a part of this. Put me down for 100.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.06.26 10:14:00 -
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Put me down for 250 mil. If the expected ROI had been a bit higher i'd have dropped a few bill but I can't tie up that much on this rate. |
Freya Lorell
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Posted - 2009.06.26 10:35:00 -
[35]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares. |
Jadun
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:09:00 -
[36]
yo ho
i would like to reserve 2000 shares
best wishes jadun |
Felax Thurin
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:12:00 -
[37]
Reserve 300 shares |
Breaker77
Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:14:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Titans 4U 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista
I'll take 9 to make up for it. |
tre introv
Set Sail For Fail
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:15:00 -
[39]
Reserving 1000 shares equivalent to 1bil isk
Thanks. |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:33:00 -
[40]
I'll Take 1000 shares -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
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Hunlight Faithus
Fatal Error.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:38:00 -
[41]
50million isk worth of shares please. ------------------------------------------------------
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Mienka
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:39:00 -
[42]
Reserving 50 shares please.
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.06.26 11:53:00 -
[43]
reserving 2000 shares |
Necropski
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Necropski on 26/06/2009 12:00:36 Reserving 100 Shares for 100mil ISK. |
eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:07:00 -
[45]
2000 Shares, I won't have the liquid isk until about July 12th though. -----
POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES |
Micge
FireTech
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:15:00 -
[46]
would like to reserve 2000 shares
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Cinta Verick
Amarr 4th Dimension Investments
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:15:00 -
[47]
Reserve me 250 shares (250m isk).
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Selinus
Amarr The Penumbra Initiative Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:20:00 -
[48]
Reserve me 50 shares. 50m isk! |
Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.06.26 12:26:00 -
[49]
Confirming that I'll be superman with the shares and have a clark kent in the corporation
...and Im in for 1b |
Iron Golem
Third Return Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:07:00 -
[50]
Reserving 50 shares. |
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Icaly
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:32:00 -
[51]
Hi
Please put me down for 250 Shares Please (250M)
Good Luck & Thanks
Icaly |
Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:34:00 -
[52]
Reserving 20 billion worth please.
Emmgel |
Xiu Liang
Xiu Liang Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:45:00 -
[53]
Our board has met and determined that your enterprise is worth supporting. We would like to reserve 500 bonds for 500,000,000 ISK. We look forward to doing business with you.
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:54:00 -
[54]
Reserving 1000 shares or 1b worth of stuff
hooray, my first IPO :)
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.26 13:57:00 -
[55]
I'd like 1b worth of shares please. |
Banni Vinda
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Posted - 2009.06.26 14:25:00 -
[56]
In for fifty(50) shares |
Dzil
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.26 14:25:00 -
[57]
Well, the interest rate is a bit low: but I'm feeling a need to be a part of this too.
Please put me down for 200 shares (200m isk).
Here's to hoping CCP buffs titans!
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Drall Warsong
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.26 14:46:00 -
[58]
I'll reserve 250 shares. |
Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:15:00 -
[59]
Put me down for 2000
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EBANK Athre
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:15:00 -
[60]
Pending board permission please reserve 10b for EBANK
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Viilaa
Caldari Outland Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:22:00 -
[61]
I've been waiting to get in a Bad Bobby IPO so put me down for 500 shares.
Viilaa
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Moon Dogg
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:24:00 -
[62]
Please reserve 300 shares for Moon Dogg. |
Calipha
Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:32:00 -
[63]
Reserve 300 shares for Calipha please.
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Zaepho
Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:39:00 -
[64]
I'd like 200 shares please |
Anastasia Heron
Amarr Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.26 15:41:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Anastasia Heron on 26/06/2009 15:41:11 Please reserve 500 shares (which according to Excel is 500m ISK).
Oh, and reserve them for me, obviously. |
Bob Puz
Puz Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.26 16:33:00 -
[66]
Please reserve 100 shares for Puz Inc.
Thank you
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Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.26 16:36:00 -
[67]
Reserve 9 shares for me so LVV's 1 doesn't screw you up.
Packtu'sa Founder/CEO, Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp [NCIC] |
Worken Gasive
Nightwing Transit Inc. Codemonkey Construction Project
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Posted - 2009.06.26 16:39:00 -
[68]
500 shares for me.
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.26 16:49:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista
I'll take 9 to make up for it.
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Reserve 9 shares for me so LVV's 1 doesn't screw you up.
D'oh! Breaker77 got it already. Err... reserve me 7.
You crazy cheap bastards... Reserve 183 shares to even them out to a round 200.
MDD |
EBANK SencneS
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2009.06.26 16:50:00 -
[70]
Edited by: EBANK SencneS on 26/06/2009 16:50:42
Originally by: EBANK Athre Pending board permission please reserve 10b for EBANK
This has been approved by the Board, I am posting on behalf of EBANK Athre as she had to leave for work.
Consider this 10B approved.
Edit:- Removed 1 Letter... :( |
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SencneS
Amarr Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:04:00 -
[71]
Slap me down ONE BILLION ISK! my good man!
Amarr for Life |
Andron Blaxcor
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:06:00 -
[72]
I couldn't not be part of this. Reserve 200 shares for me please.
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:21:00 -
[73]
put me down for 2000 shares
Gareth
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Du'Kar
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:32:00 -
[74]
Put me down for 30 shares please. |
Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:32:00 -
[75]
Reserve 4000 shares for me. |
Packtu'sa
Nabaal Construction and Industrials Corp Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:40:00 -
[76]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista
I'll take 9 to make up for it.
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Reserve 9 shares for me so LVV's 1 doesn't screw you up.
D'oh! Breaker77 got it already. Err... reserve me 7.
You crazy cheap bastards... Reserve 183 shares to even them out to a round 200.
Oh no! I was counterbalancing the 3 shares that someone else already reserved, but you just re-reserved them! |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:42:00 -
[77]
As you will well know already, Goonswarm are about to start round 2 of the Jihadswarm. As such they'll form organized high sec fleets to suicide gank miners and wardec high sec POS corporations.
How would you deal in case they pick your BPO POS and "siege" it with a force that might match your corporation's?
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Vernex
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:50:00 -
[78]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares.
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MailDeadDrop
Globaltech Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.26 17:56:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista
I'll take 9 to make up for it.
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Reserve 9 shares for me so LVV's 1 doesn't screw you up.
D'oh! Breaker77 got it already. Err... reserve me 7.
You crazy cheap bastards... Reserve 183 shares to even them out to a round 200.
Oh no! I was counterbalancing the 3 shares that someone else already reserved, but you just re-reserved them!
Well, if true, I hearby grant Bad Bobby (or designee) the authority to reduce my reservation by up to 3 shares if they wish.
MDD |
Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:19:00 -
[80]
Wow, this is going fast!!
I'd like 1000 shares!
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Alaki Kant
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:32:00 -
[81]
Reserving 400 shares |
Havok Pierce
Gallente Crushed Ambitions
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:43:00 -
[82]
300 Share reservation requested.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler There's a Community petition category??
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Skarii TuThess
Maelstrom Crew
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:54:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Viktor Raybach Put me down for 250 mil. If the expected ROI had been a bit higher i'd have dropped a few bill but I can't tie up that much on this rate.
The ROI is at a lower than 'usual' level for the first year because of the decision to raise the BPOs to ME1 at the outset. It was felt by Bobby that any year 1 loss in revenue was worth the potential increase in value and the additional ROI from the higher sale value of the ME1 BPCs.
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Azrel
Kyoha Shinto
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Posted - 2009.06.26 19:56:00 -
[84]
put me down for 1500 shares
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2009.06.26 20:20:00 -
[85]
1000 shares please
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Ronaldo Carrare
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:23:00 -
[86]
50 shares. |
Magnus Orin
Minmatar Heavy Influence Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 21:30:00 -
[87]
reserving 100 shares That said, I disagree with the OP.
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Seth Calhoun
Amarr Knights Of Void
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Posted - 2009.06.26 22:29:00 -
[88]
I shall reserve 20 shares. |
Vilgan i'Lakin
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Posted - 2009.06.26 23:39:00 -
[89]
10 shares please.
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Conventia Underking
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.26 23:53:00 -
[90]
I would like to reserve 5,000 shares (5 billion isk).
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Daeris Milvaer
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Posted - 2009.06.27 00:41:00 -
[91]
I'll reserve 200 shares
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tendao
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Posted - 2009.06.27 04:07:00 -
[92]
I'd like to reserve 500 (500 mil) shares please.
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Oxigun
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Posted - 2009.06.27 06:32:00 -
[93]
3,500 shares for me please |
Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.06.27 07:00:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Stardust CEO on 27/06/2009 07:02:42
5000 shares, please.
Edit - Also, a question: Do you foresee yourself voluntarily buying back shares at any particular time (ie, after X interest payments, or whatever)? |
tendao
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:11:00 -
[95]
Oops didn't update my post in time. Please put me in for an additional 500 shares (1000 total) thanks! |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.27 08:47:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Stardust CEO Edited by: Stardust CEO on 27/06/2009 07:02:42
5000 shares, please.
Edit - Also, a question: Do you foresee yourself voluntarily buying back shares at any particular time (ie, after X interest payments, or whatever)?
We will liquidate all the IPOs assets and distribute all the isk to shareholders when the time comes to close the IPO, but a buyback before that point is unlikely.
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Illushin Andropov
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Posted - 2009.06.27 10:19:00 -
[97]
put me down for 1500 shares
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.06.27 11:16:00 -
[98]
1,000 shares |
Felax Thurin
Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:23:00 -
[99]
further 200 for me pls
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Archielaus
Caldari Interstellar Hackers with Guns
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:25:00 -
[100]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares
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Caleb Ayrania
Gallente TarNec
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:30:00 -
[101]
Hmm should it not have been TIT4U ?
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:34:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Hmm should it not have been TIT4U ?
Would still be a bloody ripoff of CAP4U.
Are you going to pay royalties to me, Bobby? |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.27 12:37:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Hmm should it not have been TIT4U ?
I was thinking along similar lines but the one I wanted was already taken.
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khan sheidoh
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:21:00 -
[104]
put me down for 250 shares please...
good luck, Khan |
Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.06.27 13:43:00 -
[105]
Reserve me another 150 shares (150,000,000 ISK) please.
(In addition to the 100 reserved here, now 250 shares in total).
Thanks. --
DesuSigs |
Kithran
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Posted - 2009.06.27 14:33:00 -
[106]
Can I reserve another 100 shares (which should make 100 in block 1 and 100 in block 2)
Cheers
Kithran
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Shae Laurel
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Posted - 2009.06.27 15:29:00 -
[107]
I would like to reserve 700 shares. |
glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.06.27 16:26:00 -
[108]
put me down for 100 shares. |
Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.06.28 08:12:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Stardust CEO Edited by: Stardust CEO on 27/06/2009 07:02:42
5000 shares, please.
Edit - Also, a question: Do you foresee yourself voluntarily buying back shares at any particular time (ie, after X interest payments, or whatever)?
Presumably shares will be tradeable when this is up and running?(weak excuse to bump) |
Roastedpot
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.06.28 08:45:00 -
[110]
10 shares please
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.06.28 09:17:00 -
[111]
i'll take 200
thanks |
Apturan Reech
Liquid Inc. Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.06.28 11:30:00 -
[112]
I'll reserve 1800 shares, please. |
Valnurana
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.28 12:57:00 -
[113]
As I didn't edit in time I would like to reserve another 50 shares bringing my total up to 100 |
Kapila Parthalan
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.06.28 18:04:00 -
[114]
I would like to reserve 2,500 shares.
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Joshamee Gibbs
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.06.28 18:17:00 -
[115]
I would like to reserve 100 shares -------------
http://podlogs.com/enteringspace/ |
Mhagon
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Posted - 2009.06.28 20:18:00 -
[116]
200 shares for me |
Blurredweasel
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Posted - 2009.06.29 07:04:00 -
[117]
I'll reserve 100 shares.
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Thomas Windom
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Posted - 2009.06.29 12:31:00 -
[118]
I would like to reserve 50 shares.
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henkietankie
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Posted - 2009.06.29 13:33:00 -
[119]
I'd like to reserve 200 shares.
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2009.06.29 13:51:00 -
[120]
I would like to reserve 3,000 shares.
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tendao
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Posted - 2009.06.29 14:44:00 -
[121]
Edited by: tendao on 29/06/2009 14:46:06 [comment removed for being stupid]
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Biff Hanran
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Posted - 2009.06.29 14:55:00 -
[122]
I would like to reserve 100 shares.
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Malec Madain
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Posted - 2009.06.29 19:43:00 -
[123]
Reserving 300 shares thank you
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Mienka
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:08:00 -
[124]
I'd like to reserve another 50 shares please (so 50 in block 1 and 50 in block 2).
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Super Extremo
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:31:00 -
[125]
I'd like to reserve 20 shares please.
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Galal Dax
Young Enterprise DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.30 02:55:00 -
[126]
Reserving 200 shares please.
Thank you.
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Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.06.30 06:30:00 -
[127]
I guess i'll have 50 shares, just cos ive never invested before... _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Iced Earth
Caldari Goat Riders QUAFE Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 09:36:00 -
[128]
Reserving 25 shares
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Baar Luun
Asteroid League NOVA GOTISCHES IMPERIUM
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Posted - 2009.06.30 11:36:00 -
[129]
300 for me please
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PatchDay Blues
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Posted - 2009.06.30 12:53:00 -
[130]
I'd like to reserve 1000, however I'm not going to be here when you're going to be colelcing cash - is there a way I can pre-pay? or get a proxie to pay for me?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:05:00 -
[131]
Originally by: PatchDay Blues Edited by: PatchDay Blues on 30/06/2009 13:03:31 I'd like to reserve 1000, however I'm not going to be here when you're going to be collecting cash - is there a way I can pre-pay? or get a proxie to pay for me?
edit for speeling
Sure, you can send me the isk and I'll send you the shares when they are created.
For the sake of security I don't want everyone doing this, so the offer is only open to those that will not be available during the 15 day period where isk is going to be requested. If your funds are allocated to a block that does not complete I will refund your isk once the 30 day reservation period is over. Please, anyone who makes use of this facility, post in this thread to state you have done so and I will post to state that I have received the isk.
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PatchDay Blues
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:38:00 -
[132]
OK... Isk sent, Thanks
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Zumatra
Caldari Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 14:51:00 -
[133]
reserving 25 shares
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.06.30 15:09:00 -
[134]
3000 shares please ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:28:00 -
[135]
Originally by: PatchDay Blues OK... Isk sent, Thanks
Isk received.
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Ossey
Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:55:00 -
[136]
I would like to reserve 25 shares please...
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HirschG
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:13:00 -
[137]
put me down for 100 shares, please. -------------
Matari ships ARE the real deal |
GX307
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Posted - 2009.06.30 20:25:00 -
[138]
Reserve 10 shares for me please.
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takawage hotsuno
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Posted - 2009.06.30 20:47:00 -
[139]
Edited by: takawage hotsuno on 30/06/2009 20:49:55 Reserve 60 shares please EDIT -*Wrong character, I want the shares to go to Twundum, payment will come from that char too*
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:20:00 -
[140]
I'd like to reserve 750 shares.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:20:00 -
[141]
2000 shares for me please.
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Porcialina Blue
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Posted - 2009.06.30 23:20:00 -
[142]
Reserving 100 shares. |
ruskitrader
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Posted - 2009.07.01 03:18:00 -
[143]
reserve 25 shares please.
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.01 05:44:00 -
[144]
I'd like to reserve 10 shares please.
.
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BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2009.07.01 06:46:00 -
[145]
Throw me in for 100 (100m).
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries* this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris [red]Fixed it for you. Oh, bt |
Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2009.07.01 07:23:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Xi Khan on 01/07/2009 07:25:21 Please Reserve 200m isk woth of shares for me :)
*Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys Zzz
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Posted - 2009.07.01 09:26:00 -
[147]
We are only 3542m away from Titan BPO #2.
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Jacen Zar
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Posted - 2009.07.01 10:26:00 -
[148]
Reserving 100 shares.
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Marnurn
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Posted - 2009.07.01 10:29:00 -
[149]
Put me down for 5000 shares.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.07.01 11:23:00 -
[150]
By my calculation we are into block 3.
If so, please reserve me 125 shares (125,000,000 ISK) in block 3.
To go with the 100 shares in block 1, and 150 shares in block 2.
Thanks. --
DesuSigs |
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Stardust CEO
Stardust Manufacturing
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Posted - 2009.07.01 12:29:00 -
[151]
I regret that I must withdraw my 5000m reservation. My sincerest apologies.
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Freya Lorell
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Posted - 2009.07.01 12:55:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Marcus Baltar By my calculation we are into block 3.
If so, please reserve me 125 shares (125,000,000 ISK) in block 3.
To go with the 100 shares in block 1, and 150 shares in block 2.
Thanks.
You seem to want to invest in each block. I'm curious what your reasons are for doing this, as I do not see any benefit. Would you be so kind to satisfy my curiosity?
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Katiya Khadiija
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Posted - 2009.07.01 13:05:00 -
[153]
1000 shares. |
tre introv
Set Sail For Fail
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Posted - 2009.07.01 14:00:00 -
[154]
I would like to throw another 1bil in for 1000 shares :)
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BarryGibb
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Posted - 2009.07.01 17:48:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Stardust CEO I regret that I must withdraw my 5000m reservation. My sincerest apologies.
If the above stands correct and shares are now open in Block 2, I'd like to reserve 50 shares in Block 2.
I'd also like 50 shares in Block 3. Thank you
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:46:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Stardust CEO I regret that I must withdraw my 5000m reservation. My sincerest apologies.
il take another 1000 in block 2 taking my total in block 2 to 4000 ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Worken Gasive
Nightwing Transit Inc. Codemonkey Construction Project
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Posted - 2009.07.02 00:40:00 -
[157]
Due to some unfortunate in game happenings, I must cancel my 1000 share reservation. Sorry for any problems this may cause.
W. Gasive
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.02 08:10:00 -
[158]
If Block 2 comes up short I'll put up 2000 or fill it which ever is smaller [though I could be persuaded to do more depending on how much] No Sig for me anymore |
Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2009.07.02 11:40:00 -
[159]
Please put me down for 200 shares (200m) in block 3 to go with the 200 I have in block 2.
Thanks *Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.07.02 17:27:00 -
[160]
I would like to reserve 250 shares preference in whichever block is lower numbered, but wherever they fit, works.
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Sin Six
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Posted - 2009.07.02 18:15:00 -
[161]
250 shares please.
-Sin Six |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.03 11:03:00 -
[162]
Let me just clear up any confusion over the blocks...
Reservations are taken and added to the list in the order they are placed.
The only reason why I am showing the blocks in the reservation list is to help give us some idea of how full the offering is, but block positioning in the reservation list is only a guide and is subject to change as a result of withrawn reservations and no-shows.
You have no real choice about which block your resevation falls into.
The only difference between blocks is that a block that does not get completely filled will have all reservations that fall into it cancelled, so really you want to be in earliest block you can. There is no benefit from spreading your investment across multiple blocks.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.07.03 13:51:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Bad Bobby [snip]
The only difference between blocks is that a block that does not get completely filled will have all reservations that fall into it cancelled, so really you want to be in earliest block you can. There is no benefit from spreading your investment across multiple blocks.
There are actually two benefits I can see to spliting your investment across multiple blocks - you don't need to provide all your isk at once (could be relevant if you are liquidating something to provide the isk) and if there were a scam at the bpo purchase stage you would only lose part of your investment.
Not likely to be major benefits - the only reason I've ended up investing in two blocks was I had more isk available after I made the initial reservation.
Kithran
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Kharakan
Amarr The Synenose Accord
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:23:00 -
[164]
100 shares, please. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Beth Ann
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.03 16:41:00 -
[165]
Reservation of 500 shares, please.
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Coupe Soleil
Hitchhikers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:22:00 -
[166]
150 shares for me please
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D'ceet
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.03 18:53:00 -
[167]
10 shares please
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Akimori
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Posted - 2009.07.03 20:56:00 -
[168]
300 shares, please. |
Anli Niren
Niren Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.05 05:44:00 -
[169]
I would like to reserve 20 shares.
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Mikael Genexi
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Posted - 2009.07.05 05:46:00 -
[170]
250 shares please
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Vycera
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Posted - 2009.07.05 07:14:00 -
[171]
One of the things I like to know before any investment is the projected profit. For ease of number crunching, could you possibly tell me how much a 10% shareholder would make at the end of this? (and I understand it is speculative due to market fluctuations)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.05 08:10:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Vycera One of the things I like to know before any investment is the projected profit. For ease of number crunching, could you possibly tell me how much a 10% shareholder would make at the end of this? (and I understand it is speculative due to market fluctuations)
Ok, this is very speculative but assuming:
1. We get investment for all 4 BPOs 2. We suffer no losses 3. Titans don't get nerfed into the ground
We're looking at 2 BPCs in 4 months, 2 more BPCS in 8 months and 4 BPCs in 12 months. It' probably best not to try to project any further than that although our productivity would be much better in the second year.
Assuming a BPC profit of 15b (20b isn't uncommon today) then we get 120b after 1 year on 265b investment. Since 3 trustees are doing it for free, only 7% will be taken in staff costs, so as 93% of 120b = 111.6b, that's 42% return over the year or 3.5% return per month.
If you put 10% in (26.5b) then you would expect to have 37.63b after one year, a gain of 11.13b.
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Lezerinela
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Posted - 2009.07.05 10:04:00 -
[173]
I'll put down for 10 shares.
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Enihcam Xes
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Posted - 2009.07.05 16:44:00 -
[174]
Put me down for 5000 shares. You da man, bobby.
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Vycera
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Posted - 2009.07.05 18:13:00 -
[175]
Hm. So, if I did my math right, for every 1mil you put into this, you are (speculatively) gaining a return of 420,000isk a year. Thats not to terrible. the best gains are going to come in increments 100m,(10 shares) since your only about 8mil from getting a x1.5 on your investment. (100mil invested gets you back 142mil)
Now, if I could only have a spare 100mil laying around! >.<
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Zelseus
Minmatar The Independant Jack
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Posted - 2009.07.05 22:16:00 -
[176]
I would like to reserve 750 shares. |
MightyFearMan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.05 23:02:00 -
[177]
I would like to reserve 100 shares for 100m ISK. Thanks!
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.06 07:39:00 -
[178]
Just to clear any confusion about my stake - I'll be the last one in block 2 any people that come after can queue jump me I'm just here to make sure block 2 gets filled - I'll also do the same for Block 3 if it gets that far. how much will depend on a few things mind you ... No Sig for me anymore |
Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.07.06 07:53:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 03/07/2009 11:30:15
Reservation List
Block 1 70b FILLED . . . 1000 - Jilian Koll 70373 Total
. . .
Julian please. I do not know any Jilian :)
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Amoc Reel
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Posted - 2009.07.06 08:13:00 -
[180]
Reservation of 200 shares please |
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:41:00 -
[181]
Due to a change in plans I will be away for the next 2-3 months so I would like to cancel my reservation
Cheers Roguehalo
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:09:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Freya Lorell You seem to want to invest in each block. I'm curious what your reasons are for doing this, as I do not see any benefit. Would you be so kind to satisfy my curiosity?
Hope this explains things, not too good at expressing ideas at the moment, but here are a few reasons that tie in together and made sense to me at the time; If I was putting all the money down at the start and only 1 BPO (for example) is to be invested in seems like a big bind to me. Also placing a reserve in each BPO block means that more investors can be involved. The reserves I am placing I know I have the money available to fulfil, and did not necessarily have the total amount when the previous reserve was placed. Of course, there is also the limiting my exposure to potential scamming too.
Basically, I would like to reserve 125 million ISK in each BPO/block, but do not want to reserve 500 million if all four BPO are not invested in. I might also be willing to invest more, or less, when the time for paying comes. --
DesuSigs |
Teavan
Gallente First CityWide Change Bank
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Posted - 2009.07.06 21:43:00 -
[183]
Reserving 500 shares for a total of 500 Million isk, please
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Orion Phoenix
INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION 2009 Shugosha
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Posted - 2009.07.06 22:04:00 -
[184]
Reserving 10 shares, 10mil total. |
Montmazar
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Posted - 2009.07.07 07:31:00 -
[185]
Reserving 10 shares, please.
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Tetovo
Caldari Burning Technologies Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.07.07 08:42:00 -
[186]
100 shares please.
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Bard Marcus
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Posted - 2009.07.07 09:08:00 -
[187]
100 shares please
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xEllinx
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Posted - 2009.07.07 11:51:00 -
[188]
10 shares please
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Loth Cephak
Minmatar We Come From Planet Anus
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:24:00 -
[189]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares.
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2009.07.07 13:48:00 -
[190]
I would like to reserve 300 shares for a total of 300 million
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Jazric
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Posted - 2009.07.08 23:32:00 -
[191]
Reserve 100 shares
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Tor Umar
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Posted - 2009.07.09 08:23:00 -
[192]
I would like to reserve 200 shares (200 mill isk)
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Discova
Interstellar Corp Exhumers
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Posted - 2009.07.09 15:20:00 -
[193]
I would like to reserve 100 shares at 100mil total CEO Interstellar Corp Exhumers |
Lukriss
Lone Star Academy
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:38:00 -
[194]
Edited by: Lukriss on 10/07/2009 01:38:09
Originally by: Redloc I want to gank hulks in high sec! I have a dedicated miner account so I have the funds to throw away.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.07.10 01:44:00 -
[195]
I'd like to reserve 10 shares.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.11 18:00:00 -
[196]
Any ideas on how to drum up more capital?? Looks like the momentum is running out on this.
While you're at it put me down for another 40 shares, making a total of 49 for me.
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.07.11 20:01:00 -
[197]
Front page hasn't been updated with the last page of share reservations... Hmmm..
Put me down for 20 shares for 20 mil ISK.
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Joshamee Gibbs
Gallente Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2009.07.11 23:36:00 -
[198]
due to unfortunate changes in circumstances I would like to withdraw my reservation -------------
http://podlogs.com/enteringspace/ |
Foolish Bob
Caldari FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.07.12 00:13:00 -
[199]
reserving 200 shares for me please
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NaevaX
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:02:00 -
[200]
I would like to reserve 100 shares (100 million). |
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fugazii
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.12 02:20:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Breaker77 Any ideas on how to drum up more capital?? Looks like the momentum is running out on this.
While you're at it put me down for another 40 shares, making a total of 49 for me.
Nobody seems to listen to me on which bpo to invest in, however nonetheless this should put back in a bit of momentum.
Linkage
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2009.07.12 04:42:00 -
[202]
Can we please get an update on how the reservations are going? Thanks :)
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.07.12 04:54:00 -
[203]
Reserve 50 shares (50M ISK) for me, please.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.12 07:24:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Nobaudee Can we please get an update on how the reservations are going? Thanks :)
Reservation post updated.
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REFINERALTINNIT
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:11:00 -
[205]
It looks like they've all been filled, is this correct?
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Jazric
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Posted - 2009.07.12 09:19:00 -
[206]
Originally by: REFINERALTINNIT It looks like they've all been filled, is this correct?
Blocks one and two are filled. Block 3 is about 16 percent filled. Block 4 hasn't even started yet.
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qutar
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Posted - 2009.07.12 10:47:00 -
[207]
I would like to reserve 200 shares please.
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Dev Spoehr
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Posted - 2009.07.12 11:30:00 -
[208]
I would like to reserve 100 shares.
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.12 13:11:00 -
[209]
as block 2 is filled I'll move mine to the end of Block 3 ...
Thanks Bobby No Sig for me anymore |
x3p
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Posted - 2009.07.12 22:32:00 -
[210]
Put me down for 200 shares.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.07.13 11:37:00 -
[211]
Per OP, I note that any blocks not filled will be cancelled. Given Block 3 appears to be struggling, will this venture go ahead if only 2/4 blocks are filled?
Emmgel
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.13 13:11:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Emmgel Per OP, I note that any blocks not filled will be cancelled. Given Block 3 appears to be struggling, will this venture go ahead if only 2/4 blocks are filled?
Yes. The venture will go ahead provided block 1 is filled. Blocks 2-4 are entirely optional expansions.
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Adsion
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Posted - 2009.07.13 20:04:00 -
[213]
Put me down for 500 shares for 500mil.
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Tamati Tama
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Posted - 2009.07.13 20:34:00 -
[214]
Reserving 500 shares.
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CrazyArsed Monkey
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:15:00 -
[215]
Reserving 2500 Shares please.
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Shadowhawk38
Rage Against the Dying Light
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:44:00 -
[216]
50 shares please. |
Leviathan Taylor
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:44:00 -
[217]
Put me down for a 100 shares to start with.
Lev
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Minipod
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:47:00 -
[218]
Reserve 100 Shares
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Moonacre
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Posted - 2009.07.13 22:48:00 -
[219]
I would like to reserve 100 Shares
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STRK52ND
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Posted - 2009.07.13 23:41:00 -
[220]
25 shares
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ShotGun Willy
Ministry Of Kahless
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Posted - 2009.07.14 21:13:00 -
[221]
25 shares please
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Harkani
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.14 22:35:00 -
[222]
50 shares for my self please.
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Dzil
Caldari StrwBerry Pancakes
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Posted - 2009.07.14 23:07:00 -
[223]
BB-
I will be heavily involved in moving (IRL) the week of 7-26-09, and may not be available to transfer isk during that time.
Given that block 2 is filled with 11b overflow into block 3, I fully anticipate that expansion activating.
In light of this, would you consider allowing me to transfer isk early?
-Dzil
---------------------- Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m for 7+ standings ---------------------- |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.15 05:49:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Dzil BB-
I will be heavily involved in moving (IRL) the week of 7-26-09, and may not be available to transfer isk during that time.
Given that block 2 is filled with 11b overflow into block 3, I fully anticipate that expansion activating.
In light of this, would you consider allowing me to transfer isk early?
-Dzil
Sure. Send it over to me.
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.15 09:43:00 -
[225]
Please reserve for me 25 shares. [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Doctor Whiteface
Snow Blind Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.16 00:26:00 -
[226]
Put me down for 1000 |
Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2009.07.16 07:13:00 -
[227]
I'm down for 50
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.07.16 08:01:00 -
[228]
Reserving 250 shares.
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2009.07.16 08:29:00 -
[229]
Reserving 100 shares
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.16 12:21:00 -
[230]
10 days till deadline, hoping that 3rd block gets filled. |
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Qitoof
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Posted - 2009.07.16 20:15:00 -
[231]
I would like to reserve 100 shares.
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The Mattius
Enigma Technologies
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Posted - 2009.07.16 20:27:00 -
[232]
I would like to reserve 500 shares please.
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Kerovan
Gallente Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.07.17 03:50:00 -
[233]
I would like to reserve 20 shares please.
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Borakh Tieberius
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Posted - 2009.07.17 08:59:00 -
[234]
200 shares please
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Moochai
Caldari StateCraft Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.17 09:21:00 -
[235]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares please.
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Rorix Bladewing
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Posted - 2009.07.17 13:06:00 -
[236]
I would like to reserve 250 shares please |
Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.18 00:11:00 -
[237]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares please
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.18 08:15:00 -
[238]
Reservations list updated, we're about 50b away from the 3rd BPO at the moment.
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H0mer
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Posted - 2009.07.18 08:56:00 -
[239]
I'll be up for 50 shares
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Morph1337
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Posted - 2009.07.18 10:43:00 -
[240]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares please.
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MorucK
FireTech
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Posted - 2009.07.18 10:46:00 -
[241]
I would like to reserve 250 shares please.
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Freya Lorell
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Posted - 2009.07.18 10:55:00 -
[242]
It seems I will be away on holiday when the payment is due for my reservation.
I've sent 100M isk for 100 shares to Bad Bobby to not cause any potential delays. |
Sleep Deprivation
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Posted - 2009.07.18 10:58:00 -
[243]
I'd like to reserve 500 shares.
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Arb Zero
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Posted - 2009.07.18 11:02:00 -
[244]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares.
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Cruel Sculpture
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Posted - 2009.07.18 11:48:00 -
[245]
Reserve 50 shares please.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.20 08:29:00 -
[246]
Reservations updated, 48b left to fill in block 3.
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Mi5
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Posted - 2009.07.20 12:24:00 -
[247]
Reserving 50 Shares please.
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Luna Leecher
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Posted - 2009.07.20 16:51:00 -
[248]
As checked per EveMail i¦m paying my 100 Mio already due to holidaytrip in 3 days. I¦m registered in Block 1.
THX Luna
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last
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Posted - 2009.07.20 17:42:00 -
[249]
Tentatively dipping my toe in the shark filled pool of ipos.
Reserve 20 shares please
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sinqlaison
Amarr Capital Builders Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 18:37:00 -
[250]
10 shares please
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FightingMoose
Caldari The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.07.20 22:51:00 -
[251]
I'd like to register for 200 shares.
I'm going to be AFK for the next week or so. May I send the ISK in to you now?
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Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.20 23:39:00 -
[252]
After reading over the lengthy discussion thread, I think I can put a little cash in the pot. I'll take 1000 shares. Mmm, Avatar.
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.07.21 00:04:00 -
[253]
Doesn't look like block 3 will activate, but I would like to increase my reservation (post #228) to 1250 shares. My previous post will be edited to point to this one.
Reserving 1250 shares.
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klassasin
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Posted - 2009.07.21 19:05:00 -
[254]
I would like to reserve 250 shares.
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Cruel Sculpture
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Posted - 2009.07.21 22:28:00 -
[255]
Increasing size of reservation from post #245 to 250 shares.
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Elenos
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:20:00 -
[256]
150 shares here please.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.07.22 13:36:00 -
[257]
It seems that block 3 is stil struggling to get over 1/3rd. With this in mind, to allow more investors on-board the 2 blocks which appear to be the ones going ahead, I'll reduce my share from 20 billion to 10 billion in order to free up a bit of space.
Bobby if this gives you a problem let me know and I'll re-instate.
Emmgel
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.22 14:05:00 -
[258]
remembering that I'm just here to take up the slack at the end of Block 2 - so it looks like we'll get 2 out of 4 as a go-er. may as well start it off and then get the 3rd block to run in parallel ? No Sig for me anymore |
Kilgore Headbuster
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Posted - 2009.07.22 15:27:00 -
[259]
Sign me up for 500 shares.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.22 18:28:00 -
[260]
Reservations updated, 46b left to fill in block 3.
I will close reservations on 27/07/2009. Cancelled and reduced reservations will be dealt with then.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.07.23 05:54:00 -
[261]
I'd like to reduce my reservation to 1bil.
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ZulM
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Posted - 2009.07.23 07:49:00 -
[262]
Reserving shares for 5 billion ISK. Thank you.
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anthony martin
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Posted - 2009.07.24 02:26:00 -
[263]
hi id like to reserve 100 shares |
Sidis Aran
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.24 02:53:00 -
[264]
150 shares if reservations are still open. |
SirusDeVirus
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Posted - 2009.07.24 02:57:00 -
[265]
If possiable I'd like to reserve 50 shares. (I don't know how to go about buying them or anything tho) |
Demonos Silentium
Caldari Nictus Astartes
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:03:00 -
[266]
200 shares for Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) |
Garbaroth
Combat Industries Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:18:00 -
[267]
I'd like to reserve 10 shares. Thanks |
XxTheKmanxX
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:22:00 -
[268]
I'll take 150 shares |
Costas Decimia
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:28:00 -
[269]
100 shares please |
Nitakko
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:32:00 -
[270]
I'd like to reserve 20 shares |
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:33:00 -
[271]
Sorry... been traveling on business and missed the start of this one. Put me down for 1000 shares please. |
Aleusandris
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:39:00 -
[272]
100 Shares as well please and thank you |
lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis The Space P0lice
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Posted - 2009.07.24 03:42:00 -
[273]
Can I reserve 40 shares if there's still any going about? |
Daraan'el
Caldari The Night Crew
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:08:00 -
[274]
I'd like to reserve 40 shares, please. |
Leonard Nairdene
Gallente New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:10:00 -
[275]
please reserve for me 200 shares |
Carilan Harritak
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:26:00 -
[276]
I'd like to reserve 20 shares. |
Toksyuryel
Gallente Domestic Tentacle Supply
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:39:00 -
[277]
I'll take 10 shares. |
Haladara Omshiirion
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:50:00 -
[278]
Drop me in for 8 shares, please. |
innocent alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 05:55:00 -
[279]
1000 shares for me, please.
Innocent Alt
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Snickrot
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Posted - 2009.07.24 06:16:00 -
[280]
I would like 50 shares please. |
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Admiral Tom
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Posted - 2009.07.24 06:25:00 -
[281]
reserving 100 shares. |
dojocan81
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Posted - 2009.07.24 06:35:00 -
[282]
750 shares for me please
thx |
Lord Schmock
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Posted - 2009.07.24 06:47:00 -
[283]
1000 shares please |
leonrussell1982
Caldari Symbio Systems
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Posted - 2009.07.24 06:55:00 -
[284]
2000 shares please.....
i whisper to myself "i hope this isn't the biggest scam ever" |
Daynne Jerreous
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:01:00 -
[285]
I will take 100 shares please. |
Random27
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:50:00 -
[286]
I'll take ten Why not, eh? |
Reaper Cross
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:52:00 -
[287]
I would like 5 shares please |
Solano
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.24 07:54:00 -
[288]
250 shares please |
Matan Gandi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:04:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Matan Gandi on 24/07/2009 08:03:59 I take 200 shares please. |
Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:07:00 -
[290]
Increasing mine to 50 shares please
Updated post #249 to point here |
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Tahlith
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:16:00 -
[291]
like to reserve 500 shares for block 3. thank you |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:17:00 -
[292]
Reservations updated, 34558/68000 reserved in block 3, which takes us over the half way point on that block. |
Albator
Gallente Battlestars
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:34:00 -
[293]
Put me down for 100 shares (100,000,000isk) |
Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:37:00 -
[294]
Put me down for 30 shares if there is still room please. |
innocent alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 08:40:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Titans 4U Reservations updated, 34558/68000 reserved in block 3, which takes us over the half way point on that block.
Maybe I am blind, but I can not see my name on the list for block 3.
Innocent Alt
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Kira Firestarter
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:03:00 -
[296]
Please Reserve me 150 shares |
Ghost Hunter
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:07:00 -
[297]
Reserve me for 100 shares.
Cheers. |
Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last
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Posted - 2009.07.24 09:07:00 -
[298]
My reservation only shows 30, it should be 50 :) |
Ti Chi
Minmatar In Rust We Trust
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:06:00 -
[299]
Place me down for 100 shares please.
Cheers
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Serving Maid
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:16:00 -
[300]
I would like to reserve 10 shares please
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Whooricane
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:23:00 -
[301]
50 shares for me please
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:23:00 -
[302]
Originally by: innocent alt Maybe I am blind, but I can not see my name on the list for block 3.
Sorry, missed you, fixed.
Originally by: Rhivre My reservation only shows 30, it should be 50 :)
You have two seperate reservations, one for 20 and one for 30.
I can't allow you to increase a reservation you made earlier as it would be unfair on others that make their reservations after you, if I allowed this everyone could reserve 1 share at the start of the 30 days and change it to whatever they like at the end. So instead I add each increase in reservation as a seperate reservation which has it's own place in the queue.
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Terrel Capelle
White Eagle Federation Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:25:00 -
[303]
I'd like to reserve 50 shares please.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:28:00 -
[304]
Edited by: Rhivre on 24/07/2009 10:28:55
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: innocent alt Maybe I am blind, but I can not see my name on the list for block 3.
Sorry, missed you, fixed.
Originally by: Rhivre My reservation only shows 30, it should be 50 :)
You have two seperate reservations, one for 20 and one for 30.
I can't allow you to increase a reservation you made earlier as it would be unfair on others that make their reservations after you, if I allowed this everyone could reserve 1 share at the start of the 30 days and change it to whatever they like at the end. So instead I add each increase in reservation as a seperate reservation which has it's own place in the queue.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up for me
I didnt read the full list, just looked for my name, I shall now go and drink lots of espresso
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Cinder Roze
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:51:00 -
[305]
Hi, I'd Like 50 shares, Please. When did I Realize I was God? I was Praying when I realized I was talking to myself. |
R Sharpe
Jericho Industries Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.24 10:59:00 -
[306]
100 shares (100 million ISK) for me plz
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WizeMaster
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:00:00 -
[307]
50 Shares for me please
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Julian Koll
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:29:00 -
[308]
If possible i would like to step back from my reservation in Block 1. As thrilled as i was in investing in this IPO, i am currently involved in another venture where i can get those isk to work much harder.
If cancelling the reservation is any problem for you, Bobby, i will try and find someone to fill my spot.
thx, Julian
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dentist bob
Blue Oyster Society Code Of Honor Corp Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:44:00 -
[309]
150 shares reservation for me plz
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.24 11:48:00 -
[310]
I would like to reserve... let's go with 500 shares.
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Klausan
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:07:00 -
[311]
I would like to reserve 200 shares.
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Batlee
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:17:00 -
[312]
id like to reserve 100 shares
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Kahn Bloodbane
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:24:00 -
[313]
I reserve 100 shares!
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Aargh
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:27:00 -
[314]
300 shares seems a nice round number. Sign me up.
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firehelix
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:34:00 -
[315]
20 shares (20mil) for me please
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Amish Juggernaut
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Research
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:50:00 -
[316]
100 for me
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Marty Brice
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Posted - 2009.07.24 12:56:00 -
[317]
500 for me please
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:01:00 -
[318]
Bad Bobby is internet spaceship famous now!
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rexus I
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:08:00 -
[319]
reserve 40 shares for me please thx
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Anfinity
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:08:00 -
[320]
I like to reserve 100 shares
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talemacus
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:13:00 -
[321]
100 shares please......contact me in game to arrrange
thanks
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Lem Sip
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:16:00 -
[322]
I'd like to reserve 50 shares please.
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holefx
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:26:00 -
[323]
100 shares please.
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Malice Preston
Caldari Vision.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:28:00 -
[324]
100 Shares Please
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Rakeraker
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:30:00 -
[325]
5 shares for me please.
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Gabriel Angelus
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Posted - 2009.07.24 13:34:00 -
[326]
After reviewing your business model i am interested in reserving 100 shares (100,000,000 Isk). Thank you.
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Torezu Kushurinada
Caldari Organization of Zodiac
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:15:00 -
[327]
I would like to reserve 1000 shares (1bil) please.
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Glenys
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:17:00 -
[328]
I would like to reserve 1000 shares please (1 billion isk)
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SarcasticDwarf
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:22:00 -
[329]
reserving 750 shares (750m) |
Biiza Obrav
Sankkasen Mining Conglomerate Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:22:00 -
[330]
10 Share (10 mil isk) for me please
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Doc Alaska
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:37:00 -
[331]
This sounds good enough to take a chance. That and your reputation for backing your investors mean I am willing to invest 1000 shares for 1 billion ISK. Thank you, Doc Alaska The Revenge
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Daeva Vios
New Eden Credit Bureau
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:39:00 -
[332]
Reserving 10 shares for the hell of it. ------------------------------------- NECB |
DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:50:00 -
[333]
Bumping up my reservation by another 20 shares, from 20 to 40 shares (for 40 million ISK).
Also modifying my previous share order to reflect this amount.
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JoseCanUsee
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Posted - 2009.07.24 14:58:00 -
[334]
20 shares plz
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tinnsoldier
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:09:00 -
[335]
300 shares for 300mil please |
Sai Mien
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:20:00 -
[336]
reserve 500 shares please
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Chodyniecki
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:26:00 -
[337]
I will reserve 10 shares.
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Eenbal
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:32:00 -
[338]
Please reserve 1 (one as I'm poor) Share for me. thanks
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Mini Kadi
Einherjar Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:35:00 -
[339]
I'd like to reserve 200 Million Isk worth of shares.
Thanks,
Mini Kadi Kasrkin Corporation Recruiting |
Estella Vance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:38:00 -
[340]
1000 shares, please; I really hope this is not some multibillion scam
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Sazumaan Johnza
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:39:00 -
[341]
Put me down for 2,000 shares please (2 Bil). ----- "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07 |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.24 15:55:00 -
[342]
Reservations updated, 47344/68000 in block 3.
A certain news story has attracted a lot of additional investment.
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HellSparrow
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:09:00 -
[343]
I'd like to reserve 50 shares at 50 Million Isk. Thanks HellSparrow
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Indiexy
AWE Corporation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:15:00 -
[344]
Please reserve 200 shares
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Silvermoon Armanis
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.24 16:30:00 -
[345]
Edited by: Silvermoon Armanis on 24/07/2009 16:33:40 If its still going I would love 40 shares please
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ArymAramanska
Minmatar Phoenix Army United Interstellar Federation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:03:00 -
[346]
I would like to Reserve 1000 shares for 1b isk please.
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Mienka
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:06:00 -
[347]
I'd like to reserve another 50 shares please.
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Blades McFlannigan
Archer Transport Company
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:14:00 -
[348]
I would like to reserve 50 shares.
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Alya Mecklin
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:18:00 -
[349]
I would like to reserve 10 (ten) shares
Thank you Alya Mecklin
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Stellar Reaper
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:49:00 -
[350]
I'd like to reserve 200 shares.
Thank you. |
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Chodyniecki
Caldari Ashlar Galaxias Legem Terrae
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Posted - 2009.07.24 17:59:00 -
[351]
Still wanting to reserve my original 10 shares. Was never updated on the chart.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:05:00 -
[352]
Originally by: Titans 4U Reservations updated, 47344/68000 in block 3.
A certain news story has attracted a lot of additional investment.
and on the bright side you will no longer be an exclamation point in another day or two
The suspense is killing me.
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mortalilty
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:19:00 -
[353]
Reserve 200 shares for mortalilty please. -404, not found
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Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:24:00 -
[354]
Gimme 25 shares.
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Choans
RSP Enterprises HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:43:00 -
[355]
Reserve 300 shares pls
RSP Enterprises
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:45:00 -
[356]
Due to a case of temporary insanity... I'd like to increase my reservation by another 100 shares.
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DRKabal
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Posted - 2009.07.24 18:49:00 -
[357]
i'll take 3 shares
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WizeMaster
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:04:00 -
[358]
Releasing my reservation, sorry i need to withdraw, please remove my 50 thanks
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Hel O'Ween
Academy of Truth
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:09:00 -
[359]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares (250 million ISK).
Thank you. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Flynt Ironstag
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:14:00 -
[360]
I would like to reserve 5 shares (5 million ISK)
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:16:00 -
[361]
I realize the bond is filled but I'd like to reserve an addition 250 shares if any spots open up.
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:30:00 -
[362]
I'm in for 20 shares at a total of $20M
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Lun Skyfell
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:49:00 -
[363]
I'll take 1000 assuming this block fills.
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Sanyo Santiago
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Posted - 2009.07.24 19:50:00 -
[364]
Reserve 100 shares for me please, thanks.
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.07.24 20:05:00 -
[365]
Is this still going? id like to reserve 50 shares for 50m isk --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.07.24 20:10:00 -
[366]
Originally by: Kahn Engineer I'm in for 20 shares at a total of $20M
On a DIFFERENT block from my previous post, (at this moment I see blocks 3 & 4 still unfilled), I'll put in 20 shares at a total of $20M. Presuming of course either I fit in or the blocks are filled.
Thanks.
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Sleep Deprivation
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Posted - 2009.07.24 20:48:00 -
[367]
I retract my request for 500 shares; i won't be able to play eve for quite some time and i don't want to give you any payment problems. I think some of the guys here will be happy with my decision :)
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General Mic
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Posted - 2009.07.24 20:51:00 -
[368]
I would like to reserve 100 shares in the third block.
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Blud Ayngel
Minmatar All For One
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:19:00 -
[369]
if any are left i will take 100 shares in either 3rd or 4th
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H3dAFO
Amarr The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2009.07.24 21:21:00 -
[370]
50 shares for me as well
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Miainsa Neppl
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:01:00 -
[371]
500 shares please
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:11:00 -
[372]
I'll take 500 shares please. |
Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:15:00 -
[373]
i'd like to reserve another 200 shares
thanks
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:54:00 -
[374]
I'm in for 500 shares.
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Apophis Vledar
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Posted - 2009.07.24 22:58:00 -
[375]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares.
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Aloe Cloveris
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Posted - 2009.07.25 00:18:00 -
[376]
Edited by: Aloe Cloveris on 25/07/2009 00:19:55 Edited by: Aloe Cloveris on 25/07/2009 00:18:56 Would like 75 shares if they are available.
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De Bawa
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Posted - 2009.07.25 00:58:00 -
[377]
I'll take 50 shares, please.
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Squatch
Caldari Defenders of the Faith
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:03:00 -
[378]
I'd like to reserve 2000 shares please.
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Carn Validus
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Posted - 2009.07.25 01:38:00 -
[379]
i would like to reserve 20 shares.
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Captain N8Hellyea
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Posted - 2009.07.25 03:16:00 -
[380]
Reserving 20 shares in Block 3 please. -Captain N8Hellyea
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Smash Sales
Storm Legions Unified Trading Storm Legions
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Posted - 2009.07.25 03:43:00 -
[381]
1,000 Shares for me please. 1Bil ISKies [WTB] Bulk and Wholesale Faction and Officer items. Contact me in game if you have some to offload!! |
Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.07.25 03:46:00 -
[382]
Edited by: Cayce Pollard on 25/07/2009 03:47:52 I would like to reserve 800 shares in whichever block is currently in need of investors, this is in addition to the 200 shares in block one.
Also if a block is close to being filled I may be able to free up some more isk so give me a shout.
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Parkuras
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Posted - 2009.07.25 03:48:00 -
[383]
Edited by: Parkuras on 25/07/2009 03:49:18 Reserving 100 shares please.
I failed at spelling.
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.07.25 03:57:00 -
[384]
Reserve another thousand shares for me.
Gareth
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Daro Con
Minmatar Cavalieri Siciliani Event Horizon.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 04:05:00 -
[385]
Reserving 100 (100mill worth) shares please.
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Ostor LightDust
Gallente The Minutemen Liberty.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 06:13:00 -
[386]
Please reserve 50 shares for me.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.25 07:48:00 -
[387]
Reservations updated, block 3 is now at 59762/68000.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.07.25 08:43:00 -
[388]
Another 100 shares for me please.
Cheers
Kithran
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Athanasia Samsa
Amarr Cold Meat Industry
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Posted - 2009.07.25 09:44:00 -
[389]
i'd like to reserve 25 shares please :)
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2009.07.25 10:27:00 -
[390]
I'd like to reserve 200 shares
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Zakmal Dorn
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Posted - 2009.07.25 12:32:00 -
[391]
Requesting 10 shares for reservation.
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General Harvey
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Posted - 2009.07.25 12:39:00 -
[392]
I'd like to reserve 200 shares please
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uncle spankface
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Posted - 2009.07.25 12:53:00 -
[393]
Reserve 10 shares please.
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Kcarr1
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Posted - 2009.07.25 13:08:00 -
[394]
I would like 30 shares please.
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2009.07.25 13:16:00 -
[395]
I would like to add 700 shares to the 300 I have on reserve.
This would be a total of 1000 shares.
TY :)
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Omega Nine
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Posted - 2009.07.25 13:33:00 -
[396]
Edited by: Omega Nine on 25/07/2009 13:33:17 ...
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chemicalart
Caldari Echolalia. Shangri-La.
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Posted - 2009.07.25 13:42:00 -
[397]
I would like to reserve 40 shares. However, due to vacation, I shall be unable to pay until August 4th. If this is a problem I rescind my reservation. If you fail to plan, you plan to fail@ |
Katiya Khadiija
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Posted - 2009.07.25 14:25:00 -
[398]
Put me down for another 1000 shares. |
CEOcat
CAT Corp
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Posted - 2009.07.25 14:45:00 -
[399]
Reserving 50 shares CAT Corp - BPO/BPC store |
5ilent 5hift
Devine Legion Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.07.25 15:13:00 -
[400]
would like to reserve 50 shares, please
Thank you. |
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Hanster Maluki
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Posted - 2009.07.25 16:28:00 -
[401]
Reserve 4000 shares for me please.
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Feisty Kitten
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Posted - 2009.07.25 16:57:00 -
[402]
Originally by: Titans 4U I will be transporting BPOs and BPCs one at a time and in the corp hangar of an Orca piloted by an alt that is not connected to any of my corps.
thats the dumbest friggin thing you could do. You're asking to be suicided. Do it in a shuttle, or a covert ops, you idiot.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.25 17:23:00 -
[403]
Originally by: Feisty Kitten
Originally by: Titans 4U I will be transporting BPOs and BPCs one at a time and in the corp hangar of an Orca piloted by an alt that is not connected to any of my corps.
thats the dumbest friggin thing you could do. You're asking to be suicided. Do it in a shuttle, or a covert ops, you idiot.
You must be stupid.
Corp hangars on Orcas can NOT be scanned by any scanner. Yeah someone might get lucky, but then again they might just get a cargo full of ore or nothing at all.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.07.25 17:48:00 -
[404]
Corp hangars on Orcas drop loot 0% of the time.
Just sayin'.
Also, I'd like to reserve another 500 shares.
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Kamo Hiruga
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:10:00 -
[405]
Edited by: Kamo Hiruga on 25/07/2009 18:11:04 10 for me (10 share)
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:21:00 -
[406]
I would like to reserve 100 shares, please.
Don't ask me about the cows. |
strike18
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:48:00 -
[407]
30 shares please
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Nikolay Tesla
Minmatar Nomadic Angels
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Posted - 2009.07.25 18:54:00 -
[408]
I would like to reserve 100 shares, and wish good luck to this one
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2009.07.25 19:21:00 -
[409]
I'll take another 500 shares to put my total at 1000 shares. Thank you.
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TCL987
Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.25 20:10:00 -
[410]
I'd like to reserve 50 shares.
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Takara Starbreeze
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:17:00 -
[411]
Hi!
I'd like to reserve 50 shares, please.
Thanks!
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HirschG
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.07.25 21:41:00 -
[412]
100 more shares please in additino to what i have reserved earlier.
Thanks -------------
Matari ships ARE the real deal |
Kazuki Katsuro
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:37:00 -
[413]
I would like to reserve 1000 shares, please.
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159Hunter
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Posted - 2009.07.25 22:59:00 -
[414]
100 shares plz
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tre introv
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.07.26 00:18:00 -
[415]
I'll reserve another 500 shares = 500mil isk.
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Blud Ayngel
Minmatar All For One
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Posted - 2009.07.26 01:57:00 -
[416]
would like to point out that you have me down for 1000 shares when i asked for only 100....unless you intend on giving me 1000 shares for the price of a 100.
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Compstomper1
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Posted - 2009.07.26 02:30:00 -
[417]
I will reserve one hundred shares.
Thanks, Compstomper1
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.26 06:47:00 -
[418]
Reservations updated, block 3 has filled and we're in to block 4.
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MadeOff
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Posted - 2009.07.26 09:45:00 -
[419]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares. |
Illuvatarai
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Posted - 2009.07.26 09:48:00 -
[420]
50 Shares for me, please!
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KanoFu
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Posted - 2009.07.26 11:18:00 -
[421]
Edited by: KanoFu on 26/07/2009 11:22:46 500 shares to KanoFu please
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Smarter
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Posted - 2009.07.26 12:00:00 -
[422]
5 Shares Please
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Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.26 13:15:00 -
[423]
I would like to reserve 100 shares.
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GenericPlayer42
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:13:00 -
[424]
Edited by: GenericPlayer42 on 26/07/2009 17:16:31 Please Delete.
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GenericPlayer42
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:14:00 -
[425]
Edited by: GenericPlayer42 on 26/07/2009 17:16:19 Please Delete.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.07.26 17:36:00 -
[426]
I would like to reserve 500 shares please.
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2009.07.26 18:00:00 -
[427]
I would like to reserve 600 shares please. :)
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SpaceBalls Two
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:08:00 -
[428]
Put me down for 500 shares for 500mil.
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Mhagon
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:13:00 -
[429]
another 600 shares for me please
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Artis de'Partis
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:30:00 -
[430]
I would like to reserve 750 shares (for EVE Tourist Board)
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.26 19:44:00 -
[431]
Unless I added wrong I'm getting block 4 at 3805 shares out of 61000.
I'll take an addition 100 shares.
Another question Bobby, if block 4 doesn't sell out by tomorrow will you continue to try to fill it??
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Vie Victus
Gadrel Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.27 00:30:00 -
[432]
100 shares please.
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Angelina Morgan
Amarr Carebear Evolution Allegiance 2 None
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Posted - 2009.07.27 04:28:00 -
[433]
Edited by: Angelina Morgan on 27/07/2009 04:29:31 Please reserve 500 shares for me
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Marros Thiben
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:29:00 -
[434]
I would like to reserve 100 shares, please.
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Halborn
Imperium Forces
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:32:00 -
[435]
i'd like to reserve 10 shares please Co-Founder of The Phoenix Armada |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 05:57:00 -
[436]
Originally by: Breaker77 if block 4 doesn't sell out by tomorrow will you continue to try to fill it??
I've been thinking about this and I'm considering extending reservations until Friday. My reasons being that the reservations are still comming pretty fast and the weekend would give me much more time to oversee the isk collection.
I'll leave the decision until later today and see how things progress, I assume nobody would object to such an extention?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:06:00 -
[437]
Transplanted from the discussion thread:
Originally by: Scrumpy Joe I would like to reserves 2 shares for 2 million Isk.you can reach me in game to verify. thank you
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xXSnUgGlEsXx
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:17:00 -
[438]
id like to reserve 1000 shares.
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2009.07.27 06:56:00 -
[439]
Once the reservations are closed, how long do we have to send you the isk? Or can we just send you isk now.
Only reason I ask is because I will be out of town for the next week or two and dont want to lose my reservation.
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Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:08:00 -
[440]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Breaker77 if block 4 doesn't sell out by tomorrow will you continue to try to fill it??
I've been thinking about this and I'm considering extending reservations until Friday. My reasons being that the reservations are still comming pretty fast and the weekend would give me much more time to oversee the isk collection.
I'll leave the decision until later today and see how things progress, I assume nobody would object to such an extention?
I think given how recently it was posted to the News, that it would be great to allow for some latecomers :)
Oh and incidentally posting at 3am local time, is a trip, I think I might have mis-read report as reply and reported this reply.... good times.... good times... sleep time now.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:09:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Rojo Ocho Once the reservations are closed, how long do we have to send you the isk? Or can we just send you isk now.
Only reason I ask is because I will be out of town for the next week or two and dont want to lose my reservation.
If you expect to be unavailable then you can send me your isk now, but make sure you post in this thread to indicate you have done so.
There will be a 15 day period over which isk will be collected for all 4 blocks, but we will only do one block at a time for security reasons so there will be a 3-4 day window for isk to be sent. If you miss the window for the block you are reserved in then your reservation will be moved to a later block and reservations in later blocks will be moved forward to replace yours.
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sporkmonger
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Balance of Judgment
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:25:00 -
[442]
I'd like to reserve 50 shares.
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Gale Fource
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Posted - 2009.07.27 07:42:00 -
[443]
il have 3 shares to start with and possibly invest anouther in anouther 10 shares every quater if pos where do i send the isk?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 08:41:00 -
[444]
Originally by: Gale Fource il have 3 shares to start with and possibly invest anouther in anouther 10 shares every quater if pos where do i send the isk?
I can take your reservation for 3 shares, but the only way for you to invest additional funds at a later date would be to buy shares from other investors.
I am only accepting isk from those that will be unavailable to send their isk over the next two weeks, if that is the case for you then you can send your isk to me now, if not then hold on to your isk until you are asked to send it.
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AsSalaam
FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.07.27 09:44:00 -
[445]
What's your plan regarding people who fail to pay for their reserved shares? I'd be interested in buying any unsold shares in the first 3 blocks at the end of the payment period.
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.27 12:50:00 -
[446]
Originally by: AsSalaam What's your plan regarding people who fail to pay for their reserved shares? I'd be interested in buying any unsold shares in the first 3 blocks at the end of the payment period.
Been there done that but will split if it comes to it sort of thing No Sig for me anymore |
Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.07.27 13:53:00 -
[447]
Gimme another 75 shares (for a total of 100)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:01:00 -
[448]
Originally by: AsSalaam What's your plan regarding people who fail to pay for their reserved shares? I'd be interested in buying any unsold shares in the first 3 blocks at the end of the payment period.
The reservation list is just a queue.
If people fail to pay for their reserved shares when their block comes up then they will just get moved to the end of the queue.
If reservations fall through to the extent that a block cannot be funded then that block will be cancelled.
The only way to get in on the action is to place a reservation for the quantity of action you are interested in.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:07:00 -
[449]
1 share please. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:11:00 -
[450]
Originally by: BIG Brain
Originally by: AsSalaam What's your plan regarding people who fail to pay for their reserved shares? I'd be interested in buying any unsold shares in the first 3 blocks at the end of the payment period.
Been there done that but will split if it comes to it sort of thing
You have a reservation for 2000 shares at the end of block 2. You have the option to cancel that reservation or maintain it. You do not have the option to move it about.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:14:00 -
[451]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 1 share please.
Someone secretly replaced his coffee with LVV's this morning |
Ze4K DK
Gallente Nova-Tek Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:26:00 -
[452]
Not to say that this is a scam in any way, but the whole thing reminds me of a story i read when i first started playing EVE...
The Great Scam It's a long read, but i really enjoyed it...
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 14:26:00 -
[453]
Due to popular demand, reservations have been extended to Friday (the 31st).
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.27 15:12:00 -
[454]
Reservations updated. Blocks 1-3 are full, block 4 is at 5744/61000.
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.07.27 16:30:00 -
[455]
I'd like to grab a further 25 shares to keep this going and to break into Block 4 as well.
(Already have 25 in Block 3 ) [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Daeris Milvaer
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Posted - 2009.07.27 17:28:00 -
[456]
With the reservation extension it is now likely that the call to fund Block 2 will fall during my trip. Is it possible to send the money early?
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Nagapito
Gallente FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.07.27 18:42:00 -
[457]
400 shares please!
Tea FTW!!
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.27 20:51:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Daeris Milvaer With the reservation extension it is now likely that the call to fund Block 2 will fall during my trip. Is it possible to send the money early?
Sure, send it over and post here to confirm.
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Daeris Milvaer
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:30:00 -
[459]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Daeris Milvaer With the reservation extension it is now likely that the call to fund Block 2 will fall during my trip. Is it possible to send the money early?
Sure, send it over and post here to confirm.
Thanks. ISK sent.
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boliano
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Posted - 2009.07.27 23:34:00 -
[460]
Id like to reserve 30 shares please
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XICD7
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Posted - 2009.07.28 02:38:00 -
[461]
I'd like to reserve 1 share atm. Maybe some more later.
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Matiks
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Posted - 2009.07.28 11:07:00 -
[462]
100 shares please.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:29:00 -
[463]
I'll take 1000 shares, please.
Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:37:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro 1 share please.
Someone secretly replaced his coffee with LVV's this morning
This will be dealt with
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Dagreed
Gallente Frozen Monkeys
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Posted - 2009.07.28 15:37:00 -
[465]
Reserving 25 shares please |
Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:02:00 -
[466]
It would be a near miricle to fill the last block before the 31st. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Havegooda
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Posted - 2009.07.28 19:12:00 -
[467]
How much is left? ISK/share wise?
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firehelix
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Posted - 2009.07.28 20:23:00 -
[468]
I'd like to add another 20 shares please.
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Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.07.28 21:53:00 -
[469]
Originally by: Havegooda How much is left? ISK/share wise?
Probably need around 50billion on the last day. 50,000 shares. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
LoveTehSexz
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Posted - 2009.07.29 01:49:00 -
[470]
reserving 200 shares please, i may have to pay upfront a day or so before.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 06:15:00 -
[471]
Originally by: Angor It would be a near miricle to fill the last block before the 31st.
I've heard similar assesments about the first, second and third blocks.
Although in honesty, I agree that the likelyhood is that the fourth block will not fill unless I stick 30b or so of my own isk into it. But I've been suprised before, even in this thread.
Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Havegooda How much is left? ISK/share wise?
Probably need around 50billion on the last day. 50,000 shares.
About that yes, I'll update the reservations and post a more precise number later today.
While block 4 may or may not fill without the intervention of one or more large investors, you must also be aware that when it comes to collecting the isk there will be backouts, cancellations and no-shows to consider. Most if not all of the reservations currently in block 4 will find themselves in block 3 in the end and therefore it is fairly certain that they will get in on the action.
Personally, I am not concerned about block 4 filling, nor was I concerned about blocks 2 and 3. I was more than happy with the response to this offering when block 1 filled. To see that there is now over 200b isk on the table is quite a compliment and I thank all investors, of whatever size, for their interest.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 06:22:00 -
[472]
Originally by: LoveTehSexz i may have to pay upfront a day or so before.
That's fine, send it to me if you need to but make sure you post here for a public record of that.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 06:24:00 -
[473]
Also, I'd like to clarify:
Reservations will be open today, tommorrow and the day after. Isk collection will begin on the weekend, when I have the free time to organise it all.
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Kalpaks II
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Posted - 2009.07.29 06:46:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Ze4K DK Not to say that this is a scam in any way, but the whole thing reminds me of a story i read when i first started playing EVE...
The Great Scam It's a long read, but i really enjoyed it...
Excelent read thx for the link
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Hawkcrest
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Posted - 2009.07.29 07:03:00 -
[475]
reserve 400 shares for 400,000,000
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LoveTehSexz
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Posted - 2009.07.29 07:58:00 -
[476]
Originally by: LoveTehSexz reserving 200 shares please, i may have to pay upfront a day or so before.
paid the 200mil as of now into bad bobby account, thnx.
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LoveTehSexz
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:04:00 -
[477]
reserving another 200 shares, isk paid into bad bobby account as of now. 200mil
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:05:00 -
[478]
Originally by: LoveTehSexz
Originally by: LoveTehSexz reserving 200 shares please, i may have to pay upfront a day or so before.
paid the 200mil as of now into bad bobby account, thnx.
Confirmed.
For the record, I am now holding:
1000m - Patchday Blues 200m - LoveTehSexz 200m - Dzil 200m - Daeris Milvaer 100m - Freya Lorell 100m - Luna Leecher 1m - XICD7
Some of these funds have already been used to set up some of the infrastructure required for this operation.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:06:00 -
[479]
Originally by: LoveTehSexz reserving another 200 shares, isk paid into bad bobby account as of now. 200mil
Confirmed.
I am now holding 400m for you.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 08:09:00 -
[480]
A note on advance payments, this isk is being held by me and will be transferred over to Titans 4U during the launch phase for the appropriate block. If the block for which this isk is held is cancelled then I will return the isk.
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Arcturus Canton
Gallente FireTech
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Posted - 2009.07.29 09:31:00 -
[481]
50 shares for me please (50m isk ready and waiting) Your loss is not my problem |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.29 22:06:00 -
[482]
Two days left to go and about 50,000m left in the final block.
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Jaharoth
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Posted - 2009.07.30 05:46:00 -
[483]
Edited by: Jaharoth on 30/07/2009 05:54:13
I would like to reserve 100 shares in block 4
It looks like the reservations list on the first page is a bit off, so Ill go in for what ever finishes off block 4 if its under 100m isk. Also, if anyone backs out or whatever, I would like to go up to 100 shares.
Also, I posted on the wrong character and I would like them reserved in the name of my main, Herman Ree
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Gagarthoe III
Amarr Flagship Universal Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.07.30 10:05:00 -
[484]
50 shares please
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:57:00 -
[485]
We are tranfering isk to a broker and you only get access to the funds for each block until the one before it is locked down, correct?
The thing you said about advanced payments threw me off maybe. Btw, I would like to reserve another 1 share in block 4.
<3 GV
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.07.30 12:59:00 -
[486]
My alt has applied. Will confirm once in alt corp and shares have been recieved. Bad if possible I rather you just send the shares directly to Evalf rather than going to my alt.
Thanks. -----
POS FUEL DELIVERY & HIGH & LOW SEC FREIGHTER SERVICES |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:02:00 -
[487]
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus We are tranfering isk to a broker and you only get access to the funds for each block until the one before it is locked down, correct?
Actually, I was planning to leave the isk in the safety of your own wallets until the previous BPO was locked down.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:12:00 -
[488]
Originally by: eVaLF My alt has applied. Will confirm once in alt corp and shares have been recieved. Bad if possible I rather you just send the shares directly to Evalf rather than going to my alt.
Thanks.
To avoid any issues I second this statement to sending to this main instead of with my super sekret alt as well. |
XICD7
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Posted - 2009.07.30 13:55:00 -
[489]
Where's the share in block 3 that I paid for? This is ridiculous.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:07:00 -
[490]
Originally by: XICD7 Where's the share in block 3 that I paid for?
Shares will not be issued until after all the blocks are launched. Your investment has been recorded and you will receive your share at the same time as everyone else.
Originally by: XICD7 This is ridiculous.
Indeed, but I can't force people to read the thread or follow instructions.
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Gabriel Virtus
hirr
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:12:00 -
[491]
I guess what I should have said was WILL we be transfering isk to a broker that will give you blocks of isk... When it is time to send the isk. I thought the transfering isk to a broker and then releasing enough isk for each block to you once the one before it was locked down was the plan all along. If not, it should be.
-GV
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:39:00 -
[492]
Originally by: Gabriel Virtus I guess what I should have said was WILL we be transfering isk to a broker that will give you blocks of isk... When it is time to send the isk. I thought the transfering isk to a broker and then releasing enough isk for each block to you once the one before it was locked down was the plan all along. If not, it should be.
-GV
If you would prefer to use a broker rather than keeping the isk in your own wallet then fine, but I don't see a great need to involve another party in the process.
I will ask for this isk for each block in turn after the previous block has had it's BPO purchased, transported to the POS system, locked down and confirmed by the trustees.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:41:00 -
[493]
Just keep in mind that things are going to have to go pretty quickly since most of the trustees will only have 10 days approx from launch date to get everything confirmed, lest we have to pay for a month subscription. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:47:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Just keep in mind that things are going to have to go pretty quickly since most of the trustees will only have 10 days approx from launch date to get everything confirmed, lest we have to pay for a month subscription.
The shares that you will use to monitor/control the lock/unlock votes will be on your other characters, not on your trial account alts. You should only need those trial alts if I am hit by a bus.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.30 14:56:00 -
[495]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Just keep in mind that things are going to have to go pretty quickly since most of the trustees will only have 10 days approx from launch date to get everything confirmed, lest we have to pay for a month subscription.
The shares that you will use to monitor/control the lock/unlock votes will be on your other characters, not on your trial account alts. You should only need those trial alts if I am hit by a bus.
I thought you were waiting to send shares until such a point.... my bad. I'll go sulk in the corner now. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:01:00 -
[496]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Just keep in mind that things are going to have to go pretty quickly since most of the trustees will only have 10 days approx from launch date to get everything confirmed, lest we have to pay for a month subscription.
The shares that you will use to monitor/control the lock/unlock votes will be on your other characters, not on your trial account alts. You should only need those trial alts if I am hit by a bus.
I thought you were waiting to send shares until such a point.... my bad. I'll go sulk in the corner now.
I can send you the control shares anytime you like, I was going to wait until we close the reservations.
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Grr'k An'Har
Violet Rovers
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:19:00 -
[497]
50 shares for me, please.
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Dr Nefarius
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:51:00 -
[498]
I would like to reserve 1000 shares (1 B isk).
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Lucien Corentin
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Posted - 2009.07.30 15:57:00 -
[499]
Reserving 250 shares. |
Chloyee
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Posted - 2009.07.30 18:24:00 -
[500]
I'd like 50 shares, please notify me of how and where you'd like me to send the 50mil. Thanks.
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5ilent 5hift
Devine Legion Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:07:00 -
[501]
Edited by: 5ilent 5hift on 30/07/2009 22:08:55 unfortunately im not going to be online for the next few days, would i be able to give my isk after or would that be a problem?
i am online for until about 10am gmt tomorrow if you want me to give it to you by then.
Edit: i'd like to place another 50mil of shares too please =] |
XICD7
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Posted - 2009.07.30 22:52:00 -
[502]
I don't mean an in-game share. You didn't even out me on the lsit for investors/share-holders for any of the blocks.
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Seth Lorethian
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Posted - 2009.07.30 23:24:00 -
[503]
Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:25:19 Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:24:32 Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:24:15
Originally by: Bad Bobby Two days left to go and about 50,000m left in the final block.
I checked and found myself listed twice in block 3.
I requested to have my 2nd 20M contribution set for block 4.
If there is a problem with this move, let me know in game as Kahn Engineer and we'll work something out.
Thanks.
Kahn Engineer here. Sorry wrong profile set.
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4IROW
Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:00:00 -
[504]
I'll take 200
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Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.07.31 00:22:00 -
[505]
Originally by: Seth Lorethian Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:25:19 Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:24:32 Edited by: Seth Lorethian on 30/07/2009 23:24:15
Originally by: Bad Bobby Two days left to go and about 50,000m left in the final block.
I checked and found myself listed twice in block 3.
I requested to have my 2nd 20M contribution set for block 4.
If there is a problem with this move, let me know in game as Kahn Engineer and we'll work something out.
Thanks.
Kahn Engineer here. Sorry wrong profile set.
He already replied to this before... There is no point to being in a later block... they are a queue. Once all the shares are actually purchased, everyone will get an equal share (per share).. the only reason the blocks become important is if a later one doesnt get filled all those shares don't get filled and get thrown out, so you want to have them in earlier blocks.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.07.31 03:13:00 -
[506]
Oh what the hell, put me down for 500m.
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Ardaeik Marconea
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:06:00 -
[507]
I'd like 50 shares thanks
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Roquezir
Minmatar Dark Fusion Fleet One Stop Research
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Posted - 2009.07.31 05:49:00 -
[508]
Put me down for 100 shares. Or put the whole damned IPO in EVE-Trade when we go live in about a week. ;)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.31 06:04:00 -
[509]
Originally by: XICD7 I don't mean an in-game share. You didn't even out me on the lsit for investors/share-holders for any of the blocks.
You'll be on the reservation list when I update it later today.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.31 06:06:00 -
[510]
Originally by: 5ilent 5hift Edited by: 5ilent 5hift on 30/07/2009 22:08:55 unfortunately im not going to be online for the next few days, would i be able to give my isk after or would that be a problem?
i am online for until about 10am gmt tomorrow if you want me to give it to you by then.
Edit: i'd like to place another 50mil of shares too please =]
Ok, send me the isk.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.07.31 06:46:00 -
[511]
Reservations updated. Blocks 1-3 are full, block 4 stands at 10745/61000.
Today is the last day of reservations. I will be requesting isk from those that have reservations in block 1 tommorrow.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.31 07:19:00 -
[512]
Bobby - I'm away tomorrow and possibly [hopefully] for a few days next week - want me to send my ist to you or bad bobby now. -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:06:00 -
[513]
Originally by: RaTTuS Bobby - I'm away tomorrow and possibly [hopefully] for a few days next week - want me to send my ist to you or bad bobby now.
Sure, send it to me.
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Necropski
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:41:00 -
[514]
Edited by: Necropski on 31/07/2009 08:41:37
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RaTTuS Bobby - I'm away tomorrow and possibly [hopefully] for a few days next week - want me to send my ist to you or bad bobby now.
Sure, send it to me.
Dito, I will also have to wire you the money afore (this evening), because tomorrow and the next week I will be in site consulting a client and staying in a rotten hotel room without internet connection.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.31 08:53:00 -
[515]
Originally by: Necropski I will also have to wire you the money afore (this evening)
Sure, send it over.
Originally by: Necropski because tomorrow and the next week I will be in site consulting a client and staying in a rotten hotel room without internet connection.
You have my sympathy!
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.07.31 09:43:00 -
[516]
Sent -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
5ilent 5hift
Devine Legion Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.07.31 10:45:00 -
[517]
isk sent =] |
DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:39:00 -
[518]
Originally by: Titans 4U Reservations updated. Blocks 1-3 are full, block 4 stands at 10745/61000.
Today is the last day of reservations. I will be requesting isk from those that have reservations in block 1 tommorrow.
How soon do you reckon before you ask Block 2 and 3 to start sending the ISKies?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:44:00 -
[519]
confirming receipt of shares |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:48:00 -
[520]
Originally by: DarthCaboose How soon do you reckon before you ask Block 2 and 3 to start sending the ISKies?
It depends on how quickly the isk collection for block 1 is completed, but I'd guess that it will be 5 days or so before I collect block 2.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.07.31 14:57:00 -
[521]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: DarthCaboose How soon do you reckon before you ask Block 2 and 3 to start sending the ISKies?
It depends on how quickly the isk collection for block 1 is completed, but I'd guess that it will be 5 days or so before I collect block 2.
Assuming sales patterns the same I'll have your billion tomorrow |
Necropski
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Posted - 2009.07.31 19:15:00 -
[522]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Necropski I will also have to wire you the money afore (this evening)
Sure, send it over.
Just sent the money to you.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2009.07.31 21:31:00 -
[523]
20 billion ISK sent to Bad Bobby in payment for reserve on Block One.
Emmgel
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Aidan Brooder
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:42:00 -
[524]
25 shares please... Last block, last minute, I know...
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Valnurana
Preta Light Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.31 22:56:00 -
[525]
Edited by: Valnurana on 31/07/2009 22:56:52 Bobby, I've sent you the total payment for 50 shares in block 1 and 50 shares in block 2 as I will not be available in the next week.
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Selinus
Amarr The Penumbra Initiative Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:50:00 -
[526]
50m ISK Sent for 50 shares To bad bobby.
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ApostleOfWar
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Posted - 2009.08.01 00:56:00 -
[527]
I'd like to reserve 10 shares |
Lecherito
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Posted - 2009.08.01 04:21:00 -
[528]
Posting in what is surely to be a historic event in MD. Bonne chance.
-L
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:10:00 -
[529]
Reservations are now closed.
Isk collection for Block 1 has begun.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran 200 - Cayce Pollard 10 - Cobalt Sixty 2000 - Yukon Kornelius 100 - Jastra 50 - Valnurana 1000 - Veldak Hieranat 100 - Luna Leecher 100 - Marcus Baltar 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista 10 - Gabriel Virtus 25000 - Ji Sama 3 - Estel Arador 100 - Roguehalo 40 - Jin Nib 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell 2000 - Jadun 300 - Felax Thurin 9 - Breaker77 1000 - Tre Introv 1000 - RaTTuS 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski 2000 - eVaLF 2000 - Micge 250 - Cinta Verick 50 - Selinus 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem 250 - Icaly 20000 - Emmgel 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Jilian Koll
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:18:00 -
[530]
200 mil sent for block 1
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.01 05:22:00 -
[531]
Originally by: RaTTuS Sent
When did you sent it and to which character, because I can't see it in my wallet?
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Mienka
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Posted - 2009.08.01 06:09:00 -
[532]
50 mil isk sent for block 1.
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Yukon Kornelius
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Posted - 2009.08.01 06:33:00 -
[533]
2,000,000,000 (two billion) sent to Bad Bobby for 2,000 block one shares.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.01 06:46:00 -
[534]
100mil isk sent
Kithran
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.01 07:56:00 -
[535]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: RaTTuS Sent
When did you sent it and to which character, because I can't see it in my wallet?
just before the post to bad bobby IIRC -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
Jastra
Gallente Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:04:00 -
[536]
isk sent _ _ _
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:13:00 -
[537]
isk sent
FREE jumpclone service: Thread|Podlog |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:43:00 -
[538]
Sent isk for my *Cough* Bundle *cough* of share(s)
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Roguehalo
Caldari RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:47:00 -
[539]
100m sent
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Icaly
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:51:00 -
[540]
250M Sent Thanks o7 and good luck
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:54:00 -
[541]
I know where it went - no worries - isk sent -- RaTTuS @ InEve, Capital Prints for sale |
Cinta Verick
Amarr 4th Dimension Investments
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Posted - 2009.08.01 08:59:00 -
[542]
isk sent
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Jadun
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Posted - 2009.08.01 09:45:00 -
[543]
isk sent.
luck is for the weak.
planing and thought out ipos i like more.
jadun
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.01 12:44:00 -
[544]
Hey Bobby
Are you going to leave Block 4 open to new reservations until it is time ot collect ISK for that block? That might give some extra time for people to get in on it.. I often find that I am too late for reservations and think it might give a few more people the opportunity to get in on this excellent IPO..
From what I am reading it will take 10-15 days to collect the ISK for the first 3 blocks. This extra time is a make or break situation for the 4th Block.
Thoughts?
[Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:26:00 -
[545]
I would like to reduce my reservation from 2500 shares to 1000. Sorry.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:42:00 -
[546]
9 million ssent for Block 1
40 million for block 3 and 100 million for block 4 (if it fills) left to send when ready.
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XICD7
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:43:00 -
[547]
I guess I wasn't supposed to send my ISK for block 4 yet? I guess I'll ask to get it back until block 4 payment collection comes around.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.08.01 13:58:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Block 1 70b FILLED ... 100 - Marcus Baltar ...
100,000,000 ISK sent 2009.08.01 13:57 to Titans 4U for 100 shares in Block 1 -- MBMDREP --
DesuSigs
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari Piezochem
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Posted - 2009.08.01 14:13:00 -
[549]
ISK has been sent
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.01 15:22:00 -
[550]
sent 50m isk for 50 shares to Bad Bobby for block 3 --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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veldak hieranat
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Posted - 2009.08.01 19:24:00 -
[551]
Many angels died to bring you this isk. 1B sent.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.01 22:03:00 -
[552]
Due to an unexpected business opportunity, I will be forced to drop all my reservations.
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vile56
Monsters
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Posted - 2009.08.01 22:12:00 -
[553]
if slot 4 is still open i would like to reserve 225 shares
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Albahaca
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Posted - 2009.08.01 22:16:00 -
[554]
200 for block 4 plz
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tre introv
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.08.02 02:47:00 -
[555]
Isk sent.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.02 06:44:00 -
[556]
Originally by: XICD7 I guess I wasn't supposed to send my ISK for block 4 yet? I guess I'll ask to get it back until block 4 payment collection comes around.
Your investment has been returned.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.02 06:49:00 -
[557]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 02/08/2009 06:52:48 Isk collection for Block 1 is in progress.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll
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Dr Nefarius
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Posted - 2009.08.02 10:49:00 -
[558]
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Due to an unexpected business opportunity, I will be forced to drop all my reservations.
I would be willing to fill that gap. Please set me up for 500 shares on block 3.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.02 10:55:00 -
[559]
40 mil sent to Titans 4U.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2009.08.02 11:29:00 -
[560]
In case the opportunity arises I'd want to invest another 300mil in whatever block (to fill gaps or complete 4).
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Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:14:00 -
[561]
Originally by: Dr Nefarius
Originally by: Dethmourne Silvermane Due to an unexpected business opportunity, I will be forced to drop all my reservations.
I would be willing to fill that gap. Please set me up for 500 shares on block 3.
I was under the impression that if someone dropped their shares, shares from the later blocks (in this case) block 4 would bump forward, is this not the case? As no offense to Dr. Nefarious, but I know there are folks in block 4 that want shares have already committed to the isk and are looking at not getting them due to 4 not filling.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.03 03:18:00 -
[562]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 02/08/2009 12:42:40 Isk collection for Block 1 is in progress.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll
My bad , missed the note and sent isk to Bad Bobby |
tendao
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Posted - 2009.08.03 05:52:00 -
[563]
I'm going to need to reduce my block 2 reservation to 500 million. Thanks.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:16:00 -
[564]
Originally by: Aelana Anais I was under the impression that if someone dropped their shares, shares from the later blocks (in this case) block 4 would bump forward, is this not the case?
That is exactly how it works.
The reservation list is just a queue. New reservations, regardless of what instructions they may give as to the positioning of their reservation as a result of their lack of understanding, are added to the end of the queue. If you reserved first, you get in first, if you reserved later, you get in later. There is no queue jumping, there is no moving your reservation about, their is just joining the end of the queue or leaving the queue.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:26:00 -
[565]
Isk collection for Block 1 is in progress.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 06:41:00 -
[566]
EVE-mail reminders have now been sent to all those on the block one list that have not sent their isk.
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Borakh Tieberius
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Posted - 2009.08.03 10:05:00 -
[567]
Due to a planetary leave, I have already transfered my part for block 3.
200m sent to Titans 4U.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:30:00 -
[568]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 03/08/2009 11:33:12 I've gone through all the cancellations and it appears that the first 7250m of the block 4 reservations will be moved into block 3. I have noted all cancellations in the reservation lists but I haven't adjusted the placement in the blocks or the block totals yet, I'll do that when I get a little more time.
Block 1 had one cancellation so Barbicane's reservation at the head of block 2 has been moved.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 11:31:00 -
[569]
Isk collection for Block 1 is in progress.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll [Cancelled] 1000 - Barbicane
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:10:00 -
[570]
Isk collection for Block 1 is in progress.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll [Cancelled] 1000 - Barbicane [Received] 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil [Received] 250 - Drall Warsong 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 100 - Bob Puz 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 1000 - Sencnes 200 - Andron Blaxcor 2000 - Gareth Motesque 30 - Du'Kar 1000 - Disbi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant 300 - Havok Pierce 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 100 - Magnus Orin 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 5000 - Conventia Underking
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.03 12:13:00 -
[571]
Ji Sama is unable to provide his funds until after the 7th, so I have moved up over 25000m of reservations from block 2 and I will put his reservation at the head of block 2. If there are any further delays on that reservation it will be moved to block 4.
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Calipha
Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.08.03 19:43:00 -
[572]
300m sent.
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Viktor Raybach
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Posted - 2009.08.03 23:40:00 -
[573]
250mil sent. Sorry for the delay, been buying a new car and house at the same time.
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Bob Puz
Gasive Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2009.08.04 01:07:00 -
[574]
100m Sent |
Takara Starbreeze
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:13:00 -
[575]
50m sent / Block IV (hopefully III) =)
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:25:00 -
[576]
Edited by: Gareth Montesque on 04/08/2009 02:28:33 2 Billion sent for 2000 shares block 1
Gareth
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.08.04 02:31:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Titans 4U Ji Sama is unable to provide his funds until after the 7th, so I have moved up over 25000m of reservations from block 2 and I will put his reservation at the head of block 2. If there are any further delays on that reservation it will be moved to block 4.
can you put a tick on block two where this move up ends?
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.04 05:48:00 -
[578]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 04/08/2009 05:48:35 Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach [Received] 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang 1000 - Julian Koll [Cancelled] 1000 - Barbicane [Received] 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil [Received] 250 - Drall Warsong 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha [Received] 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 100 - Bob Puz [Received] 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 1000 - Sencnes 200 - Andron Blaxcor 2000 - Gareth Motesque [Received] 30 - Du'Kar 1000 - Disbi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant [Received] 300 - Havok Pierce 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 100 - Magnus Orin 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 5000 - Conventia Underking
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Crebjr
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Posted - 2009.08.04 20:13:00 -
[579]
I would like to reserve 200mil for whichever block is available.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.05 05:11:00 -
[580]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 05/08/2009 05:11:06 These reservations will be bumped down if I don't see isk from them today:
7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 50 - Hunlight Faithus 500 - Xiu Liang
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KasAnna PhD
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Posted - 2009.08.05 10:31:00 -
[581]
I would like to reserve 1000 shares (1b isk) for any combination of available shares/blocks.
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Regis Nex
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Posted - 2009.08.05 16:34:00 -
[582]
I would like to reserve 300 shares (300 mil isk) from still available shares
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Conventia Underking
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:04:00 -
[583]
5 billion sent.
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2009.08.05 17:42:00 -
[584]
1 bil sent
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KasAnna PhD
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Posted - 2009.08.05 18:04:00 -
[585]
This is warning that a scam toon "Titan 4U", newly created today, is soliciting payment in-game. Most MD'ers are smart enough to avoid the trap, but thought I would alert just in case.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:24:00 -
[586]
Originally by: KasAnna PhD This is warning that a scam toon "Titan 4U", newly created today, is soliciting payment in-game. Most MD'ers are smart enough to avoid the trap, but thought I would alert just in case.
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Oxigun
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:31:00 -
[587]
My apologies, but investment and cash flow needs require me to reduce my reservation from 3500 to 500. Will send the isk when it is requested.
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Chloyee
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Posted - 2009.08.05 19:55:00 -
[588]
I've already reserved 50 shares (50mil) in Block IV, please increase my total share to 150 shares (150mil). Also, if there is any available space in earlier Blocks I'd appreciate being moved up (although it appears you simply bump everyone up a step in the event of a cancellation, well there's no harm in asking). Thanks.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.05 21:05:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: KasAnna PhD This is warning that a scam toon "Titan 4U", newly created today, is soliciting payment in-game. Most MD'ers are smart enough to avoid the trap, but thought I would alert just in case.
That's a bannable offense IIRC. Petition the bastard.
Confirming there is now a Titan 4U character in the game as well. I have no idea if he is trying to collect ISK though, but it should be a bannable offense, report him.
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:23:00 -
[590]
I sent 50M to Bad Bobby due to not being used to this. --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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KasAnna PhD
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Posted - 2009.08.05 23:44:00 -
[591]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Barbicane
Originally by: KasAnna PhD This is warning that a scam toon "Titan 4U", newly created today, is soliciting payment in-game. Most MD'ers are smart enough to avoid the trap, but thought I would alert just in case.
That's a bannable offense IIRC. Petition the bastard.
Confirming there is now a Titan 4U character in the game as well. I have no idea if he is trying to collect ISK though, but it should be a bannable offense, report him.
I submitted a petition. Unfortunately I didn't think to save the chat log with him, if he tries to contact any of you though, might be a good idea.
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Tisha Salona
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Posted - 2009.08.06 02:29:00 -
[592]
bump hello, good luck
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2009.08.06 05:41:00 -
[593]
Edited by: jwingenderowns on 06/08/2009 05:41:06
Originally by: KasAnna PhD
I submitted a petition. Unfortunately I didn't think to save the chat log with him, if he tries to contact any of you though, might be a good idea.
All your chat logs are kept in the EVE folder under logs fyi.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.08.06 06:31:00 -
[594]
I've paid up, please check your wallet etc.
Amarr for Life |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.06 06:39:00 -
[595]
More names added to the list due to no-shows.
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei [No Show] 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach [Received] 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus [No Show] 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang [No Show] 1000 - Julian Koll [Cancelled] 1000 - Barbicane [Received] 50 - Banni Vinda [Received] 200 - Dzil [Received] 250 - Drall Warsong 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa [Received] 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha [Received] 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 100 - Bob Puz [Received] 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 1000 - Sencnes [Received] 200 - Andron Blaxcor 2000 - Gareth Motesque [Received] 30 - Du'Kar 1000 - Disbi Dei [Received] 100 - Vernex [Received] 1000 - Etara Silverblade [Received] 400 - Alaki Kant [Received] 300 - Havok Pierce 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder [Received] 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 100 - Magnus Orin 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 5000 - Conventia Underking [Received] 200 - Daeris Milvaer [Received] 500 - Tendao 500 - Oxigun 500 - Tendao 1500 - Illushin Andropov 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 200 - Felax Thurin [Received] 250 - Archielaus 250 - Khan Sheidoh 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran 700 - Shae Laurel 100 - Glas Mir 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 200 - Mhagon 100 - Blurredweasel 50 - Thomas Windom 200 - Henkietankie 3000 - Tre Circuit
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Shae Laurel
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Posted - 2009.08.06 10:27:00 -
[596]
700 mill isk sent just now.
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tendao
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Posted - 2009.08.06 11:56:00 -
[597]
500 million sent.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:04:00 -
[598]
Originally by: tendao 500 million sent.
Thanks.
According to the post on page 4, you reserved 1000 shares in total:
Originally by: tendao Oops didn't update my post in time. Please put me in for an additional 500 shares (1000 total) thanks!
Do you wish to go ahead with that purchase or do you want me to reduce your reservation to 500?
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tendao
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:33:00 -
[599]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: tendao 500 million sent.
Thanks.
According to the post on page 4, you reserved 1000 shares in total:
Originally by: tendao Oops didn't update my post in time. Please put me in for an additional 500 shares (1000 total) thanks!
Do you wish to go ahead with that purchase or do you want me to reduce your reservation to 500?
Please reduce my reservation to 500. I had posted about this a few days earlier, but I think it was lost in the flood of reservation posts. Thanks and good luck!
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Circut
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Posted - 2009.08.06 12:42:00 -
[600]
Edited by: Circut on 06/08/2009 12:42:50 3B isk sent for 3K shares.
This is Tre Circuit
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.06 16:24:00 -
[601]
100 mil sent for my next 100 shares (were block 2 but were moved up)
Kithran
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:19:00 -
[602]
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list:
100 - Kithran [Received] 200 - Cayce Pollard [Received] 10 - Cobalt Sixty [Received] 2000 - Yukon Kornelius [Received] 100 - Jastra [Received] 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Veldak Hieranat [Received] 100 - Luna Leecher [Received] 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista [Received] 10 - Gabriel Virtus [Received] 25000 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 3 - Estel Arador [Received] 100 - Roguehalo [Received] 40 - Jin Nib [Received] 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei [No Show] 100 - Kwint Sommer [Received] 250 - Viktor Raybach [Received] 100 - Freya Lorell [Received] 2000 - Jadun [Received] 300 - Felax Thurin [Received] 9 - Breaker77 [Received] 1000 - Tre Introv [Received] 1000 - RaTTuS [Received] 50 - Hunlight Faithus [No Show] 50 - Mienka [Received] 2000 - Saehta [Received] 100 - Necropski [Received] 2000 - eVaLF [Received] 2000 - Micge [Received] 250 - Cinta Verick [Received] 50 - Selinus [Received] 1000 - Kazzac Elentria [Received] 50 - Iron Golem [Received] 250 - Icaly [Received] 20000 - Emmgel [Received] 500 - Xiu Liang [No Show] 1000 - Julian Koll [Cancelled] 1000 - Barbicane [Received] 50 - Banni Vinda [Received] 200 - Dzil [Received] 250 - Drall Warsong 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa [Received] 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha [Received] 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 100 - Bob Puz [Received] 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 1000 - Sencnes [Received] 200 - Andron Blaxcor 2000 - Gareth Motesque [Received] 30 - Du'Kar 1000 - Disbi Dei [Received] 100 - Vernex [Received] 1000 - Etara Silverblade [Received] 400 - Alaki Kant [Received] 300 - Havok Pierce 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder [Received] 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 100 - Magnus Orin 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 5000 - Conventia Underking [Received] 200 - Daeris Milvaer [Received] 500 - Tendao [Received] 500 - Oxigun [Received] 500 - Tendao [Cancelled] 1500 - Illushin Andropov 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 200 - Felax Thurin [Received] 250 - Archielaus 250 - Khan Sheidoh 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran [Received] 700 - Shae Laurel [Received] 100 - Glas Mir 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana [Received] 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 200 - Mhagon 100 - Blurredweasel 50 - Thomas Windom 200 - Henkietankie 3000 - Tre Circuit [Received]
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar Heavy Influence Atropos.
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Posted - 2009.08.06 17:43:00 -
[603]
ill send mine tonight when i get home from work. sorry for the delay
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Hen Broon
Amarr El Bastardos Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.08.06 19:38:00 -
[604]
I'll buy 200 shares (200 million sk) if slots still available? Thankyou
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.08.06 20:46:00 -
[605]
200m sent, will send the isk for block 3 when its called for.
Thanks
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.07 01:32:00 -
[606]
Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 07/08/2009 01:35:18
It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected. In the interest of full disclosure can we have any one of the four trustees state that the BPO has been purchased and is in locked down mode? Thanks.
EDIT: Will be sending my isk when I hear an affirmative to that.
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.08.07 03:06:00 -
[607]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 07/08/2009 01:46:25
It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected. In the interest of full disclosure can we have any one of the four trustees state that the BPO has been purchased and is in locked down mode? Thanks. (if they already did and I missed it... appoligies)
EDIT: Will be sending my isk when I hear an affirmative to that.
32.5 billion or so in reservations for the first bpo were delayed so a bunch of reservations from block 2 have been moved up to block one. Block one has not been fully collected yet and it looks like your one of the lucky block 2 reservations
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.07 05:46:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected.
This is not yet the case. Due to cancellations, no shows and delayed payments I have promoted a number of reservations from block 2 into block 1, yours being one of those.
Once I have collected isk from all of those on the current collection list I will have enough for the first BPO and the other infrastructure elements required. I will then purchase, transport and lock down the first BPO and request that the Trustees confirm this. Once that is done I will post the next collection list and gather funds for the second BPO.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.08.07 10:53:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 07/08/2009 06:50:58 Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list: ... 100 - Marcus Baltar [Received] ... 150 - Marcus Baltar ...
150,000,000 ISK sent to Titans 4U 2009.08.07 10:49 for 150 more shares.
Thanks. -- MBMDREP --
DesuSigs
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2009.08.07 11:54:00 -
[610]
As I was expecting to be in block 2, I do not have the isk available yet. Can I delay to block 2?
Also, I added up the amount of isk being collected from your list and found a total of 75,873M. Isn't block one supposed to be 70M?
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.07 12:54:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan As I was expecting to be in block 2, I do not have the isk available yet. Can I delay to block 2?
No problem. I will mark you down as delayed and you will be at the top of the list when I collect for block 2.
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Also, I added up the amount of isk being collected from your list and found a total of 75,873M. Isn't block one supposed to be 70M?
Yes. I have to confess to being a little sloppy when it comes to dealing with adjustments to the list.
In the various adjustments I have made to the list I have never "split" any reservations, so if a reservation is the last on the list and goes over the 70b boundary I include the whole reservation rather that splitting it between the first and second block. Whenever a cancellation, reduction, delay or no-show has resulted in reservations from block 2 being moved to block 1 I have only concerned myself with the amount I am seeking to replace and I have not recounted the total in the block. Over multiple adjustments this has resulted in over 5b in "creep" beyond the 70b target.
Taking your 1000m out of block 1 reduces that to 74873.
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Moon Dogg
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.07 13:48:00 -
[612]
I will send my 300 mil today at lunch. Sorry for the delay!
*********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..." |
Mhagon
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:02:00 -
[613]
Edited by: Mhagon on 07/08/2009 19:01:58 hi 200m sent
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:27:00 -
[614]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected.
This is not yet the case. Due to cancellations, no shows and delayed payments I have promoted a number of reservations from block 2 into block 1, yours being one of those.
Being a bit gunshy about investments I purposely made my reservation to be in the 2nd block to see how the 1st BPO buy went.
Please allow my paymnet to remain in the 2nd BPO buy.
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SaucyOne
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Posted - 2009.08.07 19:58:00 -
[615]
100 shares for me please
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.07 20:30:00 -
[616]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected.
This is not yet the case. Due to cancellations, no shows and delayed payments I have promoted a number of reservations from block 2 into block 1, yours being one of those.
Being a bit gunshy about investments I purposely made my reservation to be in the 2nd block to see how the 1st BPO buy went.
Please allow my paymnet to remain in the 2nd BPO buy.
No problem, I've listed your reservation as delayed.
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Moon Dogg
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.08.07 21:15:00 -
[617]
ISK sent.
*********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..." |
Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.07 22:41:00 -
[618]
I would like to buy 250 shares(250m ISK) if they are still available.
Thank you.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.08 06:06:00 -
[619]
Originally by: "Malice Preston" I have 100 shares reserved in block 3 of the ipo. I am currently selling this char and I would like the share allocation to go to my main if possible, Emnity Preston.
Reservation transferred.
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Shusui
Gallente Whitestar Industries Research and Development
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Posted - 2009.08.08 07:15:00 -
[620]
Hi I too would like to purchase 300 shares (300m) if you have not yet reached the maximum threshold yet.
Shusui
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Kane Portnoy
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Posted - 2009.08.08 11:27:00 -
[621]
if there is anything left, plz call me in for 100 shares!
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Azrel
Kyoha Shinto
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Posted - 2009.08.08 12:03:00 -
[622]
Sorry for being late, payment sent.
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.08 14:04:00 -
[623]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise It appears that the money for the first Titan BPO has been collected.
This is not yet the case. Due to cancellations, no shows and delayed payments I have promoted a number of reservations from block 2 into block 1, yours being one of those.
Being a bit gunshy about investments I purposely made my reservation to be in the 2nd block to see how the 1st BPO buy went.
Please allow my paymnet to remain in the 2nd BPO buy.
This was exactly the same reason why I tried to split my investments into block 3 and then block 4.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.08.08 17:44:00 -
[624]
It appears 1 titan BPO has been locked down.
<Amarr's signature> |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.08 18:20:00 -
[625]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 It appears 1 titan BPO has been locked down.
Yes, our Leviathan BPO is now locked down in station.
I'll open up block 2 collection tommorrow morning as I am not presently sober enough to compile a list.
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GX307
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:10:00 -
[626]
If there was or if some room in block 2 opens up for me to double my whopping 10M to 20, I would.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.08 23:54:00 -
[627]
if possible I'd also like to increase my reservation from 10m to 50m
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Captain Rawr
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Posted - 2009.08.09 00:50:00 -
[628]
If there are still shares available I'd like to reserve 100 shares for a total of 100m.
Thanks
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.09 03:09:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 It appears 1 titan BPO has been locked down.
Yes, our Leviathan BPO is now locked down in station.
I'll open up block 2 collection tommorrow morning as I am not presently sober enough to compile a list.
Yes drink for now...
Only 3 more "collection" phases to go, eh?
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Kiree Chancel
Caldari ATRISC
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:23:00 -
[630]
I would like to reserve 100 shares (100,000,000ISK) in the first block available, please.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:40:00 -
[631]
The state of play at this point is...
These are the collected reservations from block 1:
100 - Kithran 200 - Cayce Pollard 10 - Cobalt Sixty 2000 - Yukon Kornelius 100 - Jastra 50 - Valnurana 1000 - Veldak Hieranat 100 - Luna Leecher 100 - Marcus Baltar 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista 10 - Gabriel Virtus 3 - Estel Arador 100 - Roguehalo 40 - Jin Nib 100 - Kwint Sommer 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell 2000 - Jadun 300 - Felax Thurin 9 - Breaker77 1000 - Tre Introv 1000 - RaTTuS 50 - Mienka 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski 2000 - eVaLF 2000 - Micge 250 - Cinta Verick 50 - Selinus 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem 250 - Icaly 20000 - Emmgel 1000 - Julian Koll 1000 - Barbicane 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha 100 - Bob Puz 1000 - Sencnes 2000 - Gareth Motesque 1000 - Dibsi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 100 - Magnus Orin 5000 - Conventia Underking 200 - Daeris Milvaer 500 - Tendao 500 - Oxigun 200 - Felax Thurin 250 - Archielaus 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran 700 - Shae Laurel 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana 200 - Mhagon 3000 - Tre Circuit
These are the outstanding reservations from block 1:
250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 1500 - Illushin Andropov 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Glas Mir 100 - Blurredweasel 50 - Thomas Windom 200 - Henkietankie
These reservations were delayed from block 1 and are due in block 2:
25000 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan
These reservations were not paid for in block 1 and I await confirmation from these people before I put them back on the list:
7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:51:00 -
[632]
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on these lists:
Block 1:
250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 1500 - Illushin Andropov 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Glas Mir 100 - Blurredweasel 50 - Thomas Windom 200 - Henkietankie
Block 2:
25000 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 5 - Super Extremo 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 25 - Zumatra 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirshG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 125 - Marcus Baltar 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 2000 - BIG Brain 200 - Xi Khan 250 - Skyvyr 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 150 - Coupe Soleil 10 - D'ceet 300 - Akimori 20 - Anli Niren 250 - Mikael Genexi 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 200 - Amoc Reel 500 - Taevan 10 - Orion Pheonix 10 - Montmazar 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 300 - Nobaudee 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 500 - Adsion 500 - Tamati Tama 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 50 - Shadowhawk38 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 25 - YorikR32 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 200 - Borakh Tieberius 100 - Moochai 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 50 - H0mer 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.09 06:56:00 -
[633]
isk sent
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The Mattius
Enigma Technologies
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Posted - 2009.08.09 08:07:00 -
[634]
500 mil isk sent 2009.08.09
For 500 shares
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2009.08.09 12:16:00 -
[635]
Block 2:
2000 - Phoebe Halliwel
Isk sent
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.09 12:55:00 -
[636]
40 million ISK sent
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.09 13:56:00 -
[637]
Confirming that 25,000,000 ISK sent to Titans 4U for 25 shares in Block 2 as reserved.
:) [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Katiya Khadiija
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Posted - 2009.08.09 14:02:00 -
[638]
1 billion sent.
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Coupe Soleil
Hitchhikers Inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 14:23:00 -
[639]
150M isk sent
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HirschG
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:28:00 -
[640]
100mil sent -------------
Matari ships ARE the real deal |
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tre introv
Annihilate. Avarice.
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Posted - 2009.08.09 15:42:00 -
[641]
1bil sent for block 2.
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2009.08.09 16:41:00 -
[642]
50M sent for block 2
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Foolish Bob
Caldari FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:13:00 -
[643]
200M Sent for block 2 ----------- I am me. I am not the corp I've joined nor the alliance I fly in.
I'm also not a unique and special snowflake.
Everything I say should be taken in that context. |
Galal Dax
The Panopticon G-R-I-E-V-A-N-C-E
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Posted - 2009.08.09 17:55:00 -
[644]
200M for Block 2 ISK sent
Block 2:
200 - Galal Dax
Thanks.
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BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2009.08.09 18:42:00 -
[645]
100m Isk sent Wahh I broke my signature that I broke before and then it was fixed. |
Montmazar
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:17:00 -
[646]
Originally by: Titans 4U Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on these lists:
10 - Montmazar
sent
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Thomas Windom
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Posted - 2009.08.09 20:57:00 -
[647]
50M sent.
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Illushin Andropov
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Posted - 2009.08.09 22:09:00 -
[648]
1.5bil sent
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CrazyArsed Monkey
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2009.08.09 22:24:00 -
[649]
Money transferred for 2500 shares, Cheers!
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.10 00:41:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 It appears 1 titan BPO has been locked down.
Confirming |
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.10 00:48:00 -
[651]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 It appears 1 titan BPO has been locked down.
Confirming
Eeeeexcellent!
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Angor
KAHONAS
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Posted - 2009.08.10 01:26:00 -
[652]
50mil sent 50 shares block 2 _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!! |
Zaepho
Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.08.10 02:49:00 -
[653]
Waiting on a withdrawal on my ebank account. Am i out entirely or can i still get in for the original reservation of 200?
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.08.10 04:30:00 -
[654]
250m sent Block 2 |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.10 06:10:00 -
[655]
Originally by: Zaepho Waiting on a withdrawal on my ebank account. Am i out entirely or can i still get in for the original reservation of 200?
You are not out at all and you have plenty of time to send your isk.
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. Slightly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.10 06:56:00 -
[656]
ISK sent for Block 2.
.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.08.10 09:13:00 -
[657]
confirming 4 bil sent for the requested 4k shares (3000 and 1000 in block 2 ) ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.10 15:08:00 -
[658]
100 mill sent to Titans 4U
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BarryGibb
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:15:00 -
[659]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 10/08/2009 06:22:39 Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on these lists:
Block 2:
100 - BarryGibb
ISK Sent
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Teavan
Gallente First CityWide Change Bank
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Posted - 2009.08.10 16:55:00 -
[660]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 10/08/2009 06:22:39 Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on these lists:
Block 2:
500 - Taevan
I have sent in my isk.
You have my name spelled incorrectly, the a and e are reversed.
Here is my original reservation.
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Zaepho
Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.08.10 18:08:00 -
[661]
Originally by: Titans 4U
You are not out at all and you have plenty of time to send your isk.
Thanks! ISK Sent.
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Rorix Bladewing
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:15:00 -
[662]
Isk Sent |
DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.10 19:44:00 -
[663]
60 million ISK sent, note that this should cover both of my current bids split up into two parts of 20 million and 40 million.
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Adsion
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Posted - 2009.08.10 20:12:00 -
[664]
ISK Sent
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Ossey
Domini Umbrus
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Posted - 2009.08.10 21:12:00 -
[665]
Isk sent
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.08.10 23:21:00 -
[666]
Has stock issuance begun? I'm asking because I show 200 shares in my account but paid in 2000M isk.
Gareth
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.11 02:41:00 -
[667]
500m ISK sent to Titans 4U. -----
Originally by: CCP Mitnal please don't make allegations about other people's sexuality, post in avoidance of the forum filter and especially not post derogatory comments about someone else's mother |
Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.11 08:18:00 -
[668]
Originally by: Gareth Montesque Has stock issuance begun?
No, I have not sent out any shares yet. The shares will be sent out once all the isk collection is completed. I need to action a corp vote to create the correct number of shares, but I can't be 100% sure what that number will be until all the isk is collected.
Originally by: Gareth Montesque I'm asking because I show 200 shares in my account but paid in 2000M isk.
I don't think they are "Titans For You" shares, because the 1000 shares that currently exist are all in my wallet.
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Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.11 08:46:00 -
[669]
200m sent for Block 2 reservation
*Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.11 12:53:00 -
[670]
So if you can't get the last slot filled you wont get all 4 titan bpos?
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.08.11 13:18:00 -
[671]
Originally by: Gareth Montesque Has stock issuance begun? I'm asking because I show 200 shares in my account but paid in 2000M isk.
Gareth
Did you send the 2b to the right guy?
Also if block 4 doesnt fill, obviously we dont buy it
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.08.11 14:58:00 -
[672]
Ha, nevermind. It is shares left over from the previous failed Titan IPO offering.
Gareth
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:01:00 -
[673]
is block 4 fully subscribed? Or can i still get in? let me know and if available i will invest later today when i get home.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.11 15:50:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Yarinor So if you can't get the last slot filled you wont get all 4 titan bpos?
Correct!
Originally by: Atherin Gaius is block 4 fully subscribed? Or can i still get in?
Block 4 is not fully subscribed. You can still get in.
I am still adding any new reservations to the queue. This is not because I think we can fill up block 4, but because I think that those reservations may be needed to keep block 3 filled after cancellations, reductions and no-shows are taken into account.
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Hen Broon
Amarr El Bastardos Freedom of Elbas
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:15:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Yarinor So if you can't get the last slot filled you wont get all 4 titan bpos?
Correct!
Originally by: Atherin Gaius is block 4 fully subscribed? Or can i still get in?
Block 4 is not fully subscribed. You can still get in.
I am still adding any new reservations to the queue. This is not because I think we can fill up block 4, but because I think that those reservations may be needed to keep block 3 filled after cancellations, reductions and no-shows are taken into account.
I posted a few days ago asking if there was slots still available so i could buy 200 shares. If there are more slots to fill then the 200 share offer still applies
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Kerovan
Gallente Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2009.08.11 16:45:00 -
[676]
Per our conversation in game, I have sent the money for 20 shares for block 3 due to I will be out of town and not able to log in at the time block 3 will be due.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:14:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Hen Broon I posted a few days ago asking if there was slots still available so i could buy 200 shares. If there are more slots to fill then the 200 share offer still applies
Yes, I read your post and I put you onto the reservation list (see page 1 of this thread, posts 4 and 5).
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:39:00 -
[678]
I would like to reserve 100 shares, for any block where there is room. I will not have a chance to send the isk until later tonight; you will have it within 12 hours.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.11 17:53:00 -
[679]
Originally by: Andrea Griffin I would like to reserve 100 shares, for any block where there is room. I will not have a chance to send the isk until later tonight; you will have it within 12 hours.
I'll add you to the reservation list. Don't send isk to me yet, wait until your name appears on the isk collection list.
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:10:00 -
[680]
Originally by: Titans 4U I'll add you to the reservation list. Don't send isk to me yet, wait until your name appears on the isk collection list.
Gotcha.
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.11 18:52:00 -
[681]
From what I understand you are not collecting isk for block 3 just yet?
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ZulM
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Posted - 2009.08.11 19:55:00 -
[682]
Due to some unforseen circumstances I am forced to cancel my reservation. Best of luck.
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Alanee'a Unakarakta
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Posted - 2009.08.11 21:27:00 -
[683]
Edited by: Alanee''a Unakarakta on 11/08/2009 21:28:03 I would like to get 300 shares, all 4 groups ok, even distributed troughout em.
.a ------------------ - - - -_^
send me eve-related links, and make ISK'ies @
www.3v3-online.com
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:09:00 -
[684]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Please allow my paymnet to remain in the 2nd BPO buy.
No problem, I've listed your reservation as delayed.
Isk sent
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:46:00 -
[685]
750 million ISK sent to Titans 4U
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TraderAlt 3104989531
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Posted - 2009.08.12 04:58:00 -
[686]
I see you have started collecting for the second BPO. Has the first BPO been bought/locked down? If not, when can we expect that?
I only mention this because it seems a bit more insecure to send you isk for all the BPO's and then have you lock them down. I was under the impression ass you collected enough for each BPO you would purchase and have that locked down till you went to the next.
~70 Billion I trust you with, 250B+ and I start getting nervous.
Thank you for your consideration
(Obviously an alt of a concerned investor)
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.08.12 05:38:00 -
[687]
Originally by: TraderAlt 3104989531 I see you have started collecting for the second BPO. Has the first BPO been bought/locked down?
See post 625 and 650.
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Elite The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.08.12 06:20:00 -
[688]
Hi
If the offer has not yet closed ou, I would like to reserve 20 shares
Cheers Dafydd
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.12 08:44:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Dafydd ab'Rhys Hi
If the offer has not yet closed ou, I would like to reserve 20 shares
Cheers Dafydd
sigh just read this a few posts up - yes you can still reserve -- 3 Titans Lottery
InEve | Capital |
ShogunAssassin
Luppratazzi Crime Family
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Posted - 2009.08.12 12:29:00 -
[690]
Could I reserve 250 shares for block 4.
Quote:
"Naaah, lets make tyres illegal! That'll slow the buggers down!"
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2009.08.12 13:40:00 -
[691]
isk sent :)
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Regis Nex
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Posted - 2009.08.12 16:33:00 -
[692]
200 shares for Block 4 please Booboo Bear Pew Pew |
Manandoun
Caldari Ravenusque
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Posted - 2009.08.12 20:09:00 -
[693]
I would like to reserve 300 shares for block 4, please.
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Drall Warsong
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.08.12 23:45:00 -
[694]
250M ISK sent for 250 shares.
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Zaintiraris
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.08.13 00:03:00 -
[695]
183m sent on behalf of Maildeaddrop. ---
Originally by: CCP Hammer This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.13 05:40:00 -
[696]
Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on these lists:
Block 1:
250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 7 - Packtu'sa 183 - MailDeadDrop 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 1500 - Illushin Andropov 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Glas Mir 100 - Blurredweasel 50 - Thomas Windom 200 - Henkietankie
Block 2:
25000 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 5 - Super Extremo 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 25 - Zumatra 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirshG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 125 - Marcus Baltar 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 2000 - BIG Brain 200 - Xi Khan 250 - Skyvyr 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 150 - Coupe Soleil 10 - D'ceet 300 - Akimori 20 - Anli Niren 250 - Mikael Genexi 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 200 - Amoc Reel 500 - Teavan 10 - Orion Pheonix 10 - Montmazar 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 300 - Nobaudee 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 500 - Adsion 500 - Tamati Tama 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 50 - Shadowhawk38 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 25 - YorikR32 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 200 - Borakh Tieberius 100 - Moochai 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 50 - H0mer 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero
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Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium
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Posted - 2009.08.13 07:51:00 -
[697]
200m sent for my block 3 reservation
*Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Shikoh
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Posted - 2009.08.13 11:30:00 -
[698]
Hi there!
I want to reserve 5000 shares if there is still room anywere :).
cheers shikoh
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blunter
FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.08.13 14:44:00 -
[699]
Okay maybe a first in this epic thread..... Its begging time...
Spare Change anyone?..... Change??
Bad Bobby.... You look well off... any spare change for an old friend???
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.13 15:58:00 -
[700]
Originally by: blunter Okay maybe a first in this epic thread..... Its begging time...
Spare Change anyone?..... Change??
Bad Bobby.... You look well off... any spare change for an old friend???
If you are looking for work, I have use for a Tea boy.
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Snickrot
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Posted - 2009.08.13 18:32:00 -
[701]
taking a few weeks off eve, sending in isk for the 50 shares of block 3 early
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Zaepho
Gallente Phoenix Propulsion Labs
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Posted - 2009.08.13 19:11:00 -
[702]
ISK was sent on the 10th, hopefully my name in green means that all is well.
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MightyFearMan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.13 23:42:00 -
[703]
100M ISK sent for my reservation
Thanks!
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Jacen Zar
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Posted - 2009.08.14 06:25:00 -
[704]
100M sent.
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GX307
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Posted - 2009.08.14 07:21:00 -
[705]
I'm game to invest another whopping 10M whether it fits in Block 3 or 4 doesn't matter to me.
Thanks!
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Moonacre
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:16:00 -
[706]
100M Sent
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Minipod
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:18:00 -
[707]
100M Sent
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Leviathan Taylor
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Posted - 2009.08.14 16:20:00 -
[708]
100M Sent for IPO
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SarcasticDwarf
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Posted - 2009.08.14 18:49:00 -
[709]
Is anyone else concerned by the apparent lack of isk being transfered? It seems like half the people on that list have not paid yet after several days (a week?).
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veldak hieranat
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:01:00 -
[710]
my .02 isk worth; collections do seem slow but it's a lot of people, at a time of year when people are generally a little harder to get hold of. I'm sure a certain percentage of those who made reservations have forgotten, left, taken a break or are embarrassed to admit that they can't deliver. I'm also sure a percentage (hopefully small) are outright trolls.
I think there needs to be a "kick in or get pushed to the back of the line" deadline or BB is going to go nuts chasing people. I'm sure there are people in tranche 3 and 4 who would be happy to be moved up. I also think that nothing would spur collections and reservations for the rest of block 4 quite as well as the announcement that the first BPO is purchased and locked down (if that's possible). I'm sure it would pull a lot of fence sitters and general doubters in. In any event, a tip of the hat to BB for dealing with this mess and apparently keeping it straight. It's like herding cats and training them to play fetch.
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Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.08.14 20:27:00 -
[711]
I know i am way late, but if there is any chance to reserve and pay for 25 shares (25m), in whichever block I can fit in, it would be greatly appreciated.
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ShogunAssassin
Luppratazzi Crime Family
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Posted - 2009.08.14 22:52:00 -
[712]
If slots become available in Block 3, I can switch my reservation from Block 4 to Block 3.
Quote:
"Naaah, lets make tyres illegal! That'll slow the buggers down!"
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.08.15 05:17:00 -
[713]
Originally by: veldak hieranat
I think there needs to be a "kick in or get pushed to the back of the line" deadline or BB is going to go nuts chasing people. I'm sure there are people in tranche 3 and 4 who would be happy to be moved up.
Waving hands in the air franticly to second this... I am in traunch 3 and would love to move up the line... My 1-B is burning a hole in my pocket.
Originally by: veldak hieranat
I also think that nothing would spur collections and reservations for the rest of block 4 quite as well as the announcement that the first BPO is purchased and locked down (if that's possible). I'm sure it would pull a lot of fence sitters and general doubters in.
Nothing attracts money like success. BB may want to consolidate all collections upward to traunch 1 to get the first BPO purchased and locked down.
Originally by: veldak hieranat
In any event, a tip of the hat to BB for dealing with this mess and apparently keeping it straight.
Big Thumbs up here as well... BB has taken on a big job... but then again, I am sure he is up to the task.
Originally by: veldak hieranat
It's like herding cats and training them to play fetch.
Now this would be worth paying money to watch...
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:14:00 -
[714]
I've been a bit busy this week, so I haven't been able to give this as much attention as I would have liked. I'll start hurring things along now.
Originally by: Krylon Rhae Nothing attracts money like success. BB may want to consolidate all collections upward to traunch 1 to get the first BPO purchased and locked down.
The first BPO has already been purchased, locked down and is copying.
AC155 stated this on post 624 on page 21 and Kazzac confirmed in post 650 on page 22.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:33:00 -
[715]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 15/08/2009 07:34:16 Block 1 is now closed, this is the list of investors:
100 - Kithran 200 - Cayce Pollard 10 - Cobalt Sixty 2000 - Yukon Kornelius 100 - Jastra 50 - Valnurana 1000 - Veldak Hieranat 100 - Luna Leecher 100 - Marcus Baltar 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista 10 - Gabriel Virtus 3 - Estel Arador 100 - Roguehalo 40 - Jin Nib 100 - Kwint Sommer 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell 2000 - Jadun 300 - Felax Thurin 9 - Breaker77 1000 - Tre Introv 1000 - RaTTuS 50 - Mienka 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski 2000 - eVaLF 2000 - Micge 250 - Cinta Verick 50 - Selinus 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem 250 - Icaly 20000 - Emmgel 1000 - Julian Koll 1000 - Barbicane 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha 100 - Bob Puz 1000 - Sencnes 2000 - Gareth Motesque 1000 - Dibsi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 100 - Magnus Orin 5000 - Conventia Underking 200 - Daeris Milvaer 500 - Tendao 500 - Oxigun 200 - Felax Thurin 250 - Archielaus 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran 700 - Shae Laurel 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana 200 - Mhagon 3000 - Tre Circuit 250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 183 - MailDeadDrop 1500 - Illushin Andropov 100 - Glas Mir 50 - Thomas Windom
74006 - Total (4006 over target)
These are the no-shows from block 1:
7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus
These reservations were delayed from block 1 and moved to block 2:
25000 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.15 07:39:00 -
[716]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 15/08/2009 07:38:56 Send your isk to Titans 4U if you are on this list.
All reservations on this list that are not honoured today will be bumped down.
Block 2:
25000 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 5 - Super Extremo 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 25 - Zumatra 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirshG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 125 - Marcus Baltar 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 2000 - BIG Brain 200 - Xi Khan 250 - Skyvyr 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 150 - Coupe Soleil 10 - D'ceet 300 - Akimori 20 - Anli Niren 250 - Mikael Genexi 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 200 - Amoc Reel 500 - Teavan 10 - Orion Pheonix 10 - Montmazar 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 300 - Nobaudee 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 500 - Adsion 500 - Tamati Tama 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 50 - Shadowhawk38 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 25 - YorikR32 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 200 - Borakh Tieberius 100 - Moochai 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 50 - H0mer 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:27:00 -
[717]
I'll delay mine to block 3 if that's OK No Sig for me anymore |
Marnurn
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Posted - 2009.08.15 08:55:00 -
[718]
Edited by: Marnurn on 15/08/2009 08:55:22 5 billion ISK has been sent for my reservation in block 2.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.15 17:06:00 -
[719]
will transfer isk later this evening :)
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Garith Arden
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Posted - 2009.08.15 18:08:00 -
[720]
i would like to get 100 shares for whichever block is still open please and thank you
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2009.08.15 18:25:00 -
[721]
ISK sent.
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Ishikari
Gallente Duct Tape Inc. New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.15 21:46:00 -
[722]
Put me down for 500 shares.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.16 08:59:00 -
[723]
Ok, the state of play with Block 2 is:
The following investors have sent their isk:
5450 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirshG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 200 - Xi Khan 150 - Coupe Soleil 300 - Akimori 250 - Mikael Genexi 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 500 - Teavan 10 - Montmazar 300 - Nobaudee 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 500 - Adsion 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - YorikR32 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero
Total: 32005
The following have delayed their reservations to Block 3:
19550 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 2000 - BIG Brain [Delayed] 125 - Marcus Baltar [Delayed]
The following are no-shows and are being bumped down:
50 - H0mer 200 - Borakh Tieberius 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 50 - Shadowhawk38 500 - Tamati Tama 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 10 - Orion Pheonix 200 - Amoc Reel 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes 20 - Anli Niren 10 - D'ceet 250 - Skyvyr 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 25 - Zumatra 5 - Super Extremo
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.16 09:15:00 -
[724]
I have received 74006/70000 of block 1 and 32005/66000 of block 2. So with the overflow from block 1 moved into block 2 we are at 36011/66000.
I am therefore moving 29989m in reservations up into block 2.
List to follow!
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.16 09:31:00 -
[725]
If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
50 - Cruel Sculpture 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 200 - Cruel Sculpture 150 - Elenos 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 100 - Costas Decimia 20 - Nitakko 1000 - Krylon Rhae 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 20 - Carilan Harritak 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 1000 - Lord Schmock 2000 - leonrussell1982 100 - Daynne Jerreous 10 - Random27 5 - Reaper Cross 250 - Solano 200 - Matan Gandi 30 - Rhivre 500 - Tahlith 100 - Albator 30 - Eelis Kiy 150 - Kira Firestarter 100 - Ghost Hunter 100 - Ti Chi 10 - Serving Maid 50 - Whooricane 50 - Terrel Capelle 50 - Cinder Roze 100 - R Sharpe 150 - dentist bob 200 - Klausan 100 - Batlee 100 - Kahn Bloodbane 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 100 - Amish Juggernaut 500 - Marty Brice 40 - rexus I 100 - Anfinity 100 - talemacus 50 - Lem Sip 100 - holefx 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 100 - Gabriel Angelus 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 1000 - Glenys / Bevania 750 - SarcasticDwarf 10 - Biiza Obrav 1000 - Doc Alaska 10 - Daeva Vios 40 - DarthCaboose 20 - JoseCanUsee 300 - tinnsoldier 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1 - Eenbal 200 - Mini Kadi 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 50 - HellSparrow 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 1000 - ArymAramanska 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 10 - Alya Mecklin 200 - Stellar Reaper 200 - Mortality 25 - Shamasu 300 - Choans 100 - Pierced Brosmen 3 - DRKabal 50 - WiseMaster 250 - Hel O'Ween 5 - Flynt Ironstag 250 - Fleshbot 20 - Kahn Engineer 1000 - Lun Skyfell 100 - Sanyo Santiago 50 - BlackMail 20 - Kahn Engineer 100 - General Mic 100 - Blud Ayngel 50 - H3dAF0 500 - Miainsa Neppl 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 50 - De Bawa 2000 - Squatch
Total: 30817
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Silvermoon Armanis
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.16 10:58:00 -
[726]
Due to the number of People that have no shown in this I would like to up my reservation to 60 shares. You currently are asking for 40 from me but i would like to send the full 60 now, Can you Eve mail me in game to confirm that i can send that full amount now?
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firehelix
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Posted - 2009.08.16 11:48:00 -
[727]
20 mil isk sent
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CEOcat
CAT Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.16 12:06:00 -
[728]
50m isk sent for my reservation in block 3 CAT Corp - BPO/BPC store |
Klausan
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2009.08.16 15:59:00 -
[729]
200 Mil sent.
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.08.16 16:02:00 -
[730]
500m sent
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Mi5
Revered Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.08.16 18:04:00 -
[731]
50 million isk sent.
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Borakh Tieberius
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Posted - 2009.08.16 18:41:00 -
[732]
Page 19:
Quote:
Posted - 2009.08.03 10:05:00 - [567] Due to a planetary leave, I have already transfered my part for block 3.
200m sent to Titans 4U.
Please put me back in the block.
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Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.16 18:42:00 -
[733]
Aww, I was hoping to be contributing specifically to the Avatar (hail Amarr!) but honestly it doesn't matter that much. :P
I'm currently not at a computer that can run EVE, but I'll send my isk as soon as I get home later tonight. :)
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PaaDii
North Star Networks Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.16 19:15:00 -
[734]
If you still accept reservations/offers to buy shares count me in for 200mil isk of shares. Please contact me on evemail if possible.
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.08.16 20:49:00 -
[735]
Originally by: Titans 4U ltar [Delayed][/yellow]
The following are no-shows and are being bumped down:
250 - Skyvyr
I never saw the call for isk (on block 3) since I was orig in block 3 before the various delays. If still able I shall send the isk tonight.
-- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Squatch
Caldari Defenders of the Faith
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Posted - 2009.08.16 20:51:00 -
[736]
Originally by: Titans 4U 2000 - Squatch
ISK sent
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2009.08.16 21:00:00 -
[737]
1 bil. ISK sent just now. |
Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2009.08.16 21:36:00 -
[738]
Sent 500 Million ISK 2009.08.16 21:34
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:01:00 -
[739]
30m + 20m sent for my reservations.
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Vasta Magna
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:34:00 -
[740]
1,000m ISK sent |
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Aloe Cloveris
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Posted - 2009.08.16 22:47:00 -
[741]
Yay! Just squeaked in on block 2! \o/
75m sent.
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Lem Sip
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 00:22:00 -
[742]
50m ISK sent.
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Rakeraker
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 04:11:00 -
[743]
5m sent.
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Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 05:33:00 -
[744]
Isk sent.
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.08.17 06:28:00 -
[745]
I finally popped up on the list... I'll send my isk when I get home this evening.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:30:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Borakh Tieberius Page 19:
Quote:
Posted - 2009.08.03 10:05:00 - [567] Due to a planetary leave, I have already transfered my part for block 3.
200m sent to Titans 4U.
Please put me back in the block.
Doh!
Confirming that I did indeed receive 200m from you at 2009.08.03 10:03 and I have now moved you back in to block 2.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.17 12:35:00 -
[747]
Originally by: Skyvyr
Originally by: Titans 4U The following are no-shows and are being bumped down: 250 - Skyvyr
I never saw the call for isk (on block 3) since I was orig in block 3 before the various delays. If still able I shall send the isk tonight.
I cannot put you back into block 2, but you will get another chance when we collect isk for block 3.
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.08.17 14:17:00 -
[748]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Skyvyr
Originally by: Titans 4U The following are no-shows and are being bumped down: 250 - Skyvyr
I never saw the call for isk (on block 3) since I was orig in block 3 before the various delays. If still able I shall send the isk tonight.
I cannot put you back into block 2, but you will get another chance when we collect isk for block 3.
That works, I'll keep a bit closer eye on this thread over the next few days then. Thanks. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Chodyniecki
Caldari Ashlar Galaxias Legem Terrae
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Posted - 2009.08.17 15:44:00 -
[749]
10 Million ISK sent for shares.
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innocent alt
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:54:00 -
[750]
1B for 1000 shares sent.
Innocent Alt
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.08.17 16:59:00 -
[751]
My ISK has been transferred...
1-billion ISK for 1000 shares.
Thanks BB
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Nick Marsh
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:01:00 -
[752]
200 shares for Block 4 please
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Hel O'Ween
Academy of Truth
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:11:00 -
[753]
Originally by: Titans 4U
If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
250 - Hel O'Ween
250 million ISK sent. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
LifeHatesMe
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:20:00 -
[754]
I'd like 250 shares, if that is possible, add me to the list/evemail me?
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.17 18:44:00 -
[755]
Hey BB, I already sent 60 million ISK to Titans 4 U, 20 million for the first order and 40 million for the second order I posted later.
Thanks,
Darthcaboose
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2009.08.17 19:17:00 -
[756]
Isk sent for 100 as requested --------------------------------------------------- I know Violence is not the answer.. I got it wrong on purpose. |
Lord Schmock
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:18:00 -
[757]
1b sent for 1000 shares of block 3
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Moonacre
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Posted - 2009.08.17 20:58:00 -
[758]
I would like to invest a further 100M is it is still viable, please let me know.
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Anfinity
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Posted - 2009.08.17 21:50:00 -
[759]
Edited by: Anfinity on 17/08/2009 21:49:50 100M sent for 100 shares from block 3
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Apophis Vledar
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:26:00 -
[760]
100 mil sent
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2009.08.17 23:46:00 -
[761]
500M isk sent for my first reservation. |
Aargh
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:19:00 -
[762]
300M isk sent.
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Whooricane
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:41:00 -
[763]
50mil sent for my reservation in block 3
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Daynne Jerreous
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Posted - 2009.08.18 00:48:00 -
[764]
100 million sent for block 3 request bumped up to block 2. Thanks
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Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.08.18 02:46:00 -
[765]
25m sent.
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Madman ness
Gallente The Perfect Circle
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Posted - 2009.08.18 08:15:00 -
[766]
signing up for 10 shares
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PaaDii
North Star Networks Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.18 09:38:00 -
[767]
Originally by: PaaDii If you still accept reservations/offers to buy shares count me in for 200mil isk of shares. Please contact me on evemail if possible.
Could I have a confirmation/denial if possible.
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.18 11:22:00 -
[768]
I'd like to invest a further 50M in this IPO please.
My investment summary: (for your reference) 25M bumped from Block 3 to 2 (ISK already Sent) 25M Currently allocated into Block 4 as per first page (but understand the bumping process) This extra 50M to go on the list where ever it is seen fit. If it is added to the above 25M or I wait inline for this further investment I am happy either way.
It looks like this is a logistical nightmare collecting ISK, tallying and keeping records, I don't envy your work load here. [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:18:00 -
[769]
Originally by: PaaDii
Originally by: PaaDii If you still accept reservations/offers to buy shares count me in for 200mil isk of shares. Please contact me on evemail if possible.
Could I have a confirmation/denial if possible.
I have not updated the reservations list in a few days, mainly because I've reached the character limit on the two posts on page 1 I am using for that list, but when the time comes I will go through all the reservation posts and make sure that they all get added to the list.
If you've posted, as you have, you will have a reservation in block 4 even if it has not yet been officially recorded.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.18 12:29:00 -
[770]
Edited by: Bad Bobby on 18/08/2009 12:32:01
Originally by: YorikR32 It looks like this is a logistical nightmare collecting ISK, tallying and keeping records, I don't envy your work load here.
You don't know the half of it.
Every time I log on with Bad Bobby I get showered with convo's. Squeezing isk out of reservations is time consuming in and of itself, but when lots of people end up wanting some kind of special treatment with regards to the placement of their investment and you have to explain at great length the reasons why they have to be treated the same as everyone else. Then I get ISD reporters convoing me, always when I am very drunk and on a PvP op with my friends, sometimes while I am FCing and you have to deal with that too.
The vast majority of the work involved with this project is dealing with various interested parties and has nothing to do with copying Titan BPOs.
Fortunately, this is pretty much what I do in EVE. As I'm the CEO of 5 corps, a director in another, the lead stategist for an alliance and the manger of about ten different major industrial projects. Handling people and managing operations is something I have the experience to carry off, to the general satisfaction of those interested, with a decent success rate!
But some days I take off, I don't log Bad Bobby on and I just go solo pirating in low sec with one of my -10.0's...
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Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.08.18 15:03:00 -
[771]
I will make sure not to be one of those annoying people!
Earlier I had asked to reserve 25 shares, i would now like to up my reservation to 50 shares (block 4 I assume)
Thanks!
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XCardak
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Posted - 2009.08.18 16:40:00 -
[772]
Hey BB just saw your last post. At the rate your going you should put an IPO out on yourself and and have ppl invest in your ability to rub 2 isks together and make another isk just magically appear.
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Elenos
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:15:00 -
[773]
ISK Sent
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.08.18 18:37:00 -
[774]
250 million isk sent (as requested as part two of my investment)
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.18 19:30:00 -
[775]
If there are any spaces left for buying 1,000 shares (from the no-shows) put my name on that list and let me know.
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2009.08.18 20:41:00 -
[776]
As I'm on vacation, I've sent 500m to Titans 4U.
200m belongs to block3, and 300m to block4.
Thank you.
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Lun Skyfell
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:07:00 -
[777]
Isk sent. |
klassasin
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Posted - 2009.08.19 00:55:00 -
[778]
Isk Sent
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.19 13:41:00 -
[779]
If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
50 - Cruel Sculpture 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 200 - Cruel Sculpture 150 - Elenos 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 100 - Costas Decimia 20 - Nitakko 1000 - Krylon Rhae 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 20 - Carilan Harritak 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 1000 - Lord Schmock 2000 - leonrussell1982 100 - Daynne Jerreous 10 - Random27 5 - Reaper Cross 250 - Solano 200 - Matan Gandi 30 - Rhivre 500 - Tahlith 100 - Albator 30 - Eelis Kiy 150 - Kira Firestarter 100 - Ghost Hunter 100 - Ti Chi 10 - Serving Maid 50 - Whooricane 50 - Terrel Capelle 50 - Cinder Roze 100 - R Sharpe 150 - dentist bob 200 - Klausan 100 - Batlee 100 - Kahn Bloodbane 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 100 - Amish Juggernaut 500 - Marty Brice 40 - rexus I 100 - Anfinity 100 - talemacus 50 - Lem Sip 100 - holefx 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 100 - Gabriel Angelus 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 1000 - Glenys / Bevania 750 - SarcasticDwarf 10 - Biiza Obrav 1000 - Doc Alaska 10 - Daeva Vios 40 - DarthCaboose 20 - JoseCanUsee 300 - tinnsoldier 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1 - Eenbal 200 - Mini Kadi 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 50 - HellSparrow 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 1000 - ArymAramanska 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 10 - Alya Mecklin 200 - Stellar Reaper 200 - Mortality 25 - Shamasu 300 - Choans 100 - Pierced Brosmen 3 - DRKabal 50 - WiseMaster 250 - Hel O'Ween 5 - Flynt Ironstag 250 - Fleshbot 20 - Kahn Engineer 1000 - Lun Skyfell 100 - Sanyo Santiago 50 - BlackMail 20 - Kahn Engineer 100 - General Mic 100 - Blud Ayngel 50 - H3dAF0 500 - Miainsa Neppl 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 50 - De Bawa 2000 - Squatch
Total: 30817
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Kane Portnoy
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Posted - 2009.08.19 15:31:00 -
[780]
want to up my share vol on 200 from already 100 in reserve if possible. may u notify me ingame? or just edit ur first post, i'll watch it regularly.
2nd is there a date collecting for the 4th bpo? just for me to know when getting isk together for it.
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Marty Brice
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Posted - 2009.08.19 18:21:00 -
[781]
Isk sent.
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General Mic
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Posted - 2009.08.19 20:03:00 -
[782]
Isk sent.
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R Sharpe
Jericho Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:05:00 -
[783]
100mil sent
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Jade Ando
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.08.19 21:57:00 -
[784]
I'll take 500 shares, if they're still available for the taking.
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Silvermoon Armanis
Gallente Carpe Diem inc.
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Posted - 2009.08.19 23:24:00 -
[785]
40M Sent.
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Moya81
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:22:00 -
[786]
This might seem like a stupid question, but what happens if one of the major investors or maybe a few want their money back because they are quitting the game or whatever other reasons? With the current system you will never have the liquidity to pay them out unless you sell their shares to someone else or inject liquidity from another source.
Worse over if a few investors (actual competitors) intentionally want to collapse your project all they would have to do is demand for you to return their investement.
This looks like a very fragile pyramid tbh and the only ones to lose if things go wrong are the investors while you would be sitting on 4 titan BPOs.
The only way to pretty much guarantee this wouldn't happen is to have ALL the BPO's as collateral with a financial institution like E-Bank so they would intervene as investor.
This plan looks to me like you expect ppl to stay in this investement project forever which is not going to happen, and you are not accumulating a reserve of liquidity to safeguard in case things go bad. I'm extremely skeptical and really expect this to implode unless precautions are taken.
With all that said I would like to buy 1 share
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:28:00 -
[787]
Edited by: Gareth Montesque on 20/08/2009 17:28:41 Edited by: Gareth Montesque on 20/08/2009 17:28:19 As with all investments there will always be risk. The most important axiom is never invest more than you can afford to lose. It's up to every invester to assess the project, flag the areas of concern then based on the level of risk asign what, if any, investment they wish to make.
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Iron Golem
Third Return Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.20 17:44:00 -
[788]
Moya81,
Where in the offering did you read that you could request your isk back? People can demand all they want but, if you want out, you are going to have to sell your shares.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.20 19:35:00 -
[789]
If people needs their isk back they'll be able to sell their shares on this forum.
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Sai Mien
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Posted - 2009.08.20 21:10:00 -
[790]
500m sent to Titans 4U.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.20 22:52:00 -
[791]
Originally by: Moya81 Worse over if a few investors (actual competitors) intentionally want to collapse your project all they would have to do is demand for you to return their investement.
My read of the front page is there is no refund policy. You bought them you are in for the whole show unless you sell them.
That said.. if someone wants to back out I will buy their shares 1:1 up to 2 billion isk.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2009.08.20 23:23:00 -
[792]
Originally by: Moya81 This might seem like a stupid question, but what happens if one of the major investors or maybe a few want their money back because they are quitting the game or whatever other reasons? With the current system you will never have the liquidity to pay them out
You should've stopped there. All that 'worst-case-scenario'-thinking is making a very simple thing seem very complicated. No liquidity to pay out = no pay out.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.21 05:42:00 -
[793]
Moya, given that there is no return on these shares for a bit (if I recall correctly) shares are actually going to rise a little in value as the time appraoches to pay out the first dividends. Should somone be selling (although it feels like everybody from the MD boards is already in) then one can expect that they earn at least face value if not more. In other words if you want out its a fairly simple to sell your shares.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:26:00 -
[794]
If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
50 - Cruel Sculpture 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 200 - Cruel Sculpture 150 - Elenos 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 100 - Costas Decimia 20 - Nitakko 1000 - Krylon Rhae 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 20 - Carilan Harritak 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 1000 - Lord Schmock 2000 - leonrussell1982 100 - Daynne Jerreous 10 - Random27 5 - Reaper Cross 250 - Solano 200 - Matan Gandi 30 - Rhivre 500 - Tahlith 100 - Albator 30 - Eelis Kiy 150 - Kira Firestarter 100 - Ghost Hunter 100 - Ti Chi 10 - Serving Maid 50 - Whooricane 50 - Terrel Capelle 50 - Cinder Roze 100 - R Sharpe 150 - dentist bob 200 - Klausan 100 - Batlee 100 - Kahn Bloodbane 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 100 - Amish Juggernaut 500 - Marty Brice 40 - rexus I 100 - Anfinity 100 - talemacus 50 - Lem Sip 100 - holefx 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 100 - Gabriel Angelus 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 1000 - Glenys / Bevania 750 - SarcasticDwarf 10 - Biiza Obrav 50 - Doc Alaska 950 - Doc Alaska [Delayed] 10 - Daeva Vios 40 - DarthCaboose 20 - JoseCanUsee 300 - tinnsoldier 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1 - Eenbal 200 - Mini Kadi 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 50 - HellSparrow 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 1000 - ArymAramanska 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 10 - Alya Mecklin 200 - Stellar Reaper 200 - Mortality 25 - Shamasu 300 - Choans 100 - Pierced Brosmen 3 - DRKabal 50 - WiseMaster 250 - Hel O'Ween 5 - Flynt Ironstag 250 - Fleshbot 20 - Kahn Engineer 1000 - Lun Skyfell 100 - Sanyo Santiago 50 - BlackMail 20 - Kahn Engineer 100 - General Mic 100 - Blud Ayngel 50 - H3dAF0 500 - Miainsa Neppl 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 50 - De Bawa 2000 - Squatch
Total: 30817
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:29:00 -
[795]
I hereby celebrate my transition from exclamation mark to dark hooded figure...
Woot.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.21 06:34:00 -
[796]
Those appearing in white on the list above need to find the keys to their wallets in the next 24 hours or they will get the bump down treatment.
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.08.21 08:42:00 -
[797]
If there are any left available I would like to reserve 200 shares.
Cheers
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:00:00 -
[798]
Originally by: Titans 4U I hereby celebrate my transition from exclamation mark to dark hooded figure...
Woot.
Hmmm... all I see is a black hole. Does this imply the isk is.... oh never mind.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.21 11:07:00 -
[799]
Just wondering. I have 2 reservations of 100 shares each, originaly put in slot 3.
the first reservation was bumped up to slot 2 and I paid 100 mill on the 10'th (at 15:08)
on the 16'th my second reservation was bumped up to slot 2 and I paid 100 mill the same day (at 22:30).
On the previous updated lists after the 16'th, both of my reservations have been marked as paid. But on the last list, I'm only listed once with a value of 100 shares.
Just want to make sure that all my ISK is accounted for
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:19:00 -
[800]
Originally by: Pierced Brosmen Just wondering. I have 2 reservations of 100 shares each, originaly put in slot 3.
the first reservation was bumped up to slot 2 and I paid 100 mill on the 10'th (at 15:08)
on the 16'th my second reservation was bumped up to slot 2 and I paid 100 mill the same day (at 22:30).
On the previous updated lists after the 16'th, both of my reservations have been marked as paid. But on the last list, I'm only listed once with a value of 100 shares.
Just want to make sure that all my ISK is accounted for
The cause of this confusion is the character limit on forum posts.
If you look at post 723 on page 25 you will see your first payment is recorded there. The latest list, while referring to the same investment block, has been seperated from the first list because I can't fit both lists on the same post.
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Iron Golem
Third Return Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.08.21 13:55:00 -
[801]
I would take an additional 50M worth. I am in Block 1 & have paid.
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Eelis Kiy
Gallente Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.21 15:09:00 -
[802]
isk sent via alt (Cucumber Sammiches)
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Ghost Hunter
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2009.08.21 18:33:00 -
[803]
Woops, my bad bobby.
ISK sent. ______
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.22 01:50:00 -
[804]
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
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20 - Kahn Engineer . . 20 - Kahn Engineer . . .
Total: 30817
Total of 40M sent to <t4u>
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Sazumaan Johnza
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.08.22 02:03:00 -
[805]
2 Bil sent bro. ----- "Eve is more filling than roast steaks slowly grilling over a rotating fire whilst marinating in a combination of Australian fruity wines and the best imported herbs..." - SChimera [16.4.07 |
Daynne Jerreous
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Posted - 2009.08.22 06:37:00 -
[806]
I have sent the 100 million for my shares a few days back but mistakenly sent it to Bad Bobby and not Titan. I sent you an email asking if you could transfer it over for me. You sent me a reply saying that you had. I just wanted to confirm this because I know you have a lot going on trying to get funds collected. Let me know if I have to do anything else. Thanks
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:25:00 -
[807]
Originally by: Daynne Jerreous I have sent the 100 million for my shares a few days back but mistakenly sent it to Bad Bobby and not Titan. I sent you an email asking if you could transfer it over for me. You sent me a reply saying that you had. I just wanted to confirm this because I know you have a lot going on trying to get funds collected. Let me know if I have to do anything else. Thanks
I'm just updating the list now.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:44:00 -
[808]
The state of play with Block 2 is:
The following investors have sent their isk:
5450 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirshG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 200 - Xi Khan 150 - Coupe Soleil 300 - Akimori 250 - Mikael Genexi 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 500 - Teavan 10 - Montmazar 300 - Nobaudee 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 500 - Adsion 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - YorikR32 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero 200 - Borakh Tieberius 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 150 - Elenos 100 - Costas Decimia 1000 - Krylon Rhae 20 - Carilan Harritak 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 1000 - Lord Schmock 100 - Daynne Jerreous 30 - Rhivre 30 - Eelis Kiy 100 - Ghost Hunter 50 - Whooricane 100 - R Sharpe 200 - Klausan 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 500 - Marty Brice 100 - Anfinity 50 - Lem Sip 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 750 - SarcasticDwarf 50 - Doc Alaska 40 - DarthCaboose 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 25 - Shamasu 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 250 - Fleshbot 1000 - Lun Skyfell 50 - BlackMail 100 - General Mic 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris [green]2000 - Squatch
The following had delayed their reservations:
19550 - Ji Sama [Delayed] 2000 - BIG Brain [Delayed] 125 - Marcus Baltar [Delayed] 950 - Doc Alaska [Delayed]
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:44:00 -
[809]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 22/08/2009 08:47:21 The following are no-shows and have been bumped down:
50 - H0mer 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 50 - Shadowhawk38 500 - Tamati Tama 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 10 - Orion Pheonix 200 - Amoc Reel 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes 20 - Anli Niren 10 - D'ceet 250 - Skyvyr 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 25 - Zumatra 5 - Super Extremo 50 - Cruel Sculpture 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 200 - Cruel Sculpture 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 20 - Nitakko 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 2000 - leonrussell1982 10 - Random27 5 - Reaper Cross 250 - Solano 200 - Matan Gandi 500 - Tahlith 100 - Albator 150 - Kira Firestarter 100 - Ti Chi 10 - Serving Maid 50 - Terrel Capelle 50 - Cinder Roze 150 - dentist bob 100 - Batlee 100 - Kahn Bloodbane 100 - Amish Juggernaut 40 - rexus I 100 - talemacus 100 - holefx 100 - Gabriel Angelus 1000 - Glenys / Bevania 10 - Biiza Obrav 10 - Daeva Vios 20 - JoseCanUsee 300 - tinnsoldier 1 - Eenbal 200 - Mini Kadi 50 - HellSparrow 1000 - ArymAramanska 10 - Alya Mecklin 200 - Stellar Reaper 200 - Mortality 300 - Choans 3 - DRKabal 50 - WiseMaster 5 - Flynt Ironstag 100 - Sanyo Santiago 100 - Blud Ayngel 50 - H3dAF0 500 - Miainsa Neppl 50 - De Bawa
All no-shows will get another chance to send their isk later.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.22 08:47:00 -
[810]
Originally by: Kahn Engineer
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
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20 - Kahn Engineer . . 20 - Kahn Engineer . . .
Total: 30817
Total of 40M sent to <t4u>
Someone has to be awkward and send it to the corp wallet Almost missed that one. Moving you from no-show to paid list.
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Titans 4U
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:07:00 -
[811]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 22/08/2009 09:26:23 If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
20 - Carn Validus 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 1000 - Smash Sales 800 - Cayce Pollard 100 - Parkuras 1000 - Gareth Montesque 50 - Ostor LightDust 100 - Kithran 25 - Athanasia Samsa 200 - Norah Sin 10 - Zakmal Dorn 200 - General Harvey 10 - uncle spankface 30 - Kcarr1 700 - Nobaudee 40 - chemicalart 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 10 - Kamo Hiruga 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 100 - Nikolay Tesla 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - TCL987 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv
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Kathryn Dougans
Amarr Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.22 09:16:00 -
[812]
Originally by: Titans 4U If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now! 100 - Kathryn Dougans
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Nobaudee
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Posted - 2009.08.22 10:24:00 -
[813]
700 mill sent :)
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.22 14:21:00 -
[814]
The Trustees will soon announce the lockdown of our new Erebus BPO.
Keep the isk comming in guys.
We will soon be opening block 3. The initial list will be delayed reservations, followed by block 4 reservations, followed by no-shows up to the required amount. So if you have made any reservation and have not already sent your money you should be getting it ready now.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.22 19:51:00 -
[815]
Just sent the 100 mil requested at top of page 28.
Can I reserve another 100 shares as well please.
Cheers
Kithran
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2009.08.22 21:38:00 -
[816]
Isk sent for 2nd reservation.
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.08.22 22:14:00 -
[817]
800 mil sent for second reservation
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:17:00 -
[818]
Edited by: Kahn Engineer on 23/08/2009 05:24:23 Edited by: Kahn Engineer on 23/08/2009 05:22:06 Edited by: Kahn Engineer on 23/08/2009 05:21:15
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Kahn Engineer
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list, send your isk to Titans 4U now!
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20 - Kahn Engineer . . 20 - Kahn Engineer . . .
Total: 30817
Total of 40M sent to <t4u>
Someone has to be awkward and send it to the corp wallet Almost missed that one. Moving you from no-show to paid list.
Hah. Sorry. You said send to Titans 4U so I took that literally and sent it to the <t4u> corp. I'll send it to the character next time.
Please put me down for another 20 shares in the next available block since it seems my two 20 have been bumped upwards to block 2 now. I had intended them to be split up per block.
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HirschG
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2009.08.23 05:43:00 -
[819]
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 17/08/2009 12:30:52 Ok, the state of play with Block 2 is:
The following investors have sent their isk:
100 - HirshG
Originally by: Titans 4U Edited by: Titans 4U on 22/08/2009 10:11:05 Edited by: Titans 4U on 22/08/2009 09:26:23 If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
100 - HirschG
I have already sent you ingame mail the name is not correctly put on the list. If this is still for Block 2 i have already paid. If this is for block 3 or been bumped up i will send the missing 100mil.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.23 06:06:00 -
[820]
Originally by: HirschG I have already sent you ingame mail the name is not correctly put on the list.
The list on page 27 post 808 has been corrected. Other lists may still be incorrect but that is the one I will be working from.
Originally by: HirschG If this is still for Block 2 i have already paid. If this is for block 3 or been bumped up i will send the missing 100mil.
Indeed, I have already receieved the payment for your first reservation, this request is for your second reservation that has been bumped up to block 2.
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HirschG
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2009.08.23 07:05:00 -
[821]
Edited by: HirschG on 23/08/2009 07:05:39
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: HirschG I have already sent you ingame mail the name is not Indeed, I have already receieved the payment for your first reservation, this request is for your second reservation that has been bumped up to block 2.
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Matari ships ARE the real deal |
Amarr Citizen 155
Kisoken Innovations
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Posted - 2009.08.23 20:54:00 -
[822]
Originally by: Titans 4U The Trustees will soon announce the lockdown of our new Erebus BPO.
Just posting to confirm this has been done.
<Amarr's signature> |
Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.23 21:15:00 -
[823]
People there seem to be a few people who care about which block their isk are in.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that every investor is paid whenever a bpc is sold?
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.23 21:47:00 -
[824]
As I understand it the main reason to be concerned about which block your isk is collected for is that if a block isn't filled then that bpo won't be bought and everyone who had isk collected for that block will get refunded that isk.
Thus people whose isk was collected for block 1 or block 2 had have that isk used to buy a bpo and will be getting a payout whenever a bpc is sold. Those who are having isk collected at the moment have a chance of the block not being filled.
Those who haven't paid on time are being (I believe) put to the end of the line for collection thus stand a bigger chance of being in this situation.
Kithran
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.23 23:15:00 -
[825]
I'd like to reserve an additional 300 shares if possible.
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:41:00 -
[826]
I want to reserve 2,000 shares if possible.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.08.24 01:47:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Titans 4U The Trustees will soon announce the lockdown of our new Erebus BPO.
Just posting to confirm this has been done.
Confirming the confirmed |
Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Elite The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:42:00 -
[828]
Hi
I would like to increase my reservation for block 4 from 20 shares to 100 shares
Thanks Dafydd
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.08.24 03:49:00 -
[829]
Bobby, 1 billion sent. Sorry there have been so many changes to the lists I got a little lost...
Gareth
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.24 04:40:00 -
[830]
Edited by: Kahn Engineer on 24/08/2009 04:43:31
Originally by: Kithran As I understand it the main reason to be concerned about which block your isk is collected for is that if a block isn't filled then that bpo won't be bought and everyone who had isk collected for that block will get refunded that isk.
Thus people whose isk was collected for block 1 or block 2 had have that isk used to buy a bpo and will be getting a payout whenever a bpc is sold. Those who are having isk collected at the moment have a chance of the block not being filled.
Those who haven't paid on time are being (I believe) put to the end of the line for collection thus stand a bigger chance of being in this situation.
Kithran
I wouldnt put my desires under a "concern". I currently have 40M in block 2 which compared to others out here, is peanuts.
The way I read and understand the situation is each block as they are filled the bpo is purchased and the copy process started. It is obvious not all 4 bpos will be obtained and copied at the same time. Therefore each block's timing from purchase, copy, to sale, then repeat are independent from each other.
Presume it takes 120 days to copy and the bpc is sold immediately
Say block 1 starts at day 0 and is sold at 120 days. Say block 2 starts at day 30 and thus is sold at 150 days. Say block 3 starts at day 60 and thus is sold at 180 days. Say block 4 starts at day 90 and thus is sold at 210 days.
Obviously those in block 1 get their payoff at day 120, block 2 30 days after. If you have shares in block 1, block 2, block 3, AND block 4, you get regular payment from the titan bpcs every 30 days.
I understand if my preferences cant be fulfilled depending upon how things work out for <t4u>, I'm ok with that.
Personally, I'd rather have as regular payoffs as I can make it for my investments rather than lump sums over the course of 210 days. To me, this is ideal.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.24 06:00:00 -
[831]
Originally by: Yarinor People there seem to be a few people who care about which block their isk are in.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that every investor is paid whenever a bpc is sold?
You are correct.
The reason for the blocks is to prevent me from having access to all the isk at once, that's all.
Once I have taken your investment you are all treated the same and get payouts whenever profits occur, no matter which BPO produces those profits.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.24 08:50:00 -
[832]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
Block 2:
20 - Carn Validus 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 1000 - Smash Sales 800 - Cayce Pollard 100 - Parkuras 1000 - Gareth Montesque 50 - Ostor LightDust 100 - Kithran 25 - Athanasia Samsa 200 - Norah Sin 10 - Zakmal Dorn 200 - General Harvey 10 - uncle spankface 30 - Kcarr1 700 - Nobaudee 40 - chemicalart 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 10 - Kamo Hiruga 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 100 - Nikolay Tesla 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - TCL987 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv
Block 3:
19550 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys
Total: 49101
I'll add 18899 in reservations from the no-show list later today.
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:13:00 -
[833]
2,000 share reservation for me please.
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Syaran
Gallente Pure Annihilation Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:16:00 -
[834]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares, for the amount of 100m isk.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:20:00 -
[835]
hi there just want to say my number is wrong, its more around 15B that i owe you.. transfered around 9.5B already. will vote for the release of securities today in TMPI, that will give me some extra capital.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:33:00 -
[836]
Originally by: Ji Sama hi there just want to say my number is wrong, its more around 15B that i owe you.. transfered around 9.5B already.
I haven't updated the new list for isk that has already been sent. Not all of the isk you have sent me made it in time to get in to block 2, so the number you see there is the amount that will go into block 3. I haven't got my list of people who have sent me isk already to hand, when I have that I'll update the list to show you and others as paid.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.24 09:49:00 -
[837]
The latest list includes the last of the reservations to date, so everyone has now had at least one chance to send in their isk.
Just under 19b of reservations from previous no-shows have been added to this list. I'm not going to keep those names on the list for long before I swap them for new reservations and different names from the no-show list. Any no-shows that don't send isk this time round are going to be taken off the reservations list and will not get another chance unless they place a new reservation.
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Shusui
Gallente R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2009.08.24 10:05:00 -
[838]
300million sent
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:13:00 -
[839]
Quote: If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
25 - YorikR32
50 - YorikR32
75 Million Isk sent for the two reservations made above.
[Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Moochai
Caldari StateCraft Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 12:28:00 -
[840]
100 mil sent
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:09:00 -
[841]
2B isk sent.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.24 13:20:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Titans 4U
40 - Yarinor
Isk sent
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Shikoh
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:40:00 -
[843]
5b sent
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Hanster Maluki
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:42:00 -
[844]
4b sent
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flakeys
Distillery Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2009.08.24 14:53:00 -
[845]
This is becoming the longest thread in Md history :)
Carry on ....
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.24 15:34:00 -
[846]
Originally by: flakeys This is becoming the longest thread in Md history :)
Carry on ....
reported for spamming :P
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Arcturus Canton
Gallente FireTech
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Posted - 2009.08.24 16:22:00 -
[847]
isk sent _________________________ Your loss is not my problem |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.24 17:03:00 -
[848]
100 million ISK sent
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:35:00 -
[849]
200m sent
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.24 18:51:00 -
[850]
300 million sent
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.24 19:14:00 -
[851]
Put me in for another 1,000 shares for the 4th group. (if you have no shows)
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:08:00 -
[852]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Yarinor People there seem to be a few people who care about which block their isk are in.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that every investor is paid whenever a bpc is sold?
You are correct.
The reason for the blocks is to prevent me from having access to all the isk at once, that's all.
Once I have taken your investment you are all treated the same and get payouts whenever profits occur, no matter which BPO produces those profits.
I am corrected.
Let me know if I can increase my 40M already sent upwards another 20M to a total of 60M.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2009.08.24 20:30:00 -
[853]
I haven't received any actual shares yet. I'm sort of assuming you will create and distribute the shares after all the reservations are in but I couldn't find anything about this in the initial post so just checking...
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Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:09:00 -
[854]
Edited by: Shamasu on 24/08/2009 21:10:16
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Gareth Montesque Has stock issuance begun?
No, I have not sent out any shares yet. The shares will be sent out once all the isk collection is completed. I need to action a corp vote to create the correct number of shares, but I can't be 100% sure what that number will be until all the isk is collected.
Post #668 on this thread. Cheers.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.24 21:25:00 -
[855]
Assuming there is still room somewhere I'd like to get an additional 60 shares.
-Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.24 22:18:00 -
[856]
100 mil sent for my reservation in what is now block 3.
Kithran
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Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:08:00 -
[857]
75m sent.
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triafrenum
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:38:00 -
[858]
Is there any way that I could get shares in this. If so 100 shares please.
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2009.08.24 23:41:00 -
[859]
600 mil for block 3 reservation bumped up from block 4
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Elite The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 00:04:00 -
[860]
Wife going into hospital today, so will send my 100M tonight (Aussie Time) when I get the kids sorted for bed.
Cheers Dafydd
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Jade Ando
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Posted - 2009.08.25 02:57:00 -
[861]
500mil sent
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2009.08.25 07:34:00 -
[862]
ISK sent
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2009.08.25 09:49:00 -
[863]
2B isk sent for Titans 4U.
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Elite The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.08.25 12:13:00 -
[864]
100 M to Titans 4U
Dafydd
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ShotGun Willy
ShotGun Willy Production
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Posted - 2009.08.25 13:29:00 -
[865]
25 mil sent
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Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:02:00 -
[866]
25mil sent
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Ishikari
Gallente Duct Tape Inc. New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:10:00 -
[867]
500m sent to Titans 4U
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Dagreed
Gallente N'Th'Rack Squadron Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2009.08.25 16:20:00 -
[868]
25M sent to Titans 4U |
SaucyOne
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Posted - 2009.08.25 17:28:00 -
[869]
100 million sent to Titans 4U payment for shares on Block 3
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Manandoun
Caldari Ravenusque
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:42:00 -
[870]
300 mil sent.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.25 19:48:00 -
[871]
1b sent for 3rd Group
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ShogunAssassin
Luppratazzi Crime Family
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:27:00 -
[872]
250mil isk sent for block 3
Quote:
"Naaah, lets make tyres illegal! That'll slow the buggers down!"
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Cruel Sculpture
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Posted - 2009.08.25 22:52:00 -
[873]
It seems my reservations have been removed from block 3. Is my offer to purchase some of these stocks no longer applicable?
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tre introv
Annihilate.
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Posted - 2009.08.26 01:43:00 -
[874]
500mil sent for remaining shares.
Have the actual shares been handed out yet?
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Mienka
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Posted - 2009.08.26 02:56:00 -
[875]
I'd like to reserve 250 shares more in case of no shows.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.26 03:52:00 -
[876]
Originally by: tre introv Have the actual shares been handed out yet?
No, handing out the shares is going to be the last step in the process.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.26 04:00:00 -
[877]
Originally by: Cruel Sculpture It seems my reservations have been removed from block 3. Is my offer to purchase some of these stocks no longer applicable?
See page 27, post 809, you are listed as a no-show.
Your reservation was moved from block 3 into block 2, was not paid and was then put onto the no-show list.
I think you stand a good chance of having your reservation put back on to the block 3 list in the near future, so just keep your isk handy and keep an eye on this thread.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.26 07:59:00 -
[878]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
Block 2:
20 - Carn Validus 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 1000 - Smash Sales 800 - Cayce Pollard 100 - Parkuras 1000 - Gareth Montesque 50 - Ostor LightDust 100 - Kithran 25 - Athanasia Samsa 200 - Norah Sin 10 - Zakmal Dorn 200 - General Harvey 10 - uncle spankface 30 - Kcarr1 700 - Nobaudee 40 - chemicalart 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 10 - Kamo Hiruga 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 100 - Nikolay Tesla 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - TCL987 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv
Block 3:
15150 - Ji Sama 4400 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 100 - Syaran 7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus 250 - Skyvyr 50 - H0mer 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 50 - Shadowhawk38 500 - Tamati Tama 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 10 - Orion Pheonix 200 - Amoc Reel 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes
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Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 09:19:00 -
[879]
ISK sent
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Cruel Sculpture
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Posted - 2009.08.26 10:37:00 -
[880]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Cruel Sculpture It seems my reservations have been removed from block 3. Is my offer to purchase some of these stocks no longer applicable?
See page 27, post 809, you are listed as a no-show.
Your reservation was moved from block 3 into block 2, was not paid and was then put onto the no-show list.
I think you stand a good chance of having your reservation put back on to the block 3 list in the near future, so just keep your isk handy and keep an eye on this thread.
Thank you for the quick answer and I shall be waiting for such a possibility.
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Regis Nex
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Posted - 2009.08.26 11:48:00 -
[881]
Money sent (500mil in total) Name was posted in block 3 twice tnx Booboo Bear Pew Pew |
Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.08.26 12:13:00 -
[882]
I sent my isk on 8/24 13:18. Yet I'm still marked has having not paid yet?
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2009.08.26 13:43:00 -
[883]
ISK sent.
In Soviet NER, blueprints research YOU!
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.08.26 14:56:00 -
[884]
List updated, including:
Originally by: Yarinor I sent my isk on 8/24 13:18. Yet I'm still marked has having not paid yet?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.26 15:52:00 -
[885]
I will let the current list run until Saturday, after that I'll start replacing some of the names.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:00:00 -
[886]
I've lost track if I have any reservations that haven't been asked for yet. If I don't could I reserve another 100mil worth
Kithran
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Kane Portnoy
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:04:00 -
[887]
200m send for 2x 100 shares :)
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PaaDii
North Star Networks Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:51:00 -
[888]
200 mil ISK sent for payment in block 3.
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Trebor DeCaldar
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.08.26 20:58:00 -
[889]
In the event that you have any backouts.... I would be open to grabbing 100 shares
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Moonacre
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:52:00 -
[890]
100M Sent
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Leviathan Taylor
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Posted - 2009.08.26 21:54:00 -
[891]
Hello i was wondering if it is still possible to reserve anymore shares.
I would like to invest an additional 100M on top of the 100M i have already paid for.
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Ith Ratheos
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.26 22:25:00 -
[892]
I'd like to reserve 100 shares if it's still open.
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Mhagon
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Posted - 2009.08.27 09:11:00 -
[893]
600M sent
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.08.27 13:11:00 -
[894]
Edited by: Skyvyr on 27/08/2009 13:11:24
Originally by: Titans 4U If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now! 250 - Skyvyr
I will send this tonight when I get home.
-- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.08.27 16:23:00 -
[895]
Sorry, was away for a few weeks... Sent.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.27 17:24:00 -
[896]
because of the amount of chaos, dbank defaulting on TMPI securities, and TIF defaulting, i will not be able to reach the 25B reserved. i will need to run some numbers, i am sorry for the inconvience. i will contact you ingame...
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.27 18:23:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Ji Sama because of the amount of chaos, dbank defaulting on TMPI securities, and TIF defaulting, i will not be able to reach the 25B reserved. i will need to run some numbers, i am sorry for the inconvience. i will contact you ingame...
I fully understand. If you can give me a figure in time for Saturday morning when I will be revising the list then that would be great.
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Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.08.27 19:00:00 -
[898]
Edited by: Bouree II on 27/08/2009 19:00:11 I was on the list above twice - i sent two sets of 25mil to cover my double listing, as I did want to invest another 25 mil, I hope that is ok. let me know if not.
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Xonus Calimar
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:33:00 -
[899]
reserve 5 shares plz
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:33:00 -
[900]
500M sent
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.27 23:43:00 -
[901]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Ji Sama because of the amount of chaos, dbank defaulting on TMPI securities, and TIF defaulting, i will not be able to reach the 25B reserved. i will need to run some numbers, i am sorry for the inconvience. i will contact you ingame...
I fully understand. If you can give me a figure in time for Saturday morning when I will be revising the list then that would be great.
just ignore this, it was apparently a joke, im back collecting your iskies :) have another 5B for you in the morning, and another 5B over the weekend.. that should leave the last 5B deposit some where around next week.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.28 05:56:00 -
[902]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
Block 2:
20 - Carn Validus 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 1000 - Smash Sales 800 - Cayce Pollard 100 - Parkuras 1000 - Gareth Montesque 50 - Ostor LightDust 100 - Kithran 25 - Athanasia Samsa 200 - Norah Sin 10 - Zakmal Dorn 200 - General Harvey 10 - uncle spankface 30 - Kcarr1 700 - Nobaudee 40 - chemicalart 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 10 - Kamo Hiruga 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 100 - Nikolay Tesla 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - TCL987 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv
Block 3:
15150 - Ji Sama 4400 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 100 - Syaran 7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus 250 - Skyvyr 50 - H0mer 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 100 - Qitoof 1000 - Doctor Whiteface 25 - STRK52ND 25 - ShotGun Willy 50 - Harkani 50 - Shadowhawk38 500 - Tamati Tama 100 - NaevaX 50 - Michela 200 - Qutar 100 - Dev Spoehr 1000 - Jazric 200 - Tor Umar 100 - Discova 100 - Tetovo 100 - Bard Marcus 10 - xEllinx 250 - Loth Cephak 10 - Orion Pheonix 200 - Amoc Reel 10 - Lezerinela 5000 - Enihcam Xes
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max ikabon
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Posted - 2009.08.28 11:37:00 -
[903]
I'll take 500 shares, if they're still available
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Tyranus vonCarstein
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Posted - 2009.08.28 14:05:00 -
[904]
You can sign me up for 50 shares.
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159Hunter
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:04:00 -
[905]
Still on the list of block 2, but money was sent: 2009.08.22 @09.23
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:08:00 -
[906]
Originally by: 159Hunter Still on the list of block 2, but money was sent: 2009.08.22 @09.23
Sorry, I should have made it clearer. You are on the list in green which means you have paid. It started with me changing people's names to green and marking them as "paid" but I ran into character limit issues!
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Semper-Mortis
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Posted - 2009.08.28 15:47:00 -
[907]
isk sent -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Aloe Cloveris
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.08.28 21:13:00 -
[908]
For the record, I just wanna queue up for an additional 75 shares in block 3 or 4, if/whenever/wherever shares become available should there be further cancellations or no-shows.
---------------------- Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer |
Captain N8Hellyea
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Posted - 2009.08.29 02:22:00 -
[909]
isk sent (20 shares)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.29 05:36:00 -
[910]
Block 2 is now closed, here is the list of investors:
5450 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirschG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 200 - Xi Khan 150 - Coupe Soleil 300 - Akimori 250 - Mikael Genexi 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 500 - Teavan 10 - Montmazar 300 - Nobaudee 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 500 - Adsion 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - YorikR32 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero 200 - Borakh Tieberius 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 150 - Elenos 100 - Costas Decimia 1000 - Krylon Rhae 20 - Carilan Harritak 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 1000 - Lord Schmock 100 - Daynne Jerreous 30 - Rhivre 30 - Eelis Kiy 100 - Ghost Hunter 50 - Whooricane 100 - R Sharpe 200 - Klausan 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 500 - Marty Brice 100 - Anfinity 50 - Lem Sip 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 750 - SarcasticDwarf 50 - Doc Alaska 40 - DarthCaboose 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 25 - Shamasu 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 250 - Fleshbot 1000 - Lun Skyfell 50 - BlackMail 100 - General Mic 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 2000 - Squatch 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 800 - Cayce Pollard 1000 - Gareth Montesque 100 - Kithran 200 - Norah Sin 700 - Nobaudee 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv 984 - Ji Sama
61994/66000
Plus 4006 excess investment from block 1
66000/66000
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.29 05:50:00 -
[911]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
15150 - Ji Sama 3416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 100 - Syaran 7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 100 - triafrenum 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 5 - Xonus Calimar 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 20 - Anli Niren 10 - D'ceet 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 25 - Zumatra 5 - Super Extremo 50 - Cruel Sculpture 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 200 - Cruel Sculpture 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 20 - Nitakko 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 2000 - leonrussell1982 10 - Random27 5 - Reaper Cross 250 - Solano 200 - Matan Gandi 500 - Tahlith 100 - Albator 150 - Kira Firestarter 100 - Ti Chi 10 - Serving Maid 50 - Terrel Capelle 50 - Cinder Roze 150 - dentist bob 100 - Batlee 100 - Kahn Bloodbane 100 - Amish Juggernaut
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.08.29 05:53:00 -
[912]
2340m of new reservations added 7849m of previous no-shows struck off and replaced
This list will stand until Monday, then I'll add any new reservations I get.
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.08.29 09:22:00 -
[913]
I should be back in game by the end of the week No Sig for me anymore |
Tyranus vonCarstein
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Posted - 2009.08.29 14:17:00 -
[914]
ISK sent.
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Fitz VonHeise
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.08.29 20:38:00 -
[915]
Isk sent
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Kal live2kill
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Posted - 2009.08.30 00:30:00 -
[916]
I'll take 100m if they are still available
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.08.30 05:38:00 -
[917]
60 shares worth isk sent to Titans 4u. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.08.30 16:56:00 -
[918]
I'll take 400m if still available
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:45:00 -
[919]
Another 3B sent, for a total of 12.850.000.000,00 ISK send. Should have another batch ready in the morning...
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Nagapito
Gallente FireTech In Tea We Trust
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Posted - 2009.08.30 23:54:00 -
[920]
Isk Sent
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.08.31 05:05:00 -
[921]
I'm interested in 1000 shares if still available.
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.08.31 05:16:00 -
[922]
I'll reserve another 50 shares for 50 million ISK.
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Marcus Baltar
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Posted - 2009.08.31 09:31:00 -
[923]
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now! ... 125 - Marcus Baltar ...
125,000,000 ISK sent 2009.08.31 09:29 to Titans 4U.
Thanks. -- --
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Shamasu
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Posted - 2009.08.31 18:54:00 -
[924]
So how long has the collection been going on now?
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Awulf
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Posted - 2009.08.31 20:26:00 -
[925]
I'll take 100 shares if there are still openings available.
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Ralph wolf
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Posted - 2009.08.31 23:35:00 -
[926]
I will take 20 shares if there is any room left in any of the blocks.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics
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Posted - 2009.09.01 00:46:00 -
[927]
Edited by: Solisk on 01/09/2009 00:46:52 Who do I send my isk to?
Nvm: Isk sent to Titans 4u
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Aloe Cloveris
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.01 09:06:00 -
[928]
75m sent for block 3 shares. |
macsuibhne
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Posted - 2009.09.01 14:31:00 -
[929]
I will take 5 shares for 5 mil if there are still openings
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.01 16:07:00 -
[930]
I would like to reserve an additional 300 shares please for the final block (or wherever they fall)
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2009.09.01 17:00:00 -
[931]
Hey Block,
It totally doesn't matter to be but if it keeps your accounting simple and saves you a couple characters on this lists, I've paid for my shares in Block 2 in two different transactions, 750M and 250M. You can combine those since it turned out to all be in one block.
Also, I can see people are dropping like flys during this collection process. I'd suggest a final call before you determine that Block 3/4 can't be filled. If it's close people might be willing to throw in a bit more to close up the gap.
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Trebor DeCaldar
Caldari Formosa Universal HQ
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Posted - 2009.09.02 01:19:00 -
[932]
iskies sent ...
Originally by: Hoo Is Siigari lost a ship...
In other news, water is wet, fire is hot, and bacon is delicious
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:16:00 -
[933]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
12150 - Ji Sama 6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 100 - Syaran 7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 100 - triafrenum 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 5 - Xonus Calimar 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 20 - Anli Niren 10 - D'ceet 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 25 - Zumatra 5 - Super Extremo 50 - Cruel Sculpture 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 200 - Cruel Sculpture 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 20 - Nitakko 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 2000 - leonrussell1982 100 - Kal live2kill 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Raph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.02 07:34:00 -
[934]
Originally by: Fleshbot I can see people are dropping like flys during this collection process. I'd suggest a final call before you determine that Block 3/4 can't be filled. If it's close people might be willing to throw in a bit more to close up the gap.
As far as I am concerned, this IPO launch has been an outstanding success already. To aquire two Titan BPOs and have them put to work without a hitch has been a source of great satisfaction for me.
However, it is clear that filling block 3 to aquire the 3rd BPO is pushing the boundaries of what can be achieved at present and filling block 4 is a distant dream. Obviously recent events have made that situation worse as many reservations cannot be honoured because the isk is no longer accessible to the investor due to the EBANK account freeze and there has been further negative impact due to the drop in confidence in the investment marketplace.
I would like to see if block 3 can still be filled, particularly since we are already half way there. So I'm thinking that I should give it a few days with the current list (up to the weekend), then remove all unpaid reservations from the list, calculate the shortfall and then open it up for isk payments only (no reservations required) for one more week (until the end of next weekend) to see if we can gather the remaining isk. If we miss the mark, then I'll return all isk that didn't make it into blocks 1 and 2.
Does anyone have any views or objections to this plan?
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:13:00 -
[935]
iskies sent
there may be more if block 3 looks like it will fall short No Sig for me anymore |
Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:15:00 -
[936]
Edited by: Steel Wraith on 02/09/2009 08:15:07
Originally by: Bad Bobby If we miss the mark, then I'll return all isk that didn't make it into blocks 1 and 2.
Does anyone have any views or objections to this plan?
I object! ...but mostly because my isk didn't make it into block 2.
Still that seems fair.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.09.02 08:52:00 -
[937]
Good, looks like I stand to get my 1 share. Will send isk this evening. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Awulf
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Posted - 2009.09.02 13:57:00 -
[938]
100 million isk sent for Block 3 IPO
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macsuibhne
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:37:00 -
[939]
I will send isk when I get home from work tonight and edit this post to confirm
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ginlaan
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Posted - 2009.09.02 16:56:00 -
[940]
Would like to reserve a spot for any available block? Looks like block4 is open
5 Shares please
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Andron Blaxcor
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:06:00 -
[941]
isk sent, sorry it's a bit late. RL has been busy of late.
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.09.02 17:59:00 -
[942]
400m iskies wired to Titans 4U
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firehelix
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Posted - 2009.09.02 18:45:00 -
[943]
20m isk sent to Titans 4U
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glas mir
Reaction Scientific
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Posted - 2009.09.02 19:16:00 -
[944]
what is the method being used to track shareholders?
for some reason I thought it was in-game shares.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:13:00 -
[945]
Originally by: glas mir what is the method being used to track shareholders?
for some reason I thought it was in-game shares.
It will be in-game shares, but I need to know how many to create first.
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SarcasticDwarf
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:39:00 -
[946]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
So I'm thinking that I should give it a few days with the current list (up to the weekend), then remove all unpaid reservations from the list...
Which post has the current no show list? I will take care of any for my alliance.
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Compy12
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:52:00 -
[947]
Just to verify, I do send the money to Titans 4U character. Correct?
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Compstomper1
Chumly Incorporated Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2009.09.02 20:53:00 -
[948]
^^^^ That was me. I was logged onto the wrong alt.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.02 21:50:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Compy12 Just to verify, I do send the money to Titans 4U character. Correct?
yes see this post -- 3 Titans Lottery
InEve | Capital |
Ralph wolf
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Posted - 2009.09.03 03:01:00 -
[950]
Sent 20,000,000 for my shares.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.03 05:18:00 -
[951]
1B isk sent for 1000 shares.
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.09.03 06:02:00 -
[952]
50 million ISK sent.
That brings me up to... 110 million ISK invested in this project in total.
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Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
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Posted - 2009.09.03 06:17:00 -
[953]
Out of interest, why is there nothing going on with block 1? Didn't you already collect the isk for it?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.03 07:44:00 -
[954]
Originally by: Dibsi Dei Out of interest, why is there nothing going on with block 1? Didn't you already collect the isk for it?
The isk was collected for block 1 and the BPO was purchased and put into copying. Shares will be sent out to the investors once all the isk has been collected for all blocks, so I only have to do one vote to create all the shares at once.
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.03 08:24:00 -
[955]
Edited by: Steel Wraith on 03/09/2009 08:27:26
Originally by: Bad Bobby The isk was collected for block 1 and the BPO was purchased and put into copying.
You mean put into 1 ME research?
Edit: I could have sworn that was part of the plan but I don't see anything about it in the OP.
/me scratches head.
Carry on.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.09.03 13:10:00 -
[956]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Fleshbot I can see people are dropping like flys during this collection process. I'd suggest a final call before you determine that Block 3/4 can't be filled. If it's close people might be willing to throw in a bit more to close up the gap.
As far as I am concerned, this IPO launch has been an outstanding success already. To aquire two Titan BPOs and have them put to work without a hitch has been a source of great satisfaction for me.
However, it is clear that filling block 3 to aquire the 3rd BPO is pushing the boundaries of what can be achieved at present and filling block 4 is a distant dream. Obviously recent events have made that situation worse as many reservations cannot be honoured because the isk is no longer accessible to the investor due to the EBANK account freeze and there has been further negative impact due to the drop in confidence in the investment marketplace.
I would like to see if block 3 can still be filled, particularly since we are already half way there. So I'm thinking that I should give it a few days with the current list (up to the weekend), then remove all unpaid reservations from the list, calculate the shortfall and then open it up for isk payments only (no reservations required) for one more week (until the end of next weekend) to see if we can gather the remaining isk. If we miss the mark, then I'll return all isk that didn't make it into blocks 1 and 2.
Does anyone have any views or objections to this plan?
Seems wholly acceptable given the current climate.
Still going to rotate the first two BPOs Im assuming correct? |
Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.09.03 14:17:00 -
[957]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Does anyone have any views or objections to this plan?
Sounds like a good idea, I know I for one have a bit more isk I'd invest, to get that 3rd bpo on :)
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macsuibhne
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Posted - 2009.09.03 15:36:00 -
[958]
Posting again quick to confirm 5mil sent last night approx 11pm GMT
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Awulf
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Posted - 2009.09.03 18:13:00 -
[959]
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
Ummm hrmmm, wondering if I screwed up as I sent my 100 million isk directly to Bad Bobby.
Did I screw up or am I good here?
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Iron Golem
Third Return Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.03 20:32:00 -
[960]
Yes, you screwed up. LOL
I would send him a message. : )
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.03 21:09:00 -
[961]
Mind marking me down as paid?
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Chloyee
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:21:00 -
[962]
Edited by: Chloyee on 03/09/2009 22:23:46 Bobby, I saw your recommended course of action for Block 3, and I agree with them. I really want to see Block 3 succeed as well, so when there's an opprotunity please slot me in for another 150mil, making my complete investment 300mil. Thanks again, and I applaud your efforts in this endeavor.
Also, while it may be tedious. Have you tried sending in-game mails to the people who've committed but not yet paid? I know I often forget to check the forum threads, and also, it was sometime ago that these people made the committment so it's very possible they've simply forgotten about it.
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Leviathan Taylor
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:28:00 -
[963]
Isk Sent
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.03 22:50:00 -
[964]
Edited by: Pierced Brosmen on 03/09/2009 22:50:51 I'd really like to see Block 3 succeed as well, and so I want to double my investment and reserve 500 more shares
[edit: spelling]
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Awulf
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Posted - 2009.09.03 23:05:00 -
[965]
Edited by: Awulf on 03/09/2009 23:05:18 Sent an Eve mail to Bad Bobby to clear up the mistake.
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sporkmonger
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.04 00:02:00 -
[966]
I have a reservation for block 4, but if there are no-shows in block 3, I would happily put an additional investment in block 3.
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Kabu Abu
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Posted - 2009.09.04 02:17:00 -
[967]
ill reserve 100 shares for block 3 unless taken, then put me down for block 4
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Kamikaze Fleet Elite The Firm.
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Posted - 2009.09.04 02:21:00 -
[968]
I will sell some datacores this weekend and add another 100 million (maybe more depending on what I get for them)
drop me an evemail when you want me to send Iskies (or forum post)
I really want to get Block 3 up as well :)
Dafydd
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Delbar
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:22:00 -
[969]
I'm a bit late to the party being a relativly new player. However, If the reservations are still open mark me down for a 25 share reservation.
P.S. - I'm assuming that if things are opened next week all investors will be welcomed not just those with reservations for blocks 3 and 4?
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Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.04 03:38:00 -
[970]
I'm a bit late to the party being a relativly new player. However, If the reservations are still open mark me down for a 25 share reservation.
P.S. - I'm assuming that if things are opened next week all investors will be welcomed not just those with reservations for blocks 3 and 4? . |
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:37:00 -
[971]
If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
12150 - Ji Sama 6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 50 - Illuvatarai 500 - KanoFu 5 - Smarter 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 500 - SpaceBalls Two 600 - Mhagon 750 - Artis de'Partis 100 - Breaker77 100 - Vie Victus 500 - Angelina Morgan 100 - Marros Thiben 10 - Halborn 1000 - xXSnUgGlEsXx 50 - sporkmonger 3 - Gale Fource 75 - Shamasu 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 30 - boliano 1 - XICD7 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 400 - Hawkcrest 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 100 - Jaharoth 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 1000 - Dr Nefarius 400 - Lucien Corentin 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 500 - Solisk 50 - Ardaeik Marconea 100 - Roquezir 25 - Aidan Brooder 10 - ApostleOfWar 225 - vile56 200 - Albahaca 500 - Dr Nefarius 300 - Norah Sin 200 - Crebjr 1000 - KasAnna PhD 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 200 - Hen Broon 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 100 - Captain Rawr 100 - Kiree Chancel 100 - Andrea Griffin 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 100 - Garith Arden 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 200 - Nick Marsh 250 - LifeHatesMe 100 - Moonacre 10 - Madman ness 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 1 - Moya81 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 100 - Syaran 7 - Packtu'sa 200 - Andron Blaxcor 30 - Du'Kar 300 - Havok Pierce 50 - Ronaldo Carrare 20 - Seth Calhoun 10 - Vilgan i'Lakin 250 - Khan Sheidoh 100 - Blurredweasel 200 - Henkietankie 7500 - Eiroze / Kouryusei 500 - Xiu Liang 50 - Hunlight Faithus 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 100 - triafrenum 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 5 - Xonus Calimar 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 20 - Anli Niren 10 - D'ceet 250 - Sin Six 100 - Kharakan 500 - Beth Ann 100 - Porcialina Blue 25 - Ruskitrader 25 - Zumatra 5 - Super Extremo 50 - Cruel Sculpture 10 - sinqlaison 200 - FightingMoose 200 - Cruel Sculpture 500 - Kilgore Headbuster 100 - anthony martin 150 - Sidis Aran 50 - SirusDeVirus 200 - Nictus Astartes (reserved by Demonos Silentium) 10 - Garbaroth 150 - XxTheKmanxX 20 - Nitakko 100 - Aleusandris 40 - lollerwaffle 40 - Daraan'el 200 - Leonard Nairdene 10 - Toksyuryel 8 - Haladara Omshiirion 200 - Admiral Tom 750 - dojocan81 2000 - leonrussell1982 100 - Kal live2kill 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:38:00 -
[972]
Originally by: Awulf
Originally by: Bad Bobby If you are on this list send your isk to Titans 4U now!
Ummm hrmmm, wondering if I screwed up as I sent my 100 million isk directly to Bad Bobby.
Did I screw up or am I good here?
Don't worry, you are not the first and you won't be the last.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:40:00 -
[973]
Originally by: Solisk Mind marking me down as paid?
When did you send the isk?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:45:00 -
[974]
I'm not taking any further reservations. By the end of today I will post here to confirm the amount of isk outstanding in block 3. I will then declare it a free-for-all until next Sunday whereby you can just send me your isk and post here without a reservation. That will give us 9 days to fill up block 3, if we fall short of the target I will return all the isk sent for block 3.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 05:49:00 -
[975]
Originally by: Gulnack I'm assuming that if things are opened next week all investors will be welcomed not just those with reservations for blocks 3 and 4?
Yes, all unpaid reservations will be voided later today and then anyone can send me isk.
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Compstomper1
Chumly Incorporated Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2009.09.04 06:01:00 -
[976]
ISK has been sent.
Thanks, Compstomper1
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.04 08:08:00 -
[977]
300m sent per additional reservation.
Will also try and free up some more capital in the next week to help fill block 3.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 10:44:00 -
[978]
No reservations, just send your isk to Titans 4U and post here to confirm.
This oppertunity will close on Monday 14th September.
Payments received so far:
6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 600 - Mhagon 100 - Breaker77 75 - Shamasu 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 300 - Norah Sin 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 100 - Moonacre 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 200 - Andron Blaxcor 20 - Seth Calhoun 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 200 - FightingMoose 40 - lollerwaffle 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk
Total: 33641/68000
That leaves 34359 shares still up for grabs.
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Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.09.04 15:34:00 -
[979]
25 Sent . |
max ikabon
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Posted - 2009.09.04 16:07:00 -
[980]
ISK Send for 250 more shares
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Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.04 16:26:00 -
[981]
Just sent the ISK for 200 more shares.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.04 16:33:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Solisk Mind marking me down as paid?
When did you send the isk?
Aha, found it! You sent it to the corp wallet.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:01:00 -
[983]
Just sent another 100 mil isk
Kithran
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:05:00 -
[984]
400mil Isk sent for free-for-all part of Block 3 collection.
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Berg Bergerson
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:26:00 -
[985]
50m Sent for free for all.
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:35:00 -
[986]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Solisk Mind marking me down as paid?
When did you send the isk?
Aha, found it! You sent it to the corp wallet.
Ahh, sorry. I guess when I saw others saying they sent it to "Titans 4u" I assumed they meant the corp wallet.
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Kabu Abu
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Posted - 2009.09.04 17:42:00 -
[987]
100 mil sent for 100 shares m8 =D
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Luna Leecher
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Posted - 2009.09.04 22:07:00 -
[988]
Is this collection for the second BPO or the third one ?
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Daquaris
I.M.M Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.09.04 22:51:00 -
[989]
10m sent
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Reginald Rartan
More Money Ltd Neutrino Technologies
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Posted - 2009.09.04 22:52:00 -
[990]
10 for me :)
Now MML bonds have a homepage. Subscribe, reserve and buy bonds |
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.09.04 22:55:00 -
[991]
10M sent
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.05 03:48:00 -
[992]
Originally by: Luna Leecher Is this collection for the second BPO or the third one ?
Third.
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sporkmonger
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2009.09.05 06:13:00 -
[993]
200M sent
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Ith Ratheos
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.05 16:46:00 -
[994]
100m sent
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Kiree Chancel
Caldari ATRISC
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Posted - 2009.09.05 18:51:00 -
[995]
Since i was in block 4 originally, and now its no-reservations on block3, i'm taking this opportunity to jump in.
100M isk sent.
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Shadowhawk38
Rage Against the Dying Light
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Posted - 2009.09.06 00:44:00 -
[996]
Sent ISK to Bad Bobby since I had no idea where else to send it. Hope I'm not too late.
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Kabu Abu
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Posted - 2009.09.06 11:49:00 -
[997]
Originally by: Shadowhawk38 Sent ISK to Bad Bobby since I had no idea where else to send it. Hope I'm not too late.
should'nt be but what do i know been 2 days w/o as little of a confirmation on who's isk he has recieved or anything =/
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.09.06 12:45:00 -
[998]
Looking forward to seeing how this IPO performs since the latest titan nerf was announced: http://pc.ign.com/articles/102/1021847p1.html
--- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.06 14:08:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Looking forward to seeing how this IPO performs since the latest titan nerf was announced: http://pc.ign.com/articles/102/1021847p1.html
I don't forsee the listed nerf effecting anything except the tears of supercap pilots... Titans will still play a vital role even without the area of effect and with the inclusion of fighters designed to damage cap and supercap ships, turnover should increase. All it does is remove the big "I win" sign from the titan. With more and more alliances being able to field mutliple titans in a fight, this is a good thing.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.06 17:19:00 -
[1000]
Originally by: Kabu Abu
Originally by: Shadowhawk38 Sent ISK to Bad Bobby since I had no idea where else to send it. Hope I'm not too late.
should'nt be but what do i know been 2 days w/o as little of a confirmation on who's isk he has recieved or anything =/
Sorry. I am otherwise engaged with my Alliance Tournament team at the moment, so my time is at a premium.
If you think that sending some isk to my wallet should result in me dispatching a singing telegram to you within hours, then you will be disapointed. If, on the other hand, you accept that I might post a new list including all investments I have received after a few days have passed then you'll be ok.
If you are not happy with the level of dedication I have to this project, then I'm more than happy to return your isk.
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Hannu Severi
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Posted - 2009.09.06 17:55:00 -
[1001]
Edited by: Hannu Severi on 06/09/2009 17:56:31 2 mill ISK sent, thanks. Sorry it couldn't be more :(
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trickamonis
Intergalactic Shared Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.06 18:08:00 -
[1002]
Edited by: trickamonis on 06/09/2009 18:08:38
Originally by: Hannu Severi Edited by: Hannu Severi on 06/09/2009 17:56:31 2 mill ISK sent, thanks. Sorry it couldn't be more :(
Sorry forgot to switch alt! ISK really from me, thank.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.07 06:29:00 -
[1003]
No reservations, just send your isk to Titans 4U and post here to confirm.
This oppertunity will close on Monday 14th September.
Payments received so far:
6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 600 - Mhagon 100 - Breaker77 75 - Shamasu 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 300 - Norah Sin 300 - Regis Nex 100 - Chloyee 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 200 - Regis Nex 300 - Manandoun 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 100 - Moonacre 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 200 - Andron Blaxcor 20 - Seth Calhoun 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 200 - FightingMoose 40 - lollerwaffle 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - max ikabon 200 - Aelana Anais 500 - Solisk 25 - Gulnack 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 100 - Kithran 400 - Bert Rebus 50 - Berg Bergerson 100 - Kabu Abu 10 - Daquaris 10 - Reginald Rartan 10 - Kahn Engineer 200 - sporkmonger 100 - Ith Ratheos 100 - Kiree Chancel 2 - trickamonis 150 - Shadowhawk38
Total: 35849/68000
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Lunewraith
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.09.07 17:30:00 -
[1004]
250 mil sent for the no reservation block. Thanks.
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Bloedrivier
22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.09.08 10:43:00 -
[1005]
250mil sent |
Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.08 15:27:00 -
[1006]
500 mill sent
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.09.08 22:16:00 -
[1007]
250 million sent for the no reservation block. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.09 21:32:00 -
[1008]
So how will the goons plan to remove all POSes from highsec affect this??
Quote: The holy system of Jatate is the first to be cleansed. All towers anchored in orbit of moons will be destroyed. The New Eden Research Alliance was a research conglomerate based out of Jatate, and had control towers anchored throughout New Eden. Over the past week, all towers have either been removed or destroyed. Once Jatate is purged, we will proceed to cleanse other systems, without notice or warning. It is our hope that you will realize the suffering that you are causing with these structures, and recognize that immediately removing them from the orbit of moons is the right thing to do. Otherwise, your towers will fall.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175577
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ginlaan
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Posted - 2009.09.09 22:00:00 -
[1009]
100 million isk sent
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.09.10 14:55:00 -
[1010]
I have increased my commitment to 250m isk for the unreserved block, and have sent it to Titans 4U.
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.11 08:23:00 -
[1011]
I have a further 500m i'm willing to put in, but considering the rate at which further investment funds are flowing in, it appears very unlikely that this block will be filled.
Perhaps a final attempt at bringing the IPO opportunity to the attention of the market is required - in another thread. I know its generally frowned upon to start additional threads on the same subject, but 35 page long threads tend to be ignored by readers if they think the information is not relevant to them, and its way too much effort to read through to work out what the position is.
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Aloe Cloveris
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.11 09:24:00 -
[1012]
An additional 50m sent for the no-reservation block just now ---------------------- Oh god how did this get here I am not good with computer |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.11 12:08:00 -
[1013]
Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk I have a further 500m i'm willing to put in, but considering the rate at which further investment funds are flowing in, it appears very unlikely that this block will be filled.
Perhaps a final attempt at bringing the IPO opportunity to the attention of the market is required - in another thread. I know its generally frowned upon to start additional threads on the same subject, but 35 page long threads tend to be ignored by readers if they think the information is not relevant to them, and its way too much effort to read through to work out what the position is.
I am not prepared to create another thread, sorry. While I would most certainly like to see us raise another 30 billion over the next 3 days to allow the purchase of our third Titan BPO, I am not going to dirty the forums in the process.
From my personal perspective this launch is already a resounding success. Having raised 136 billion isk, purchased two Titan BPOs and put them to work I am extremely pleased. It is with some sadness that I look at the extra 37 billion that is sitting in my wallet, because I expect it will be going back to it's owners without having had the chance to achieve it's potential.
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.11 13:37:00 -
[1014]
Understood. Perhaps i'll bump this thread by sending 1m every 5 minutes instead
I'll hold onto my funds and await return of the rest. A bit sad to have missed the boat on this. I wish you all the best with it.
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TheMahdi
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Posted - 2009.09.11 14:03:00 -
[1015]
30mil sent.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.09.11 15:09:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Breaker77 So how will the goons plan to remove all POSes from highsec affect this??
Quote: The holy system of Jatate is the first to be cleansed. All towers anchored in orbit of moons will be destroyed. The New Eden Research Alliance was a research conglomerate based out of Jatate, and had control towers anchored throughout New Eden. Over the past week, all towers have either been removed or destroyed. Once Jatate is purged, we will proceed to cleanse other systems, without notice or warning. It is our hope that you will realize the suffering that you are causing with these structures, and recognize that immediately removing them from the orbit of moons is the right thing to do. Otherwise, your towers will fall.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1175577
It won't.. the chances of them actually finding this tower is pretty null and last I've seen Bad Bobby has some pretty heavy experience in tower defense. |
Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.11 17:59:00 -
[1017]
So you're saying the Jihads should look for well defended research POSs?
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Tsang Chou
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Posted - 2009.09.11 18:22:00 -
[1018]
500m sent.
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.09.11 20:14:00 -
[1019]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Breaker77
It won't.. the chances of them actually finding this tower is pretty null and last I've seen Bad Bobby has some pretty heavy experience in tower defense.
yes we know absolutely nothing about taking down defended towers
so you in space
Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |
Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.09.14 16:11:00 -
[1020]
I guess no more block 3 :(
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.09.14 20:55:00 -
[1021]
It would appear that the 3rd and 4th titan BPO's will not be bought.
Now comes the time when people will wonder what Bobby will do. Give back all the isk sent in or refund as he said.
I have two refunds coming.
One for 3rd group I sent in around Posted - 2009.08.25 19:48:00 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise 1b sent for 3rd Group
Then one I sent in for what I thought was the 4th group on Posted - 2009.08.29 20:38:00 Originally by: Fitz VonHeise Isk sent
(I feel for you Bobby. Having to go back through all those figures to see who gave what when)
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.09.14 23:29:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Magnu Stormhawk I have a further 500m i'm willing to put in, but considering the rate at which further investment funds are flowing in, it appears very unlikely that this block will be filled.
Perhaps a final attempt at bringing the IPO opportunity to the attention of the market is required - in another thread. I know its generally frowned upon to start additional threads on the same subject, but 35 page long threads tend to be ignored by readers if they think the information is not relevant to them, and its way too much effort to read through to work out what the position is.
I am not prepared to create another thread, sorry. While I would most certainly like to see us raise another 30 billion over the next 3 days to allow the purchase of our third Titan BPO, I am not going to dirty the forums in the process.
From my personal perspective this launch is already a resounding success. Having raised 136 billion isk, purchased two Titan BPOs and put them to work I am extremely pleased. It is with some sadness that I look at the extra 37 billion that is sitting in my wallet, because I expect it will be going back to it's owners without having had the chance to achieve it's potential.
Extend the deadline?
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Steel Wraith
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Posted - 2009.09.15 05:03:00 -
[1023]
Originally by: Le Chevalier
Extend the deadline?
I feel the 37B has been sitting idle for long enough. If that isk will not be used to purchase a third BPO I'd prefer to have my fraction of it returned sooner.
Also, bummer.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.15 06:08:00 -
[1024]
Hey kids!
Give me until the weekend to sort a few things out. I have limited time until then.
Unless something happens which allows me to fill the block before the weekend I will be refunding all the block 3 isk on Saturday.
Then I'll be creating the vote for the shares and sending those out.
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Trebor DeCaldar
Caldari Deadspace Excavations
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Posted - 2009.09.15 16:05:00 -
[1025]
fairly certain that the so called titan nerf may have scared investors away. I forsee the so called 'nerf' actually being a boost when taken in with the sov changes and am disappointed that I will have missed the boat by being in block 3.
Oh well, here's hoping some new investors hop on board in the next few days.
Originally by: Hoo Is Siigari lost a ship...
In other news, water is wet, fire is hot, and bacon is delicious
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Nemex
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:09:00 -
[1026]
Does this mean we can still put in buy orders for shares?
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.15 17:53:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: Nemex Does this mean we can still put in buy orders for shares?
Yes, I'll leave it open for investment until Saturday. Just send isk to Titans 4U and I'll add you to the list.
This was not my intention when I set the previous deadline, but life dealt me some bad cards this week and I need a few days to sort things out as a result.
Originally by: Trebor DeCaldar here's hoping some new investors hop on board in the next few days.
A number of parties have approached me about buying up all the remaining shares. I can't say anything more at this stage, but it is entirely possible that block 3 will be full by Saturday.
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2009.09.15 20:15:00 -
[1028]
Sent 500M 2009-09-15 20:12 for 500 more shares.
- Bob Rockbreaker
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.09.15 21:06:00 -
[1029]
1.3b sent
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.09.15 22:25:00 -
[1030]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I can't say anything more at this stage, but it is entirely possible that block 3 will be full by Saturday.
Keep on working it...
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Nemex
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:09:00 -
[1031]
500M sent to Titans 4U for 500 shares.
Thanks.
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.15 23:42:00 -
[1032]
DDD is being replaced with 1 target instead of AoE damage. Hitpoints are being boosted.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=696
Further is it mentioned that right now there is:
Quote:
The current RoF on the super weapons is five minutes. This is because we plan to let everyone do a lot of testing on SiSi over the next several weeks. We will continue to balance based upon the results of public testing and feedback. Firing the weapon has the current effects:
Immobility for 30 seconds.
Jump drive non-operational for five minutes.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1179554&page=3#81
So you jump/warp in, kill 1 ship, and are stuck for a minimum of 30 seconds.
Sounds like a deathtrap and ISK sink for a Titan pilot.
Thoughts?
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Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.09.16 13:14:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: Breaker77
Thoughts?
If that is how you would use a titan, yes they are.
Bump to the tups
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Space Defiler
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Posted - 2009.09.16 13:29:00 -
[1034]
1bil sent
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.16 13:38:00 -
[1035]
Originally by: Breaker77 So you jump/warp in, kill 1 ship, and are stuck for a minimum of 30 seconds.
Sounds like a deathtrap and ISK sink for a Titan pilot.
Thoughts?
Any ship is a deathtrap in the hands of an inexperienced or incompetent pilot.
Take the Taranis, an exceptional PvP vessel that is a favourite of a large portion of the PvP skilled player population.
Bad Pilot: I warp in, kill 1 ship, get webbed and scramed by his friends, lose my ship.
Good Pilot: I warp in at range, let a couple of their tacklers come towards me, manuever so that the the tacklers are seperated by a reasonable distance, then go in and put a point on the first, kill him in a few volleys while his friend runs towards me to save him, then point his friend and repeat the process. Loot quickly, bookmark the wrecks, warp out before the main gang get in point range. Warp back later when the area is clear to salvage the wrecks.
I could illustrate the same principles with any ship class you care to name and I have personal experience of being (at first) the bad pilot and (eventually) the good pilot in each of those ship classes.
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK
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Posted - 2009.09.16 16:54:00 -
[1036]
Write me up for another 400 mill.
Also bump
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.09.16 17:31:00 -
[1037]
Originally by: Breaker77 So you jump/warp in, kill 1 ship, and are stuck for a minimum of 30 seconds.
Sounds like a deathtrap and ISK sink for a Titan pilot.
Thoughts?
Our guys were taking about this.
Say PL decides they want to take out a fleet with titans. They bring 10 of them alone with supporting caps. They instantly kill 10 caps. There is a four minute wait: They kill another 10 caps. Four minutes more: 10 more caps. In the space of 12 minutes you have just killed 30 caps.
Let's say you can't one shot cap ships and it takes two titans to kill a cap. That is still 15 caps dead in 12 minutes plus what ever other caps your dreads are killing off. That is a huge drop in DPS and I'm sure it would break any cap fleet and make them run.
Or they will counter hot drop with their titans.
Either way the ship builders are going to be making out.
So I think you will see Titans running in packs after this. You will need more of them not less.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.16 17:47:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise You will need more of them not less.
I think that is something we can safely assume regardless of nerf, buff or stalemate. There will always be more of them.
The pertinent question is more: Will they be produced from BPOs or BPCs?
With the current tendancy for outsourcing of large industrial projects (which is only natural as the player base, industrial landscape and alliance structures mature) I would expect BPC production to remain strong. It is also entirely possible (I'd say rather likely) that I will myself be involved directly in Titan production projects outsourced from alliances involving Titans. I will, obviously, buy BPCs from Titans For You whenever possible in that eventuality.
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.09.16 18:24:00 -
[1039]
I would be interested in reserving 2000 shares-2 billion isk; will pay within 12 hours of this post . . . am unable to access game due to employer firewall.
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TraderAlt 3104989531
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Posted - 2009.09.16 18:42:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I will, obviously, buy BPCs from Titans For You whenever possible in that eventuality.
Really? Even if you can find cheaper BPCs?
Additionally, you being a possible customer mean you have an interest in keeping the BPCs prices low, an advantage to your titan building business but not so much to the investors. How will you make sure the BPC prices you offer are fair to the investors?
(Because I have nothing else to do than have you answer fear mongering questions )
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.16 19:24:00 -
[1041]
Originally by: TraderAlt 3104989531
Originally by: Bad Bobby I will, obviously, buy BPCs from Titans For You whenever possible in that eventuality.
Really? Even if you can find cheaper BPCs?
Note "whenever possible" which indicates there would be situations where it would not be possible to send the business this way. Those circumstances would include me finding cheaper BPCs elsewhere and not wanting to harm Titans For You profits by discounting to match that price.
Originally by: TraderAlt 3104989531 Additionally, you being a possible customer mean you have an interest in keeping the BPCs prices low, an advantage to your titan building business but not so much to the investors. How will you make sure the BPC prices you offer are fair to the investors?
By being paid 6% of profits from Titans For You BPC sales and by, potentially, being the single largest shareholder in the project.
Also, Titan building profits are good enough that I don't have to rob my shareholders to earn a crust.
Originally by: TraderAlt 3104989531 (Because I have nothing else to do than have you answer fear mongering questions )
Your fears are probably shared by others, it is always good that the questions get asked and answered. All you can do is insult my intelligence and integrity, which isn't exactly a new experience for me having run a number of publicly scrutinised operations in the past. Keep them comming.
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TraderAlt 3104989531
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Posted - 2009.09.16 23:19:00 -
[1042]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Your fears are probably shared by others, it is always good that the questions get asked and answered. All you can do is insult my intelligence and integrity, which isn't exactly a new experience for me having run a number of publicly scrutinised operations in the past. Keep them comming.
Which is why I brought it up,
Signed, alt of a happy investor.
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and it's "scrutinized"
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.09.17 01:17:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Le Chevalier I would be interested in reserving 2000 shares-2 billion isk; will pay within 12 hours of this post . . . am unable to access game due to employer firewall.
2000M sent to Titans 4U for 2000 shares.
Thank You
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 09:42:00 -
[1044]
I've been made a private offer for 20b isk to be used to purchase the bulk of the outstanding shares in the 3rd block of this IPO. This offer would result in 20b of shares being owned by myself but with an obligation to repay the originator of the loan (rather than myself) should liquidation occur either from hit-by-a-bus or titan-market-failure.
I have decided to accept this offer and we are just making the final arrangements.
I will be leaving instructions for the Trustees via a corp mail in the super sekrit corp on how the repayment of this debt should be handled. Essentially they pay back the debt rather than paying me for my shares, so nothing controversial.
This 20b will be repaid, from my pocket, over the next year (or sooner). I will have the option of selling on my 20b of shares to assist in this, or I can keep the shares and earn profits from them, but that will be my call. Once this debt has been repaid I will communicate this fact to the Trustees and shareholders so that everyone is aware that this obligation no longer exists.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 09:47:00 -
[1045]
I'm at work without access to Titans 4U's wallet, so I can't update the list right now. But I can see from EVEMon that I have 47b on hand. 3b of that is the "war chest" for the IPO and 44b of that is investment in the 3rd block. 68b is our target, leaving 24b outstanding. With the 20b from the private arrangement mentioned in the post above we will have 4b remaining in block 3.
So, potential investors, 4b by Saturday morning, go go go!
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Jadun
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Posted - 2009.09.17 09:50:00 -
[1046]
yo ho all
Bad Bobby made me smile with his last post.
got a final question when can we expect to see the first block div being paid out?
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Cristo Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.17 09:52:00 -
[1047]
Yay!
I'll send the additional 500m i held back asap.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.17 09:58:00 -
[1048]
When I checked it this morning we had just under 70 days for the first copy to be produced, that will be our one and only ME0 copy and therefore not offering the best returns. The other two BPOs will be ME1 researched before copying so we will get two ME1 copies out in the second round and then three ME1 copies in the final round of the first year. After that it's three ME1 copies every four months until we decide to close the operation down. Obviously, due to the delays in gathering the funds to buy the BPOs the production of copies will be staggered a little (which is a good thing).
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AngryMusheen
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Posted - 2009.09.17 11:05:00 -
[1049]
still taking investments for this? I only have 10mil to blow, but I have taken bigger risks before (with real money in the real stock market). It isn't much but if you have it covered by the 20b investment to buy up whatever is needed after all public investors, then it is a good deal to get some return down the road. It is the same with my real life stocks, I buy what I can that pays quarterly dividends, then sit back and (almost always) re-invest the dividends. In real life, near retirement age, I should have a decent nest egg. In Eve, over the next year or two, it would just be nice to have a quarterly dividend show up (always a nice surprise!)
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:07:00 -
[1050]
No reservations, just send your isk to Titans 4U and post here to confirm.
This oppertunity will close on Saturday 19th September.
Payments received so far:
6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 600 - Mhagon 100 - Breaker77 75 - Shamasu 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 300 - Norah Sin 100 - Chloyee 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 100 - Moonacre 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 200 - Andron Blaxcor 20 - Seth Calhoun 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 200 - FightingMoose 40 - lollerwaffle 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - max ikabon 200 - Aelana Anais 500 - Solisk 25 - Gulnack 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 100 - Kithran 400 - Bert Rebus 50 - Berg Bergerson 100 - Kabu Abu 10 - Daquaris 10 - Reginald Rartan 10 - Kahn Engineer 200 - sporkmonger 100 - Ith Ratheos 100 - Kiree Chancel 2 - trickamonis 150 - Shadowhawk38 250 - Lunewraith 250 - Bloedrivier 500 - Pieced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 100 - ginlaan 250 - Andrea Griffin 50 - Aloe Cloveris 30 - TheMahdi 500 - Tsang Chou 4 - DRKabal 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 1300 - Cpt Steo 500 - Nemex 1350 - Ji Sama 1000 - Space Defiler 400 - Promethian Child 2000 - Le Chevalier
Total: 44283/68000
Plus, to be confirmed:
20000 - Bad Bobby
Total: 64273/68000
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Abernie
Intolerable Tyranny Unity Thru Aggression.
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Posted - 2009.09.17 12:14:00 -
[1051]
500mil sent.
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BIG Brain
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.17 13:49:00 -
[1052]
Edited by: BIG Brain on 17/09/2009 13:50:34 bobby, if it doesn't fill up but Saturday then I'll fund upto 3Bil , I cannot get into the game right now but I have the cash so no worries there
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Rsisa
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Posted - 2009.09.17 14:03:00 -
[1053]
1000 million send
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.09.17 15:57:00 -
[1054]
First off I am glad that it looks like block 3 will be going and I will be involved in this IPO. I have a few questions now that it seems block 3 is moving forward.
Originally by: Bad Bobby
A number of parties have approached me about buying up all the remaining shares. I can't say anything more at this stage, but it is entirely possible that block 3 will be full by Saturday.
If you had several parties approach you about filling the rest of block 3 (lets say 20 billion, since that is what the one offer is), and if we assume 'several' is at least 4, then if you took them all up on their offers would it be possible to get block 4 going? (I realize this is not at all likely, just wondering)
Secondly, If the IPO does well would it be possible to re-open it to investment to get the 4th titan BPO going? (possibly after the first dividends). I ask because in addition to liking the idea of having a full set of BPO's, I will probably have more isk I could invest then (most of the investors probably could aswell) and once you had paid out the first dividends people could be more likely to invest because of the increased credibility.
It might also be worthwhile to see if either now or if/when we try to open up block 4 to get in the eve news that everyone sees when they log in (interstellar correspondents?)
In any case great job so far!
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:15:00 -
[1055]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I've been made a private offer for 20b isk to be used to purchase the bulk of the outstanding shares in the 3rd block of this IPO. This offer would result in 20b of shares being owned by myself but with an obligation to repay the originator of the loan (rather than myself) should liquidation occur either from hit-by-a-bus or titan-market-failure.
I have decided to accept this offer and we are just making the final arrangements.
I will be leaving instructions for the Trustees via a corp mail in the super sekrit corp on how the repayment of this debt should be handled. Essentially they pay back the debt rather than paying me for my shares, so nothing controversial.
This 20b will be repaid, from my pocket, over the next year (or sooner). I will have the option of selling on my 20b of shares to assist in this, or I can keep the shares and earn profits from them, but that will be my call. Once this debt has been repaid I will communicate this fact to the Trustees and shareholders so that everyone is aware that this obligation no longer exists.
The terms for this have been agreed between myself and the private party. It is being treated as a debt from Titans For You to the private party, rather than the party holding shares as an investor. This means in the event of liquidation this debt must be repaid before isk is sent to shareholders.
While this is to the slight detriment of shareholders in the short term, which I regret, I will be holding 20b in shares to match this debt and so this will become a non-issue after the first principle repayment is made. That combined with it being 20b out of a 204b IPO makes the effect to the individual shareholder in the case of early liquidation minimal.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:20:00 -
[1056]
Edited by: eXistentiA on 17/09/2009 16:21:06 sent 400 mill for more shares if these shares are unavaliable i apologise and please just refund the isk. (title suggested share are still avaliable) ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:29:00 -
[1057]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Bad Bobby
A number of parties have approached me about buying up all the remaining shares. I can't say anything more at this stage, but it is entirely possible that block 3 will be full by Saturday.
If you had several parties approach you about filling the rest of block 3 (lets say 20 billion, since that is what the one offer is), and if we assume 'several' is at least 4, then if you took them all up on their offers would it be possible to get block 4 going? (I realize this is not at all likely, just wondering)
The combination of all the offers would not add up to fill the 4th block. We would therefore have to gather other investments to complete the 4th block. Given the extensive delays in fund raising we have seen already I have no desire to string this out any further.
Also, none of these offers were in the form of "I want to buy 20b of shares", they were all more like "I can lend you 10-20b to fill that block under these terms". The offer I accepted was the most competitively priced one, but also the only one that I felt was at an acceptable price. To have taken all these offers to fill the 4th block would have placed an unacceptable burden on me or the IPO, depending on how we worked it out.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Secondly, If the IPO does well would it be possible to re-open it to investment to get the 4th titan BPO going? (possibly after the first dividends). I ask because in addition to liking the idea of having a full set of BPO's, I will probably have more isk I could invest then (most of the investors probably could aswell) and once you had paid out the first dividends people could be more likely to invest because of the increased credibility.
It's always a possibility. Existing shareholders would have to vote in favour of such a move though.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
It might also be worthwhile to see if either now or if/when we try to open up block 4 to get in the eve news that everyone sees when they log in (interstellar correspondents?)
Yes, the news story that was put up part way through this launch had a fairly dramatic effect. It was my intention for it to have been timed slightly earlier, but I can't control the press.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor In any case great job so far!
I try my best.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:34:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: eXistentiA sent 400 mill for more shares if these shares are unavaliable i apologise and please just refund the isk. (title suggested share are still avaliable)
Yes, you can get 400m in. I'm not sure on the exact figure left but I think it is in the 2-3b ballpark.
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Mi5
Revered Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.17 16:44:00 -
[1059]
Another 50 million sent.
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Magnu Stormhawk
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Posted - 2009.09.17 18:59:00 -
[1060]
Originally by: Cristo Stormhawk Yay!
I'll send the additional 500m i held back asap.
Sent
(Posted with alt earlier by mistake)
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firehelix
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Posted - 2009.09.17 19:53:00 -
[1061]
First, I see my name on the list marked for 20 shares. I have sent 40mil in two 20mil chunks, one @ 2009.08.16 11:47 and two @ 2009.09.02 18:42.
Secondly, I have sent an additional 55mil today. firehelix total should be 95mil sent.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.09.17 20:33:00 -
[1062]
Edited by: GavinCapacitor on 17/09/2009 20:34:05
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Bad Bobby I've been made a private offer for 20b isk to be used to purchase the bulk of the outstanding shares in the 3rd block of this IPO. This offer would result in 20b of shares being owned by myself but with an obligation to repay the originator of the loan (rather than myself) should liquidation occur either from hit-by-a-bus or titan-market-failure.
I have decided to accept this offer and we are just making the final arrangements.
I will be leaving instructions for the Trustees via a corp mail in the super sekrit corp on how the repayment of this debt should be handled. Essentially they pay back the debt rather than paying me for my shares, so nothing controversial.
This 20b will be repaid, from my pocket, over the next year (or sooner). I will have the option of selling on my 20b of shares to assist in this, or I can keep the shares and earn profits from them, but that will be my call. Once this debt has been repaid I will communicate this fact to the Trustees and shareholders so that everyone is aware that this obligation no longer exists.
The terms for this have been agreed between myself and the private party. It is being treated as a debt from Titans For You to the private party, rather than the party holding shares as an investor. This means in the event of liquidation this debt must be repaid before isk is sent to shareholders.
While this is to the slight detriment of shareholders in the short term, which I regret, I will be holding 20b in shares to match this debt and so this will become a non-issue after the first principle repayment is made. That combined with it being 20b out of a 204b IPO makes the effect to the individual shareholder in the case of early liquidation minimal.
I am not sure I understand this, so here goes:
Someone loaned you 20b to purchase the remaining shares in block 3. Except you hold those shares. Any dividends to those shares go to the person who gave you the loan by way of repayment. You might also pay them isk out of pocket. And then at the end of the day the loan is repayed you hold your 6% and those 20b worth of shares bought with the loan. I would also assume some sort of interest or flat fee is added so that the person loaning the isk would get a return on their investment. Right?
Related Idea: (assuming I understand what is happening) after the IPO starts, put those shares up for sale, proceeds go to repay the loan.
Edit: spelling/grammar
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Ishikari
Gallente Duct Tape Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:33:00 -
[1063]
Sent in an additional 250m to Titans 4U
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:53:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: firehelix First, I see my name on the list marked for 20 shares. I have sent 40mil in two 20mil chunks, one @ 2009.08.16 11:47 and two @ 2009.09.02 18:42.
Secondly, I have sent an additional 55mil today.
I've confirmed this from my wallet records, sorry for the oversight, I'll add the extra 75m to the list
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.18 05:59:00 -
[1065]
List updated, only 182m left to collect!
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:06:00 -
[1066]
Originally by: Bad Bobby List updated, only 182m left to collect!
Please, allow me.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:08:00 -
[1067]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Bad Bobby I've been made a private offer for 20b isk to be used to purchase the bulk of the outstanding shares in the 3rd block of this IPO. This offer would result in 20b of shares being owned by myself but with an obligation to repay the originator of the loan (rather than myself) should liquidation occur either from hit-by-a-bus or titan-market-failure.
I have decided to accept this offer and we are just making the final arrangements.
I will be leaving instructions for the Trustees via a corp mail in the super sekrit corp on how the repayment of this debt should be handled. Essentially they pay back the debt rather than paying me for my shares, so nothing controversial.
This 20b will be repaid, from my pocket, over the next year (or sooner). I will have the option of selling on my 20b of shares to assist in this, or I can keep the shares and earn profits from them, but that will be my call. Once this debt has been repaid I will communicate this fact to the Trustees and shareholders so that everyone is aware that this obligation no longer exists.
The terms for this have been agreed between myself and the private party. It is being treated as a debt from Titans For You to the private party, rather than the party holding shares as an investor. This means in the event of liquidation this debt must be repaid before isk is sent to shareholders.
While this is to the slight detriment of shareholders in the short term, which I regret, I will be holding 20b in shares to match this debt and so this will become a non-issue after the first principle repayment is made. That combined with it being 20b out of a 204b IPO makes the effect to the individual shareholder in the case of early liquidation minimal.
I am not sure I understand this, so here goes:
Someone loaned you 20b to purchase the remaining shares in block 3. Except you hold those shares. Any dividends to those shares go to the person who gave you the loan by way of repayment. You might also pay them isk out of pocket. And then at the end of the day the loan is repayed you hold your 6% and those 20b worth of shares bought with the loan. I would also assume some sort of interest or flat fee is added so that the person loaning the isk would get a return on their investment. Right?
Related Idea: (assuming I understand what is happening) after the IPO starts, put those shares up for sale, proceeds go to repay the loan.
Not quite, but close.
Someone loaned Titans For You 20b to fund the remainder of block 3. The shares that would have been used to fund that 20b, had they been sold normally, go to me. Any dividends from those shares go to me. I then have to pay the originator of the loan both interest on the loan and principle repayments of the loaned amount on a strict schedule. They make their return with the interest charged to me and their loan is secured by the Trustees who will have to repay the loan should I be hit by a bus. At the end of the day, once I have repaid the loan, I have my 6% profit cut and 20b of shares in Titans For You.
Yes, I have the option to sell those shares to repay the loan.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:13:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Bad Bobby List updated, only 182m left to collect!
Please, allow me.
Be my guest.
That concludes the fundraising. All that remains is for one or more of the Trustees to confirm that they have received notification of the obligation to pay the 20b loan upon liquidation and their acceptance of those terms. Then the private party will release the funds to me.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:21:00 -
[1069]
Block 3 Investors
6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 600 - Mhagon 100 - Breaker77 75 - Shamasu 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 300 - Norah Sin 100 - Chloyee 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 100 - Moonacre 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 200 - Andron Blaxcor 20 - Seth Calhoun 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 200 - FightingMoose 40 - lollerwaffle 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - max ikabon 200 - Aelana Anais 500 - Solisk 25 - Gulnack 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 100 - Kithran 400 - Bert Rebus 50 - Berg Bergerson 100 - Kabu Abu 10 - Daquaris 10 - Reginald Rartan 10 - Kahn Engineer 200 - sporkmonger 100 - Ith Ratheos 100 - Kiree Chancel 2 - trickamonis 150 - Shadowhawk38 250 - Lunewraith 250 - Bloedrivier 500 - Pieced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 100 - ginlaan 250 - Andrea Griffin 50 - Aloe Cloveris 30 - TheMahdi 500 - Tsang Chou 4 - DRKabal 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 1300 - Cpt Steo 500 - Nemex 1350 - Ji Sama 1000 - Space Defiler 400 - Promethian Child 2000 - Le Chevalier 500 - Abernie 1000 - Rsisa 400 - eXistentiA 50 - Mi5 500 - Martosh Toma 500 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - SarcasticDwarf 75 - firehelix 10 - AngryMusheen 250 - Ishikari 182 - Kwint Sommer 20000 - Bad Bobby
Total: 68000/68000
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:27:00 -
[1070]
Block 2 Investors
5450 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirschG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 200 - Xi Khan 150 - Coupe Soleil 300 - Akimori 250 - Mikael Genexi 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 500 - Teavan 10 - Montmazar 300 - Nobaudee 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 500 - Adsion 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - YorikR32 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero 200 - Borakh Tieberius 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 150 - Elenos 100 - Costas Decimia 1000 - Krylon Rhae 20 - Carilan Harritak 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 1000 - Lord Schmock 100 - Daynne Jerreous 30 - Rhivre 30 - Eelis Kiy 100 - Ghost Hunter 50 - Whooricane 100 - R Sharpe 200 - Klausan 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 500 - Marty Brice 100 - Anfinity 50 - Lem Sip 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 750 - SarcasticDwarf 50 - Doc Alaska 40 - DarthCaboose 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 25 - Shamasu 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 250 - Fleshbot 1000 - Lun Skyfell 50 - BlackMail 100 - General Mic 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 2000 - Squatch 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 800 - Cayce Pollard 1000 - Gareth Montesque 100 - Kithran 200 - Norah Sin 700 - Nobaudee 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv 984 - Ji Sama Plus 4006 excess investment from block 1
66000/66000
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:33:00 -
[1071]
Block 1 Investors
100 - Kithran 200 - Cayce Pollard 10 - Cobalt Sixty 2000 - Yukon Kornelius 100 - Jastra 50 - Valnurana 1000 - Veldak Hieranat 100 - Luna Leecher 100 - Marcus Baltar 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista 10 - Gabriel Virtus 3 - Estel Arador 100 - Roguehalo 40 - Jin Nib 100 - Kwint Sommer 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell 2000 - Jadun 300 - Felax Thurin 9 - Breaker77 1000 - Tre Introv 1000 - RaTTuS 50 - Mienka 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski 2000 - eVaLF 2000 - Micge 250 - Cinta Verick 50 - Selinus 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem 250 - Icaly 20000 - Emmgel 1000 - Julian Koll 1000 - Barbicane 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha 100 - Bob Puz 1000 - Sencnes 2000 - Gareth Motesque 1000 - Dibsi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 100 - Magnus Orin 5000 - Conventia Underking 200 - Daeris Milvaer 500 - Tendao 500 - Oxigun 200 - Felax Thurin 250 - Archielaus 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran 700 - Shae Laurel 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana 200 - Mhagon 3000 - Tre Circuit 250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 183 - MailDeadDrop 1500 - Illushin Andropov 100 - Glas Mir 50 - Thomas Windom
Total: 74006/70000
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.18 06:36:00 -
[1072]
Investors, please check the lists and make sure your names are spelt correctly and the ammounts are correct. It will be much easier to correct my mistakes now than once I've sent out shares.
The vote to create 203,000 shares has been started and will run for 24 hours. I will then have 204,000 shares to send out.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.09.18 09:49:00 -
[1073]
Excellent work bobby, now comes the hard bit. -- 3 Titans Lottery
InEve | Capital |
Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 10:03:00 -
[1074]
Good luck, Bobby!
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Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:08:00 -
[1075]
Confirm spelling and amount... thanks BB for all the hard work. Just watching this gave me a headache...
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Iron Golem
Third Return Inc. Vanguard.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 11:48:00 -
[1076]
Confirmed amounts & spelling. Congrats on this MASSIVE undertaking!
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:38:00 -
[1077]
Spelling and amount confirmed.
Cheers!
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2009.09.18 12:39:00 -
[1078]
Confirmed Spelling and Good Luck to us all.
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2009.09.18 13:18:00 -
[1079]
Amount and spelling are correct. Glad to see that block 3 made it through.
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.09.18 14:05:00 -
[1080]
Amount and Name spelling correct. --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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Kamikaze Grace
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Posted - 2009.09.18 14:31:00 -
[1081]
Damn,
Was not able to get onto forum and just sent 150 Mill.
Bobby, if you can send back when you get the chance, that would be great.
Also confirming correct amount and spelling for
20 Dafydd ab'Rhys 80 Dafydd ab'Rhys
(my other toon)
Cheers Grace and Dafydd
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Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2009.09.18 14:48:00 -
[1082]
Confirmed amount and spelling of my beautiful name.
I'm rather excited at the prospects here; and, with the changes to the Titan coming along, I think Titan demand may very well increase. I wish you the best of luck, and not just because I have money invested in this program.
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2009.09.18 15:47:00 -
[1083]
Name & ammount correct; Best luck to us all!
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Space Defiler
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:01:00 -
[1084]
name and amount is correct, good luck!
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:26:00 -
[1085]
Originally by: Kamikaze Grace Damn,
Was not able to get onto forum and just sent 150 Mill.
Bobby, if you can send back when you get the chance, that would be great.
Refunded.
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:43:00 -
[1086]
Everything is correct.
Thanks
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AngryMusheen
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Posted - 2009.09.18 16:54:00 -
[1087]
name and amount correct @ 10mil
I was going to drop another 15mil today...let me (and everyone else) know if you decide to go for a 4th block!
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:18:00 -
[1088]
Bobby,
Block 1 reservation is correct for 2 billion
Block 2 reservation for 1 billion is spelled incorrectly, Gareth Montesque is the correct spelling.
So a total of 3 billion to this character
Gareth
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Mephistophilus
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:25:00 -
[1089]
aww looks like i missed this
goodluck to you all on this
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:25:00 -
[1090]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Investors, please check the lists and make sure your names are spelt correctly and the ammounts are correct.
Name and amounts are correct.
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2009.09.18 17:40:00 -
[1091]
Spelling and amount of shares correct, in both (#2 &3) blocks.
Great to see block 3 filled!
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.09.18 18:01:00 -
[1092]
Correct information.
Now you can finally get started with what you wanted in the first place :D
Have fun. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.09.18 18:13:00 -
[1093]
Everything confirmed as proper for me.
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Chloyee
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Posted - 2009.09.18 18:23:00 -
[1094]
Edited by: Chloyee on 18/09/2009 18:25:07 Edited by: Chloyee on 18/09/2009 18:24:36 The entries for me are correct, however it should be noted that my shares are split up into two pieces in Block 3. Perhaps you might combine them into one. Currently I appear as Chloyee 50, and Chloyee 100, those should be consolidated into Chloyee 150. Thanks, I'm really happy Block 3 is happening now.
You should be applauded for creating an investment opprotunity which is accessible to smaller as well as first time investors. In time of EBank and other large profile failures, Titans4u is fighting to keep the secondary markets alive.
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Ishikari
Gallente Duct Tape Inc.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 18:50:00 -
[1095]
Confirmed the spelling and amounts are correct. You can combine my 500 + 250 into a single 750 in block 3 if that helps any.
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Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.18 19:23:00 -
[1096]
Name and amounts correct.
Cheers!
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:05:00 -
[1097]
name and ammount correct in both block one and two
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.09.18 20:31:00 -
[1098]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Investors, please check the lists and make sure your names are spelt correctly and the ammounts are correct.
Confirming amounts (250 mio block 2 + 250 mio block 3) and spelling. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Akuma Gouki
Amarr Divine Power. Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:15:00 -
[1099]
Confirming correct name/amount for Block 2.
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Mi5
Revered Mining Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.18 21:35:00 -
[1100]
Name and amounts correct :
Block 2 : 50 - Mi5 Block 3 : 50 - Mi5
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.09.18 23:09:00 -
[1101]
Name and amounts correct, 600 mil spread through all blocks :)
Kithran
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Solisk
Gallente HyperFang Aquisitions And Logistics New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.18 23:51:00 -
[1102]
Awesome, it was finally filled! How long until we can expect returns? =P
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.19 08:43:00 -
[1103]
Originally by: Titans 4U Block 3 Investors
6416 - Ji Sama 2000 - BIG Brain 125 - Marcus Baltar 950 - Doc Alaska 100 - Compstomper1 100 - MadeOff 100 - Aelana Anais 500 - GavinCapacitor 600 - Bert Rebus 600 - Mhagon 100 - Breaker77 75 - Shamasu 25 - YorikR32 400 - Nagapito 100 - Matiks 1000 - Tamia Clant 25 - Dagreed 20 - firehelix 200 - LoveTehSexz 200 - LoveTehSexz 50 - Arcturus Canton 50 - Gagarthoe III 50 - Grr'k An'Har 50 - Chloyee 50 - 5ilent 5hift 200 - 4IROW 300 - Norah Sin 100 - Chloyee 100 - SaucyOne 250 - Kelltick 300 - Shusui 100 - Kane Portnoy 10 - GX307 40 - Yarinor 20 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 250 - ShogunAssassin 5000 - Shikoh 10 - GX307 25 - Bouree II 500 - Ishikari 200 - PaaDii 100 - Moonacre 50 - YorikR32 25 - Bouree II 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 100 - Kane Portnoy 500 - Jade Ando 200 - Magnu Stormhawk 50 - Iron Golem 100 - Kithran 300 - Pierced Brosmen 2000 - Miyuki Suzumiya 80 - Dafydd ab'Rhys 2000 - Steel Wraith 200 - Andron Blaxcor 20 - Seth Calhoun 250 - Skyvyr 100 - Moochai 100 - Sandrane Kipler 25 - ShotGun Willy 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 60 - Jin Nib 250 - Mienka 100 - Kithran 100 - Trebor DeCaldar 100 - Leviathan Taylor 500 - max ikabon 50 - Tyranus vonCarstein 75 - Aloe Cloveris 200 - FightingMoose 40 - lollerwaffle 400 - Promethian child 1000 - Tarac Nor 50 - DarthCaboose 100 - Awulf 20 - Rlaph wolf 5 - macsuibhne 300 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - max ikabon 200 - Aelana Anais 500 - Solisk 25 - Gulnack 1 - Kazuo Ishiguro 100 - Kithran 400 - Bert Rebus 50 - Berg Bergerson 100 - Kabu Abu 10 - Daquaris 10 - Reginald Rartan 10 - Kahn Engineer 200 - sporkmonger 100 - Ith Ratheos 100 - Kiree Chancel 2 - trickamonis 150 - Shadowhawk38 250 - Lunewraith 250 - Bloedrivier 500 - Pieced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 100 - ginlaan 250 - Andrea Griffin 50 - Aloe Cloveris 30 - TheMahdi 500 - Tsang Chou 4 - DRKabal 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 1300 - Cpt Steo 500 - Nemex 1350 - Ji Sama 1000 - Space Defiler 400 - Promethian Child 2000 - Le Chevalier 500 - Abernie 1000 - Rsisa 400 - eXistentiA 50 - Mi5 500 - Martosh Toma 500 - Magnu Stormhawk 250 - SarcasticDwarf 75 - firehelix 10 - AngryMusheen 250 - Ishikari 182 - Kwint Sommer 20000 - Bad Bobby
Total: 68000/68000
These shares have been sent out. Please check and let me know if I have made any mistakes.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.19 09:31:00 -
[1104]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Block 1 Investors
100 - Kithran 200 - Cayce Pollard 10 - Cobalt Sixty 2000 - Yukon Kornelius 100 - Jastra 50 - Valnurana 1000 - Veldak Hieranat 100 - Luna Leecher 100 - Marcus Baltar 1 - LaVista "1 Share" Vista 10 - Gabriel Virtus 3 - Estel Arador 100 - Roguehalo 40 - Jin Nib 100 - Kwint Sommer 250 - Viktor Raybach 100 - Freya Lorell 2000 - Jadun 300 - Felax Thurin 9 - Breaker77 1000 - Tre Introv 1000 - RaTTuS 50 - Mienka 2000 - Saehta 100 - Necropski 2000 - eVaLF 2000 - Micge 250 - Cinta Verick 50 - Selinus 1000 - Kazzac Elentria 50 - Iron Golem 250 - Icaly 20000 - Emmgel 1000 - Julian Koll 1000 - Barbicane 50 - Banni Vinda 200 - Dzil 2000 - Athre 10000 - EBANK (Reserved by EBANK Athre) 500 - Viilaa 300 - Moon Dogg 300 - Calipha 100 - Bob Puz 1000 - Sencnes 2000 - Gareth Montesque 1000 - Dibsi Dei 100 - Vernex 1000 - Etara Silverblade 400 - Alaki Kant 1500 - Azrel 1000 - Marbo Slyder 100 - Magnus Orin 5000 - Conventia Underking 200 - Daeris Milvaer 500 - Tendao 500 - Oxigun 200 - Felax Thurin 250 - Archielaus 150 - Marcus Baltar 100 - Kithran 700 - Shae Laurel 200 - Cpt Steo 50 - Valnurana 200 - Mhagon 3000 - Tre Circuit 250 - Drall Warsong 200 - Zaepho 500 - Anastasia Heron 183 - MailDeadDrop 1500 - Illushin Andropov 100 - Glas Mir 50 - Thomas Windom
Total: 74006/70000
These shares have been sent out.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.09.19 10:14:00 -
[1105]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 19/09/2009 10:28:16
Originally by: Titans 4U Block 2 Investors
5450 - Ji Sama 1000 - Fitz VonHeise 1000 - Kapila Parthalan 100 - Biff Hanran 300 - Malec Madain 50 - Mienka 200 - Galal Dax 50 - Angor 25 - Iced Earth 300 - Baar Luun 1000 - Patchday Blues 3000 - eXistentiA 25 - Ossey 100 - HirschG 10 - GX307 60 - Twundum (Reserved by Takawage Hotsuno) 750 - Fleshbot 2000 - Phoebe Halliwel 10 - Veleronx 100 - BoinKlasik 200 - Xi Khan 100 - Jacen Zar 5000 - Marnurn 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 1000 - Tre Introv 100 - BarryGibb 1000 - eXistentiA 200 - Xi Khan 150 - Coupe Soleil 300 - Akimori 250 - Mikael Genexi 750 - Zelseus 100 - MightFearMan 500 - Teavan 10 - Montmazar 300 - Nobaudee 10 - Yarinor 40 - Breaker77 20 - DarthCaboose 200 - Foolish Bob 500 - Adsion 2500 - CrazyArsed Monkey 100 - Leviathan Taylor 100 - Minipod 100 - Moonacre 25 - YorikR32 50 - Rojo Ocho 250 - Vasta Magna 500 - The Mattius 20 - Kerovan 250 - Rorix Bladewing 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Morph1337 250 - MorucK 250 - Arb Zero 200 - Borakh Tieberius 50 - Mi5 20 - Rhivre 1000 - Akuma Gouki 1000 - Vasta Magna 250 - klassasin 150 - Elenos 100 - Costas Decimia 1000 - Krylon Rhae 20 - Carilan Harritak 1000 - Innocent alt 50 - Snickrot 1000 - Lord Schmock 100 - Daynne Jerreous 30 - Rhivre 30 - Eelis Kiy 100 - Ghost Hunter 50 - Whooricane 100 - R Sharpe 200 - Klausan 300 - Aargh 20 - firehelix 500 - Marty Brice 100 - Anfinity 50 - Lem Sip 100 - Emnity Preston 5 - Rakeraker 1000 - Torezu Kushurinada 750 - SarcasticDwarf 50 - Doc Alaska 40 - DarthCaboose 500 - Sai Mien 10 - Chodyniecki 1000 - Estella Vance 2000 - Sazumaan Johnza 200 - Indiexy 40 - Silvermoon Armanis 50 - Mienka 50 - Blades McFlannigan 25 - Shamasu 100 - Pierced Brosmen 250 - Hel O'Ween 250 - Fleshbot 1000 - Lun Skyfell 50 - BlackMail 100 - General Mic 500 - jwingenderowns 500 - Cpt Steo 500 - Bob Rockbreaker 100 - Apophis Vledar 75 - Aloe Cloveris 2000 - Squatch 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Kahn Engineer 20 - Captain N8Hellyea 800 - Cayce Pollard 1000 - Gareth Montesque 100 - Kithran 200 - Norah Sin 700 - Nobaudee 1000 - Katiya Khadiija 50 - CEOcat 50 - 5ilent 5hift 4000 - Hanster Maluki 100 - Kathryn Dougans 30 - strike18 500 - jwingenderowns 50 - Takara Starbreeze 100 - HirschG 1000 - Kazuki Katsuro 100 - 159Hunter 500 - tre introv 984 - Ji Sama Plus 4006 excess investment from block 1
61994/66000
These shares have been sent out.
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Rhivre
Caldari Built to Last New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.09.19 12:26:00 -
[1106]
Confirming shares received....good luck!
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YorikR32
Gallente The Leather Knights Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2009.09.19 13:52:00 -
[1107]
100 shares received.
Thanks Bobby. [Y] Yorik EVE is a game, THIS is real. |
Tyranus vonCarstein
Caldari Maniacal Miners INC
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Posted - 2009.09.19 13:56:00 -
[1108]
Shares received.
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Awulf
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Posted - 2009.09.19 14:45:00 -
[1109]
Shares received. Thanx Bobby
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2009.09.19 16:38:00 -
[1110]
Shares received
Thanks Bobby !
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2009.09.19 18:19:00 -
[1111]
Shares received.
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MightyFearMan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.09.19 19:43:00 -
[1112]
Shares received. Thanks!
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2009.09.20 00:34:00 -
[1113]
500 shares received.
Thank you, sir. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Calipha
Gallente E.M.P. Industries Malum Exuro
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Posted - 2009.09.20 02:24:00 -
[1114]
Received my shares.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2009.09.20 02:56:00 -
[1115]
Confirming receipt of 1,000 shares in Titans For You.
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.09.20 03:53:00 -
[1116]
2000 shares received
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Space Defiler
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Posted - 2009.09.20 04:07:00 -
[1117]
shares received, thank you.
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trickamonis
Intergalactic Shared Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.20 07:59:00 -
[1118]
Shares received, many thanks.
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Yarinor
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Posted - 2009.09.20 09:33:00 -
[1119]
Confirming, Shares Recieved. |
Aelana Anais
Gallente Night Walkers Cold Fusion Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.09.20 15:17:00 -
[1120]
Confirmed, shares received.
Thanks and good luck to us all!
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General Mic
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Posted - 2009.09.20 16:21:00 -
[1121]
Shares recevied, thanks.
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Bouree II
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Posted - 2009.09.20 18:28:00 -
[1122]
confirming 50 shares received!
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Hatoraa
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Posted - 2009.09.21 02:32:00 -
[1123]
any concerns, with news of the changes to titans, and the recent drop in titan prices?
(I'm not an investor, just curious). I had planned on investing in titan bpos, but... future seems a tad uncertain (of course, as with any bpo copying, you cant *lose* isk, just not make as much as planned)
o/ |
Jadun
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Posted - 2009.09.21 03:23:00 -
[1124]
Edited by: Jadun on 21/09/2009 03:23:30
Originally by: Hatoraa any concerns, with news of the changes to titans, and the recent drop in titan prices?
(I'm not an investor, just curious). I had planned on investing in titan bpos, but... future seems a tad uncertain (of course, as with any bpo copying, you cant *lose* isk, just not make as much as planned)
o/
how about reading the half dozen thread that are on the md forum talking about the changes?
p.s. also got my shares and am quite pleased
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.21 03:42:00 -
[1125]
Originally by: Hatoraa any concerns, with news of the changes to titans, and the recent drop in titan prices?
(I'm not an investor, just curious). I had planned on investing in titan bpos, but... future seems a tad uncertain (of course, as with any bpo copying, you cant *lose* isk, just not make as much as planned)
o/
Check out page 35 of this thread.
<Amarr's signature> |
Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.21 06:39:00 -
[1126]
The Avatar BPO is now locked down and is undergoing research to ME1.
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Jin Nib
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Posted - 2009.09.21 07:40:00 -
[1127]
Shares received. Cheers. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Veritech knight
Envoy Corps
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Posted - 2009.09.21 11:39:00 -
[1128]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Check out page 35 of this thread.
thanks. hum, interesting indeed. I guess my only fear at this point would be that mat requirements change, and the bpo's npc price change as well. hopefully not cheaper.
gl to all in this venture. o/ vk
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Galal Dax
The Circle
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Posted - 2009.09.21 13:20:00 -
[1129]
Shares received, good luck to all.
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Daeris Milvaer
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Posted - 2009.09.21 16:34:00 -
[1130]
Shares received. Thanks!
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2009.09.21 17:31:00 -
[1131]
Shares received. Good luck everyone.
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2009.09.21 19:25:00 -
[1132]
shares recieved thank you very much
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Amarr Citizen 155
Tleilex Developments Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.09.21 19:26:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Bad Bobby The Avatar BPO is now locked down and is undergoing research to ME1.
Confirming this.
<Amarr's signature> |
Tsang Chou
Tsang Chou Bonds
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Posted - 2009.09.21 22:20:00 -
[1134]
Shares received.
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2009.09.21 23:56:00 -
[1135]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Titans 4U Block 3 Investors
These shares have been sent out. Please check and let me know if I have made any mistakes.
Looks good to me.
Thanks a bunch for organizing this Bad Bobby. Good returns to us all
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Kabu Abu
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Posted - 2009.09.22 11:23:00 -
[1136]
Shares Recieved =)
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2009.09.22 15:06:00 -
[1137]
500 Shares received. Thanks!
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Moon Dogg
Gallente The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.09.22 15:13:00 -
[1138]
Received my shares. Thumbs up here!
*********************************** "Burn the land, boil the sea, you can't take the sky from me..." |
Krylon Rhae
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Posted - 2009.09.22 17:47:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: Bad Bobby The Avatar BPO is now locked down and is undergoing research to ME1.
Good news.... thanks BB.
BTW.... received my shares... now having visions of isk flowing like a river
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DarthCaboose
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Posted - 2009.09.23 04:41:00 -
[1140]
110 shares received.
Goooooooooo Titans For You!!!
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.23 06:32:00 -
[1141]
Hi. Have not had the chance to check this thread for the last week.
I have not had the chance to check if shares have been recieved or not and will look up on that when I get home later today.
But I noticed a spelling error from the list. I have 2 payments in block 3 (+ one in block 2). one of 300 mill and one of 500 mill. I noticed that the name on my 500 mill payment is spelled Pieced Brosmen and not Pierced Brosmen.
As said. I will check up on shares recieved when I have the chance to log into the game, just writing this now since this is when I first had a chance to check the list.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.23 07:07:00 -
[1142]
Edited by: Bad Bobby on 23/09/2009 07:11:13
Originally by: Pierced Brosmen Hi. Have not had the chance to check this thread for the last week.
I have not had the chance to check if shares have been recieved or not and will look up on that when I get home later today.
But I noticed a spelling error from the list. I have 2 payments in block 3 (+ one in block 2). one of 300 mill and one of 500 mill. I noticed that the name on my 500 mill payment is spelled Pieced Brosmen and not Pierced Brosmen.
As said. I will check up on shares recieved when I have the chance to log into the game, just writing this now since this is when I first had a chance to check the list.
I believe I noticed that error when sending out the shares, so I think you'll have all your shares when you check.
On the subject of errors, I also noticed that one of the lists was 300 shares short. I sold 200 to someone who convoed me regarding block 4 and I have 100 more that I'm happy to part with to the first person who asks for them in this thread.
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trickamonis
Intergalactic Shared Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.23 07:23:00 -
[1143]
If no one has yet took the remaining 100 off your hands I would be more than willing to take them. If so, I can get the ISK to you later today when I log in to game. Thanks.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.23 07:55:00 -
[1144]
Originally by: trickamonis If no one has yet took the remaining 100 off your hands I would be more than willing to take them. If so, I can get the ISK to you later today when I log in to game. Thanks.
Sure send the 100m to Titans 4U and I'll send you the shares.
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Daynne Jerreous
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Posted - 2009.09.23 16:09:00 -
[1145]
100 shares received
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trickamonis
Intergalactic Shared Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.23 18:11:00 -
[1146]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: trickamonis If no one has yet took the remaining 100 off your hands I would be more than willing to take them. If so, I can get the ISK to you later today when I log in to game. Thanks.
Sure send the 100m to Titans 4U and I'll send you the shares.
Thanks, thats great. Just to confirm 100M ISK sent to Titans 4U.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.09.23 23:22:00 -
[1147]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Edited by: Bad Bobby on 23/09/2009 07:11:13
Originally by: Pierced Brosmen Stuff.
I believe I noticed that error when sending out the shares, so I think you'll have all your shares when you check.
Writing this to confirm that I have recieved all my shares
Thanks for a quick reply btw
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.09.24 06:11:00 -
[1148]
Originally by: trickamonis
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: trickamonis If no one has yet took the remaining 100 off your hands I would be more than willing to take them. If so, I can get the ISK to you later today when I log in to game. Thanks.
Sure send the 100m to Titans 4U and I'll send you the shares.
Thanks, thats great. Just to confirm 100M ISK sent to Titans 4U.
Shares sent.
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trickamonis
Intergalactic Shared Services Corp
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Posted - 2009.09.24 07:02:00 -
[1149]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Shares sent.
To confirm, shares received, many thanks.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
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Posted - 2009.09.27 18:58:00 -
[1150]
all shares recieved (yes it took me a while to look)
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2009.10.04 06:42:00 -
[1151]
Not as long as it took me to look.
Shares received.
MDD
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.10.16 18:31:00 -
[1152]
Looking to liquidate these shares in preparation for some corporate activities. Although I don't need it, it might come in handy down the road, so I'm not disparate to sell them.
I have 1,000 Shares worth a total of 1B ISK. Thought I would post here first before anywhere else. See if anyone wants them. EVEMail or PM me in game if I am there. At the moment I'm going to try for 1.1B ISK for all 1,000 of em. Price might be cheaper if I respect you, respect could mean you and I are the best of friends or we never see eye to eye and are mortal enemies.
The way it goes down will be discussed as I'm sure people will want it to happen in various ways. I might move this to Sell if I am motivated enough to sell.
Amarr for Life |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.16 18:48:00 -
[1153]
i offer to buy your 1000 shares at 950M
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Iaazy
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Posted - 2009.10.16 18:58:00 -
[1154]
if your still offering an opportunity to get on board I would like:
200 Shares / 200,000,000 isk
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.10.17 17:50:00 -
[1155]
Edited by: SencneS on 17/10/2009 17:52:31
Originally by: Ji Sama i offer to buy your 1000 shares at 950M
Not taking a loss on these, lowest I will go is 1B ISK.
Originally by: Iaazy if your still offering an opportunity to get on board I would like:
200 Shares / 200,000,000 isk
If Ji doesn't wants all 1,000 for 1B, I might take this offer. I'm not in a hurry to sell or anything just being proactive about a new venture my corp is starting. We may never need the ISK but it's good to have a little reserve in case we need it.
Amarr for Life |
Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2009.10.17 18:10:00 -
[1156]
Edited by: Phoebe Halliwel on 17/10/2009 18:12:46
Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 17/10/2009 17:52:31
Originally by: Ji Sama i offer to buy your 1000 shares at 950M
Not taking a loss on these, lowest I will go is 1B ISK.
Originally by: Iaazy if your still offering an opportunity to get on board I would like:
200 Shares / 200,000,000 isk
If Ji doesn't wants all 1,000 for 1B, I might take this offer. I'm not in a hurry to sell or anything just being proactive about a new venture my corp is starting. We may never need the ISK but it's good to have a little reserve in case we need it.
I'll offer 1b ISK for all 1000 shares or 800mil for 800, whichever. I would prefer 800 to allow a new investor in but obv depends if you get a better offer,
Regards Phoebe
Edit, fail at posting
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.10.17 18:26:00 -
[1157]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel I'll offer 1b ISK for all 1000 shares or 800mil for 800, whichever. I would prefer 800 to allow a new investor in but obv depends if you get a better offer.
That's a worthy cause, Iaazy I will accept the 200 share for 200m and Phoebe, 800 shares for 800mil.
I'll evemail you two in game to arrange payment/transfer of shares.
Amarr for Life |
Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2009.10.17 19:29:00 -
[1158]
800mil sent to SencneS, with confirmation mail. If Iaazy does not contact you to purchase the remaining shares/you don't get a better offer, please let me know
Thanks
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Toksyuryel
Gallente Domestic Tentacle Supply
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Posted - 2009.10.18 09:43:00 -
[1159]
Hm, it is a good thing I checked this thread again. I was expecting you to send out evemails since the forums are really annoying to track. Did I miss my opportunity to send in the ISK for my block 3 reservation? |
Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2009.10.18 17:09:00 -
[1160]
Originally by: Toksyuryel Hm, it is a good thing I checked this thread again. I was expecting you to send out evemails since the forums are really annoying to track. Did I miss my opportunity to send in the ISK for my block 3 reservation?
Yes, the deadline has long since passed and your reservation was voided. I don't think sending evemails to 400 investors would have been practical.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2009.10.18 19:45:00 -
[1161]
Originally by: Toksyuryel Hm, it is a good thing I checked this thread again. I was expecting you to send out evemails since the forums are really annoying to track. Did I miss my opportunity to send in the ISK for my block 3 reservation?
if you cannot keep track of where you wanna invest your isk....
if you still wanna invest isk, sent them to me. You might wanna also sent an evemail so I can keep track. no promises but it would be a huge return for me. |
Iaazy
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Posted - 2009.10.19 01:23:00 -
[1162]
200M sent for 200 shares.
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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2009.10.19 04:46:00 -
[1163]
Confirming both Phoebe Halliwel and Iaazy ISK received and Shares have been sent.
Amarr for Life |
Saehta
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Novus Ordo Mundi
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Posted - 2009.10.21 18:41:00 -
[1164]
As much as I would like to be a part of this, I am restructuring my business to take advantage of quickly changing politics and need to liquify. As such I'm selling my 2000 shares for their original cost to anyone who missed out on this or wants to expand their holdings.
Not looking to profit, so I'm selling for the original price.
2000 shares avaiable @ 1m each
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.10.22 08:41:00 -
[1165]
Edited by: Bad Bobby on 22/10/2009 08:42:39 Our first Titan BPC, an ME0 Leviathan BPC, will be ready in around 35 days.
Currently demand for Titan BPCs is low, due to pre-Dominion uncertainty related to the Titan rebalance, so we won't be getting rich from this first BPC sale. Recent EBANK sales have struggled to shift their BPCs having sold 2 out of 4 at 10b each only after extending their auction.
However, it's going to be many months before our ME1 Erebus and Avatar BPCs come out of the oven and by then we can expect everyone to be fully acquainted with the new-format Titans and the market should have stabilised again. What level of demand there will be and the prices we can achieve is anyone's guess at this stage, but I'm more than confident myself.
I'm also making moves towards a Titan production operation of my own, although the results of the Dominion sov changes will determine how quickly that progresses. Should that operation launch successfully I will be looking to buy my BPCs from Titans For You in preferance over any other supplier, which will bolster demand. At present I expect that all BPC sales from Titans For You will occur publicly and will be open to all bidders, so investors need not worry about me using Titans For You as a investor-funded bargain-basement BPC supplier for my own interests.
I'm not sure if I will be aquiring a Titan for myself, if I do it is likely to be an Avatar because there is something about a laser spewing cosmic death mushroom that appeals to me.
[EDIT] One of these days I'll learn to spell.
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SetrakDark
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Posted - 2009.10.22 10:49:00 -
[1166]
There is also the possibility of paying a small fee for someone who can find a buyer for the BPC, perhaps as a percentage of sale price above 10b (1% fee -> 11b sale -> 1% of 1b -> 10m fee). Just throwing a 10-15b item on the sell forums for a week isn't exactly making the best of its potential.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.22 11:32:00 -
[1167]
Looks great Bobby... I personally dont see any reason to try and sell the first bpc right now, unless your short on liquids! I am extatic and not at all surprised that you want to move into construction :D You have my support, keep up the good work :D
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
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Posted - 2009.10.22 12:21:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: Ji Sama I personally dont see any reason to try and sell the first bpc right now, unless your short on liquids!
Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
Personally, my liquidity is tiny, but that is normal as I like to be either working my isk or pew-pewing with it.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2009.10.22 12:50:00 -
[1169]
Me and my hundred shares are all for you to build this ****. I honestly can't see demand slumping after Dominion. If anything it seems to me they will become more important and sought after. It would be a good move both on your part and for Titans 4 U. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.22 14:08:00 -
[1170]
Originally by: Jin Nib Me and my hundred shares are all for you to build this ****. I honestly can't see demand slumping after Dominion. If anything it seems to me they will become more important and sought after. It would be a good move both on your part and for Titans 4 U.
'
I agree with this, and as a modest investor myself i would also like to say, that i am not in this for the short/instant gratification, i believe bad bobby can fly, i believe he can touch the sky. :D We are in this for the long run :D Go go bantam.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.10.22 20:38:00 -
[1171]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I'm not sure if I will be aquiring a Titan for myself, if I do it is likely to be an Avatar because there is something about a laser spewing cosmic death mushroom that appeals to me.
You just want you're own personal Death Star
...glad to see things launched and off. I think you'll gladly see Dominion bolster demand more than we had anticipated.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:09:00 -
[1172]
Edited by: eXistentiA on 24/10/2009 13:10:20 If anyone is looking to sell their shares at this point send me an evemail. im interested in purchasing about 1000 more ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.24 13:51:00 -
[1173]
I also have a couple of clients that are interested in buying shares, extending a 2000 permanent share buy order!
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.10.24 15:51:00 -
[1174]
No one worried about the 40% price drop in Titan BPC's?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.10.24 17:06:00 -
[1175]
I expect it to rise again after dominion, or in the future, i am sure that ccp intends for titans to become more rare ;) I am purely speculating, but i put my money where my mouth is.
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Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.10.24 19:23:00 -
[1176]
If you are looking to buy some shares please evemail me.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:05:00 -
[1177]
purchasing 400 shares from aethre , cash sent ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Athre
Minmatar The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:06:00 -
[1178]
Originally by: eXistentiA purchasing 400 shares from aethre , cash sent
Isk received, shares sent.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.10.25 22:10:00 -
[1179]
shares received , tks again ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Lunewraith
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2009.10.26 11:27:00 -
[1180]
Originally by: cosmoray No one worried about the 40% price drop in Titan BPC's?
At the moment, not worried about the drop as much as I'm concerned about the seeming inability to sell prints after the the changes hit Sisi. I've been trying to lowball a few prints, not so much as I'm trying to snipe a good deal. I'm concerned I may not be able to divest myself of them should I need to liquidate assets in a short time frame.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.10.31 11:57:00 -
[1181]
Originally by: SetrakDark There is also the possibility of paying a small fee for someone who can find a buyer for the BPC, perhaps as a percentage of sale price above 10b (1% fee -> 11b sale -> 1% of 1b -> 10m fee). Just throwing a 10-15b item on the sell forums for a week isn't exactly making the best of its potential.
I have already offered a finder's fee to a number of contacts in order to reward them for bringing me customers (it's worked well for me in the past too) but I'm not offering it openly to everyone as it would then amount to a % discount on all purchases.
On the general subject of BPC sales, as our first will be ready in less than a month, I'm intending to take the following approach but I am always open to suggestions and discussion on the matter:
I will create a shop thread, linked to and from this thread, in the sell orders forum. This will show an ETA for the next BPC of each Titan type and will list a pre-order price for each. Anyone wishing to take up a pre-order will have to pay a deposit equal to 10% of the final price and in so doing they will reserve that BPC and have first refusal on it at the pre-order price (minus their deposit) at the time that it becomes available. Anyone backing out on a pre-order forfits their deposit and in so doing makes the BPC available for general sale.
Those BPCs that do not find buyers through pre-order on the shop thread will then be sold by a combination of in-game contract and forum sales or whatever other means I may dream up.
I have offered a percentage finder's fee to a number of business contacts (the actual percentage differs from contact to contact) that I will honour should they bring me a purchase. This fee will also apply to bringing me pre-orders deposits, even if the final sale falls through.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.10.31 12:23:00 -
[1182]
The Shop Thread is up.
Bumps will always be welcome!
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.06 22:03:00 -
[1183]
Anyone keeping up on how hard sov upgrades will be to attain?? From the looks of it if you are not ratting and/or mining 23/7 you won't be able to increase the numbers needed to place upgrades. Also once you stop ratting or mining then those numbers decay.
Originally by: CCP Sisyphus Getting the military and industrial indices to increase is a lot of work. A lone person will not really make a dent.
You will need a minimum of two hulks stripmining to get anything at all on the industrial. And Be killing a lot of belt rats to get any military. To get the higher levels (2,3,4) you will need to have already put in the early upgrades, and have a a fair few people spending their time playing there.
The index values decay.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1207007&page=1#21
It will be interesting where the industrial bases get located for alliances. Most will have to be located in systems with a huge number of belts to be able to get the numbers higher to place upgrades.
It will also be funny watching people actually forced to mine jaspet
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.11.08 09:17:00 -
[1184]
Originally by: Breaker77 Looking at the chart with the current prices it looks like it will cost 56 million per day for just the sov, hub, super cap array, and cyno jammer. So thats 1.68 billion ISK just for 30 days of maintance.
Fortunately, supercapital production is not the only justification for claiming sovereignty and upgrading your systems. These system upkeep costs are going to apply regardless of wether you build supercaps there or not. If you can't justify the cost of claiming sovereignty and installing upgrades without building supercapitals then, quite honestly, you're doing it wrong.
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:07:00 -
[1185]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 08/11/2009 15:09:44
Originally by: Titans 4U If you can't justify the cost of claiming sovereignty and installing upgrades without building supercapitals then, quite honestly, you're doing it wrong.
2000 posts of people from just about every 0.0 alliance stating that they would rather run level 4 missions in highsec because it is more profitable and mostly risk free would indicate to me that titans are dieing and will be dead very soon, along with the majority of 0.0 unless the upkeep costs are tweaked which CCP has stated in that thread they are considering changing them.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:09:00 -
[1186]
Good for you breaker :D Some of us think otherwise. You might be right, you can very well be right.
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:14:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Ji Sama Good for you breaker :D Some of us think otherwise. You might be right, you can very well be right.
I have a good chuck of ISK in this venture as well, so I have a lot on the line just like you and everyone else involved. I'm not trying to be the gloom and doom naysayer, but as it stands now Dominion is a massive nerf to 0.0 space.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:40:00 -
[1188]
Funny how people see things differently :D I see it as a 0.0 boost :D I share the developers vision that titans should be rare. :D
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.08 15:53:00 -
[1189]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 08/11/2009 15:53:02
Originally by: Ji Sama Funny how people see things differently :D
I agree
Quote: I see it as a 0.0 boost :D
Will be seen once it actually comes out
Quote: I share the developers vision that titans should be rare. :D
I agree, but wait aren't we involved in a project of selling Titan BPCs to profit??
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.08 16:09:00 -
[1190]
Titans, BPC's Researched BPO's whatever direction bobby wants to take this :D
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2009.11.09 01:16:00 -
[1191]
What you will see is that alliances will have a core home system (or a few core systems), which is/are fully upgraded, has cyno jammmers etc.
In this system a lot of cap ship production will occur. Instead of being spread out it will be heavily concentrated.
On the downside, if the Devs want to make Titans more diffcult to build, and also reduce the income of the major alliances then this would be a severe blow to Titan manufacture.
note: it looks to me that CCP has alliance finances in their site with this patch. The numbers at the top of the big alliances must be huge!
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Dzil
Caldari United Kings Holdings
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Posted - 2009.11.09 15:35:00 -
[1192]
Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.11.09 15:39:00 -
[1193]
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:10:00 -
[1194]
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
I second this.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2009.11.09 16:27:00 -
[1195]
This is the situation with the BPOs at the moment as far as I can tell
Leviathan ME 0 - in copy, due to complete this month Erebus ME 0 - in ME research atm, due to complete January Avatar ME 0 - in ME research atm, due to complete February
I believe the plan was to put the Leviathan into ME research once the copy has been completed. There will be time to see what effect Dominion has before any of the other prints come out of research.
Kithran
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.11.10 12:12:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
I second this.
I too believe this is a good idea, as I did when I first proposed it back when we first discussed the launch of this operation.
Originally by: Kithran This is the situation with the BPOs at the moment as far as I can tell
Leviathan ME 0 - in copy, due to complete this month Erebus ME 0 - in ME research atm, due to complete January Avatar ME 0 - in ME research atm, due to complete February
I believe the plan was to put the Leviathan into ME research once the copy has been completed. There will be time to see what effect Dominion has before any of the other prints come out of research.
Kithran
Pretty much spot on. So after the Leviathan BPC comes out in a couple of weeks it's going to be April before we get another copy, which will be ME 1 and everything will have settled down some from the Dominion changes.
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U If you can't justify the cost of claiming sovereignty and installing upgrades without building supercapitals then, quite honestly, you're doing it wrong.
2000 posts of people from just about every 0.0 alliance stating that they would rather run level 4 missions in highsec because it is more profitable and mostly risk free would indicate to me that titans are dieing and will be dead very soon, along with the majority of 0.0 unless the upkeep costs are tweaked which CCP has stated in that thread they are considering changing them.
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Ji Sama Good for you breaker :D Some of us think otherwise. You might be right, you can very well be right.
I have a good chuck of ISK in this venture as well, so I have a lot on the line just like you and everyone else involved. I'm not trying to be the gloom and doom naysayer, but as it stands now Dominion is a massive nerf to 0.0 space.
The figures I've been seeing suggest that CCP will be lowering those costs before the final release of Dominion.
However, I do not share the opinion of the 2000-odd alliance members that have complained about the system prices. I as a founding member of a 0.0 alliance welcome the changes, I see them as an enhancement to my playstyle and good shake up of the status quo. But this shouldn't be suprising, the pro-status-quo crowd will complain because their are going to lose out and it is in their interest to complain. I'm going to benefit, so I'm pro the changes. It's just differing perspective and the fact that I keep a lean mean PvP focused alliance which is ready to adapt and overcome whereas others keep bloated monolithic alliances stuffed with farmers, carebears and forum whiners to whom the concept of change is as terrifying as the idea of undocking/uncloaking with reds in local.
But let's save that for a different forum.
I know I'll be on the frontlines pew pewing people in my Avatar and I expect, given my propensity for drunken pew, I will be a frequent customer for replacements. I don't think I'll be the only one.
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2009.11.12 22:39:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
I second this.
This would be my vote as well but I would like to always keep one bpo copying and hold off selling copies until market recovers. This was a long term investment, if we have 3 copies ready for when the market does its inevitable spike up then yay for us.
On a different note, perhaps as a group we buy up other copies on the market while prices are depressed, try to drive up prices by keeping supply low and having extras to sell when titan market restarts. We could base the amount of isk on share ownership.
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Icaly
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Posted - 2009.11.17 13:27:00 -
[1198]
I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.17 14:50:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: Icaly I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
Msg sent
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Yantoe
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:33:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: Yantoe on 18/11/2009 13:34:01
Originally by: Breaker77
Msg sent
Cool thanks, i was not able to get online for long last night but i'll get back to you this evening icaly
Edit: Wrong character
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.11.18 13:54:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil Hey, I know I represent all of a whopping 200m in this venture, but maybe this would be the right time to execute a round of ME / PE research on the BPOs, till demand recovers? I don't mind waiting out a recovering in the BPC price till next cycle; an investment in the value of the BPO guarantees an increased value of the shares.
This is a very good idea.
I second this.
+1 share --- 34.4:1 mineral compression ISRC Racing, Season 7 - schedule |
Icaly
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Posted - 2009.11.21 15:16:00 -
[1202]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Icaly I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
Msg sent
ISK received and shares sent thank you
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.21 16:27:00 -
[1203]
Originally by: Icaly
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Icaly I need to sell my 250 shares, please mail me in game if you are interested in buying them. Icaly
Msg sent
ISK received and shares sent thank you
Shares received, Thanks.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2009.11.29 08:44:00 -
[1204]
Originally by: Titans 4U LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW and is currently priced at 10 BILLION ISK.
Buy it or bump it in this thread!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2009.11.30 08:07:00 -
[1205]
I keep getting enquiries about purchasing the Avatar and Erebus BPCs, which will not be ready for some time. The issue with this is that I am hopefull that BPC prices will recover a little in the future so it is difficult to pitch a price effectively. Therefore I am generally going for a proposal whereby a deposit is paid and a maximum price is agreed but if the "market price" at the time of sale is substantially lower we will adjust the final price to compensate. We still get a non-refundable deposit on these sales far in advance, so I feel the deal is fairly balanced.
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dickk vandyke
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:35:00 -
[1206]
I need cash for a business opportunity before Dominion downtime so im willing to sell my 1000 shares for 95% of original value. Convo me in game if you are interested
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:40:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: ****k vandyke I need cash for a business opportunity before Dominion downtime so im willing to sell my 1000 shares for 95% of original value. Convo me in game if you are interested
message sent
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Backpack tiem
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Posted - 2009.11.30 22:58:00 -
[1208]
My first investment Hope titans get boosted yes! Shares received kthnx
PD: haiku FTL
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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:03:00 -
[1209]
Damn you breaker! Greedy bastard!
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:07:00 -
[1210]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 30/11/2009 23:07:35
Originally by: Sama's Minion Damn you breaker! Greedy bastard!
I didn't buy them. Was wanting ISK before Dominion and I only had half of it in ISK
Oh well I'll find more soonÖ
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Sama's Minion
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Posted - 2009.11.30 23:15:00 -
[1211]
he just scammed me out of 760M ^^ was tired, should have used bobby as 3rd party :(
-Ji Sama
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CaptainBRO
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:35:00 -
[1212]
There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.01 00:42:00 -
[1213]
Originally by: CaptainBRO There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
Plenty of buyers, but has to wait until after patch (servers going down in 1 1/2 hrs) and has to use Bad Bobby to transfer them, let me know if interested.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2009.12.01 01:14:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: CaptainBRO There any buyers left?
Willing to sell 500 shares.
Msg in game.
Look at what happened to Ji, don't send isk without the shares, guys.
EVEwatch Sidebar soon "It is the unofficial force ù the Jita irregulars. " |
dickk vandyke
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Posted - 2009.12.01 16:13:00 -
[1215]
And they said Titans 4U didnt pay
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BlackMail
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.02 22:07:00 -
[1216]
so whats going on with this? havent heard anything --------------------------------------- Blackmail Cutting Edge Incorporated All Around Good Guy
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.03 05:33:00 -
[1217]
Originally by: BlackMail so whats going on with this? havent heard anything
It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.03 06:28:00 -
[1218]
If you invested you want to hope that the Titan BPC market rebounds or this won't be paying out much at all.
EBANK also hopes the market rebounds as about 50% of their monthly income comes from this too.
I would seriously doubt that a Titan BPO would even be worth NPC price.
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Grozen
Caldari Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.03 08:47:00 -
[1219]
Titans did get a nasty nerf but its too soon to say how the market manage in 2010.Only time will show. knowledge is power |
Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:20:00 -
[1220]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
If the Titan BPC market dies we will liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
If you were to liquidate now, what percentage would you be able to recover - max and min?
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:30:00 -
[1221]
Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve. Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:40:00 -
[1222]
This is meant to be a long term investment. There has only been one bpc produced so far, unfortunately that came out of the oven just before Dominion was due. I'm not surprised noone bought the bpc then (noone could be sure how the Dominion changes would work in practice). After Dominion there was a 2 week wait before the new sov mechanics were fully in place. Its only been this past weekend where there have been (as far as I know) major battles with Titans on the field (as opposed to being used for bridging) on both sides.
For those that have missed it there have been two big fights in Fountain. The first was IT attempting to take down a TCU to prevent GS/PL/SOT getting sov in a station system. This battle included 10 titans defending and 5 attacking. The second was last night/this morning with IT defending this time while they waited for their TCU to online in another station system. As far as I can tell there were 10+ IT titans defending and an unknown number of PL titans attacking. What is known is there were 4 PL titans killed (first titans killed since Dominion afaik).
This just proves that _any_ project involving titans is going to be long term - it takes 3 months to produce a copy or add a lvl of me and I don't know how long to actually build one. Alliances seem to have been holding them back until they had a better idea of how things work in Dominion, now they are being used in large numbers again I'd expect more demand for bpcs.
Kithran
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Grozen
Caldari Beacon Institute and Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.03 10:55:00 -
[1223]
Im my own opinion i think most large alliances will still lose titans but the ones that have 1-2 or two would wait for the upcoming lag fix that has to go trough some testing first.So the price could get stable again in few months. knowledge is power |
LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:00:00 -
[1224]
Originally by: Varo Jan
How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
Chill.
4-5 titans just exploded this morning
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.03 11:10:00 -
[1225]
Originally by: Ji Sama Haha Varo, I think we need a little more time to get a clear view of the sinus curve :D Market is crashing atm, it will recover :D That is the circle of eve. Rest of your points are more than valid, and would like an answer for that :D
There are two exit strategies: 1. Hit by a bus - very clear. 2. BPC market dies - very imprecise.
All I¦m suggesting is that the latter strategy is given more substance, otherwise there will be perpetual arguments. "It is dead!" "No, it¦s just a cycle." "Yeahbut, the NEXT expansion will buff Titans." "Yeahbut...."
"If no BPCs are sold in two years, we will liquidate," or "If only one BPC is sold in a year, we will liquidate." Something like that, perhaps?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.03 12:26:00 -
[1226]
I agree Varo :D
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:10:00 -
[1227]
Originally by: BlackMail so whats going on with this? havent heard anything
There hasn't been much to report. Research and copying of the BPOs has been proceeding as planned and no sales have been made due to the current state of the Titan market.
Originally by: Breaker77 It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling
I smell manipulation.
Originally by: Varo Jan How much longer before you decide the market is dead?
Much longer.
The Titan has been substantially rebalanced in the recent patch and while this is a nerf from their previous potency it hasn't made them useless and has made them more prone to being used in the kind of engagements where they are liable to be destroyed. Titans will continue to be used and lost and as time goes on they will be used and lost in even greater numbers. Those losses will need to be replaced and a portion of those replacements will be produced from Titan BPCs.
In addition to the rebalance which has given pause to both Titan pilots and manufacturers, we have seen a complete overhaul of sov mechanics which has drastically changed the 0.0 landscape that Titans are customarily employed and produced within. Add on the bug/lag effect that is currently experienced in 0.0 in any sizable fleet action which is making many fleet engagements a very one sided affair and giving fleet commanders good reasons not to employ large quantities of the more expensive capital assets... it's not at all suprising that the Titan market has taken a nosedive.
However, once the lag has been fixed and the Titan and sov changes have been fully adjusted to we are going to see a return of the frequent Titan lossmail and an associated improvement in the Titan market. We're already seeing evidence of this. It remains to be seen how far the rebound in the Titan market will go and how profitable BPC production will be long term, but this is definately not the end for Titans.
We need to give it a few more months at least.
Originally by: Varo Jan If you were to liquidate now, what percentage would you be able to recover - max and min?
I'd have to look at the sales of Titan BPOs to give a price on that, but I'd say that now is probably the worst time to sell one.
In addition to selling the BPOs, it's worth remembering that ME research on the BPOs and the copying to produce BPCs takes 4 months per run, to terminate the operation part way through means to lose all the progress to that point. It would make sense to plan for liquidation so that we can do it as each BPO completes a cycle so that we have BPCs to sell (at firesale prices if needed) and ME1 BPOs to sell at better prices than ME0 examples.
Originally by: Varo Jan
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.
Now I do understand your concerns, even though I believe the current situation is temporary, so I'll formulate a liquidation plan that fits in with the current research and copying schedule. That plan will have milestone dates where it makes sense to decide wether we put a BPO back in for another run or take it to Jita for liquidation. We can then discuss the matter prior to each of those milestones so that I can make a decision.
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.01.05 12:44:00 -
[1228]
I'm in it for the long term so don't wind it up any time soon we always knew it would take an age -- | Capital |
Dalden V
Enigmatic Inventions
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Posted - 2010.01.05 13:01:00 -
[1229]
Are there still any shares available, or someone wanting to sell theirs?
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.05 14:23:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.
I¦m confused. I thought trustees were put in place to mitigate against the risk of you scarpering?
Quote: Now I do understand your concerns, even though I believe the current situation is temporary, so I'll formulate a liquidation plan that fits in with the current research and copying schedule. That plan will have milestone dates where it makes sense to decide wether we put a BPO back in for another run or take it to Jita for liquidation. We can then discuss the matter prior to each of those milestones so that I can make a decision.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. No doubt there will always be conflicting opinions on the market, so I¦d suggest you consider another less emotive angle. This project has always been touted as a long term investment, and rightly so. However, any project should have a minimum rate of return. The current benchmark for an ultra-safe investment is BMBE bonds, paying 3% monthly. This project has risks, all of which you have outlined previously, so the return ought to be higher - and I¦d suggest 100 basis points is very reasonable. In other words, if you have not and do not expect to make at least 4% monthly, you should liquidate.
No doubt some will argue that number. But it would give you a more solid, less nebulous framework to operate in.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.05 15:35:00 -
[1231]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan
Two trustees appear to have left the game. Will that prevent you from liquidating?
The absence of trustees has no effect on liquidation provided I am still around.
I¦m confused. I thought trustees were put in place to mitigate against the risk of you scarpering?
Yes, they can make it hard for me to scarper with the BPOs by voting against an unlock but if they don't do that I can unlock and liquidate. This may be a concern from the security point of view, but it isn't a concern from the liquidation point of view.
Originally by: Varo Jan The current benchmark for an ultra-safe investment is BMBE bonds, paying 3% monthly. This project has risks, all of which you have outlined previously, so the return ought to be higher - and I¦d suggest 100 basis points is very reasonable. In other words, if you have not and do not expect to make at least 4% monthly, you should liquidate.
The comparitive risks of investing in BMBE in comparison to this are debatable.
TornSoul has a good reputation and a good record of past performance, as do I. I believe that BMBE's loans are secured, but the only solid security for a loan is a locked down BPO and Titans For You has that too. The underlying assets are similar and secured in similar ways.
The comparison of TornSoul's offering to this one is also a matter of apples and oranges.
TornSoul's offering was marketed as a 3% fixed-rate Bond whereas this was marketed as a profit sharing IPO. He provides guarentees of a return, mine offers the potential for more at the risk of less. If I was going to offer a minimum % return at any point, then I would have just launched it as a low interest Bond in the first place.
Using TornSoul's offering as the benchmark for the "failure point" of an IPO simply does not make sense. Such a benchmark would have to be taken from the advertised terms of equivalent IPOs or from the actual performance of IPOs that failed to return and liquidated in response. I think you'll find the average yield of such things is much lower than 3% and the idea of posing a 4% failure point is lunacy.
Furthermore, when you consider that this IPO is still in it's "winding up" phase then the idea of it underperforming isn't so unusual. I've seen plenty of IPOs start slowly and only where an actual minimum return was advertised have I, or would I, insist on closure in response.
I have 20 billion invested in this IPO and I have as much reason to complain as the next man. I understand your concerns, but I think your expectations are unreasonable.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.05 15:54:00 -
[1232]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan The current benchmark for an ultra-safe investment is BMBE bonds, paying 3% monthly. This project has risks, all of which you have outlined previously, so the return ought to be higher - and I¦d suggest 100 basis points is very reasonable. In other words, if you have not and do not expect to make at least 4% monthly, you should liquidate.
The comparitive risks of investing in BMBE in comparison to this are debatable. The comparison of TornSoul's offering to this one is also a matter of apples and oranges. Using TornSoul's offering as the benchmark for the "failure point" of an IPO simply does not make sense. Such a benchmark would have to be taken from the advertised terms of equivalent IPOs or from the actual performance of IPOs that failed to return and liquidated in response. I think you'll find the average yield of such things is much lower than 3% and the idea of posing a 4% failure point is lunacy. I understand your concerns, but I think your expectations are unreasonable.
Fair enough. You responded as expected, and I don¦t really disagree with you. So recommend a minimum return that you believe is fair and reasonable.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:24:00 -
[1233]
If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
If BB (I don't think he will) institutes a vote to unlock BPO's at least 1 director has to vote no to nullify BB. If no directors vote then BB would unlock the BPO's. With 2 directors gone that is a 50% drop in security (2 out of 4).
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Dzil
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:33:00 -
[1234]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Fair enough. You responded as expected, and I don¦t really disagree with you. So recommend a minimum return that you believe is fair and reasonable.
Most T2 BPOs are valued at the amount of isk one could expect to make copying them for 2 years straight. That works out to about 4% monthly if you aren't compounding interest. I think this is where the magical 4% line is drawn for most stable investments.
This has a couple meanings: 1. We should expect a BPC to sell at the BPO price+ "interest" from ME research / number of copies made in 2 years. 2. For the purposes of evaluating liquidation, we should consider the BPO price to be the actual price we could reasonable get selling it, likely less than the NPC price.
In my opinion, I'd rather let this investment ride than prematurely liquidate. Instead, I think it would be better to allow trading of shares and supply/demand offer to those seeking early liquidation a way to move out of this offering. My hunch is the shares of this IPO will value higher than the firesale of an entire titan BPO, let alone 4 of them. IE you'll get more isk back selling your shares back to other people in MD than the cashout value of a complete liquidation.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:37:00 -
[1235]
Originally by: Dzil In my opinion...
wut dis gai sed ^
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:52:00 -
[1236]
Originally by: Dzil I think it would be better to allow trading of shares and supply/demand offer to those seeking early liquidation a way to move out of this offering. My hunch is the shares of this IPO will value higher than the firesale of an entire titan BPO, let alone 4 of them. IE you'll get more isk back selling your shares back to other people in MD than the cashout value of a complete liquidation.
I have no problem with the trading of shares and I've brokered several Titans For You share trades already. I agree that for those that wish to cash out now this is the best way for them to go.
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Dzil
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.05 16:57:00 -
[1237]
Originally by: cosmoray If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
If BB (I don't think he will) institutes a vote to unlock BPO's at least 1 director has to vote no to nullify BB. If no directors vote then BB would unlock the BPO's. With 2 directors gone that is a 50% drop in security (2 out of 4).
Being somewhat noobish on corps, BPO lockdowns and shareholder votes, what could be done to reinstate the previous level of security?
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:03:00 -
[1238]
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: cosmoray If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
If BB (I don't think he will) institutes a vote to unlock BPO's at least 1 director has to vote no to nullify BB. If no directors vote then BB would unlock the BPO's. With 2 directors gone that is a 50% drop in security (2 out of 4).
Being somewhat noobish on corps, BPO lockdowns and shareholder votes, what could be done to reinstate the previous level of security?
Two new directors could be hired to replace the old ones.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:21:00 -
[1239]
Originally by: Dzil In my opinion, I'd rather let this investment ride than prematurely liquidate.
Looks like I need to restate something. I am NOT suggesting liquidation. I am saying it makes sense to have an objective measure to determine WHEN liquidation should come into play.
"We will liquidate if the market dies," which is the current strategy, is totally ambiguous, subjective and open to every armchair Titan warrior educating us.
BB has the knowledge and the responsibility to recommend a more objective assessment - and to be measured against it.
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Dzil
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:31:00 -
[1240]
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: cosmoray If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
If BB (I don't think he will) institutes a vote to unlock BPO's at least 1 director has to vote no to nullify BB. If no directors vote then BB would unlock the BPO's. With 2 directors gone that is a 50% drop in security (2 out of 4).
Being somewhat noobish on corps, BPO lockdowns and shareholder votes, what could be done to reinstate the previous level of security?
Two new directors could be hired to replace the old ones.
I guess I don't quite understand the logistics of that though. My understanding was the original directors all took shares in some holding corp via alts. Since you cannot forcibly retract shares, how would you transfer the security role to another player? What happens if the former directors return to the game, or one turns out to be a bad cookie like Ricdic? I think if they start up a new holding corp, it would have to wait until a time when all blueprints were out of copy/research.
Is there some easy way to replace trustees that I've missed?
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:46:00 -
[1241]
The mechanics of voting are quite simple.
Lets say that there is Bad Bobby and director A,B,C and D to make 5. They each own 20% of the shares in the lockdown corp.
BB creates a vote to unlock BPO's. BB votes yes (20% for unlock) no one else votes (0% against)
The vote will then carry and BB can unlock the BPO's. In an ideal world it would take 3 yes votes to unlock BPO's, but if 2 are absent/gone it now takes 2, or if no one is around to check only 1 as no one will vote.
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.05 17:48:00 -
[1242]
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Kalrand
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: cosmoray If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
If BB (I don't think he will) institutes a vote to unlock BPO's at least 1 director has to vote no to nullify BB. If no directors vote then BB would unlock the BPO's. With 2 directors gone that is a 50% drop in security (2 out of 4).
Being somewhat noobish on corps, BPO lockdowns and shareholder votes, what could be done to reinstate the previous level of security?
Two new directors could be hired to replace the old ones.
I think if they start up a new holding corp, it would have to wait until a time when all blueprints were out of copy/research.
Is there some easy way to replace trustees that I've missed?
I didn't say it was simple, easy, or timely.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.05 19:02:00 -
[1243]
Originally by: Kalrand Two new directors could be hired to replace the old ones.
Not could be, should be - should have been.
Shar and Kazzac haven¦t been around in ages, and should be replaced. No reflection on them at all, it is what it is. Investors bought in under a risk profile that included 5 trustees.
I¦d also suggest that trustees are automatically replaced in future if they are absent for X months.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.01.05 19:06:00 -
[1244]
Just posting to confirm I am still active and log in on a daily basis.
Oh and....
/finger for some of you :) Titan BPC Auction Thread |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.05 22:42:00 -
[1245]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 05/01/2010 22:42:09
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Breaker77 It's completely failed and I'm buying shares at 50% original price, convo me if interested in selling
I smell manipulation.
I'm not a bad person, honest
Originally by: cosmoray If 2 directors have truly left the game this will have an effect on the security lockdown.
Even more of a reason to sell to me!! I'm willing to take the risk
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.06 00:49:00 -
[1246]
Originally by: Breaker77
Even more of a reason to sell to me!! I'm willing to take the risk
Is 50% the going rate? Jesus! I'd also be willing to buy up to 200 shares at 55%. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2010.01.06 02:06:00 -
[1247]
I can buy up about 200 shares at 60% face value if any is interested.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.06 07:22:00 -
[1248]
Originally by: Varo Jan Shar and Kazzac haven¦t been around in ages, and should be replaced.
Shar is still around. I don't know about Kazzac though.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.06 07:45:00 -
[1249]
Shar have been seen online. And I am sure Kazzac is around ;) Also I trusted my investment with Bobby, the trustees are just fluff imo :p
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.06 13:44:00 -
[1250]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan Shar and Kazzac haven¦t been around in ages, and should be replaced.
Shar is still around. I don't know about Kazzac though.
Excellent news, his contributions have been missed. Then he won¦t mind posting here to confirm, will he?
Originally by: Ji Sama Shar have been seen online. And I am sure Kazzac is around ;) Also I trusted my investment with Bobby, the trustees are just fluff imo :p
Ji, fluff or not, that¦s the format BB chose and committed to. He has a responsibility to maintain all the terms and conditions of his IPO.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.07 07:11:00 -
[1251]
Originally by: Varo Jan Excellent news, his contributions have been missed. Then he won¦t mind posting here to confirm, will he?
It's quite possible that his contributions are the reason why he hasn't been able to post for a while.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.07 07:23:00 -
[1252]
On the assumption that Kazzac is MIA, I'm happy to install another trustee. Cosmo, are you available?
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:54:00 -
[1253]
I got 1 spare ALT spot left. I can do it if you want.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:59:00 -
[1254]
Originally by: cosmoray The mechanics of voting are quite simple.
Lets say that there is Bad Bobby and director A,B,C and D to make 5. They each own 20% of the shares in the lockdown corp.
BB creates a vote to unlock BPO's. BB votes yes (20% for unlock) no one else votes (0% against)
The vote will then carry and BB can unlock the BPO's. In an ideal world it would take 3 yes votes to unlock BPO's, but if 2 are absent/gone it now takes 2, or if no one is around to check only 1 as no one will vote.
If I may only slightly derail the thread because I've never been in that position, the shareholders are then obligated to log in once every 24 hours in order to see if they have mail about a corp vote, right?
FAKE EDIT: Easier now, since you can click on the char on the char selection screen to see if they have a mail without having to log in.
So this depends on the shareholders remembering and sticking to this every day, correct?
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:08:00 -
[1255]
Originally by: Dretzle Omega If I may only slightly derail the thread because I've never been in that position, the shareholders are then obligated to log in once every 24 hours in order to see if they have mail about a corp vote, right?
FAKE EDIT: Easier now, since you can click on the char on the char selection screen to see if they have a mail without having to log in.
So this depends on the shareholders remembering and sticking to this every day, correct?
Yes. However I believe most of the shareholders transfered the shares to their mains so they didn't have to worry about it.
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Dretzle Omega
Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:14:00 -
[1256]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Dretzle Omega If I may only slightly derail the thread because I've never been in that position, the shareholders are then obligated to log in once every 24 hours in order to see if they have mail about a corp vote, right?
FAKE EDIT: Easier now, since you can click on the char on the char selection screen to see if they have a mail without having to log in.
So this depends on the shareholders remembering and sticking to this every day, correct?
Yes. However I believe most of the shareholders transfered the shares to their mains so they didn't have to worry about it.
Ah, didn't even think of that. How silly of me.
Originally by: Akita T BTW, if you see God when you're clutching for your chest due to sudden realization you have no chance to get out of this with your wallet intact tell him he still owes me money
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:30:00 -
[1257]
Subject to the various share trades altering the original numbers, it seems I'm the largest co-shareholder (equal with BB).
On that basis, if you wanted to restore two directors to replace those who are no longer as active, I note BB's invitation to Cosmoray and would add that I have a spare alt - if needed - for the remaining position.
Emmgel
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.08 08:53:00 -
[1258]
Quote:
Being somewhat noobish on corps, BPO lockdowns and shareholder votes, what could be done to reinstate the previous level of security?
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Two new directors could be hired to replace the old ones.
If BB wants, I can join in with an alt and help at the task.
I did not even invest in this, so I could be considered pretty much neutral to the whole affair.
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.08 09:57:00 -
[1259]
Originally by: cosmoray I got 1 spare ALT spot left. I can do it if you want.
The approach I suggest is to create an alt on a trial account, add that to the sekrit titan copying corp and then let the trial lapse. This way it does not use up one of your subscribed account slots. Should there be a need for you to sub that trial account in order to liquidate T4U then the costs would be covered as part of the liquidation.
The shares that you use to monitor unlock votes are a seperate issue and ideally should be held by a character that you log on to regularly.
Provision was made for 1% of profits to be paid to each Trustee in order to compensate them for their involvement. Some Trustees have waived this right, but the choice is yours.
Originally by: Emmgel I have a spare alt - if needed - for the remaining position.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I can join in with an alt and help at the task.
Thanks for the offers, we are only seeking to add one additional Trustee on the basis that Kazzac is MIA.
I've seen Shar in-game so I believe him to still be active, however I do not know if he currently has forum access. I will try to make contact with him and if I have no luck we can then make moves to replace him.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.08 15:45:00 -
[1260]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: cosmoray I got 1 spare ALT spot left. I can do it if you want.
The approach I suggest is to create an alt on a trial account, add that to the sekrit titan copying corp and then let the trial lapse. This way it does not use up one of your subscribed account slots. Should there be a need for you to sub that trial account in order to liquidate T4U then the costs would be covered as part of the liquidation.
The shares that you use to monitor unlock votes are a seperate issue and ideally should be held by a character that you log on to regularly.
Provision was made for 1% of profits to be paid to each Trustee in order to compensate them for their involvement. Some Trustees have waived this right, but the choice is yours.
Originally by: Emmgel I have a spare alt - if needed - for the remaining position.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha I can join in with an alt and help at the task.
Thanks for the offers, we are only seeking to add one additional Trustee on the basis that Kazzac is MIA.
I've seen Shar in-game so I believe him to still be active, however I do not know if he currently has forum access. I will try to make contact with him and if I have no luck we can then make moves to replace him.
I can set up a trial account, and hand shares to cosmoray who is on everyday. Be completed in next 2 days.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.08 15:51:00 -
[1261]
Originally by: cosmoray I can set up a trial account, and hand shares to cosmoray who is on everyday. Be completed in next 2 days.
Much appreciated cosmo!
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.01.08 15:52:00 -
[1262]
Originally by: cosmoray I can set up a trial account, and hand shares to cosmoray who is on everyday. Be completed in next 2 days.
Quote: Provision was made for 1% of profits to be paid to each Trustee in order to compensate them for their involvement. Some Trustees have waived this right, but the choice is yours.
From memory, three out of four trustees waived this right - on the basis that the work involved was minimal. What do you intend to do?
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.08 17:14:00 -
[1263]
I am not worried about the 1% pay. If liquidation occurs as long as I get the costs back for re-activation that is fine.
1% FEE WAIVED.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.01.09 05:05:00 -
[1264]
Originally by: Varo Jan Excellent news, his contributions have been missed. Then he won¦t mind posting here to confirm, will he?
Originally by: Bad Bobby It's quite possible that his contributions are the reason why he hasn't been able to post for a while.
Not even close actually. I got sick had high risk surgery and spent time recuperating. While I was recuperating I found that not posting here was better for me than it could ever be for everyone else so I've not bothered reading the MD besides certain exceptions. Since it will be asked, the exception(s) is: A few people I still keep in touch with do read the MD. If, in their opinion, something is posted that they think I should read. This is the first thing in months, truly, that I've seen that is worth posting on. Yes, I still have trustee shares. Yes, I still keep an eye out. Yes, I am still around. No, I wasn't banned. That's it, nothing to see here. PS: Like I've always said to the many trolls, leave me out of stuff and I'll be happy to never post again.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.09 07:29:00 -
[1265]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Varo Jan Excellent news, his contributions have been missed. Then he won¦t mind posting here to confirm, will he?
Originally by: Bad Bobby It's quite possible that his contributions are the reason why he hasn't been able to post for a while.
Not even close actually. I got sick had high risk surgery and spent time recuperating. While I was recuperating I found that not posting here was better for me than it could ever be for everyone else so I've not bothered reading the MD besides certain exceptions. Since it will be asked, the exception(s) is: A few people I still keep in touch with do read the MD. If, in their opinion, something is posted that they think I should read. This is the first thing in months, truly, that I've seen that is worth posting on. Yes, I still have trustee shares. Yes, I still keep an eye out. Yes, I am still around. No, I wasn't banned. That's it, nothing to see here. PS: Like I've always said to the many trolls, leave me out of stuff and I'll be happy to never post again.
Thanks Shar.
Sorry for assuming you had been banned again, I really just stuck my finger in the air and thought that was the most likely direction the wind was comming from. I'll raise a glass to your health, in the hope that you are better able to enjoy it away from MD aggro!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.13 06:58:00 -
[1266]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: cosmoray I can set up a trial account, and hand shares to cosmoray who is on everyday. Be completed in next 2 days.
Much appreciated cosmo!
Share creation complete. Is your trial account ready?
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.13 14:52:00 -
[1267]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: cosmoray I can set up a trial account, and hand shares to cosmoray who is on everyday. Be completed in next 2 days.
Much appreciated cosmo!
Share creation complete. Is your trial account ready?
Yeah, send an eve-mail to Cosmoray with details about where to apply
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:10:00 -
[1268]
Originally by: Bad Bobby On the assumption that Kazzac is MIA, I'm happy to install another trustee. Cosmo, are you available?
I'm still here and there. Get about 15 minutes of EVE time a day between work and family, but still logon almost daily to run a few orders and stick some crap in the cooker.
I haven't drop dead yet |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.14 21:13:00 -
[1269]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Bad Bobby On the assumption that Kazzac is MIA, I'm happy to install another trustee. Cosmo, are you available?
I'm still here and there. Get about 15 minutes of EVE time a day between work and family, but still logon almost daily to run a few orders and stick some crap in the cooker.
I haven't drop dead yet
POASTING FIRST AFTER EPIC POASTER!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.01.15 07:53:00 -
[1270]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Bad Bobby On the assumption that Kazzac is MIA, I'm happy to install another trustee. Cosmo, are you available?
I'm still here and there. Get about 15 minutes of EVE time a day between work and family, but still logon almost daily to run a few orders and stick some crap in the cooker.
I haven't drop dead yet
Yes, I caught Kazzac online yesterday and had a quick chat with him then asked him to make a post. I'm still happy to install cosmoray as an additional trustee since I've already created the shares, he's already created the trial alt and an extra trustee isn't something I have a problem with.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.17 00:58:00 -
[1271]
No its a good idea to get cosmo on board.
also WTB 100 T4U shares @ cost forgot i sold 100 to a mate as a favour, so im actually down 100 shares (100M ISK) Would be willing to buy more, contact me ingame for details! Trade will go through Bobby, unless I know you :D
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 05:19:00 -
[1272]
Hey Ji, EBANK has some, around 10k or so, that we can part with.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries Sex Drugs And Rock'N'Roll
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Posted - 2010.01.17 13:12:00 -
[1273]
Cool, well i trust you :P So we dont need bobby for this transfer would be a waste of time, let me see how liquid i am, i have a sector error on my HD atm, so im defragging, chkdsking and running diagnostics atm, but it has taken way longer than i thought (running at 20+ hours now) but i will try to start up eve and see what happens.
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snapshot1406
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.02.04 11:56:00 -
[1274]
are there any shares left? I would like to invest, if possible. 50?
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.02.04 12:03:00 -
[1275]
As one of your investors, and people locking down the BPO's, was currious if I could ask a favor.
I was trying to go through the thread and look at current payouts, when they happend and such, but seems a bit difficult with such a large thread. Is it possible you can take your 5th Post and add in, and continue to add in all Payout records, just as a quick snap shot of whats going on?
If this already exists and I just don't see it please excuse my ignorance and point me in correct direction.
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Veritech knight
Envoy Corps
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Posted - 2010.02.04 13:14:00 -
[1276]
<hijack>
if you guys are getting rid of a ragnarok bpo, w or w/o research, I'd be interested in buying one. evemail me thanks
o/
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.02.04 15:20:00 -
[1277]
Originally by: Veritech knight <hijack>
if you guys are getting rid of a ragnarok bpo, w or w/o research, I'd be interested in buying one. evemail me thanks
o/
lol
"Hi I see you are trying to run a business. I'd be happy to buy your factory, letmeknow kthxbai." -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.04 16:43:00 -
[1278]
I see some people are still interested in shares and I need to sell mine. I have 1000 shares that I'd like to sell. Anyone interested please contact me.
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Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.02.04 23:30:00 -
[1279]
I'd love to buy shares at slightly below cost (90% or so). ---------------------------------
Ship Purchase Program
Killmail Service discontinued by request. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.04 23:33:00 -
[1280]
Originally by: Proton Power I was trying to go through the thread and look at current payouts, when they happend and such,
No payouts have happened as of yet. Check back soonÖ
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.02.05 00:21:00 -
[1281]
Hello, I am interested in investing as well. Looking to purchase 100 shares @ cost. Catch me in game.
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Etara Silverblade
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.05 18:42:00 -
[1282]
I still have 600 Shares left to sell. I won't take less then original value since the invested isk is secure enough but I just need to liquidate for a personal venture. |
TranceControl
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Posted - 2010.02.08 07:04:00 -
[1283]
I'll take 50 shares. :) let me know how to hock up and make the trade :)
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Veritech knight
Envoy Corps
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:52:00 -
[1284]
I have a leviathan BPO ME1 selling for npc price in case you guys need another one
</spam>
o/
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.02.12 20:33:00 -
[1285]
Edited by: Terrare Vordai on 12/02/2010 20:33:23 Looking to liquidate 300 shares, convo me. 1M/share min.
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xythyl
Gallente Scientia Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.13 03:08:00 -
[1286]
Reserve me 100 shares please.
Let me know how to settle payment, etc.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:51:00 -
[1287]
I have not been able to watch this thread, so would like to have a quick re-cap of whats going on.
How much in Divies Paid (If Any) What is current plant, when will holders see dividends Why are so many people selling off these shares (Assume because no divies)
Just a quick recap would be great, I am sure other investors have not followed this 40+ page thread and would like an idea of whats going on as well. |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.02.13 12:05:00 -
[1288]
Sure thing PP. Will post an update later and will put something in the first posts too. (Pew-pewing atm)
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Randomina Randomona
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Posted - 2010.02.13 13:00:00 -
[1289]
Selling 800 shares at 1 mill a share. send money to this char if interested and shares will be sent to you within the hour.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.02.13 16:21:00 -
[1290]
Originally by: Proton Power I have not been able to watch this thread, so would like to have a quick re-cap of whats going on.
How much in Divies Paid (If Any) What is current plant, when will holders see dividends Why are so many people selling off these shares (Assume because no divies)
Just a quick recap would be great, I am sure other investors have not followed this 40+ page thread and would like an idea of whats going on as well.
No dividends have been paid.
We have produced 1 ME 0 Leviathan BPC so far. This has not been sold due to the state of the market at the moment. I can push for a sale at a low price and pay out a small return or we can hang on for improvement. My feeling is that prices of ME0 BPCs are always going to be poor so we may as well shift it now.
Our war chest still has plenty to cover POS fuel for a long time, so the operation itself is not at risk from starvation.
We have around 50 days before the Leviathan BPO reaches ME 1. We have around 60 days before the Erebus ME 1 BPC pops out. We have around 90 days before the Avatar ME 1 BPC pops out. Timings here are deliberately imprecise, for reasons of operational secrecy.
If we are looking towards a long term recovery on the Titan BPC market then we're perfectly well positioned to take advantage of it, should it occur. Even if prices remain subdued we can produce a low return selling BPCs even at current prices.
If we are looking to pull out of the operation then I would advocate doing so in stages as each BPO comes out of research so that we do not lose any of the results of the time spent.
My verdict is to sit and wait for 50 days and review the situation then. Selling the Leviathan BPC during that time if possible.
Obviously shares are being traded heavily due to the lack of dividends and the state of the market. My own isk is being channeled heavily into Ugly Toys, which is doing very well. Once I've stopped expansion there, returns on that start rolling in and I clear a few of the less beneficial debts I will start buying up Titans For You shares myself at face value. Even if we close down the operation I am inclined to secure enough shares so that I can purchase the Avatar BPO for myself, if only so I can have my own steady supply of Cosmic Death Mushrooms to expend in psychadelic PvP lightshows.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.02.13 17:03:00 -
[1291]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power I have not been able to watch this thread, so would like to have a quick re-cap of whats going on.
How much in Divies Paid (If Any) What is current plant, when will holders see dividends Why are so many people selling off these shares (Assume because no divies)
Just a quick recap would be great, I am sure other investors have not followed this 40+ page thread and would like an idea of whats going on as well.
No dividends have been paid.
We have produced 1 ME 0 Leviathan BPC so far. This has not been sold due to the state of the market at the moment. I can push for a sale at a low price and pay out a small return or we can hang on for improvement. My feeling is that prices of ME0 BPCs are always going to be poor so we may as well shift it now.
Our war chest still has plenty to cover POS fuel for a long time, so the operation itself is not at risk from starvation.
We have around 50 days before the Leviathan BPO reaches ME 1. We have around 60 days before the Erebus ME 1 BPC pops out. We have around 90 days before the Avatar ME 1 BPC pops out. Timings here are deliberately imprecise, for reasons of operational secrecy.
If we are looking towards a long term recovery on the Titan BPC market then we're perfectly well positioned to take advantage of it, should it occur. Even if prices remain subdued we can produce a low return selling BPCs even at current prices.
If we are looking to pull out of the operation then I would advocate doing so in stages as each BPO comes out of research so that we do not lose any of the results of the time spent.
My verdict is to sit and wait for 50 days and review the situation then. Selling the Leviathan BPC during that time if possible.
Obviously shares are being traded heavily due to the lack of dividends and the state of the market. My own isk is being channeled heavily into Ugly Toys, which is doing very well. Once I've stopped expansion there, returns on that start rolling in and I clear a few of the less beneficial debts I will start buying up Titans For You shares myself at face value. Even if we close down the operation I am inclined to secure enough shares so that I can purchase the Avatar BPO for myself, if only so I can have my own steady supply of Cosmic Death Mushrooms to expend in psychadelic PvP lightshows.
Looks good, don't really have thoughts or concerns on the actual dealings, just more want to see somthing so I know whats going on.
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 06:10:00 -
[1292]
Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 15/02/2010 06:13:41
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Edited by: Terrare Vordai on 12/02/2010 20:33:23 Looking to liquidate 300 shares, convo me. 1M/share min.
Originally by: Randomina Randomona Selling 800 shares at 1 mill a share. send money to this char if interested and shares will be sent to you within the hour.
If both of you get Bad Bobby to act as 3rd party then I will buy all shares from you at that price.
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xythyl
Gallente Scientia Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.15 06:50:00 -
[1293]
Still looking to buy shares, please message me in game.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.02.15 07:39:00 -
[1294]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Etara Silverblade I still have 600 Shares left to sell. I won't take less then original value since the invested isk is secure enough but I just need to liquidate for a personal venture.
Originally by: Terrare Vordai Looking to liquidate 300 shares, convo me. 1M/share min.
Originally by: Randomina Randomona Selling 800 shares at 1 mill a share. send money to this char if interested and shares will be sent to you within the hour.
If all of you get Bad Bobby to act as 3rd party then I will buy all shares from you at that price.
Always happy to do this. Please contact me and await confirmation before sending me any shares however, so that I can keep track of them.
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Skyvyr
Caldari House Of BlackStar Emergence.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 14:04:00 -
[1295]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I can purchase the Avatar BPO for myself, if only so I can have my own steady supply of Cosmic Death Mushrooms to expend in psychadelic PvP lightshows.
I approve of this plan, not necessarily the buying of all your stock atm, but the production of cosmic death mushrooms to release the mouth lasers. -- I often heard the Sky's the limit, sadly I'm broke fairly often. |
Rick Sheridan
Gallente Highland Corp.
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Posted - 2010.03.03 19:41:00 -
[1296]
If anyone is looking to sell shares please send me a message in game. I do not have much to spare but i am looking for a hand full of shares. willing to pay 1 mil per share.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.03.04 11:13:00 -
[1297]
Originally by: Skyvyr
Originally by: Bad Bobby I can purchase the Avatar BPO for myself, if only so I can have my own steady supply of Cosmic Death Mushrooms to expend in psychadelic PvP lightshows.
I approve of this plan, not necessarily the buying of all your stock atm, but the production of cosmic death mushrooms to release the mouth lasers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJpAZ2wThhQ
Just sayin'
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Fleshbot
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Posted - 2010.03.05 00:44:00 -
[1298]
I'm buying back shares at 800k.
Let me know if you have any you'd like to sell.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:48:00 -
[1299]
\o/ Divs paid
15113.256203265 ISK per share or 1.511% ROI
Not bad I guess for a ME 0 BPC
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:50:00 -
[1300]
Confirm dividends received :)
Kithran
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:50:00 -
[1301]
We have just sold a ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5000m.
500m has been retained to cover costs. 315m has been distributed to staff and trustees. 4185m has been distributed to shareholders.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:54:00 -
[1302]
Originally by: Titans 4U 315m has been distributed to staff and trustees.
Unless I'm missing something, didn't most, if not all, of the trustees agree not to take a salary?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:57:00 -
[1303]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U 315m has been distributed to staff and trustees.
Unless I'm missing something, didn't most, if not all, of the trustees agree not to take a salary?
270m (6% of 4500m) went to me. 45m (1% of 4500m) went to the one trustee that is taking a fee.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.22 19:59:00 -
[1304]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Titans 4U 315m has been distributed to staff and trustees.
Unless I'm missing something, didn't most, if not all, of the trustees agree not to take a salary?
270m (6% of 4500m) went to me. 45m (1% of 4500m) went to the one trustee that is taking a fee.
Excellent news. Keep up the good work!
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:10:00 -
[1305]
Thank you :)
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:29:00 -
[1306]
Dividends received. Thanks :)
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:39:00 -
[1307]
Dividends recieved. Thanks
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2010.03.22 20:59:00 -
[1308]
Dividends Received, Thanks
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:05:00 -
[1309]
Originally by: Titans 4U We have just sold a ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5000m.
500m has been retained to cover costs.
Quote: Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:48:00 -
[1310]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U We have just sold a ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5000m.
500m has been retained to cover costs.
Quote: Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
Would you enjoy running one stop without making a single ISK for youself or the business??
Didn't think so
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.03.22 22:41:00 -
[1311]
Dividends received, TY
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.22 23:02:00 -
[1312]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U We have just sold a ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5000m.
500m has been retained to cover costs.
Quote: Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
Would you enjoy running one stop without making a single ISK for youself or the business??
Didn't think so
Did you read the post properly? Didn't think so.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.22 23:23:00 -
[1313]
Originally by: Varo Jan Did you read the post properly? Didn't think so.
Did you not read the 2nd post of this thread where he said he would retain a percentage for operations?
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.23 01:03:00 -
[1314]
received iskies, cheers
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.23 01:09:00 -
[1315]
Edited by: Estel Arador on 23/03/2010 01:09:23 Breaker77, Varo Jan is asking about the 500M in costs which has been deducted before dividends were paid, not about the management fee. Instead of posting an (apparantly) knee-jerk and defensive answer to a question which wasn't asked, you're probably better off letting the manager answer the question. I'm sure he can provide a satisfactory answer (I think even I could, but I don't think it's my place).
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.23 07:35:00 -
[1316]
Originally by: Varo Jan So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
Are you really suggesting that I should inflate the dividend by ignoring operational costs?
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PMolkenthin
NibbleTek The Darwin Award Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.23 09:10:00 -
[1317]
Any shares available? ---
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.23 10:47:00 -
[1318]
sure, i have around 20K shares, im willing to sell them for 1.5M each :)
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.03.23 11:10:00 -
[1319]
Edited by: RAW23 on 23/03/2010 11:13:33 Edited by: RAW23 on 23/03/2010 11:12:12 Re: Varo's question, it wouldn't really be a case of ignoring operational costs would it? As you have said, these are already covered for years in advance. It would be more of a saving based on moving to a more efficient model for paying operational costs and keeping a smaller pool of cash idle, thus returning some of the unused initial investment to investors via the dividend mechanism, as opposed to inflating profit based dividends. I guess the question is, are there any real benefits to setting aside money now to pay for operating costs in 2012/2013 when that money will incur significant lost opportunity (more than 100%, assuming it could be earning 4% per month over 2 years) costs in the meantime?
Alternatively, could this money be invested elsewhere in the meantime, rather than being paid out to investors?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.23 12:41:00 -
[1320]
I accept that there is an oppertunity cost involved with keeping a liquid fund to cover contingencies. However, I believe that it is a necessary one. We are talking about 1.3% of NAV kept liquid to provide a buffer against planned and unplanned costs. Even if I were to scale it back to half it's current level, all that would achieve is a fraction of a percent returned to investors in exchange for the reduced security of the remainder of their investment. I don't see that as a wise move.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.23 12:59:00 -
[1321]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
Are you really suggesting that I should inflate the dividend by ignoring operational costs?
Quote: Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
Assuming you were truthful in that last quote, what has changed? On the one hand you claimed you had enough in the kitty to keep going for years. Now you suddenly need 500m. Granted it is not a huge sum, but then you are unlikely to be paying your shareholders much at all in the foreseeable future.
5B for one Titan copy every nine months is a far cry from your original projection. What is your new projection? What percentage annual dividend do you believe you will be able to pay investors?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.23 13:10:00 -
[1322]
as an investor i dont see a problem with bobby retaining aroudn 1% of the NAV in liquid ISK, incase of unforseen events, as wars, fuel cost increase, etc.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.23 14:17:00 -
[1323]
Varo, you know full well that costs have to be taken into consideration when calculating profits. You know that POSes need fuel and offices need rent. So, are you trolling me or what?
Originally by: Varo Jan What percentage annual dividend do you believe you will be able to pay investors?
Based on 9 BPCs per year at 5b per BPC, yielding 45b in revenue, deducting about 2b in costs for 43b in profits, 40b in annual dividends which is 19.6%. Averaged out that would be 1.6% per month. I'm hoping for more than 5b per BPC, but it depends on how the Titan BPC market behaves.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.03.23 14:24:00 -
[1324]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Varo Jan So why retain 500m? Annualised returns are paltry as it is.
Are you really suggesting that I should inflate the dividend by ignoring operational costs?
Quote: Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years.
Assuming you were truthful in that last quote, what has changed? On the one hand you claimed you had enough in the kitty to keep going for years. Now you suddenly need 500m. Granted it is not a huge sum, but then you are unlikely to be paying your shareholders much at all in the foreseeable future.
5B for one Titan copy every nine months is a far cry from your original projection. What is your new projection? What percentage annual dividend do you believe you will be able to pay investors?
3.5 billion from POS fuel _and_ war chest. Say POS fuel costs are 100 mil a month thats 3 years. But a war dec could wipe out a reasonable chunk of that.
As for one titan copy every nine months the original plan was always produce an me 0 bpc from one bpo whilst research the other two to me 1. The first me 1 bpc is due out next month and a second in May iirc. Once things get up to speed there should be 12 bpcs produced a year although that will not be happening until the first bpo has also been researched to me 1.
Given that all future bpcs should be coming out at me 1 I'd expect they should go for more than 5 bil each and the upkeep costs will be roughly 100 mil from each sale.
This was always meant to be a long term project.
Kithran
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.23 17:27:00 -
[1325]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Varo, you know full well that costs have to be taken into consideration when calculating profits. You know that POSes need fuel and offices need rent. So, are you trolling me or what?
Good grief. Ask a simple question and you get uppity. For the third time, you are the one who said not long ago, "Titans For You is plenty liquid with about 3.5 billion in isk from our POS fuel budget and our war chest. Our only costs are POS fuel and office rental. So we don't need to sell any BPCs to keep things going for years." So what swallowed up 3.5B in a few months? Certainly not 10k a month in office fees, nor fuels for a large POS with 2 advanced labs max. Are you making any money from the unused capacity at the POS? May be a good idea if returns are a max of 1% for the foreseeable future.
Quote: Based on 9 BPCs per year at 5b per BPC, yielding 45b in revenue, deducting about 2b in costs for 43b in profits, 40b in annual dividends which is 19.6%. Averaged out that would be 1.6% per month. I'm hoping for more than 5b per BPC, but it depends on how the Titan BPC market behaves.
Given how long it took you to sell one BPC, you are being extremely optimistic. 2 BPCs in the next twelve months seems more likely, meaning a monthly equivalent return of 0.25%, based on your numbers. Optimistic or pessimistic, the shares are not worth face value. That said, I suspect they'll continue to trade at more than they're worth because people are investing emotionally.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.23 17:53:00 -
[1326]
Some costs are going to be required.
Remember that the initial costs were based on a Titan BPC selling for 10B ISK. In that scenario 10% or 1B ISK would be taken for costs. Now that the BPC is selling for 5B ISK the 1B for costs still needs to be deducted, though this does have the effect of making costs total 20% of revenue on sales.
It would be too dangerous to remove all liquid capital from the business. What happened if an opportunistic/unlucky wardec hit and the POS was put into reinforced which could have effect of cancelling the copying jobs.
In this type of operation there is always a need for emergency capital.
Now you are within your right to talk about returns (all investors/potential investors may), but the costs have to be paid. Fact is the Titan BPC market has changed significantly since the last patch.
Varo, One Stop has a fixed bond schedule and you have to pay 7.5B a month in interest no mattter what. How would you deal with your POS'es in reinforced or destroyed, you can run out of money real fast.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.23 19:45:00 -
[1327]
Originally by: Varo Jan So what swallowed up 3.5B in a few months?
Nothing has. It's a war chest.
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2010.03.23 23:42:00 -
[1328]
Originally by: Varo Jan Given how long it took you to sell one BPC, you are being extremely optimistic.
It seems to me that the length of time for the first sale was affected by BPO research and selling an unresearched BPC in a poor market.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.25 00:39:00 -
[1329]
Originally by: cosmoray Some costs are going to be required.
Remember that the initial costs were based on a Titan BPC selling for 10B ISK. In that scenario 10% or 1B ISK would be taken for costs. Now that the BPC is selling for 5B ISK the 1B for costs still needs to be deducted, though this does have the effect of making costs total 20% of revenue on sales.
No, it does not. Costs were set at 6% of sales for BB and 1% for the sole Trustee who insisted on being paid for his onerous responsibilities. Whether the BPCs sell for 5B or 20B is immaterial.
Quote: It would be too dangerous to remove all liquid capital from the business. What happened if an opportunistic/unlucky wardec hit and the POS was put into reinforced which could have effect of cancelling the copying jobs.
In this type of operation there is always a need for emergency capital.
Who's talking about removing all liquid capital? BB claimed that the 3.5B was sufficient for years of operating and for a war chest. It just strikes me as odd that he suddenly changes his mind and adds the minor sum of 500m to his "war chest" (nice, emotive words) instead of paying his investors. He of all people has both the expertise and the resources to call on in the event of a war - and to ensure that war costs are minimised.
Btw, copy jobs are not cancelled if the lab is temporarily offlined.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.25 02:29:00 -
[1330]
What if 6% of sales no longer covers costs? How do costs get handled?
Costs of running the business has to come from revenue. This was launched as an IPO (in the MD terminology) not a bond, so the payout is dependant on profit.
If investors are unhappy with dividends, they can sell their shares or push for a liquidation.
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Riethe
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Posted - 2010.03.25 05:01:00 -
[1331]
The important thing to remember here is that Bad Bobby is a pretty rad dude.
I think he's got this one under control.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.03.25 06:20:00 -
[1332]
yo ho
this was always a long time investment. i got no prob with this sofar. if it takes 3-4 year to break even it will still be a great investment.
Jadun
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 07:51:00 -
[1333]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: cosmoray Some costs are going to be required.
Remember that the initial costs were based on a Titan BPC selling for 10B ISK. In that scenario 10% or 1B ISK would be taken for costs. Now that the BPC is selling for 5B ISK the 1B for costs still needs to be deducted, though this does have the effect of making costs total 20% of revenue on sales.
No, it does not. Costs were set at 6% of sales for BB and 1% for the sole Trustee who insisted on being paid for his onerous responsibilities. Whether the BPCs sell for 5B or 20B is immaterial.
This is not true (neither Cosmo or Varo). Costs were not set at 6% of sales (or 10% as per Cosmo's suggestion), my cut was set at 6% of profits, the trustees cut was set at 4% and reduced to 1% of profits, the remaining 93% of profits go to investors.
Originally by: "The second post in this thread" Profits will be divided such that I will receive 6%, the trustees have been allocated a total of 4% and the shareholders will receive 90%. So far 3 of the 4 trustees have waived their right to claim their payment and their share will go to the shareholders instead.
Notice the key word "profits" there?
Profits are calculated by deductinng costs from revenue.
This is why I think you are trolling me Varo, because you know all this and you know this is how it has to be done and yet you are raising an objection to it anyway. How come you are able to bring up quotes from five months ago to support your argument but you are aren't capable of reading the IPO document?
Originally by: "Varo Jan"
Quote: It would be too dangerous to remove all liquid capital from the business. What happened if an opportunistic/unlucky wardec hit and the POS was put into reinforced which could have effect of cancelling the copying jobs.
In this type of operation there is always a need for emergency capital.
Who's talking about removing all liquid capital? BB claimed that the 3.5B was sufficient for years of operating and for a war chest. It just strikes me as odd that he suddenly changes his mind and adds the minor sum of 500m to his "war chest" (nice, emotive words) instead of paying his investors.
I don't think it was you that was suggesting this, I think this was RAW's interpretation of your question that suggested this, it's also the logical end point of your suggestion that we should use cash reserves to cover costs. The war chest is there as a temporary buffer and what comes out of it has to go back in. It was 5 months ago that I stated we had about 3.5b and it has been 8+ months since we started this operation, the war chest has paid for most of the costs incurred and it has to be topped up.
Personally I think this is a silly argument caused by the fact that none of you have actually read and understood all the material in the two threads for this IPO. I can't blame you for that, because there is a lot of material there, but when it leads to you quoting non-existent IPO terms at me then you've gone well off-piste.
Originally by: "Varo Jan" He of all people has both the expertise and the resources to call on in the event of a war - and to ensure that war costs are minimised.
I may be able to minimise costs but I can't eliminate them completely. Defending the POS could cost isk, replacing lost infrastructure could cost isk and all manner of unforseen costs could occur.
Which brings us to the case that I get hit by a bus and the trustees have to organise the operation, protect it and shut it down in stages. They will need isk to cover GTCs, they will need isk to cover defence, they will need isk to cover costs. In this situation it doesn't matter how much force I could have brought down on attackers because I would not be there to do it.
There are many theoretical situations where the war chest could be essential and that is why we have it. That is also why I do not want to see it emptied by operational costs.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.25 08:40:00 -
[1334]
Originally by: Bad Bobby This is why I think you are trolling me Varo, because you know all this and you know this is how it has to be done and yet you are raising an objection to it anyway. How come you are able to bring up quotes from five months ago to support your argument but you are aren't capable of reading the IPO document?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 11:49:00 -
[1335]
Last month, I wrote this in response to PP's request for an update:
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power I have not been able to watch this thread, so would like to have a quick re-cap of whats going on.
How much in Divies Paid (If Any) What is current plant, when will holders see dividends Why are so many people selling off these shares (Assume because no divies)
Just a quick recap would be great, I am sure other investors have not followed this 40+ page thread and would like an idea of whats going on as well.
No dividends have been paid.
We have produced 1 ME 0 Leviathan BPC so far. This has not been sold due to the state of the market at the moment. I can push for a sale at a low price and pay out a small return or we can hang on for improvement. My feeling is that prices of ME0 BPCs are always going to be poor so we may as well shift it now.
Our war chest still has plenty to cover POS fuel for a long time, so the operation itself is not at risk from starvation.
We have around 50 days before the Leviathan BPO reaches ME 1. We have around 60 days before the Erebus ME 1 BPC pops out. We have around 90 days before the Avatar ME 1 BPC pops out. Timings here are deliberately imprecise, for reasons of operational secrecy.
If we are looking towards a long term recovery on the Titan BPC market then we're perfectly well positioned to take advantage of it, should it occur. Even if prices remain subdued we can produce a low return selling BPCs even at current prices.
If we are looking to pull out of the operation then I would advocate doing so in stages as each BPO comes out of research so that we do not lose any of the results of the time spent.
My verdict is to sit and wait for 50 days and review the situation then. Selling the Leviathan BPC during that time if possible.
The time has come to review the situation and decide what to do next.
Originally by: cosmoray If investors are unhappy with dividends, they can sell their shares or push for a liquidation.
Selling shares is an option that is open to everyone and I will continue to provide free third party services on any trades if asked.
The option of liquidation needs to be discussed properly and we need to decide if our current choice is to continue or liquidate, if we choose to continue we need to choose a point at which we will look at this question again.
So, I will post another update on the current situation. Then we can discuss the two alternatives so that everyone is informed and opinions are shared. Then we can move to a decision on what to do next.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 12:03:00 -
[1336]
Sales
So far we have sold our one and only BPC. Which was a ME0 Leviathan BPC. This was not sold when it was first produced because demand had contracted due to the Titan rebalance and it was very difficult to get a sale. I decided that instead of pushing hard for a sale at that time I would allow the dust to settle and hope that things would improve in the short term. Having reviewed the situation more recently, I decided to go forward with a sale at 5 billion isk. I then distributed our first dividend.
War Chest
Our war chest, having covered most of our operational costs for the last 8-9 months was topped up with 500m taken from our first sale. Our cash reserves are at a level I am happy with.
BPOs
Our Leviathan BPO reaches ME1 in the next week. Our Erebus BPO is at ME1 and will produce it's first BPC in under 30 days. Our Avatar BPO is at ME1 and will produce it's first BPC in under 60 days.
Timings are deliberately imprecise.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.25 12:38:00 -
[1337]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: cosmoray If investors are unhappy with dividends, they can sell their shares or push for a liquidation.
The option of liquidation needs to be discussed properly and we need to decide if our current choice is to continue or liquidate, if we choose to continue we need to choose a point at which we will look at this question again.
Another issue with deciding to liquidate sometime in the future is that selling a titan BPO, even researched, would probably not cover the costs involved so far, and perhaps not even the BPOs themselves.
As stated when this was still in the initial discussion, this is a long term investment. For people wanting to jump in and get rich overnight, this is not for them.
Also the first BPC was a leviathian at ME 0 no less
I have a feeling the Erebus and Avatar will go rather quickly at a decent price once they finish being copied, but I could be wrong.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 12:45:00 -
[1338]
The decision
Our Leviathan BPO comes out of ME research in the next week. We need to decide before then wether we are going to continue operations and put it back into copying, or move to liquidation and sell the BPO.
The option to continue
If we choose to continue, the Leviathan BPO goes in to copying alongside the Erebus and Avatar BPOs. All three are at ME1 and we are therefore capable of producing 3 ME1 BPCs every four months. Based on that production schedule we can project our profit levels for each four month period.
Obviously profits depend on how much we can sell the BPCs for. We just sold an ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5 billion. Recent forum auctions of ME0 Leviathan BPCs have acheived the same result. Contracts for ME0 Leviathan BPCs at 6 billion have had difficulty finding buyers and there are competing contracts for ME1 Leviathan BPCs going at 6-7 billion. It is reasonable to project a sale price of 5-7 billion per BPC, but it depends a great deal on how the Titan market goes and opinions on this will vary widely. It is possible that the market could improve or deteriorate further in the comming months.
So assuming we get the bottom end of my prediction, at 5b per BPC, we are looking at 15b every 4 months in revenue. Costs vary depending on fuel prices and the effectiveness of any efforts I may take to generate additional profits to mitigate operational costs. I'd go for a cost base of 500m per 4 months right now but that could be higher or lower.
Therefore we are looking at 14500m per 4 months in profits. 93% of this goes to dividends, which is 13485m. Divided between 204,000 shares that gives us about 66,000 isk per share per 4 month period, averaged over those 4 months that gives us a little over 16,500 isk per share per month (1.65% monthly ROI).
Obviously anyone unhappy with the return will be able to sell their shares on.
The option to liquidate
If we choose to liquidate, the Leviathan BPO is put up for sale. As each BPO finishes it's copying the BPO and BPC produced is put up for sale. Profits from BPC sales will be distributed as per the IPO agreement with 93% of profits going to investors. Proceeds from BPO sales will be distributed 100% to investors (with no share for me other than that which I am entitled to as a shareholder). Once the last BPO comes out of the labs the POS will be dismantled and sold, proceeds will be distributed 100% to investors.
There is plenty of room for debate on this liquidation approach. We can choose to keep the POS going and keep the BPOs in the labs until we find a buyer, this might complicate matters and reduce the potential audience for our BPOs but it could also generate additional returns. We would also need to discuss the unlocking procedure and other matters of process and security.
Prices for BPC sales can be expected to be as with the option to continue. However this leaves the question of how much we can get for the sale of each ME1 Titan BPO. If we cannot get NPC price, then investors will lose money, if we can get NPC price or better then investors will make money.
So what do we do?
Discuss away, lets have your opinions here. If there is any doubt about the majority opinion on this then I can arrange a shareholder vote to determine our course of action.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 12:52:00 -
[1339]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: cosmoray If investors are unhappy with dividends, they can sell their shares or push for a liquidation.
The option of liquidation needs to be discussed properly and we need to decide if our current choice is to continue or liquidate, if we choose to continue we need to choose a point at which we will look at this question again.
Another issue with deciding to liquidate sometime in the future is that selling a titan BPO, even researched, would probably not cover the costs involved so far, and perhaps not even the BPOs themselves.
As stated when this was still in the initial discussion, this is a long term investment. For people wanting to jump in and get rich overnight, this is not for them.
Also the first BPC was a leviathian at ME 0 no less
I have a feeling the Erebus and Avatar will go rather quickly at a decent price once they finish being copied, but I could be wrong.
I agree with you.
I don't see liquidation as being the correct choice and I don't see this as the right time for it. I think we have got through the slow period of setup while all the BPOs get to ME1 and we're now at the point where our investment pays us back.
If it goes to a vote you can assume that my 21000 votes will be cast for "continue!".
For those that decide this is not the right investment for them, the best option is to sell their shares on to others.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.25 13:09:00 -
[1340]
As a shareholder (with 3 shares) I fully support the continuation of the project. So far the business has been in a startup phase, and it will only reach it's full potential with all the BPOs at ME1. It's difficult to predict what the BPC market will do, but considering the timescales involved I believe it's best to give the business at least a full year of operation before (re-)considering liquidation.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.25 13:37:00 -
[1341]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: "The second post in this thread" Profits will be divided such that I will receive 6%, the trustees have been allocated a total of 4% and the shareholders will receive 90%. So far 3 of the 4 trustees have waived their right to claim their payment and their share will go to the shareholders instead.
Notice the key word "profits" there?
Profits are calculated by deductinng costs from revenue.
This is why I think you are trolling me Varo, because you know all this and you know this is how it has to be done and yet you are raising an objection to it anyway. How come you are able to bring up quotes from five months ago to support your argument but you are aren't capable of reading the IPO document?
Personally I think this is a silly argument caused by the fact that none of you have actually read and understood all the material in the two threads for this IPO. I can't blame you for that, because there is a lot of material there, but when it leads to you quoting non-existent IPO terms at me then you've gone well off-piste.
My apologies, Bobby. I did misread the original post, and shouldn't have.
A simplistic Profit and Loss statement from inception would be something like this:
Sales 5000 Costs (6m?)900 Profit 4100
6.00% 246 1.00% 41
Net Profit available for distribution to shareholders:3813
So, if anything, the 500m you retained is probably less than actual costs of some 900m since inception, and the profit has been overstated.
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Entaran
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.03.25 13:42:00 -
[1342]
Bad Bobby has asked me to confirm via post to this thread the following:
Contract sealed for the supply of 1x ME1 Leviathan BPC, 1x ME1 Avatar BPC to be delivered on exit dates from respective laboratories in undisclosed highsecurity location. Price agreed to is 14b for both BPC's, 10% deposit to be paid to the corporation involved, 5.6b further on delivery of Avatar BPC (Due first) and a further 7b on delivery of the Leviathan BPC (Due second).
Further information regarding availability and spread of BPC's coming out over the next 12 months has been formally requested.
Bad Bobby is to reply to this post to confirm this arrangement.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 13:45:00 -
[1343]
Originally by: Entaran Bad Bobby has asked me to confirm via post to this thread the following:
Contract sealed for the supply of 1x ME1 Leviathan BPC, 1x ME1 Avatar BPC to be delivered on exit dates from respective laboratories in undisclosed highsecurity location. Price agreed to is 14b for both BPC's, 10% deposit to be paid to the corporation involved, 5.6b further on delivery of Avatar BPC (Due first) and a further 7b on delivery of the Leviathan BPC (Due second).
Further information regarding availability and spread of BPC's coming out over the next 12 months has been formally requested.
Bad Bobby is to reply to this post to confirm this arrangement.
Confirmed.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:05:00 -
[1344]
ofcourse we continue :) liquidation is not an option imHo :)
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:10:00 -
[1345]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 25/03/2010 14:10:51
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Quote: Bad Bobby is to reply to this post to confirm this arrangement.
Confirmed.
Great work Bobby!!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:28:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: Varo Jan My apologies, Bobby. I did misread the original post, and shouldn't have.
No problem Varo. It's not the first time that you and I have had difficulty communicating and it probably won't be the last!
Originally by: Varo Jan A simplistic Profit and Loss statement from inception would be something like this:
Sales 5000 Costs (6m?)900 Profit 4100
6.00% 246 1.00% 41
Net Profit available for distribution to shareholders:3813
Yes, I was tired and somewhat drunk when I made the sale, so I only made a brief post to cover it...
Originally by: Titans 4U We have just sold a ME0 Leviathan BPC for 5000m.
500m has been retained to cover costs. 315m has been distributed to staff and trustees. 4185m has been distributed to shareholders.
...followed by the explanation of the staff and trustees share...
Originally by: Titans 4U 270m (6% of 4500m) went to me. 45m (1% of 4500m) went to the one trustee that is taking a fee.
I thought that covered it, but I probably should have followed up with something more clear and complete.
As you can see, all the numbers are there but the clear differentiation between the revenue/cost calculation and the profit share was not. Numbers are not my strong point so I do have difficulty presenting them clearly, since I don't understand them like others do, so I normally spend a lot of time making simple posts with numerical content... posts like that one made during the middle of a drunken PvP op clearly lacked that time investment!
Originally by: Varo Jan So, if anything, the 500m you retained is probably less than actual costs of some 900m since inception, and the profit has been overstated.
The profit hasn't been overstated, but the revenue and costs have been understated. As you observed there is an element of "unused capacity" present in a large research POS manned by a highly skilled research alt that allows me to mitigate the operational costs somewhat. Obviously that mitigation is limited by the amount of cash the operation has to spend on any sideline and the amount of time I can afford to spend on something that generates a very small profit for me as an individual, therefore I haven't managed to eliminate operational costs entirely. Also, I didn't start that mitigation until recently.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:33:00 -
[1347]
As a disinterested outsider, the current poor market for BPCs is relatively the same market for the BPOs. Deciding to liquidate now would result in a huge capital loss. However, it might be wise to come up with a price at which you would liquidate a researched BPO, should the opportunity arise and the BPC market forecasts remain gloomy.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 14:55:00 -
[1348]
So with recent sales agreements in place:
Our Leviathan BPO reaches ME1 in the next week. Next BPC in around 120 days. [Pre-ordered for 7b] Our Erebus BPO is at ME1 and will produce it's first BPC in under 30 days. Our Avatar BPO is at ME1 and will produce it's first BPC in under 60 days. [Pre-ordered for 7b]
I'm looking for a buyer for the Erebus BPC to complete the sales for our next 4 months of production. Assuming that comes in at 7b, our projected revenue for the next 4 months would be 21b, our profit would be 20.5b, our dividend pool would be 19b, our dividend per share would be 93,455, our averaged monthly dividend would be 23,363 and that would give us an averaged monthly ROI of 2.33%.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.03.25 15:15:00 -
[1349]
Sales thread updated:
Products For Sale
1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been sold.
2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due APRIL 2010 and is available for pre-order.
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due MAY 2010 and has been sold by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been sold by pre-order.
Keep on bumping!
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:04:00 -
[1350]
Originally by: Titans 4U Sales thread updated:
Linky for sales thread
As Bobby would say, bump it or buy it
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:07:00 -
[1351]
Hmmm. There was meant to be a linky in my post. It appears that I fail at internets.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:14:00 -
[1352]
FYI we are not allowed to bump threads, and recomending this would be a violation of the terms that all eve players must agree on when the purchase an account.!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:20:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: Ji Sama FYI we are not allowed to bump threads, and recomending this would be a violation of the terms that all eve players must agree on when the purchase an account.!
I thought a once daily bump was permitted in the sales threads... or at least that appears to be the standard.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:22:00 -
[1354]
Originally by: Ji Sama FYI we are not allowed to bump threads, and recomending this would be a violation of the terms that all eve players must agree on when the purchase an account.!
While technically only the character that started the thread is allowed to bump it in the sell forum, here are some prime examples of anyone doing it
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882525&page=13
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710&page=43
Even though those are services and not ingame items, just use some common sense
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:52:00 -
[1355]
Originally by: Breaker77 While technically only the character that started the thread is allowed to bump it in the sell forum, here are some prime examples of anyone doing it
I've bumped the T4U sales thread with a fair portion of my alt army over the time it's been there. I suppose if nobody complains then nobody cares.
Anyway, back to the point at hand...
Nobody has voiced any support for liquidation so far and I believe at least 40% of the Titans For You shares would vote to continue (myself, Ji and a couple of other large sharholders I am in contact with account for 40% and would all vote to continue) so I'm not inclined to bother with any shareholder votes on this issue so far.
Obviously cutting a deal for 2/3 of the next 120 days of production pretty much concretes that position as it removes much of the uncertainty over the returns. Looking forward to the 120 days after that, my view is we should discuss the subject again at the start of that period.
The discussion is still open for now, but in a few days time we'll be locking ourselves in to the decision as I will be accepting the deposit for the two BPCs I closed the pre-order on today.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.25 16:59:00 -
[1356]
Edited by: Estel Arador on 25/03/2010 16:59:35 The 'owner' of the thread is allowed one bump per day. Only the owner is allowed to bump. This not enforced very strictly though. (Potential) buyers/users can post questions or feedback regardless of bumping rules, the owner generally can also reply to questions without it counting as a second bump.
Originally by: Breaker77
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882525&page=13
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710&page=43
Even though those are services and not ingame items, just use some common sense
Those are services where feedback is posted, as I mentioned feedback does not count as bumping. I my thread (the second one linked to) you can see that I bump exactly once a day, usually around midnight. (Occasionally I break the letter of the law by posting just after midnight one day and just before midnight the next day (or the same day, for literalists), but that hasn't been a problem so far - I guess because it's obvious that I'm just bumping once a day.)
Note that I could post a 'thank you' after every single post with feedback, that most likely would be considered excessive bumping though.
Free jumpclone service|924 stations - 6300+ users |
Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.03.25 17:10:00 -
[1357]
I am interested in purchasing T4U shares if anyone is looking to unload some. Willing to pay 1.05M per share.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.03.25 19:41:00 -
[1358]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Ji Sama FYI we are not allowed to bump threads, and recomending this would be a violation of the terms that all eve players must agree on when the purchase an account.!
While technically only the character that started the thread is allowed to bump it in the sell forum, here are some prime examples of anyone doing it
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=882525&page=13
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=939710&page=43
Even though those are services and not ingame items, just use some common sense
I see thank you for letting me know :D
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:26:00 -
[1359]
I realize I am a little late to the party, but I definitely support continuing operations, especially with the other 2 BPO's already sold at 14m each (great job Bobby!).
I do notice that we are copying all of our BPO's are copying at ME 1. Are there any plans to research 1 or 2 of the BPO's to ME2?
Also, with the good faith of seeing one return and knowing 2 more (which are almost 3x) coming, I'm sure most of the investors (myself included) would be willing to buy more shares - specifically enough to purchase a nagnarok BPO.
Again, keep up the good work bobby!
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.03.25 20:44:00 -
[1360]
I hold 20,000 shares, and am not part of the 40% BB mentions. I would vote against liquidation
Suspect that forms a majority of the shareholding...
Emmgel
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.25 21:09:00 -
[1361]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor I do notice that we are copying all of our BPO's are copying at ME 1. Are there any plans to research 1 or 2 of the BPO's to ME2?
I don't want to go through another 8 month gap between BPC profits. ME2 would allow us to differentiate ourselves from less researched examples but we're unlikely to be able to get premium pricing on them as ME2 doesn't save that much compared to ME1 and therefore there is no good reason for producers to pay much more for it. ME1 on the other hand boosts our sale price by a considerable percentage over ME0, even more so now that BPCs are worth less than they were.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor I'm sure most of the investors (myself included) would be willing to buy more shares - specifically enough to purchase a nagnarok BPO.
It's possible if a well researched Ragnarok BPO comes up for sale at a cheap enough price. But I wouldn't want to go through getting a fresh BPO and ME researching it before copying again.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.26 06:27:00 -
[1362]
Originally by: Emmgel I hold 20,000 shares, and am not part of the 40% BB mentions. I would vote against liquidation
Suspect that forms a majority of the shareholding...
Emmgel
Yes, I think that pretty much closes the debate on liquidation for now. We'll look at it again in 120 days.
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Azrel
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2010.03.26 23:11:00 -
[1363]
Edited by: Azrel on 26/03/2010 23:11:15
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Nobody has voiced any support for liquidation so far and I believe at least 40% of the Titans For You shares would vote to continue (myself, Ji and a couple of other large sharholders I am in contact with account for 40% and would all vote to continue) so I'm not inclined to bother with any shareholder votes on this issue so far.
My vote would be continue on, so no liquidation.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.03.27 02:09:00 -
[1364]
Confirming receipt of payment #1 of 2.05% on 2010.03.22.
Originally by: Breaker77 \o/ Divs paid
15113.256203265 ISK per share or 1.511% ROI
Not bad I guess for a ME 0 BPC
Where did those numbers come from? They appear incorrect.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.03.27 04:01:00 -
[1365]
Me and my measly 100 shares are in it for the long haul. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.27 11:45:00 -
[1366]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Confirming receipt of payment #1 of 2.05% on 2010.03.22.
Originally by: Breaker77 \o/ Divs paid
15113.256203265 ISK per share or 1.511% ROI
Not bad I guess for a ME 0 BPC
Where did those numbers come from? They appear incorrect.
Rather odd as I thought I had 1899 shares, when I only have 1399 shares so the correct numbers would be 20514.705 per share or 2.05 ROI.
Much better per share, but now I'm wondering why I thought I had 500 more shares
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2010.03.27 17:58:00 -
[1367]
Payment received.
Thanks, keep up the good work!
Willing to buy shares if any come on the market
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Nixak
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Posted - 2010.03.27 21:20:00 -
[1368]
I'd be interested in buying shares people have and would like to offload. Send me an EVE mail with how many you have and how much ISK you would like :)
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.03.28 06:44:00 -
[1369]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 28/03/2010 06:44:44 1,400,000,000 received as deposit on pre-orders
84,000,000 (6%) sent to me 14,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
1,302,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
[EDIT] paw speeling
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.28 09:06:00 -
[1370]
MOAR dividends! Thank you.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.03.28 10:22:00 -
[1371]
Confirming receipt of payment #2 of 0.64% on 2010.03.28.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:53:00 -
[1372]
1,820,000,000 received as deposit on pre-orders
109,200,000 (6%) sent to me 18,200,000 (1%) sent to trustee
1,692,600,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:17:00 -
[1373]
Originally by: Bad Bobby 1,820,000,000 received as deposit on pre-orders
109,200,000 (6%) sent to me 18,200,000 (1%) sent to trustee
1,692,600,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
I love somewhat passive income.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.04.03 15:11:00 -
[1374]
Confirming receipt of payment #3 of 0.83% on 2010.03.31.
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Jackuu Bauwaah
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Posted - 2010.04.03 15:26:00 -
[1375]
May I ask what the dividends are?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.04 06:16:00 -
[1376]
Originally by: Jackuu Bauwaah May I ask what the dividends are?
The shareholder dividend is 93% of all profits generated.
So far that has been:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 (equivalent to a dividend of 2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 (equivalent to a dividend of 0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 (equivalent to a dividend of 0.83%)
The first dividend came from the sale of a BPC, the second and third come from deposits taken for BPCs that are to sell over the next four months. We are expecting the average monthly dividend to be around 2.5%, assuming we complete the sales for which deposits have been taken, for the next four months.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.04 21:08:00 -
[1377]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: GavinCapacitor I'm sure most of the investors (myself included) would be willing to buy more shares - specifically enough to purchase a nagnarok BPO.
It's possible if a well researched Ragnarok BPO comes up for sale at a cheap enough price. But I wouldn't want to go through getting a fresh BPO and ME researching it before copying again.
While I've not found an attractive deal on a Ragnarok BPO yet, I am exploring this possibility. As stated I would not be interested in buying ME0 BPOs but I am considering options for well priced ME1 or better BPOs and not just for the Ragnarok. However prices would have to be very good to tempt me.
How do we feel about returns in the 2% - 2.5% region on Titan BPOs? Are further well researched examples an investment that you would be interested in or is it something that you would not touch with a pole of significant length?
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.04.04 21:56:00 -
[1378]
I have purchased 300 shares of Titans for You. If the seller wishes to disclose their sale they may do so.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.18 20:28:00 -
[1379]
I hope this is in the right place.
I'm BB's OH and he's asked me to post to let anyone involved know that he's been taken into hospital (nothing really serious but he's being kept in over night while they monitor him) so any deliveries he was due to make today will be delayed for a couple of days.
Hope that makes sense.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.18 21:14:00 -
[1380]
It is the right place, hope everything is well :)
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.18 23:09:00 -
[1381]
Hope your better soon bobby.
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MorucK
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:56:00 -
[1382]
Best wishes! o/
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Micge
Bring Me Sunshine
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Posted - 2010.04.20 22:59:00 -
[1383]
wishing for a quick recovery (who else can i rely on to make me money )
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:00:00 -
[1384]
I got back home yesterday and I'm on the mend.
5,430,000,000 received as the balance on a pre-order
325,800,000 (6%) sent to me 54,300,000 (1%) sent to trustee
5,049,900,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 (equivalent to a dividend of 2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 (equivalent to a dividend of 0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 (equivalent to a dividend of 0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 (equivalent to a dividend of 2.47%)
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2010.04.21 06:11:00 -
[1385]
isk received
welcome back, fella
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.04.21 07:31:00 -
[1386]
Isk received.
Kithran
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.04.21 11:31:00 -
[1387]
All listed dividend payments received. Thanks!
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.04.22 00:23:00 -
[1388]
Confirming receipt of payment #4 of 2.48% on 2010.04.21
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.22 05:45:00 -
[1389]
Confirming receipt of dividend.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.22 07:01:00 -
[1390]
thanks bobby :)
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.04.23 13:48:00 -
[1391]
Edited by: GavinCapacitor on 23/04/2010 13:50:05 edit: spelling
Originally by: Bad Bobby
While I've not found an attractive deal on a Ragnarok BPO yet, I am exploring this possibility. As stated I would not be interested in buying ME0 BPOs but I am considering options for well priced ME1 or better BPOs and not just for the Ragnarok. However prices would have to be very good to tempt me.
How do we feel about returns in the 2% - 2.5% region on Titan BPOs? Are further well researched examples an investment that you would be interested in or is it something that you would not touch with a pole of significant length?
Glad you are feeling better Bad Bobby.
The 2% return are great in my opinion. I knew this was a long term thing when I invested, and this return is most certainly better than the one I get from leaving isk sit in my wallet.
Which brings me to my next point - I would like to invest more (through more BPO's, I doubt anyone is selling shares at 1m ea.). The only thing stopping expansion would be that the market is saturated, but a ragnarok BPO give us an entire new market, which is why I like the prospect of buying one.
In any case, as long as you think the market can handle it, I would favor expansion. Considering how fast we sold these BPC's (on pre-order even) it seems like a good idea, but what do I know?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.24 04:58:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Glad you are feeling better Bad Bobby.
Thanks! Although it's going to be a while before I'm back to full working order and my doctors still have a battery of tests they want to perform on me.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor The 2% return are great in my opinion. I knew this was a long term thing when I invested, and this return is most certainly better than the one I get from leaving isk sit in my wallet.
Indeed and I'm currently pushing towards 2.5%-3.0% returns as the BPC market improves.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Which brings me to my next point - I would like to invest more (through more BPO's, I doubt anyone is selling shares at 1m ea.). The only thing stopping expansion would be that the market is saturated, but a ragnarok BPO give us an entire new market, which is why I like the prospect of buying one.
To be honest, the Ragnarok is not the best prospect at this point. While I'd be happy to complete the set, I'd be more interested in another Avatar or Erebus BPO.
Originally by: GavinCapacitor In any case, as long as you think the market can handle it, I would favor expansion. Considering how fast we sold these BPC's (on pre-order even) it seems like a good idea, but what do I know?
Yes, I am having absolutely no problems selling Titan BPCs at this point. Not only have we sold both BPCs we have produced so far (one on pre-order), not only have we sold two out of the three BPCs we have in production (on pre-order), but I've sold two more BPCs that I sourced elsewhere without any difficulty at all. Obviously the other two BPCs are not part of the IPO arrangement, but they demonstrate a fairly healthy market.
Originally by: Titans 4U Products For Sale
1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD.
2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due MAY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
5. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
7. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 7.5 BILLION.
If we were to expand into new BPOs I would suggest we buy an ME2 Avatar BPO (NPC 67.5b) and then an ME2 Erebus BPO (NPC 65.25b) at NPC price or close to it. This is entirely possible, I have a seller in mind, but there would need to be sufficient support from both existing investors (voting for creation of new shares) and new investors (buying those shares) to make it fly.
If we were to purchase the ME2 Avatar BPC at 67.5b-70.0b, I would happily put in 7b to maintain my 10% shareholding. I'd want to get that BPO locked down and producing before considering adding another Erebus.
So really this is the immeditate question: Is there 60.5b-63.0b of additional investment available to buy and lock down an ME2 Avatar BPO for returns in region of 2.3%-2.7% averaged per month on that BPO, which averaged with the existing BPO set would be 2.0%-2.5% returns?
If there is, then I'm happy to expand. If there isn't, then I'm happy to carry on as we are.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.24 05:07:00 -
[1393]
I've been watching the titan bp market for a few months now, and things have picked up substantially. In addition, there are cheap researched bpos out there right now. An expansion into avatars or erebuses (erubusi?) would be reasonable.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:20:00 -
[1394]
i agree the time for profit and growth have come!
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.24 06:28:00 -
[1395]
Id be happy to invest more if there is a possibility for more profit
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.04.24 07:31:00 -
[1396]
I'd be up for more investment - could double my existing shareholding.
Kithran
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.04.24 09:10:00 -
[1397]
I too would be happy to invest further, or indeed buy shares of people wishing to sell them. |
Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.04.24 09:36:00 -
[1398]
Confirming reciept of dividend, with thanks.
Also confirming I would be interested in investing further if expansion is on the cards.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.04.24 10:56:00 -
[1399]
yo ho
I donot think that filling the titan set would be worth it. I rather have Titans 4U check the market for an blue print that might be even a better use.
I would be willing to offer 2 Billion isk for the expansion. Might even go higher than that.
Jadun
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.04.24 11:05:00 -
[1400]
/signed at what those posters above me said.
Dividends received. Thanks for that!
I'm in this as a long term investment. Low but steady and reliable income is what I'm after with this.
I also wouldn't mind expanding my investment, if new opportunities arise. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
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Deus Mallius
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Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 -
[1401]
Although not an investor now, I would like to take part in this IPO in the near future. Expand.
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phunkadin
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:35:00 -
[1402]
Good to see you up and around again BB! Hope to see you back to 100% asap,
Best wishes, Phunk |
Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
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Posted - 2010.04.24 13:45:00 -
[1403]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 24/04/2010 13:45:53 I'd be interested in tossing a billion or so into an expansion. Depending on some current projects of my own and how my isk is faring once the expansion hits.
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Azrel
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:33:00 -
[1404]
I would be happy to invest more to expand the BPO set to add another avatar.
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.04.24 14:39:00 -
[1405]
I'm game. In for +1 bil.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.04.24 15:56:00 -
[1406]
Whats up with the new vote?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:00:00 -
[1407]
A shareholder vote has been started:
Originally by: Shareholder vote Corporate Vote - Create 70000 shares From: Titans 4U Sent: 2010.04.24 15:54
Create 70000 shares for purchase of ME2 Avatar BPO
Vote YES if you are happy for Titans For You to raise an additional 70b to purchase an ME2 Avatar BPO.
Vote NO if you are unhappy for Titans For You to raise an additional 70b to purchase an ME2 Avatar BPO.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:01:00 -
[1408]
+21000 votes for YES!
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Kahn Engineer
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:19:00 -
[1409]
I am happy with expansion. With that, I'd like to also buy more shares when they are ready to be distributed.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:19:00 -
[1410]
Bobby, please use my shares to vote yes.
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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:21:00 -
[1411]
Edited by: LarcatOfRens on 24/04/2010 16:21:00 Page 48 Sniper *****ES!!!!
I'm hitting the point where I am considering investment because of NAV.
T4U and TMPI would be my first choices of shares to buy, so +1.
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Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:22:00 -
[1412]
Yes for share creation
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:22:00 -
[1413]
Originally by: Ji Sama Bobby, please use my shares to vote yes.
+17000 votes for YES!
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.24 16:55:00 -
[1414]
I vote Yarr err yes
Are you taking reservations at this time as well? If so put me down for 2 billion ISK.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:05:00 -
[1415]
Originally by: Breaker77 Are you taking reservations at this time as well?
First we'll let the vote pass, then I'll allow one week for existing investors to buy new shares. Then I'll open it up to everyone. No reservations.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:09:00 -
[1416]
Please use my shares to vote yes.
If you are able to source BPCs for resale, is it worth creating some reserve within the IPO for trade opportunities?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:12:00 -
[1417]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Please use my shares to vote yes.
+2800 votes for YES!
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Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.24 17:33:00 -
[1418]
Although they aren't many, my shares vote yes as well.
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Rhivre
Caldari TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2010.04.24 18:02:00 -
[1419]
Yes from my shares too
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.04.24 19:16:00 -
[1420]
Not that many, but +500 for "Yes" -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:14:00 -
[1421]
20,000 votes cast in favour of creation of shares.
Emmgel
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Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.24 20:23:00 -
[1422]
It appears as though the new issue will be hot. Perhaps the new shares should be offered at a premium?
/ramble on If I'm doing this right, an additional 70,000 shares will dilute the existing 204,000 shares by about 34%. Bad Bobby has stated that existing shareholders will have first rights of refusal. If we were to maintain the ownership proportions then each shareholder would be entitled to purchase 1 new issue share for every 3 shares outstanding, give or take. I'm going to assume that this is off the table, logistics would be a headache. It will most likely be a free for all among the existing shareholders.
By offering the new shares at a premium additional investment capitol could be raised for future endeavors, a special dividend or we could reduce the size of the offering leaving any left over shares in the treasury. Just wondering what others think. . |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.04.24 22:00:00 -
[1423]
Originally by: Gulnack It appears as though the new issue will be hot. Perhaps the new shares should be offered at a premium?
/ramble on If I'm doing this right, an additional 70,000 shares will dilute the existing 204,000 shares by about 34%. Bad Bobby has stated that existing shareholders will have first rights of refusal. If we were to maintain the ownership proportions then each shareholder would be entitled to purchase 1 new issue share for every 3 shares outstanding, give or take. I'm going to assume that this is off the table, logistics would be a headache. It will most likely be a free for all among the existing shareholders.
By offering the new shares at a premium additional investment capitol could be raised for future endeavors, a special dividend or we could reduce the size of the offering leaving any left over shares in the treasury. Just wondering what others think.
I have no vote since I hold no shares in T4U, but unless you have something to do with the money, charging more money just to have more money is stupid. You have a need for money and then you raise what you need for the business, but having idle money is pointless.
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.24 23:56:00 -
[1424]
Voted 'yes' in-game for shares creation. As a very minor shareholder I would be absolutely willing to invest more at this point. -- insert clever signature here. |
Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 01:12:00 -
[1425]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Gulnack It appears as though the new issue will be hot. Perhaps the new shares should be offered at a premium?
/ramble on If I'm doing this right, an additional 70,000 shares will dilute the existing 204,000 shares by about 34%. Bad Bobby has stated that existing shareholders will have first rights of refusal. If we were to maintain the ownership proportions then each shareholder would be entitled to purchase 1 new issue share for every 3 shares outstanding, give or take. I'm going to assume that this is off the table, logistics would be a headache. It will most likely be a free for all among the existing shareholders.
By offering the new shares at a premium additional investment capitol could be raised for future endeavors, a special dividend or we could reduce the size of the offering leaving any left over shares in the treasury. Just wondering what others think.
I have no vote since I hold no shares in T4U, but unless you have something to do with the money, charging more money just to have more money is stupid. You have a need for money and then you raise what you need for the business, but having idle money is pointless.
Is diluting shareholder value with secondary issues sold below market value less stupid?
I might have been too vague, so I'll start from the beginning. I think expansion through further acquisition is a great idea and for what it's worth as an un-wealthy and very minor investor I voted yes. A vote to fund the investment with an issue of an additional 70,000 shares has already been proposed and support seems overwhelming. So lets assume that the creation of an additional 70,000 shares is a forgone conclusion.
Many investors from the first four rounds (myself included) are eager to buy more shares and I believe that their is a strong interest from the rest of the community as well, so it stands to reason that the existing shares are worth more than 1mm each. Just how much they are worth is hard to judge since their is no active market. However, I feel reasonably certain that I could sell my shares for 1.25mm, maybe as much as 2mm now that a fairly consistent revenue stream has started, the Titan market has stabilized and demand seems strong. So why then would I want the value of my existing shares reduced (through dilution) so that additional shares can be sold below the fair market value?
I don't, but their are alternatives. I could wait until the new issue, and as an existing shareholder, scoff up as many shares as my meager budget allows and then sell some/all of those shares back into the market while interest is still at a fevered pitch... then maybe come back into the market in a few months when things cool off and try to buy back the sold shares at more reasonable prices.
Or... as a community the existing T4U shareholders/BOD/Bad Bobby himself can attempt to set the new issue at a fair price that will avoid market volatility. Bad Bobby has forcast dividends of 2-2.5%, splitting the difference lets call it 2.25% of face value. Thats 2.25% after months without any returns all while enduring the risk of possible failure as the Titan market wobbled. If the new shares were sold at 1.5mm, then the new investors would see an ROI of 1.5% with a fraction of the risk. The premium on new shares would also help to balance supply with demand at issue.
This raises the question of what to do with the extra capitol? We could reduce the offering from 70,000 shares to 47,000 (further supporting the 1.5mm price and leaving 23,000 shares in the corp treasury), or sell all the shares and save the extra 35bn for future investment or distribute the extra 35bn as a special dividend. . |
Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:12:00 -
[1426]
Voted yes for creation of shares.
I'm positive to putting isk down for another 1000-2000 shares in this expansion
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.25 02:28:00 -
[1427]
Originally by: Gulnack ...
Your numbers are way off, but the basic idea is sound. People will pay a premium on the face value to buy into a successful company.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.04.25 03:41:00 -
[1428]
Originally by: Gulnack Is diluting shareholder value with secondary issues sold below market value less stupid?
Of course that concept is not stupid, what is stupid in my eyes are the 'solutions' you propose. Increasing the capital when not needed is not clever indeed. If you are not going to make use of the money you're better not getting it from other people. This is what I understood and criticized from your first post. If you could increase the value of all shares, you should remember that T4U already offers very low dividends, maybe you can drop a bunch of shares at a premium on a few losers, but effectively increasing the value of all shares will make it dificult for shareholders to get rid of their shares in the future. And you can't increase the value of all shares without putting idle cash in the company and making new shares lose part of their value (see the last point) the very second they are purchased and fixing their value to an odd number more dificult to market when selling later. Lastly, regarding the 'extra dividends' for current shareholders I'd say that if you think you can sell your shares for a 100% premium you should sell them right now given that the return that T4U offers equals more than three years of dividends on that deal. An increase of 25% equals almost one year of dividends and I can't imagine anyone half intelligent taking that offer either, given the time it would take to even the cost of oportunity.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 04:34:00 -
[1429]
As existing shareholders are being given 1 week to buy shares before new shareholders, the simple way to achieve what Gulnack suggests is to simply buy up and then re-sell the shares at a premium. That way the extra isk goes directly into existing shareholder's pockets, where it belongs, rather than into T4U's coffers.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.25 05:06:00 -
[1430]
Ya, upon further reflection it's not a good idea. You would have to sell them all at a premium and cancel the current shareholder window for it to work. The way Bobby describes privileges the rich, but that's the advantage of being rich.
Also, wtb 1 T4U share so I can buy and resell half the new offer.
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Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 06:41:00 -
[1431]
Originally by: SetrakDark Your numbers are way off, but the basic idea is sound. People will pay a premium on the face value to buy into a successful company.
After speaking very briefly with SetraDark it appears that my valuations were way off. As a relatively new MD participant I may be missing something unique to Eve. SetrakDark points out that all of the shares must have the same face value, which Krathos also touches on indirectly, but that new participants might be charged a small premium to the set face value. I'm not sure that I understand the why of this. The par value is arbitrary. The worth is what someone will pay for it which in turn determines the ROI. No? I have been viewing the T4U shares as a passive income stream with an ownership interest in a corporation. When I want my investment back I sell off my shares at whatever the market will bear. However, it seems as though the shares are treated more like callable bonds... this is perhaps because the short life cycle of virtual companies keeps valuations close to book value?
Originally by: Krathos Increasing the capital when not needed is not clever indeed. If you are not going to make use of the money you're better not getting it from other people.
None of the solutions suggest not using the money. One option improves the quick ratio, another reduces the size of the issue and the third rewards the existing shareholders who have taken on more risk from day one. All three help to balance supply with demand.
Originally by: Krathos If you could increase the value of all shares...
I don't have to, existing holders are already chomping at the bit to increase their positions. If their was a real market for these "shares" then I'm willing to wager that their would be a premium. When it comes time to unload you should sell your interest for whatever the market will bear, weather the number is round or "square". Even if you don't move the face value, at a premium of 100k the shares will yield 1.61% over 18 months.
Originally by: Krathos Lastly, regarding the 'extra dividends' for current shareholders I'd say that if you think you can sell your shares for a 100% premium you should sell them right now given that the return that T4U offers equals more than three years of dividends on that deal. An increase of 25% equals almost one year of dividends and I can't imagine anyone half intelligent taking that offer either, given the time it would take to even the cost of oportunity.
Huh? Excluding special dividends, If you had a bond paying a 2.25% monthly coupon it would take about 23 months to break even on a 25% premium... A 100% premium would take much much longer. However, a share in a company experiences growth in addition to paying dividends... the growth is what your paying for but if you cut the pie into more pieces, the pieces grow smaller instead of larger. Anyway these aren't really shares so, my bad. You're right, the premiums were way out of line.
However, the three solutions are still very much viable... . |
Gulnack
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.25 06:47:00 -
[1432]
Originally by: SetrakDark Ya, upon further reflection it's not a good idea. You would have to sell them all at a premium and cancel the current shareholder window for it to work. The way Bobby describes privileges the rich, but that's the advantage of being rich.
Also, wtb 1 T4U share so I can buy and resell half the new offer.
lolz - sold, will arrange tomorrow or transfer in good faith. . |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.25 06:59:00 -
[1433]
Edited by: SetrakDark on 25/04/2010 07:00:06
Originally by: Gulnack The par value is arbitrary. The worth is what someone will pay for it which in turn determines the ROI. No? I have been viewing the T4U shares as a passive income stream with an ownership interest in a corporation. When I want my investment back I sell off my shares at whatever the market will bear. However, it seems as though the shares are treated more like callable bonds... this is perhaps because the short life cycle of virtual companies keeps valuations close to book value?
You are absolutely correct in your questions and conclusion. There is a reasonably foreseeable end to this venture, when the shares will be redeemable for a unit worth of assets.
What you're describing could work, but, as I mentioned above, would require a completely open sale. This kind of equity expansion may be possible, but it would be risky without solid secondary market institutions like widely used exchanges and underwriters. What Bobby is suggesting instead is that current investors are given the opportunity to act as underwriters and reap the reward.
Long story short, you're right, but I don't know if the secondary market is sophisticated enough to handle it.
This is pretty theoretical stuff, so if you're unsatisfied with the answer by all means say so. I love discussing this crap.
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Hanster Maluki
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Posted - 2010.04.25 08:38:00 -
[1434]
+4000 for yes
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:04:00 -
[1435]
The vote completed with 99.8% support for creating 70000 new shares.
Existing shareholders have one week to buy shares before they are made available to the general public.
Shares are 1m per share (as before). The minimum purchase is 500 shares (500m).
The process is:
1. Post in this thread stating the number of shares you wish to purhase. 2. I post to accept your purchase, thus confirming that you are an existing shareholder and eligable to make the purchase. 3. You send me the isk. 4. I send you the shares.
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:07:00 -
[1436]
wtb 1000 shares ---------- corporate solutions
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:08:00 -
[1437]
I am buying 10000 shares.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:09:00 -
[1438]
I'll take 4,000 shares
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:10:00 -
[1439]
5,000 shares purchased from the new batch.
Emmgel
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:11:00 -
[1440]
Can I buy 1400 shares
Cheers
Kithran
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Lord Schmock
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:12:00 -
[1441]
I'll take 2,000 share from new batch
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:15:00 -
[1442]
Id like to buy 1000 shares please. |
Promethian child
Amarr 0utbreak
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:17:00 -
[1443]
Note me down for 500
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:18:00 -
[1444]
I will buy 1500 shares for 1.5 Billion.
Terrare
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:18:00 -
[1445]
wtb a humble amount of 100 shares
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:18:00 -
[1446]
I'd like to buy 1,000 shares. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:20:00 -
[1447]
Originally by: Sandrane Kipler wtb a humble amount of 100 shares
I'm sorry, there is a 500 share minimum.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:26:00 -
[1448]
Originally by: eXistentiA wtb 1000 shares
Originally by: Bad Bobby I am buying 10000 shares.
Originally by: Companion Qube I'll take 4,000 shares
Originally by: Emmgel 7,500 shares purchased from the new batch.
Originally by: Kithran Can I buy 1400 shares
Originally by: Lord Schmock I'll take 2,000 share from new batch
Originally by: Bert Rebus Id like to buy 1000 shares please.
Originally by: Promethian child Note me down for 500
Originally by: Terrare Vordai I will buy 1500 shares for 1.5 Billion.
Originally by: Hel O'Ween I'd like to buy 1,000 shares.
Accepted. Please send isk to Titans 4U and I will send you your shares.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:30:00 -
[1449]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Sandrane Kipler wtb a humble amount of 100 shares
I'm sorry, there is a 500 share minimum.
Bad Bobby - I'd missed the 500 minumum when I requested 1400 shares on the previous page. Could I up this to the round 1500.
Also if you could confirm Sandrane Kipler as a previous share holder I'd be willing to sell 100 shares to Sandrane after the shares have been distributed for 100million and 1 isk (its the principle of the thing, don't want to make an invetment I have made _some_ profit on).
Kithran
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max ikabon
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:33:00 -
[1450]
i will take 1500 new shares
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:36:00 -
[1451]
Shares sent:
10000 to me 7500 to Emmgel 4000 to Companion Qube 2000 to Lord Schmock 1500 to Kithran
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:38:00 -
[1452]
I would like 1500 shares as well
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:43:00 -
[1453]
Originally by: max ikabon i will take 1500 new shares
Originally by: Martosh Toma I would like 1500 shares as well
Accepted. Please send isk to Titans 4U and I will send you your shares.
Shares sent:
1500 Terrare Vordai 1500 Bert Rebus
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GX307
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:43:00 -
[1454]
500 shares for me please.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:53:00 -
[1455]
Originally by: GX307 500 shares for me please.
Accepted. Please send isk to Titans 4U and I will send you your shares.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.25 20:58:00 -
[1456]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 25/04/2010 21:05:33 Shares sent:
1500 max ikabon 500 GX307 1500 Martosh Toma
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:07:00 -
[1457]
shares received
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:07:00 -
[1458]
I'm going offline. I'll pick up again in the morning.
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Azrel
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:14:00 -
[1459]
Edited by: Azrel on 25/04/2010 21:14:41 Put me down for 2500 shares
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Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:22:00 -
[1460]
I would like 500 shares, please.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:24:00 -
[1461]
2200 shares please
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eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:28:00 -
[1462]
cash sent ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:31:00 -
[1463]
Originally by: Gulnack Nice things
Note that I think that you are right on the reasons behind this an that I discussed about that before within One Stop. The thing is that I don't believe your solutions are aplicable in this case, given the semi-fixed low interest and null growing rate of the shares. Any premium paid from new investors is lost the second after purchase because although market share could let you sell at a premium, ultimately, the real value of the share is the liquidation price. This means NAV fixes the price and since the NAV is fixed the price won't swing much (unlike in One Stop). This leaves us interest to recoup with the premium. IRL, company's shares' prices swing with earnings or prospect of them, but T4U have a semifixed low interest, and this means it is not that attractive. It is not that attractive given that a mere 10% increase in the price of shares means four full months with no gains for the investor, only to recoup their money back. And then they get one of the lowest interest rates here in MD. There are other considerations of course, given the lack of secure investments, the lack of knowledge and that scams get their share of the market, it is possible that a legit business could force it's way in, but given the volume of shares, that it needs to sell them all to work and the lack of dinamism, I think it would be a bad movement for the company to force a premium on all shares.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.25 21:35:00 -
[1464]
I want to buy 2000 shares
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:05:00 -
[1465]
I'll take 1,000 shares.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:06:00 -
[1466]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 25/04/2010 22:10:13 2000 shares (2 bil) for me. Will send ASAP
Thanks
edit: ISK sent
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tre introv
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:36:00 -
[1467]
In for 1000 shares..sending isk now.
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Kamikaze Grace
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Posted - 2010.04.25 22:54:00 -
[1468]
Hi there.
I will take 200 shares if thats OK.
I will need a week to liquidate some datacores
KG
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Gareth Montesque
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:06:00 -
[1469]
Edited by: Gareth Montesque on 25/04/2010 23:13:30 1000 shares for gareth montesque please
isk sent
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Lone Star Heavy Industries Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2010.04.25 23:08:00 -
[1470]
Edited by: Dafydd ab''Rhys on 25/04/2010 23:13:18 Edited by: Dafydd ab''Rhys on 25/04/2010 23:12:45 Hi
Can I get another 200 shares (200 mill)
Thanks
Dafydd ---------------------------------- Opps too eager. 500 min.
I think I can raise that. Put me down for 500M
Dafydd
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2010.04.26 00:56:00 -
[1471]
Hi, I would like to purchase 2000 shares please.
Regards Steo
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2010.04.26 02:40:00 -
[1472]
I will take another 500 shares
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Oxigun
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Posted - 2010.04.26 03:05:00 -
[1473]
Buying another 2000 shares. Please confirm, so I can send the ISK.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.04.26 03:48:00 -
[1474]
yo ho
I would like to buy another 2300 shares of T4U.
Jadun
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:16:00 -
[1475]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 26/04/2010 05:22:55 Edited by: Titans 4U on 26/04/2010 05:20:20
1000 eXistentiA - Accepted, Paid, Sent 10000 Bad Bobby - Accepted, Paid, Sent 4000 Companion Qube - Accepted, Paid, Sent 7500 Emmgel - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 Kithran - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2000 Lord Schmock - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Bert Rebus - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Promethian Child - Accepted 1500 Terrare Vordai - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Hel O'Ween - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 max ikabon - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 Martosh Toma - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 GX307 - Accepted, Paid, Sent 3500 Azrel - Accepted 500 Kelltick - Accepted 2000 Pierced Brosmen - Accepted 1000 Bob Rockbreaker - Accepted 2000 Breaker77 - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 tre introv - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Gareth Montesque - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys - Accepted 2000 Cpt Steo - Accepted 500 Rojo Ocho - Accepted 2000 Oxigun - Accepted 2300 Jadun - Accepted
Total 51800 / 70000
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:56:00 -
[1476]
yeah, I'm in for another 1000 shares, thx
isk sent to T4U
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2010.04.26 05:57:00 -
[1477]
ISK sent. And Wow, this is going fast.
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Magnu Stormhawk
Stormhawk Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.04.26 06:09:00 -
[1478]
I will take another 1000 shares please (1 billion)
My shares are currently held by Stormhawk Enterprises.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.26 06:13:00 -
[1479]
This is going too fast for me. I didn't even see the vote before it was over. I think it would have been fair to allow a week of notice/discussions for a deal as large as this.
I would like to sell my 1000 shares. (I can wait until the new issue is done.)
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.04.26 07:29:00 -
[1480]
I would like to purchase 500 shares.
Isk already sent to Character Titans 4U.
Are there any plans to research our current ME1 BPO's to ME2?
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Azrel
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2010.04.26 07:30:00 -
[1481]
ISK Sent to Titans 4U for my shares.
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2010.04.26 07:46:00 -
[1482]
I will take 500 shares please.
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.04.26 08:40:00 -
[1483]
I would like to purchase another 2000 shares please, will send the isk tonight when i get home. |
Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 10:13:00 -
[1484]
Another 1000 shares for 1Bil isk for me please
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Ballet
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Posted - 2010.04.26 11:47:00 -
[1485]
As existing holder, Will take 1100 (1.1 BIL) new shares.
Will send ISK upon confirmation,
thanks.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 12:38:00 -
[1486]
Post 1475 updated.
12100 shares available for existing shareholders.
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 13:27:00 -
[1487]
1000 for me. ISK will be sent after 15 min.
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:29:00 -
[1488]
I would like to purchase 1000 additional shares. -- insert clever signature here. |
Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.04.26 14:45:00 -
[1489]
Edited by: Phoebe Halliwel on 26/04/2010 14:46:45
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel 2200 shares please
Don't see my name on the "accepted" list, sending the ISK anyway, my existing shares are being held by your alt as collateral so I might not be showing on the existing shareholder list. Hope that's OK.
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Viilaa
Caldari Vanishing Point.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:41:00 -
[1490]
I'll take another 500 shares. Isk will be sent tonight when I log on.
Viilaa
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Psy Te'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.26 15:57:00 -
[1491]
Please put me down for another 500 shares, Thanks
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:32:00 -
[1492]
Post 1475 updated.
6900 shares available for existing shareholders.
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Kelltick
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.26 16:35:00 -
[1493]
ISK sent
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.26 17:58:00 -
[1494]
Edited by: Pierced Brosmen on 26/04/2010 18:03:30 Isk sent to Titans 4U
[Edit:] Confirming shares recieved
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Ballet
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:15:00 -
[1495]
ISK sent for 1100 shares.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.04.26 18:42:00 -
[1496]
If those 6900 don't have the min I'll take 100. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:19:00 -
[1497]
Damn those went fast. Ill send the isk when I get home from work.
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Free Lapland The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:51:00 -
[1498]
Originally by: Emnity Preston I would like to purchase another 2000 shares please, will send the isk tonight when i get home.
Isk sent 20:51 GMT |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 19:55:00 -
[1499]
Post 1475 updated.
6900 shares available for existing shareholders only.
1m per share. Minimum purchase 500 shares (500m).
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shogon waldron
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:19:00 -
[1500]
will take 1000 shares please
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2010.04.26 20:43:00 -
[1501]
I will take 1,000 share as well please.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:05:00 -
[1502]
Quote: Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 (AKA Hot Sexy Hick) Kazzac Elentria
Can you confirm this from your OP as the current list of trustees?
Also, what was their (or the current trustees') reaction time to the new vote? Considering a 24h vote could unlock all BPOs, this is quite a vital role on their part, no?
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:21:00 -
[1503]
I will buy another 4,000 shares (4b).
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:21:00 -
[1504]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 26/04/2010 21:22:21
1000 eXistentiA - Accepted, Paid, Sent 10000 Bad Bobby - Accepted, Paid, Sent 4000 Companion Qube - Accepted, Paid, Sent 7500 Emmgel - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 Kithran - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2000 Lord Schmock - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Bert Rebus - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Promethian Child - Accepted 1500 Terrare Vordai - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Hel O'Ween - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 max ikabon - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1500 Martosh Toma - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 GX307 - Accepted, Paid, Sent 3500 Azrel - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Kelltick - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2000 Pierced Brosmen - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Bob Rockbreaker - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2000 Breaker77 - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 tre introv - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Gareth Montesque - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys - Accepted 2000 Cpt Steo - Accepted 500 Rojo Ocho - Accepted 2000 Oxigun - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2300 Jadun - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Marbo Slyder - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Magnu Stormhawk - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 GavinCapacitor - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 jwingenderowns - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2000 Emnity Preston - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1100 Ballet - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Estella Vance - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Kiree Chancel - Accepted, Paid, Sent 2200 Phoebe Halliwel - Accepted, Paid, Sent 500 Viilaa - Accepted 500 Psy Te'r - Accepted 1000 shogon waldron - Accepted, Paid, Sent 1000 Tre Circuit - Accepted 4000 Kapila Parthalan - Accepted
Total 69100 / 70000
900 shares available for existing shareholders only.
1m per share. Minimum purchase 500 shares (500m).
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:46:00 -
[1505]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Quote: Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 (AKA Hot Sexy Hick) Kazzac Elentria
Can you confirm this from your OP as the current list of trustees?
Current trustees are:
Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 Kazzac Elentria Cosmoray
Originally by: Ray McCormack Also, what was their (or the current trustees') reaction time to the new vote? Considering a 24h vote could unlock all BPOs, this is quite a vital role on their part, no?
Proton Power responded immediately with a post in this thread. AC155 knew about the vote ahead of time. Kazzac hasn't been available much of late, which is why we added Cosmoray to the list of truestees. I don't believe Cosmoray has shares in T4U so he wouldn't have seen the vote and the last I heard he was on holiday and sunning himself poolside. I convo'd Shar during the vote, I believe he was aware of it prior to the convo but I can't be certain.
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:02:00 -
[1506]
ISK sent
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:30:00 -
[1507]
Updated
900 shares still available (for existing shareholders only).
Price is 1m per share. Minimum purchase 500 shares (500m).
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:35:00 -
[1508]
Transferred 4B ISK to Titans 4U for 4000 shares in Titans For You.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:46:00 -
[1509]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Quote: Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 (AKA Hot Sexy Hick) Kazzac Elentria
Can you confirm this from your OP as the current list of trustees?
Also, what was their (or the current trustees') reaction time to the new vote? Considering a 24h vote could unlock all BPOs, this is quite a vital role on their part, no?
Hopefully Bobby can answer this better than me...
The shareholder vote went out to anyone with titans 4u shares. Isn't the shell corp for the lock/unlock votes a different set of shares?? So if they didn't own Titans 4u shares they would not have received it??
If it isn't that way, then any titans 4u shareholders would be aware of the unlock votes and the BoD would be meaningless.
Amirite??
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2010.04.26 23:11:00 -
[1510]
2b sent.
Thanks Steo
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.04.27 00:07:00 -
[1511]
Confirming receipt of 4000 shares in Titans For You for 4B ISK.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:10:00 -
[1512]
Originally by: Breaker77 Hopefully Bobby can answer this better than me...
The shareholder vote went out to anyone with titans 4u shares. Isn't the shell corp for the lock/unlock votes a different set of shares?? So if they didn't own Titans 4u shares they would not have received it??
If it isn't that way, then any titans 4u shareholders would be aware of the unlock votes and the BoD would be meaningless.
Amirite??
The short answer is: Yes, youarerite.
The long answer is: Some of the BoD have T4U shares as well as SuperSekrit shares, this was covered in my response to Ray...
Originally by: Titans 4U Proton Power responded immediately with a post in this thread. AC155 knew about the vote ahead of time. Kazzac hasn't been available much of late, which is why we added Cosmoray to the list of truestees. I don't believe Cosmoray has shares in T4U so he wouldn't have seen the vote and the last I heard he was on holiday and sunning himself poolside. I convo'd Shar during the vote, I believe he was aware of it prior to the convo but I can't be certain.
...also the SuperSekrit corp isn't a shell corp, it's the real corp, Titans For You is the shell corp.
The BoD is primarily there to provide liquidation services in the event of burnout or hit-by-a-bus etc. Their ability to prevent me from scamming the IPO is somewhat limited. If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:52:00 -
[1513]
List updated!
900 shares still available!
Price is 1m per share. Minimum purchase 500 shares (500m). Existing shareholders only.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:52:00 -
[1514]
Got back today (off again tomorrow).
I can confirm I have an ALT in the corp, which has a director role. I do not own shares in the ALT corp, and therefore can't vote on lockdown/unlock. I also don't own shares in Titans4U, so won't see any share expansion vote.
My only function is to help liquidate if something happens.
In this expansion BB will have access to the cash until he requests lockdown vote of the BPO. I can confirm that the other Titan BPO's are currently being copied and are locked down.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 05:53:00 -
[1515]
Originally by: Titans 4U The BoD is primarily there to provide liquidation services in the event of burnout or hit-by-a-bus etc. Their ability to prevent me from scamming the IPO is somewhat limited. If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
Not exactly what was discussed when I asked that question and you responded. Has the role changed now since you set it?
Irrational Exuberance.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:07:00 -
[1516]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U The BoD is primarily there to provide liquidation services in the event of burnout or hit-by-a-bus etc. Their ability to prevent me from scamming the IPO is somewhat limited. If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
Not exactly what was discussed when I asked that question and you responded. Has the role changed now since you set it?
My response being this:
Originally by: Bad Bobby I can only make use of the tools CCP give me, the lockdown vote system may be limited and generally poor but that is all I really have to work with.
At least you only need two of the four trustees to be paying attention to stop me from unlocking the BPOs and disappearing with them.
Have you any suggestions to improve the security and prevent these issues?
We discussed what the Trustees can and cannot provide at length. The weaknesses in the lockdown system have been discussed openly.
I've done the best I can to provide security for my shareholders. But it all comes down to this: If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
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Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.04.27 06:42:00 -
[1517]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U The BoD is primarily there to provide liquidation services in the event of burnout or hit-by-a-bus etc. Their ability to prevent me from scamming the IPO is somewhat limited. If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
Not exactly what was discussed when I asked that question and you responded. Has the role changed now since you set it?
Irrational Exuberance.
Would you mind going back to being irrelevant? You're starting to look butt-hurt in here.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:02:00 -
[1518]
Originally by: Titans 4U My response being this:
And I understand and accept your response, but you need to make that emphatically clear then. You're currently operating under false pretences having your IPO 'secured' by several respected Trustees.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:09:00 -
[1519]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U My response being this:
And I understand and accept your response, but you need to make that emphatically clear then. You're currently operating under false pretences having your IPO 'secured' by several respected Trustees.
I thought I had:
Originally by: Titans 4U Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks
There is a risk that the POS being used to copy the BPOs will be attacked. The BPOs themselves will not be at risk from such an attack as they will be stored and locked down in the corp office in an NPC station. However the POS and any BPCs currenty in production will be at risk. The POS location will be kept secret to reduce the chances of this and I will be fitting the POS with a formidable deathstar setup to discourage hostile acts.
There is a risk that the Orca being used to transport the BPOs and BPCs will be attacked. To limit the impact I will transport only one at a time and I will use all the techniques for avoiding such an attack.
There is a risk that I, or the trustees, will scam in one way or another. Obviously the trustees and the methods we are using have been devised to reduce the risks and impact of such an occurance but there is nothing we can do to completely eliminate this risk.
There is a risk that the Titan BPC market will die, in which case we would liquidate and recover whatever funds we can to repay investors.
I can use a larger font if that would help?
If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
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Annika Petrovich
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:13:00 -
[1520]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U My response being this:
And I understand and accept your response, but you need to make that emphatically clear then. You're currently operating under false pretences having your IPO 'secured' by several respected Trustees.
Has anyone else noticed the massive conflict of interest involved in Ray, who has titan BPC for sale in his signature, trying to crap all over a titan bpc ipo thread?
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:19:00 -
[1521]
Originally by: Titans 4U I can use a larger font if that would help?
Bobby, just in case it isn't clear I'll explain my motives further.
You advertise that you have a group of respected Trustees securing this IPO. You don't outline their duties fully in the OP of this thread, your only disclosure of what you expect their responsibilities to be is in a post a I linked previously. However, even you agree that is not realistic, yet you have done nothing to further outline their exact responsibilities. A blanket post regarding trust is not sufficient.
It's crazy how we all sit here complaining about past failures and ****ting on those who failed in their duties yet still set ourselves up once more for catastrophe.
I'm just asking you to be more thorough in your explanation of the effectiveness and requirements of your Trustees.
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Power Sauce
Kenzzoku
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:20:00 -
[1522]
ebank have always been involved in trying to manipulate investment and the titan bpc market.
Given that Ray is the former ceo of the largest scam in eve his "concerns" don't actually carry any weight.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:38:00 -
[1523]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U I can use a larger font if that would help?
Bobby, just in case it isn't clear I'll explain my motives further.
You advertise that you have a group of respected Trustees securing this IPO. You don't outline their duties fully in the OP of this thread, your only disclosure of what you expect their responsibilities to be is in a post a I linked previously. However, even you agree that is not realistic, yet you have done nothing to further outline their exact responsibilities. A blanket post regarding trust is not sufficient.
It's crazy how we all sit here complaining about past failures and ****ting on those who failed in their duties yet still set ourselves up once more for catastrophe.
I'm just asking you to be more thorough in your explanation of the effectiveness and requirements of your Trustees.
I think the crux of the matter here is that you asked this same question around a year ago and received an answer that basically said "we're working within limited game mechanics, we're doing what we can to mitigate risk." You then ignored this answer for a year or so (and declined to offer any better option) only to raise it again when you thought you could screw your competition by playing the concerned citizen troll.
Did I summarize that correctly, or did I leave anything out?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:45:00 -
[1524]
It's just a game.
Titans For You is just a "business" I am running inside a game. I'm not going to turn it into a job.
I'm not going to write a 100 page operation manual with disaster recovery and liquidation plans. I am simply going to rely on the basic competence of the trustees to liquidate the operation should I disappear for whatever reason.
There really isn't much that anyone can do to prevent me from scamming for hundreds of billions. Each investor has to decide for themselves if they trust me with their isk. That's the way it has always been with every IPO and Bond I've run. There has never been an audit, there has never been collateral, there is just me and the enjoyment I derive from making isk and whoring forums.
If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 09:48:00 -
[1525]
900 shares still available!
Price is 1m per share. Minimum purchase 500 shares (500m). Existing shareholders only.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 10:00:00 -
[1526]
Originally by: Bad Bobby It's just a game.
I'll turn my question to the Trustees then. What do the five of you see as your responsibilities in this set up? Are you securing the investment or just acting as potential liquidators? If you don't think you are securing the investment, then how do you feel about your name being used in a manner that suggests you are (blanket trust statement bull**** aside)?
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Power Sauce
Kenzzoku
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Posted - 2010.04.27 10:08:00 -
[1527]
Hey, it's the muppet crew, here to point out how the public investment market in an internet spaceship game isn't always perfect.
Well done Captains Obvious. /finger.
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Felo Maxun
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Posted - 2010.04.27 10:20:00 -
[1528]
5000+ shares voting yes for ray to STFU
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:44:00 -
[1529]
The state of the expansion is currently...
Total Shares: 70000 Total Accepted: 69100 Total Paid: 66600 Total Sent: 66600
I am waiting on isk from the following:
500 Promethian Child 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 500 Psy Te'r 1000 Tre Circuit
I also have 900 shares available for sale to existing shareholders at 1m per share.
I will be purchasing the Titan BPO from the seller as soon as I catch them online. My isk will be used to cover the gap until the last few billion of investment is received.
Thankyou for making this a painless expansion!
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CrazyArsed Monkey
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:15:00 -
[1530]
I will take the remaining shares, Thank you CAM
Stupid men are often capable of things the clever would not dare to contemplate -Terry Pratchett |
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:28:00 -
[1531]
Originally by: CrazyArsed Monkey I will take the remaining shares, Thank you CAM
Ok, that's the lot sold then.
I'm waiting on isk from:
500 Promethian Child 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 500 Psy Te'r 1000 Tre Circuit 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
I'll be buying the ME2 Avatar BPO as soon as the seller puts up the contract.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 13:57:00 -
[1532]
Uh...how isn't Ray 100% correct here?
"I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trusteess:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp."
This implies that at least 1 person with shares in the hidden corp is online to stop unauthorized unlocks. Why have have the shares to stop an unlock but not have it arranged properly?
More importantly, why trust someone with X00b ISK when there are simple ways to avoid the situation using game-mechanics?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:10:00 -
[1533]
Originally by: SetrakDark Uh...how isn't Ray 100% correct here?
"I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trusteess:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp."
This implies that at least 1 person with shares in the hidden corp is online to stop unauthorized unlocks. Why have have the shares to stop an unlock but not have it arranged properly?
More importantly, why trust someone with X00b ISK when there are simple ways to avoid the situation using game-mechanics?
I'm not sure I understand you.
What isn't arranged properly?
What situation should we be avoiding?
What are the game mechanics you suggest to avoid it?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:23:00 -
[1534]
Originally by: SetrakDark Uh...how isn't Ray 100% correct here?
"I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trusteess:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp."
This implies that at least 1 person with shares in the hidden corp is online to stop unauthorized unlocks. Why have have the shares to stop an unlock but not have it arranged properly?
More importantly, why trust someone with X00b ISK when there are simple ways to avoid the situation using game-mechanics?
If the accounts were always going to be unsubbed then I don't see the issue. Unsubbed accounts were never going to provide a safety net against Bobby scamming. Their only real role can be in the hit by a bus scenario.
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Dzil
Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:24:00 -
[1535]
Originally by: SetrakDark Uh...how isn't Ray 100% correct here?
"I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trusteess:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp."
This implies that at least 1 person with shares in the hidden corp is online to stop unauthorized unlocks. Why have have the shares to stop an unlock but not have it arranged properly?
More importantly, why trust someone with X00b ISK when there are simple ways to avoid the situation using game-mechanics?
To be fair to BB, there was an at length discussion regarding the best way to secure a Titan BPC copy business, and the model T4U follows derived directly from this discussion.
If you have suggestions for a better way to secure the investment (bear in mind the obscurity of the POS location is in the investors' best interests), please put them forward. It would be helpful not only here, but to investments in general, to have solid methods of securing investments.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:35:00 -
[1536]
Originally by: RAW23 If the accounts were always going to be unsubbed then I don't see the issue. Unsubbed accounts were never going to provide a safety net against Bobby scamming. Their only real role can be in the hit by a bus scenario.
Yes, the unsubbed trial account director alts are there to allow the trustees to liquidate the operation should I go missing for any reason. They are not there to prevent me from scamming and were never intended for that or advertised as that. They are unsubbed to save isk, they are trial accounts to save isk, they are directors to allow them to liquidate the operation.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 14:41:00 -
[1537]
Ok, here's what I understood:
Hidden corp made up of trustees with unsubbed alts as directors and shares held by mains.
Therefore, in the event of an unauthorized unlock of BPOs, someone will vote it down. In the event of a liquidation, alt accounts are subbed. This is what is possible with the current arrangement.
However, there are legitimate concerns that the current trustees are not able to perform the first task adequately. Therefore, investors need to weigh the risk of having 1 or more new trustees know the corp name, pos locations, etc, against the fact that Bobby can walk away with he BPOs at any time. If it was always intended to be merely for liquidation, then the aforementioned area of the plan needs to be rewritten because it is extremely misleading.
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Dzil
Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:05:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Yes, the unsubbed trial account director alts are there to allow the trustees to liquidate the operation should I go missing for any reason. They are not there to prevent me from scamming and were never intended for that or advertised as that. They are unsubbed to save isk, they are trial accounts to save isk, they are directors to allow them to liquidate the operation.
Quote: Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks
... ... There is a risk that I, or the trustees, will scam in one way or another. Obviously the trustees and the methods we are using have been devised to reduce the risks and impact of such an occurance but there is nothing we can do to completely eliminate this risk.
This chapter, in particular, does not align with your above statement, BB.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:11:00 -
[1539]
Originally by: SetrakDark Ok, here's what I understood:
Hidden corp made up of trustees with unsubbed alts as directors and shares held by mains.
Therefore, in the event of an unauthorized unlock of BPOs, someone will vote it down. In the event of a liquidation, alt accounts are subbed. This is what is possible with the current arrangement.
This is correct. This is what we discussed and this is what we implemented.
Originally by: SetrakDark However, there are legitimate concerns that the current trustees are not able to perform the first task adequately.
Ok, what are those concerns?
Originally by: SetrakDark Therefore, investors need to weigh the risk of having 1 or more new trustees know the corp name, pos locations, etc, against the fact that Bobby can walk away with he BPOs at any time.
Yes, it's a balancing act. Adding more trustees increases the risk of a "bad apple" and increases the chance that a "bad apple" will be detected.
Originally by: SetrakDark If it was always intended to be merely for liquidation, then the aforementioned area of the plan needs to be rewritten because it is extremely misleading.
No, it's not just for liquidation. It is also there for security, but that security is limited.
No matter how many trustees we have we cannot guarentee that an unlock vote will not get through.
No matter how many trustees we have we cannot prevent me from stripping the trial directors of their roles and holding the BPOs hostage.
In fact increasing the number of trustees increases the risks to the operation due to the secret information being more widely shared. It also increases the chance that trustees will be added that are scammers, alts of scammers, alts of mine, alts of other trustees or whatever. This can make it so that scamming unlock votes can be supported by scamming trustees.
This and all the related details were discussed previously and we came up with the current approach as the best balance.
If you have concerns, please explain them. If you have suggestions for improvements, please explain them. Simply saying that I have misslead investors with regards to security is not only unhelpful but, I feel, it is also quite wrong!
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:14:00 -
[1540]
Originally by: Titans 4U If you have concerns, please explain them. If you have suggestions for improvements, please explain them. Simply saying that I have misslead investors with regards to security is not only unhelpful but, I feel, it is also quite wrong!
I want to make it abundantly clear right now that I am not accusing anyone of anything; I'm merely seeking clarification on a confusing issue.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:15:00 -
[1541]
security/directors/trustees what it provides:
1. There are 5 trustees in the ALT corp (Proton Power, Kazzac, Shar Tegral, AC155 and Cosmoray) all with director roles. I joined primarily as Kazzac hasn't been around much. 2. Primary responsibility it to liquidate corp if anything happens to BB. 3. Shares are provided to trustees (I don't have any) to allow votes on lockdown/unlock of BPO's 4. The ALT directors forward those shares to the ALT players main 5. When there is a vote (lock/unlock) the players main can vote on it
Risks:
1. At anytime Bobby could try to unlock BPO's but would need more people to vote yes than no. If no main is online for 24 hr period he could get a lucky vote unlock.
2. Bobby could run with the cash he is receiving from expansion. That ISK is not secure until he has purchased BPO and requested lockdown vote.
3. Bobby or ANY director could run with the BPC's or any corp assets not locked down. Includes corp master wallet, POS, fuel, labs etc.. .
4. Any director could cancel a corp job, which would wipe a copy run, possibly costing investors 5-10B ISK.
There are risks, but this setup is the best protection that can be found using CURRENT game mechanics.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:17:00 -
[1542]
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Titans 4U
Yes, the unsubbed trial account director alts are there to allow the trustees to liquidate the operation should I go missing for any reason. They are not there to prevent me from scamming and were never intended for that or advertised as that. They are unsubbed to save isk, they are trial accounts to save isk, they are directors to allow them to liquidate the operation.
Quote: Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks
... ... There is a risk that I, or the trustees, will scam in one way or another. Obviously the trustees and the methods we are using have been devised to reduce the risks and impact of such an occurance but there is nothing we can do to completely eliminate this risk.
This chapter, in particular, does not align with your above statement, BB.
I'll try large type again:
The trial account directors are not there to prevent me from scamming. They are there to allow for liquidation.
The shares that the trustees hold on their mains are there to prevent me from scamming.
These are two entirely seperate aspects of the operation that people seem to be getting confused between.
In any case, none of these provisions are perfect. Nothing can make this 100% secure. Hence my statements to that effect.
If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:47:00 -
[1543]
Bobby ignore the troll :)
All investors knew what they went into, and as someone else said already; the securities where implemented because of the discussion we had before the launch.
We always knew that you could scam, we wanted securities in case you went awol, or died.
Any investor not knowing this, have only themselves to blame
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:57:00 -
[1544]
I'm sorry you're getting frustrated, and this once again seems like a situation where busybodies are getting up in some manager's **** while actual investors could not care less. I was confused by your conversation with Ray and was seeking clarification from conflicting statements.
However, the effectiveness of the trustees is a reasonable question. If this investment is based on complete trust, fine; if it is based on active trustees securing the titan bpos, fine; if it is based on liquidation security but questionable unlock security (which seems to be the present case), fine; but the current state of the actual security is a reasonable and legitimate topic.
Once again, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, nor do I necessarily think changes should be made. However, I saw someone who was asking a perfectly legitimate question being shot down with both ad homs (not by you) and "if you don't like it, don't invest". That's the kind of reaction that leads time and again to the disasters and months of bitter recrimination. People taking the time to hash this out leaves a clear record of the exact state of this investment, something that there was not before.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.27 15:58:00 -
[1545]
It's quite obvious where everything started going wrong here...
Originally by: SetrakDark Uh...how isn't Ray 100% correct here?
...someone started paying attention to Ray.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:07:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Titans 4U The shares that the trustees hold on their mains are there to prevent me from scamming.
**** me, two pages to get clarification on what was quite a simple question. I think you took my current public image to heart when reacting to the questions, quite a shame considering my vested interest in this expansion.
So only PP responded to the share vote (regardless if it was from T4U or the actual corp). AC155 and Shar were warned prior or during the vote and their reaction cannot be measured. cosmo doesn't have any shares and Kazzac is AWOL, hence cosmo's presence. Maybe you need to see to it that cosmo has shares, considering it is a part of his duties to react to any votes on them?
And excuse me for having an interest in the security of one of the largest public ventures in MD.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:14:00 -
[1547]
Originally by: Ray McCormack I think you took my current public image to heart when reacting to the questions, quite a shame considering my vested interest in this expansion.
You might want to work a bit on that image then if you recognise it gets in the way of communication. You created it, you can destroy it (maybe ...). You might also want to try answering questions directed at you in the same way you would like others to answer those that you pose.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:16:00 -
[1548]
Originally by: RAW23 You might want to work a bit on that image then if you recognise it gets in the way of communication. You created it, you can destroy it (maybe ...). You might also want to try answering questions directed at you in the same way you would like others to answer those that you pose.
Thanks for the tip Robin; but remember I'm an old hand at this game, I've been involved in more controversies than your grandma can shake her fist at. Batman out.
/cape flourish.
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Dzil
Caldari SafeHouse Investments of Tautology
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Posted - 2010.04.27 16:51:00 -
[1549]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Titans 4U
Yes, the unsubbed trial account director alts are there to allow the trustees to liquidate the operation should I go missing for any reason. They are not there to prevent me from scamming and were never intended for that or advertised as that. They are unsubbed to save isk, they are trial accounts to save isk, they are directors to allow them to liquidate the operation.
Quote: Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks
... ... There is a risk that I, or the trustees, will scam in one way or another. Obviously the trustees and the methods we are using have been devised to reduce the risks and impact of such an occurance but there is nothing we can do to completely eliminate this risk.
This chapter, in particular, does not align with your above statement, BB.
I'll try large type again:
The trial account directors are not there to prevent me from scamming. They are there to allow for liquidation.
The shares that the trustees hold on their mains are there to prevent me from scamming.
These are two entirely seperate aspects of the operation that people seem to be getting confused between.
In any case, none of these provisions are perfect. Nothing can make this 100% secure. Hence my statements to that effect.
If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
Well there we go, all back to our original understanding of the plan then. In hindsight I think I read your statement out of context of the entire thread. No trolling intended, I just read it suddenly as the trustees aren't here to provide any security against a scam, wherein said security is what interests me most about this business model.
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:10:00 -
[1550]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U The shares that the trustees hold on their mains are there to prevent me from scamming.
**** me, two pages to get clarification on what was quite a simple question. I think you took my current public image to heart when reacting to the questions, quite a shame considering my vested interest in this expansion.
So only PP responded to the share vote (regardless if it was from T4U or the actual corp). AC155 and Shar were warned prior or during the vote and their reaction cannot be measured. cosmo doesn't have any shares and Kazzac is AWOL, hence cosmo's presence. Maybe you need to see to it that cosmo has shares, considering it is a part of his duties to react to any votes on them?
And excuse me for having an interest in the security of one of the largest public ventures in MD.
Ray, I think you and I just have difficulty communicating effectively with eachother. Don't make it into anything more than that.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:16:00 -
[1551]
I'm still waiting on isk from:
500 Promethian Child 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 500 Psy Te'r 1000 Tre Circuit 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.04.27 17:43:00 -
[1552]
I would agree that the current security methods are about as good as you could get working within the current ingame system. I have thought quite a bit about security for locking down BPOs and aside from issuing another block of shares to Cosmo, the only other thing I would recommend would be an out-of-game system to notify directors of upcoming votes. Basically a "heads-up" e-mail 24 or 48 hours before the start of a vote to notify them that the vote is coming and why. If a vote was started without the prior e-mail, red flags would be raised and the directors could at least contact each other to find out what was up and take the necessary action.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:27:00 -
[1553]
Originally by: Claire Voyant I would agree that the current security methods are about as good as you could get working within the current ingame system. I have thought quite a bit about security for locking down BPOs and aside from issuing another block of shares to Cosmo, the only other thing I would recommend would be an out-of-game system to notify directors of upcoming votes. Basically a "heads-up" e-mail 24 or 48 hours before the start of a vote to notify them that the vote is coming and why. If a vote was started without the prior e-mail, red flags would be raised and the directors could at least contact each other to find out what was up and take the necessary action.
In the case of T4U, any vote will be a lockdown vote which can be ingored by the trustees. When the time comes to sell the BPOs they will get a lot more than 48 hours warning of the unlock vote.
In a different operation that carried out more regular unlock votes I can see a heads-up system of some sort being viable.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.27 18:35:00 -
[1554]
Originally by: Claire Voyant I would agree that the current security methods are about as good as you could get working within the current ingame system. I have thought quite a bit about security for locking down BPOs and aside from issuing another block of shares to Cosmo, the only other thing I would recommend would be an out-of-game system to notify directors of upcoming votes. Basically a "heads-up" e-mail 24 or 48 hours before the start of a vote to notify them that the vote is coming and why. If a vote was started without the prior e-mail, red flags would be raised and the directors could at least contact each other to find out what was up and take the necessary action.
Agreed. AC155 seems active and has already demonstrated his willingness to act when something fishy is going on, and cosmoray is of course competent, trustworthy, and seems like he at least checks in once a day, so I think between just the two of them having shares the bpos will be reasonably secure. Furthermore, I can't think of anyone who the huge and diverse investor population would agree is trustworthy enough (considering the damage a trustee could do) to bring in to help control for a theft by one of the most trusted people in MD.
Along with Claire's suggestion, at 1-stop I've committed to letting the other trustees know in advance when I will not access my character for more than a day or two, so we don't have a security breach that could be easily avoided.
Lastly I'd like to apologize for my initial post on this subject, as it was hastily done and caused more confusion, which quickly breeds acrimony, than was necessary. Just because we can say whatever we want, doesn't mean we don't have to consider what we're posting or be empathetic to someone who's "on the spot".
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Psy Te'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:43:00 -
[1555]
Sent ISK, thx
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.27 20:49:00 -
[1556]
Originally by: Titans 4U I'm still waiting on isk from:
500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 1000 Tre Circuit 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
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Amarr Citizen 155
Amsen Innovations
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:27:00 -
[1557]
Edited by: Amarr Citizen 155 on 27/04/2010 21:31:59 Lot's of people saying lots of nonsense. Some of you should let the adults talk.
Edit: Oh and just for the record, my un-subbed director is actually a subbed director. I log in and check it once a day or so. I prefer a more active approach to being a trustee (although it was not required that I do this as a trustee of T4U).
/finger
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.27 21:34:00 -
[1558]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Lot's of people saying lots of nonsense. Some of you should let the adults talk.
/finger
thats not even a rhetorical question.
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Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
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Posted - 2010.04.27 22:28:00 -
[1559]
What are people trying to say? Is there more discussion to be had for something that is already filled?
/donut
Originally by: Crawe DeRaven this thread is obviously going places
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Oxigun
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Posted - 2010.04.27 22:44:00 -
[1560]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Titans 4U I'm still waiting on isk from:
500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 1000 Tre Circuit 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
Can I have their stuffs, er, shares? Just say when...
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2010.04.28 00:00:00 -
[1561]
Originally by: Titans 4U I'm still waiting on isk from:
500 Promethian Child 500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 500 Psy Te'r 1000 Tre Circuit 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
ISK sent, sorry for the delay.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.28 04:12:00 -
[1562]
I'm still waiting on isk from:
500 Dafydd ab'Rhys 900 CrazyArsed Monkey
All other shares have been sent out.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.28 05:56:00 -
[1563]
The BPO owner started their unlock vote yesterday, so it should be on contract to me today.
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Dafydd ab'Rhys
Caldari Lone Star Heavy Industries Lone Star Partners
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Posted - 2010.04.28 12:49:00 -
[1564]
Hi there
Sorry for the delay. Work been "Interesting" so it has taken me longer to liquidate my datacores
But 500M sent for shares now
Cheers Dafydd
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:05:00 -
[1565]
I'm still waiting on isk from:
900 CrazyArsed Monkey
All other shares have been sent out.
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CrazyArsed Monkey
Minmatar Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:14:00 -
[1566]
Paid mate, sorry for delay
CAM
Stupid men are often capable of things the clever would not dare to contemplate -Terry Pratchett |
ginlaan
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Posted - 2010.04.29 00:17:00 -
[1567]
wish to purchase 1000 shares = Ginlaan
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.29 05:05:00 -
[1568]
The ME2 Avatar Titan BPO has arrived at the SuperSekrit POS, the lockdown vote has begun and it has started copying.
Originally by: Titans 4U Products For Sale
1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD.
2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due MAY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
5. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
7. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
10. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 7.5 BILLION.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:37:00 -
[1569]
Originally by: Titans 4U
6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD.
9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?
I'm so confused.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:48:00 -
[1570]
I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.04.29 20:54:00 -
[1571]
Originally by: Titans 4U
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?
EVEwatch Sidebar soon "It is the unofficial force ù the Jita irregulars. " |
Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:12:00 -
[1572]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Titans 4U
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?
Sorry if it's a duh moment... item 8 is a ME0 BPO while item 11 is a ME2 BPO.
Terrare
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.30 04:22:00 -
[1573]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?
Originally by: Martosh Toma I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?
Yes, I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.04.30 12:12:00 -
[1574]
Originally by: Titans 4U The ME2 Avatar Titan BPO has arrived at the SuperSekrit POS, the lockdown vote has begun and it has started copying.
The lockdown vote has completed.
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Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
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Posted - 2010.05.01 16:02:00 -
[1575]
Originally by: Terrare Vordai
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
Originally by: Titans 4U
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
I wonder why is it more expensive to preorder than to buy right now? wouldn't it be the other way?
Sorry if it's a duh moment... item 8 is a ME0 BPO while item 11 is a ME2 BPO.
Terrare I missed that little detail.
EVEwatch Sidebar soon "It is the unofficial force ù the Jita irregulars. " |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.07 18:41:00 -
[1576]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel If you are able to source BPCs for resale, is it worth creating some reserve within the IPO for trade opportunities?
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Please excuse/ignore me if this is blatantly obvious (especially with the non-sense in the last 3 pages of this thread I was just read), but why/how are we selling Ragnarok BPC's ?
Originally by: Martosh Toma I am guessing he bougt them when there was less demand? like he said somewhere earlyer in this very thread?
Yes, I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
It is entirely possible for us to form a reserve of BPCs during low points in the market, when supply is stronger than demand. This would serve as a long position on Titan BPC prices, speculating on a rise. This would also serve as a means of smoothing over the somewhat erratic supply and enabling us to take advantage of occasional oppertunities caused by shortages. It would also allow us to exert more control over the Titan BPC market in general and have more influence on market prices.
If shareholders wish, I'm quite happy to extend the IPO to do this. We could use a combination of a mini-expansion and a small ongoing profit retention to build and grow such a reserve.
Feel free to discuss the idea. If there is enough support to justify putting it to a shareholder vote, I will.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.07 18:49:00 -
[1577]
Originally by: Titans 4U I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:01:00 -
[1578]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?
Long as he sells Titans4U bpc's prior to his personal ones he bought dont see why he should. I use LYII for many things, some personal some for the IPO.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:02:00 -
[1579]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?
Are you serious?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:07:00 -
[1580]
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Titans 4U I've been buying cheap BPCs and reselling them. I'm not using Titans For You funds to do this (there isn't enough spare cash for that) but I'm selling them through the Titans For You shop thread.
Items 1,2,3,4,7 & 11 are produced by Titans For You, items 5,6,8,9 & 10 were sourced elsewhere.
Are you paying Titans For You anything for the use of its shop to sell your own BPCs?
Long as he sells Titans4U bpc's prior to his personal ones he bought dont see why he should. I use LYII for many things, some personal some for the IPO.
Exactly. If you look at the shop history, you can see that I've avoided listing personal BPCs that are in direct competition with Titans For You's available stock. I've been concentrating on Ragnaroks and other flavours that we're sold out of.
I've got my investor's interests at heart, not least of all because I'm the largest single investor.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:42:00 -
[1581]
In order to prevent any conflict of interest, I'm entirely happy with doing any of the following as part of any reserve building expansion:
1) Transfer my stock into the reserve and cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs. 2) Keep my stock seperate form the reserve, sell off my remaining BPCs and then cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.
Either way, I'd focus all my trading efforts on the reserve.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.07 20:19:00 -
[1582]
Edited by: SetrakDark on 07/05/2010 20:19:22 Again from my experience watching the BPC market, since it takes so long to produce a BPC, there are billions to be made from market smoothing. Furthermore, there is really only room for 1 maybe two players in that market, and T4U is in a prime position to be that player. If Bobby is willing to play that role with shareholder money, they should pounce on the opportunity, as both price control for produced BPCs and revenue in its own right.
I've got a lot on my Eve plate right now, but I'll try to track and contribute to this topic as best I can.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.05.07 22:27:00 -
[1583]
Originally by: Bad Bobby In order to prevent any conflict of interest, I'm entirely happy with doing any of the following as part of any reserve building expansion:
1) Transfer my stock into the reserve and cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs. 2) Keep my stock seperate form the reserve, sell off my remaining BPCs and then cease all personal trading in Titan BPCs.
Either way, I'd focus all my trading efforts on the reserve.
There is some real potential for this from what I've seen; a number of people sell off Titan BPCs cheap simply because they don't have the profile, time or patience to market them for an extended period. Titans4U has the profile, long term if the IPO remains stable that should increase, and I imagine you personally are able to market the BPCs appropriately. If you are willing to focus all of your trading efforts in this area, it has real potential.
If you resell Titan BPCs under the T4U name it only adds to the "branding" imo. Whether you do this for personal profit or for the shareholders, it isn't damaging to shareholders, neither is it profiting at their expense. Up to you and the rest of the shareholders whether they want to support this, you may need to show some numbers to back this section of the market up. Either way you have my support (miniscule that is is). I would prefer to have the opportunity to purchase trading stocks, but if you are forced to run this as a personal venture, still can't see any problem with the BPCs being marketed by T4U as it increases exposure.
Thanks for the response by the way, thought it had gone unnoticed in there but didn't like to push as it was clearly a busy period.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.08 05:55:00 -
[1584]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Thanks for the response by the way, thought it had gone unnoticed in there but didn't like to push as it was clearly a busy period.
I tend to go back and re-read the last few pages of this thread every so often to see if there are any questions or issues I have missed.
I agree with the comments so far, forming a reserve does seem like the right thing to do for the IPO.
As far as figures go, I'm inclined to propose a small starting reserve with an ongoing profit retention to gradually enlarge it. I think 20b would be sufficient to get things started and I would suggest that 50% of all profits generated directly from the reserve go back into the reserve (existing T4U operations are not effected) and 50% of all profits generated directly from the reserve go into the normal T4U profit share. The retained profits would enlarge the T4U NAV, increase our buying power, increase profits and increase the final share value.
I'd rather not go too deeply into the numbers for profits from my personal BPC trading as (1) that is past performance not future performance (2) the reserve will be largely speculative and (3) the market is changing quite rapidly so any predictions are mostly guesswork. However, if we were to divide the reserve's function into two parts (A) smoothing the market and (B) speculating on future prices I would expect that (A) would have little difficulty yielding 1b in profits per month (5% profit on 20b, 2.5% profit share, 2.5% retained) but (B) would be much more feast and famine in its returns as we rely on longer term market movements. So overall I would expect the reserve to at least provide the same return as the existing T4U operation and I would be optimistic that, if things go to plan, it would generate higher returns in itself as well as enhancing the profitability of the existing operation through market control.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.05.08 07:38:00 -
[1585]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 08/05/2010 07:38:49
No manipulation holds forever.
Make sure to have firm guidelines on what to do in case of trouble (oversupply/weak demand) and when to activate an exit strategy. IMO the biggest danger to this type of business is you hoping to sit out slumps in demand, recognizing too late that demand won't increase anytime soon, or getting played by competitors (if they manage to sell you just a little more BPCs than you can sell in each timeframe, the additional profit might very well make up for the lost margin - and if you stop buying up that small surplus the prices on your whole stock of BPCs might plummet).
I guess at some point you will be forced to transition to a more sustainable business model (long-term supply contracts with large alliances, whatever... - you might want to look up the history of De Beers during the 90s and early 21st century for inspiration). I guess your investors would be pleased to hear that you have plans how this transition is going to look like/work out.
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Bob Rockbreaker
Minmatar Minmatar Mining and Manufacturing Group
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Posted - 2010.05.08 07:48:00 -
[1586]
I'm in favor of a reserve for BPC purchases. T4U would be able to sell beyond beyond what copying can produce, And that portion would be self-sustaining after the starter money went in.
Would it be possible that the reserve could payback the starter money into dividends at some point if things went very well, And be completely self-sustaining afterward? Possibly even continue on it's own without the POS to make copies?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.08 08:01:00 -
[1587]
Originally by: Bob Rockbreaker Would it be possible that the reserve could payback the starter money into dividends at some point if things went very well, And be completely self-sustaining afterward? Possibly even continue on it's own without the POS to make copies?
In a sense, yes. Profits from the reserve would be paid out in dividends so that all shareholders would benefit and eventually the equivalent of the starter money would be back in the pockets of those that provided it. Any other implementation would be awkward and a little strange. The reserve could opperate without the POS, but if we were to shut down the POS we would probably be liquidating the whole venture so I don't see that happening.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.08 08:06:00 -
[1588]
Originally by: Mme Pinkerton you might want to look up the history of De Beers during the 90s and early 21st century for inspiration
I'm extremely familiar with De Beers already, there is no need for research.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.05.08 08:52:00 -
[1589]
Is it really worth it at this point?
The beauty of T4U is the minimal work, so why bother creating some for minimal gains.
Lets say you trade 5-10 Titan BPC's a year, that will net you 5-10B in profits at most. Roughly 0.125-0.25% ROI per month on what will be a 300B IPO.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.05.08 09:55:00 -
[1590]
Originally by: cosmoray Is it really worth it at this point?
The beauty of T4U is the minimal work, so why bother creating some for minimal gains.
It's not like buying and selling a few BPC's is back breaking work, or even anything that I'm not already doing.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.05.08 20:26:00 -
[1591]
Sold 2,050 shares in Titans For You.
I still have 2,950 shares, which I am willing to sell for no less than 1.1m each. Contact me if you are interested.
On the BPC reserve, I think this is a good idea. There is definitely potential for additional profits. However, with only 20B invested in it and an estimated 1B profit per month, it is unlikely to have a significant impact on the entire IPO. Is there any particular reason you picked the figure of 20B initially?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.09 06:02:00 -
[1592]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan On the BPC reserve, I think this is a good idea. There is definitely potential for additional profits. However, with only 20B invested in it and an estimated 1B profit per month, it is unlikely to have a significant impact on the entire IPO. Is there any particular reason you picked the figure of 20B initially?
I'd hope that in addition to isk generated directly by the reserve there would be an indirect increase in the profits generated by the IPO due to increased market prices as a result of the reserves activities. I picked 20b because that's how much I've been using and it has so far proved to be sufficient, if we were to need more in the future then more could be raised.
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Entaran
Caldari Metalworks Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.05.15 16:52:00 -
[1593]
Originally by: Titans 4U
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due MAY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
Item 3 as above has been paid in full and delivered. Item 4 will be paid and delivered in July.
5.6b transferred to Titans 4U 7b still outstanding upon delivery of Item 4.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.16 07:31:00 -
[1594]
5,600,000,000 received as the balance on a pre-order
336,000,000 (6%) sent to me 56,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
5,208,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.05.16 08:08:00 -
[1595]
Originally by: Titans 4U Products For Sale
1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered by pre-order.
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
5. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
7. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 9 BILLION.
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 7 BILLION.
9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 6 BILLION.
10. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is AVAILABLE NOW at 8 BILLION.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 9 BILLION.
12. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due SEPTEMBER 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8.5 BILLION.
Items 4, 7, 11 & 12 are Titans For You BPCs. As you can see the next BPC to be produced is item 4, due in July. This has already been pre-ordered so we should get 7b then (6510m / 2.38% dividend). Unless we get further deposits there will be no dividend in June, but we can hope for a double dividend in August to make up for that.
Items 8, 9 & 10 are privately owned BPCs. I didn't get enough of a shareholder response to justify a vote on implementing the BPC reserve, so these will remain outside of the IPO for now. Of course, I welcome further discussion on the matter.
I'm still looking at aquiring more well researched and well priced BPOs in the future. If anyone has any views on this, or on improvements to the expansion approach used previously, I'd like to hear them.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.05.16 13:28:00 -
[1596]
Confirming receipt of payment #5 of 1.9% on 2010.05.16.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.05.17 07:36:00 -
[1597]
Confirm receipt of dividend.
On the question of the reserve for purcahsing bpcs I'm all for it but I'm also aware I'm not a large shareholder.
Kithran
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 15:36:00 -
[1598]
I'm looking to purchase some additional Titans 4U shares provided someone has some they're willing to sell. Please PM me in game if you're interested.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.15 16:03:00 -
[1599]
Originally by: Wengy I'm looking to purchase some additional Titans 4U shares provided someone has some they're willing to sell. Please PM me in game if you're interested.
I have 750 for sale at 1.1mil per share. Shoot me a mail in game or post here if you are interested.
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 16:36:00 -
[1600]
RAW23, sry at work right now so I'll write you here. I'm interested but how about 1.075 a share or $1,075,000.00 per share.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.15 17:44:00 -
[1601]
Originally by: Wengy RAW23, sry at work right now so I'll write you here. I'm interested but how about 1.075 a share or $1,075,000.00 per share.
1.085 and you have a deal
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:45:00 -
[1602]
RAW23, make it 1.082 a share, for a total of $811,500,000.00 for your 750 shares. Can you also tell me what block the shares belong to? And how you'd like to complete the transaction (provided you accept). Is there a trusted intermediary we can use?
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.15 18:56:00 -
[1603]
Originally by: Wengy RAW23, make it 1.082 a share, for a total of $811,500,000.00 for your 750 shares. Can you also tell me what block the shares belong to? And how you'd like to complete the transaction (provided you accept). Is there a trusted intermediary we can use?
You drive a hard bargain sir. Agreed at 1.082 then.
On the transaction, if you're willing to trust me(I just paid off a 28bil bond and have held over 40bil in public money previously Linkage) you can just send me the cash and I'll send the shares. I will, of course, understand if you would prefer to go through Bad Bobby instead, who could hold both the shares and the cash, if he is willing.
As to which block they belong to, I'm afraid I don't know. I purchased them second hand but I'm sure Bobby will be able to tell you.
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.15 19:03:00 -
[1604]
RAW23, I think a straight exchange without intermediary is fine. However I can't do anything until I'm off work. I'll be one around 6:00pm Pacific Time, I'll contact you in game. Thanks for negotiating with me.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.16 05:56:00 -
[1605]
Originally by: RAW23 As to which block they belong to, I'm afraid I don't know. I purchased them second hand but I'm sure Bobby will be able to tell you.
It makes absolutely no difference which block they were in. All T4U shares are the same.
The blocks were only used during the launch to limit the amount of isk that was in my hands at one time.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:03:00 -
[1606]
Originally by: Wengy RAW23, make it 1.082 a share, for a total of $811,500,000.00 for your 750 shares.
Exchange completed.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:06:00 -
[1607]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Wengy RAW23, make it 1.082 a share, for a total of $811,500,000.00 for your 750 shares.
Exchange completed.
Thanks.
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 15:52:00 -
[1608]
Shares received. Thank you Bad Bobby for facilitating this exchange, and thank you RAW23 for the shares.
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inferniac
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:20:00 -
[1609]
hi i am looking to buy some Shares any one looking to sell
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.06.19 15:31:00 -
[1610]
Originally by: inferniac hi i am looking to buy some Shares any one looking to sell
Linkage
Also I would gladly sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share!
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.19 19:04:00 -
[1611]
"6 Titans destroyed" hmmm....that oughtta be good for business.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.06.21 20:49:00 -
[1612]
Confirming share transfers as per auction:
Tor Kallon: 1000 @ 1.09 or 1.09b Madcat Adams: 500 @ 1.08 or 540m - shares/isk transferred Laereal Sekhi: 500 @ 1.08 or 540m - shares/isk transferred Trayjan: 200 @ 1.07 or 214m - shares/isk transferred
BB, would you be able to broker the shares for Tor Kallon?
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.21 21:29:00 -
[1613]
Originally by: Wengy "6 Titans destroyed" hmmm....that oughtta be good for business.
Actually only one died. The rest respawned at their jump out points(which they jumped to then magically fell back into the system) with no pilot. 4 reclaimed by nc, white noise jumped into one of the avatars they found. The other died legit.
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WredStorm
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Posted - 2010.06.22 18:06:00 -
[1614]
If anyone is looking to sell shares please contact me with details. I'm interested in purchasing up to 5B ISK worth.
Thanks, WredStorm
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.22 18:18:00 -
[1615]
I've got a pile of shares i'd be willing to part with, contact me in-game. |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.23 07:13:00 -
[1616]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Tor Kallon: 1000 @ 1.09 or 1.09b
BB, would you be able to broker the shares for Tor Kallon?
Done.
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Syds Sinclair
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Posted - 2010.06.23 21:25:00 -
[1617]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I've got a pile of shares i'd be willing to part with, contact me in-game.
..I'll try to contact you when the servers are up, as I would like to purchase some of your shares. Is there a good time to reach you in game?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.26 04:39:00 -
[1618]
Bobby, could you please broker a trade between myself and WredStorm please? WredStorm would like to purchase 6,000 shares from me. He'll be sending you 6.48 billion isk. Once this is confirmed please send him the 6,000 shares that I've just sent to you. Thanks. |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.26 06:47:00 -
[1619]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Bobby, could you please broker a trade between myself and WredStorm please? WredStorm would like to purchase 6,000 shares from me. He'll be sending you 6.48 billion isk. Once this is confirmed please send him the 6,000 shares that I've just sent to you. Thanks.
No problem & shares received.
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WredStorm
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Posted - 2010.06.26 14:21:00 -
[1620]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Bobby, could you please broker a trade between myself and WredStorm please? WredStorm would like to purchase 6,000 shares from me. He'll be sending you 6.48 billion isk. Once this is confirmed please send him the 6,000 shares that I've just sent to you. Thanks.
ISK has been sent to Bad Bobby (thanks for brokering the deal sir).
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.06.27 13:19:00 -
[1621]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Bobby, could you please broker a trade between myself and WredStorm please? WredStorm would like to purchase 6,000 shares from me. He'll be sending you 6.48 billion isk. Once this is confirmed please send him the 6,000 shares that I've just sent to you. Thanks.
No problem & shares received.
Completed.
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WredStorm
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Posted - 2010.06.27 13:40:00 -
[1622]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Bobby, could you please broker a trade between myself and WredStorm please? WredStorm would like to purchase 6,000 shares from me. He'll be sending you 6.48 billion isk. Once this is confirmed please send him the 6,000 shares that I've just sent to you. Thanks.
No problem & shares received.
Completed.
Thanks, Bad Bobby.
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inferniac
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Posted - 2010.06.28 19:29:00 -
[1623]
hi i am looking to buy 10 shares for 12 mill
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Nlor Rath
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Posted - 2010.06.29 10:39:00 -
[1624]
Hi,
I am interested if there are any shares available.
Regards
Nlor
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.01 00:08:00 -
[1625]
I still have 2400 shares available for sale. If you are interested in buying, contact me.
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Estrith
Dashavatara
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Posted - 2010.07.01 00:09:00 -
[1626]
Eve-mail me your price for the lot please.
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Carlos Det
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Posted - 2010.07.01 02:49:00 -
[1627]
if the shares still at 1 mil a piece i want the 2400 shares please
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.01 08:34:00 -
[1628]
We have the oppertunity to purchase another Erebus BPO that is currently in research to ME2 and will be available for purchase in the very near future.
The price I have agreed with the seller is just under 68b.
Attention Shareholders!
I will start a three day shareholder vote for the creation of 68000 shares.
Vote YES if you want the purchase of this BPO to go ahead.
Vote NO if you do not want the purchase of this BPO to go ahead.
If the vote passes then I will start taking reservations. As with the previous expansion I will be allowing existing shareholders one week to purchase shares before they are made available to new investors.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.01 08:44:00 -
[1629]
32000 votes for yes!
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.07.01 09:03:00 -
[1630]
I vote yes for purchase/expantion too.
Some speculating on the source of the bpo.. could reservations be made in ebank isk? if so at what conversion rate?
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PatchDay Blues
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Posted - 2010.07.01 11:13:00 -
[1631]
I vote yes - and \o/ just in time - thanks for the payments while I was away
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.07.01 11:15:00 -
[1632]
I will be voting yes when I can log in this evening.
I'll probably be buying another 1000 shares (would be more but I've already committed to investing in the Hydra Reloaded bond ;)
Kithran
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Le Chevalier
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Posted - 2010.07.01 11:41:00 -
[1633]
2000 votes for yes
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.01 12:53:00 -
[1634]
I also support this expansion.
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2010.07.01 13:05:00 -
[1635]
I would like to reserve 2000 new shares.
Thanks Steo
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Carlos Det
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Posted - 2010.07.01 14:41:00 -
[1636]
if the ipo is approved , i want to reserve 2500 shares
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Legebriril24
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:20:00 -
[1637]
If approved i would like to reserve 500mil worth of shares if possible.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.01 15:26:00 -
[1638]
Originally by: Titans 4U If the vote passes then I will start taking reservations. As with the previous expansion I will be allowing existing shareholders one week to purchase shares before they are made available to new investors.
I am not going to take reservations until after I have published the result of the vote (in 3 days).
Once the result of the vote has been published I will take reservations from existing shareholders only for one week. If any shares have not been reserved after this period I will then accept reservations from new investors.
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Kalanar
Wrecking Shots Hostile Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.01 16:44:00 -
[1639]
Very interested as a new investor.
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Dagny Bronstein
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:08:00 -
[1640]
Originally by: Titans 4U We have the oppertunity to purchase another Erebus BPO that is currently in research to ME2 and will be available for purchase in the very near future.
Is this an EBANK bailout?
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.07.01 17:17:00 -
[1641]
Might be interested, will have to come by in a week or so I guess.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.01 18:27:00 -
[1642]
Originally by: Grendell Might be interested, will have to come by in a week or so I guess.
Stop filling all the offers! The rest of us would like something too ya know
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.01 19:23:00 -
[1643]
Not sure if you're taking reservations yet as I see people posting them but you said you're only taking them once the vote passes.
But, if these reservations are valid before the vote is complete, I'd like to reserve 5bil ISK worth of shares.
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Sakaali
Black Sun. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:22:00 -
[1644]
If reservations are able to be made I would like at least 3bil worth
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:29:00 -
[1645]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Grendell Might be interested, will have to come by in a week or so I guess.
Stop filling all the offers! The rest of us would like something too ya know
Lol sorry
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:30:00 -
[1646]
great, Now all we need is someone posting a passable scam and grendel posting he is considering to invest. And like greedy sheep afraid to miss out others will fill it. they'd deserve it too..
anyways,
I would like to reserve 2B Assuming the vote will pass, and that it will not be possible to leverage ebank isk into this even if this is an ebank bailout (or more likely just too nice an opportunity to pass up) (should it be possible to leverage ebank isk into this deal at a 30% conversion or better, then I would like to reserve an additional 2B)
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:46:00 -
[1647]
27,500 votes for Yes
Emmgel
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.01 20:58:00 -
[1648]
Originally by: Dalden V Not sure if you're taking reservations yet
No, I'm not taking reservations from anyone until the shareholder vote has passed.
Originally by: Kalanar Very interested as a new investor.
Please bear in mind that the previous expansion sold out entirely to existing shareholders in less than 48 hours, so you might not get a chance to invest unless you buy shares from existing shareholders either before or after the expansion.
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Nurse Tara
Lost 5ouls
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Posted - 2010.07.01 22:03:00 -
[1649]
Get your foot in the door here: See bobby's post above.
I have 50 shares of T4U to sell. Asking 1.2m each, will do direct transfer.
On another note, i'm also selling off some of my Ugly Toys. 50 shares of them up for grabs also, asking 1.1m on them.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.01 22:05:00 -
[1650]
3000 votes for yes, as I would be interested in investing 1b in this expansion as well :)
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.01 22:17:00 -
[1651]
Originally by: Nurse Tara
On another note, i'm also selling off some of my Ugly Toys. 50 shares of them up for grabs also, asking 1.1m on them.
I'll take these. Either use Bobby, or send me the shares and I'll send the ISK.
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Bryg Philomena
Don't Taze Me Bro
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Posted - 2010.07.01 23:10:00 -
[1652]
Originally by: Nurse Tara Edited by: Nurse Tara on 01/07/2010 22:30:20 Get your foot in the door here: See bobby's post above.
I have 50 shares of T4U to sell. Asking 1.2m each, will do direct transfer.
Edit> Sold 50 shares of UglyTH to Breaker77
I'll take em, contact me ingame
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.07.01 23:49:00 -
[1653]
I have a number of T4U shares that I'm willing to sell to latecomers at 1.2m/ea. Contact me in game if you're interested.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.02 11:08:00 -
[1654]
Originally by: Companion Qube I have a number of T4U shares that I'm willing to sell to latecomers at 1.2m/ea. Contact me in game if you're interested.
Don't take Qube's overpriced shares! I still have many shares available for sale at a lower price. Contact me instead!
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Tre Circuit
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Posted - 2010.07.02 20:20:00 -
[1655]
I vote Yes to expansion.
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Jan VanRijkdom
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Posted - 2010.07.02 21:18:00 -
[1656]
50 votes for yes.
That should put it over the top...
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2010.07.03 04:01:00 -
[1657]
2000 vote for yes.
I would like to reserve a new shares for 10Bil ISK.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.03 05:36:00 -
[1658]
I'm still not taking reservations until the vote completes tommorrow... but I think it's safe to say it will fill in the first week from the number of existing shareholders that have contacted me to try to get in before the end of the vote!
Thanks for the support guys, but I want to do this in the right order for ease of administration. After the joy of manually sending out 204000 shares in the original launch I've learned to be carefull!
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Rodyth
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Posted - 2010.07.03 08:24:00 -
[1659]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I'm still not taking reservations until the vote completes tommorrow... but I think it's safe to say it will fill in the first week from the number of existing shareholders that have contacted me to try to get in before the end of the vote!
Thanks for the support guys, but I want to do this in the right order for ease of administration. After the joy of manually sending out 204000 shares in the original launch I've learned to be carefull!
Hah, yeah I can imagine xD I just hope I can put my order down before some of them big guys who would single handedly almost buy em all up :p
1200 votes for yes btw.
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Misty May
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Posted - 2010.07.03 13:18:00 -
[1660]
I am looking to buy around 500 shares, please post here or send me an ingame mail. Trying to get it done this week end.
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Freak Power
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:11:00 -
[1661]
Originally by: Misty May I am looking to buy around 500 shares, please post here or send me an ingame mail. Trying to get it done this week end.
I'll sell you 500 for 600m (1.2m per share)
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Misty May
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Posted - 2010.07.03 15:16:00 -
[1662]
I already purchased them from Onyth. Thanks for the other offers.
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Gimmeurisk
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Posted - 2010.07.03 16:19:00 -
[1663]
Anyone willing to sell any shares?
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Freak Power
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Posted - 2010.07.03 17:02:00 -
[1664]
Originally by: Gimmeurisk Anyone willing to sell any shares?
How many do you want?
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Gimmeurisk
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Posted - 2010.07.03 23:20:00 -
[1665]
Originally by: Freak Power
Originally by: Gimmeurisk Anyone willing to sell any shares?
How many do you want?
I guess it depends for how much you're selling them.
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Zer'Adul
Vogon Slapsticks
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Posted - 2010.07.03 23:49:00 -
[1666]
Edited by: Zer''Adul on 03/07/2010 23:54:44 I would be interested in ~50 shares, assuming a reasonable price. Anyone interested? (Eve-mail please, as I can check evegate more often then Eve.) |
Kelltick
Interstellar KnuckleDraggers LLC INQUISITION.
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Posted - 2010.07.04 05:20:00 -
[1667]
If anyone is looking to purchase some shares, I have 500 for sale as well. Need the liquidity.
Send me an eve-mail if interested.
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Freak Power
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Posted - 2010.07.04 07:10:00 -
[1668]
Originally by: Gimmeurisk I guess it depends for how much you're selling them.
Originally by: Freak Power 1.2m per share
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:49:00 -
[1669]
The vote is bugged as usual. Will get the result after downtime.
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Onyth
Had Investments
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Posted - 2010.07.04 08:56:00 -
[1670]
Originally by: Bad Bobby The vote is bugged as usual. Will get the result after downtime.
Ah curses :p and me getting up early to get in before the shares would be gone xD
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3 14159rate
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Posted - 2010.07.04 09:00:00 -
[1671]
Stayed up til 4 a.m. here. Oh well, be back after downtime. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:06:00 -
[1672]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 04/07/2010 11:07:50
The vote completed with 98% support for creating 68000 new shares.
Existing shareholders have one week to buy shares before they are made available to the general public.
Shares are 1m per share (as before). The minimum purchase is 500 shares (500m).
The process is the same as last time:
1. Post in this thread stating the number of shares you wish to purhase. 2. I post to accept your purchase, thus confirming that you are an existing shareholder and eligable to make the purchase. 3. You send me the isk (Titans 4U). 4. I send you the shares.
Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted Companion Qube - 3000 - accepted
5500 / 68000
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:16:00 -
[1673]
Yay
I'd like to buy 1000 shares
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:23:00 -
[1674]
Can I have 1500 shares please.
Cheers
Kithran
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Trayjan
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:28:00 -
[1675]
2500 shares for me
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Onyth
Had Investments
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:37:00 -
[1676]
I'll take 4500 shares
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2010.07.04 11:43:00 -
[1677]
I'll be asking for 500 shares
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:13:00 -
[1678]
I'll take 1000, will send ISK in a few
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Rykker Bow
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:22:00 -
[1679]
I'll take 4000 shares.
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:27:00 -
[1680]
Can I purchase an odd-lot quantity to round my total position to a multiple of 500?
MDD
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:33:00 -
[1681]
yo ho
i would like to buy another 1200 shares. 1.2 bil worth me thinks.
jadun |
Onyth
Had Investments
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Posted - 2010.07.04 12:45:00 -
[1682]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop Can I purchase an odd-lot quantity to round my total position to a multiple of 500?
MDD
From what I understand you have to buy a minimum of 500 shares, not in blocks off, so unles u need under 500 to do this, I think you're allowed to.
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:10:00 -
[1683]
I would like 5,000 shares please.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:22:00 -
[1684]
Originally by: Onyth
Originally by: MailDeadDrop Can I purchase an odd-lot quantity to round my total position to a multiple of 500?
MDD
From what I understand you have to buy a minimum of 500 shares, not in blocks off, so unles u need under 500 to do this, I think you're allowed to.
Any amount over 500 is fine.
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Onyth
Had Investments
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:35:00 -
[1685]
On a quick sidenote, when are paid for shares being issued? Asap, or when all have sold?
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WredStorm
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:36:00 -
[1686]
Edited by: WredStorm on 04/07/2010 13:36:58 I'll take 1000 shares please, and yes, I currently own shares.
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Misty May
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:39:00 -
[1687]
I will take 1000 shares please.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.04 13:40:00 -
[1688]
Originally by: Onyth On a quick sidenote, when are paid for shares being issued? Asap, or when all have sold?
I'll log on T4U and send out a lot of shares in one batch, so I'll probably send out the first lot tommorrow morning.
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Laereal Sekhi
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:00:00 -
[1689]
I would like 1000 shares please.
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:11:00 -
[1690]
500 for me please.
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:11:00 -
[1691]
Edited by: Norah Sin on 04/07/2010 14:12:23 500 shares for me.
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:19:00 -
[1692]
I'll take 1,000 shares please.
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Marty Brice
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:27:00 -
[1693]
500 for me please |
Lord Schmock
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Posted - 2010.07.04 14:52:00 -
[1694]
2000 shares please (if there are still some left)
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:17:00 -
[1695]
Bobby, after our reservations are accepted, when is the latest you require the ISK by?
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Tor Kallon
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.07.04 15:40:00 -
[1696]
I'm an existing shareholder and would like to buy an additional 3000 shares, please.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:53:00 -
[1697]
Originally by: Dalden V Bobby, after our reservations are accepted, when is the latest you require the ISK by?
By the end of the week would be good.
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2010.07.04 16:58:00 -
[1698]
I'd like to reserve 700 shares please. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:03:00 -
[1699]
38900 of 68000 shares sold
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:43:00 -
[1700]
Edited by: Wengy on 04/07/2010 17:43:41 I'm an existing shareholder, and I'll take 500mil worth of shares please. Let me know if that's possible and I'll forward the Isk when you're ready.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.04 17:55:00 -
[1701]
I would like to reserve 1,500 shares. I might increase that later, though.
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BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2010.07.04 18:25:00 -
[1702]
I would like to purchase another 1000 (1b) shares.
I wont be at a computer I can send the cash from until Monday (tomorrow) though if that is alright. Wahh I broke my signature that I broke before and then it was fixed. |
Sakaali
Black Sun. WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.07.04 20:25:00 -
[1703]
3000 Shares Plz
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.07.04 22:45:00 -
[1704]
I'll take 2000 (2B isk) shares
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Tor Kallon
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse True Reign
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:01:00 -
[1705]
ISK sent for 3,000 shares. Thanks!
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Cpt Steo
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Posted - 2010.07.04 23:10:00 -
[1706]
I would like 2000 shares.
Isk sent
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Archielaus
Caldari Spawns of Thanatos Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.07.05 00:43:00 -
[1707]
Edited by: Archielaus on 05/07/2010 00:43:06 I would like to purchase 500 shares
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.05 06:53:00 -
[1708]
Originally by: Titans 4U The vote completed with 98% support for creating 68000 new shares.
Existing shareholders have one week to buy shares before they are made available to the general public.
Shares are 1m per share (as before). The minimum purchase is 500 shares (500m).
The process is the same as last time:
1. Post in this thread stating the number of shares you wish to purhase. 2. I post to accept your purchase, thus confirming that you are an existing shareholder and eligable to make the purchase. 3. You send me the isk (Titans 4U). 4. I send you the shares.
Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted Companion Qube - 3000 - accepted Pierced Brosmen - 1000 - accepted, paid Kithran - 1500 - accepted, paid Trayjan - 2500 - accepted, paid Onyth - 4500 - accepted, paid Sandrane Kipler - 500 - accepted, paid Breaker77 - 1000 - accepted, paid Rykker Bow - 4000 - accepted, paid Jadun - 1200 - accepted, paid Dalden V - 5000 - accepted, paid WredStorm - 1000 - accepted, paid Misty May - 2000 - accepted, paid Laereal Sekhi - 1000 - accepted, paid Tyranus vonCarstein - 500 - accepted Norah Sin - 500 - accepted, paid jwingenderowns - 1000 - accepted, paid Marty Brice - 500 - accepted, paid Lord Schmock - 2000 - accepted Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted, paid Bert Rebus - 700 - accepted, paid Wengy - 500 - accepted Kapila Parthalan - 1500 - accepted BoinKlasik - 1000 - accepted Sakaali - 3000 - accepted, paid Martosh Toma - 2000 - accepted Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted Cpt Steo - 2000 - accepted, paid Archielaus - 500 - accepted
52400 / 68000 leaving 15600 to buy
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.07.05 07:03:00 -
[1709]
Put me down for another 2,500 please.
Emmgel
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.05 09:01:00 -
[1710]
I'll take another 3000 I'll send isk after DT --
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2010.07.05 10:48:00 -
[1711]
I'll take 10,000 shares.
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tenmore senjes
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Posted - 2010.07.05 11:19:00 -
[1712]
Edited by: tenmore senjes on 05/07/2010 11:21:57 guess not - im a ****** in reading everything....
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.05 13:10:00 -
[1713]
I would like to reserve all of the remaining shares, an additional 1,100 shares, for a total of 2,600 shares.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.07.05 16:43:00 -
[1714]
To anyone interested, I have 1500 shares left for sale. Shoot me an evemail if interested.
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BoinKlasik
Senkei Jin
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Posted - 2010.07.06 00:24:00 -
[1715]
Isk sent Wahh I broke my signature that I broke before and then it was fixed. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:24:00 -
[1716]
I've sent shares to everyone that I have received isk from so far.
Originally by: Titans 4U The vote completed with 98% support for creating 68000 new shares.
Existing shareholders have one week to buy shares before they are made available to the general public.
Shares are 1m per share (as before). The minimum purchase is 500 shares (500m).
The process is the same as last time:
1. Post in this thread stating the number of shares you wish to purhase. 2. I post to accept your purchase, thus confirming that you are an existing shareholder and eligable to make the purchase. 3. You send me the isk (Titans 4U). 4. I send you the shares.
Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted Companion Qube - 3000 - accepted Pierced Brosmen - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kithran - 1500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Trayjan - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Onyth - 4500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sandrane Kipler - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Breaker77 - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Rykker Bow - 4000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Jadun - 1200 - accepted, paid, shares sent Dalden V - 5000 - accepted, paid, shares sent WredStorm - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Misty May - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Laereal Sekhi - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tyranus vonCarstein - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Norah Sin - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent jwingenderowns - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Marty Brice - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Lord Schmock - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Bert Rebus - 700 - accepted, paid, shares sent Wengy - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kapila Parthalan - 2600 - accepted BoinKlasik - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sakaali - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Martosh Toma - 2000 - accepted Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted Cpt Steo - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Archielaus - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Emmgel - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent RaTTuS - 2000 - accepted Miyuki Suzumiya - 10000 - accepted
68000 / 68000 reserved
Queued in case of cancelled reservations:
Shar Tegral - 2000
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.06 06:29:00 -
[1717]
I appear to have made a mistake and put Tor Kallon down on my list twice.
Shar, do you still want 2000 shares?
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PatchDay Blues
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Posted - 2010.07.06 09:01:00 -
[1718]
I was going to buy more however I did come to a private deal with an existing share owner, which means I'm now have plenty of cash to continue my eve career , and someone more active on the forums has more shares to play with
but to Bobby, thanks again - this was worth it, and a good investment it was [not spectacular but a good one never the less] |
Zelseus
Minmatar The Independant Jack
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Posted - 2010.07.06 11:50:00 -
[1719]
If I understand the last comment about double counting Kollan correctly, that means there should still be 1000 shares left? If that is indeed the case I would be interested, just let me know if I should send payment (1B) then & to which char. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:14:00 -
[1720]
Originally by: Zelseus If I understand the last comment about double counting Kollan correctly, that means there should still be 1000 shares left? If that is indeed the case I would be interested, just let me know if I should send payment (1B) then & to which char.
Yes, there are 1000 shares available. Send 1B to Titans 4U and I'll send the shares over to you. |
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:26:00 -
[1721]
Everyone who has paid up until this point should now have their shares.
Originally by: Titans 4U The vote completed with 98% support for creating 68000 new shares.
Existing shareholders have one week to buy shares before they are made available to the general public.
Shares are 1m per share (as before). The minimum purchase is 500 shares (500m).
The process is the same as last time:
1. Post in this thread stating the number of shares you wish to purhase. 2. I post to accept your purchase, thus confirming that you are an existing shareholder and eligable to make the purchase. 3. You send me the isk (Titans 4U). 4. I send you the shares.
Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted Companion Qube - 3000 - accepted Pierced Brosmen - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kithran - 1500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Trayjan - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Onyth - 4500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sandrane Kipler - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Breaker77 - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Rykker Bow - 4000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Jadun - 1200 - accepted, paid, shares sent Dalden V - 5000 - accepted, paid, shares sent WredStorm - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Misty May - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Laereal Sekhi - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tyranus vonCarstein - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Norah Sin - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent jwingenderowns - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Marty Brice - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Lord Schmock - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Bert Rebus - 700 - accepted, paid, shares sent Wengy - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kapila Parthalan - 2600 - accepted BoinKlasik - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sakaali - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Martosh Toma - 2000 - accepted Cpt Steo - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Archielaus - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Emmgel - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent RaTTuS - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Miyuki Suzumiya - 10000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Shar Tegral - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Zelseus - 1000 - accepted
68000 / 68000 reserved
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.07.06 12:54:00 -
[1722]
will sent isk tonight (after work) |
Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.06 13:27:00 -
[1723]
Transferred 2.6B ISK to Titans 4U for 2600 shares in Titans For You.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.06 14:39:00 -
[1724]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted
Can't even take the time to send ISK to yourself huh
If someone doesn't pay, I'll take up to 1 billion more if needed.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.07.06 23:14:00 -
[1725]
Confirming shares recieved
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:02:00 -
[1726]
All isk received and all shares sent.
Originally by: Titans 4U Bad Bobby - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Companion Qube - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Pierced Brosmen - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kithran - 1500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Trayjan - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Onyth - 4500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sandrane Kipler - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Breaker77 - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Rykker Bow - 4000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Jadun - 1200 - accepted, paid, shares sent Dalden V - 5000 - accepted, paid, shares sent WredStorm - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Misty May - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Laereal Sekhi - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tyranus vonCarstein - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Norah Sin - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent jwingenderowns - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Marty Brice - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Lord Schmock - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Tor Kallon - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Bert Rebus - 700 - accepted, paid, shares sent Wengy - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Kapila Parthalan - 2600 - accepted, paid, shares sent BoinKlasik - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Sakaali - 3000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Martosh Toma - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Cpt Steo - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Archielaus - 500 - accepted, paid, shares sent Emmgel - 2500 - accepted, paid, shares sent RaTTuS - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Miyuki Suzumiya - 10000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Shar Tegral - 2000 - accepted, paid, shares sent Zelseus - 1000 - accepted, paid, shares sent
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.07 08:31:00 -
[1727]
I believe the first expansion sold out in 41 hours and this one took a little longer at 49 hours. I have only myself to blame for that poor performance as I double counted a reservation and had to re-open for new investment, otherwise it would have been about 27 hours.
Thanks to all my shareholders for your continuing support! |
Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.07.07 12:42:00 -
[1728]
Confirming receipt of 2600 shares in Titans For You.
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.07 23:01:00 -
[1729]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 To anyone interested, I have 1500 shares left for sale. Shoot me an evemail if interested.
Message sent. Hopefully i can get in on this.
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Laereal Sekhi
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Posted - 2010.07.08 20:55:00 -
[1730]
Confirming receipt of 1000 shares.
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Thandormi
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Posted - 2010.07.09 18:53:00 -
[1731]
I am interested in purchasing 100 shares for 110mil, if BB is willing to process the transaction. Contact by Evemail or convo. (GMT -7)
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Quetazal
Gallente Fine Trades Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.07.10 23:25:00 -
[1732]
I also really want to buy 100 shares at 1.1 million each. please convo me pr eve mail me. thanks. I came, I saw, I downloaded. |
inferniac
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Posted - 2010.07.11 00:07:00 -
[1733]
can i buy 9 shares for 12 mill
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.07.11 14:54:00 -
[1734]
Edited by: cosmoray on 11/07/2010 14:55:37 Gratz on the quick expansion. Not many Erobus ME2 BPO's floating around. I wonder did EBANK just unload one of their assets?
What is total capitalization of T4U now?
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.07.11 18:13:00 -
[1735]
Originally by: cosmoray Edited by: cosmoray on 11/07/2010 14:55:37 Gratz on the quick expansion. Not many Erobus ME2 BPO's floating around. I wonder did EBANK just unload one of their assets?
What is total capitalization of T4U now?
I was going to ask a similar question and another related question:
How many shares are now in existance for Titans for You? What bpos does T4U now own (and what is their me/pe level)?
Also out of interest how many different shareholders are there?
Cheers
Kithran
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.11 19:13:00 -
[1736]
Originally by: Kithran
Also out of interest how many different shareholders are there?
That would be difficult, but not impossible to find out. The shareholder listing shows the names and number of shares but gives no totals so you would have to manually count everyone. If you were to look at the reservation lists on eve search there had to be a few hundred people and it's hard telling how many shares have been traded since then.
Though you can sort the listing by names or shares owned so it would be neat to find out the top 10 shareholders and the percentage they own.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.11 19:48:00 -
[1737]
Originally by: cosmoray Gratz on the quick expansion. Not many Erobus ME2 BPO's floating around.
Thanks!
Originally by: cosmoray What is total capitalization of T4U now?
342 billion.
Originally by: Kithran How many shares are now in existance for Titans for You?
342 million.
Originally by: Kithran What bpos does T4U now own (and what is their me/pe level)?
Leviathan ME1 PE0 Avatar ME1 PE0 Erebus ME1 PE0 Avatar ME2 PE0
We also have 68b in cash that is intended for the purchase of an Erebus ME2 PE0 BPO.
Originally by: Kithran Also out of interest how many different shareholders are there?
Lots.
I'm rather drunk at the moment having just returned from my 33rd birthday celebration so I'm not going to attempt a count right now.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.11 23:00:00 -
[1738]
Happy belated B-day Bad Bobby.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.11 23:11:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Titans 4U
I'm rather drunk at the moment having just returned from my 33rd birthday celebration so I'm not going to attempt a count right now.
I'm 3 weeks older than you?! Damn I feel old now.
Happy birthday!!
I'll have a drink for you to
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.12 08:42:00 -
[1740]
Happy B Day BB :) Ill be turning 30 myself in just 2 days :) cancers ftw ;)
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PJ Johnes
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.12 21:20:00 -
[1741]
Looking to buy some Shares, anyone selling? ---------------------------------- The end justifies the means |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.12 21:36:00 -
[1742]
I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
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inferniac
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Posted - 2010.07.13 13:24:00 -
[1743]
Originally by: Ji Sama I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
can i buy 5 share from you
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Konoch
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.07.13 19:48:00 -
[1744]
Originally by: Ji Sama I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
Allow me some time to draw up the cash but i may well have intrest of 200 shares at that price. Thats a bit more than i was lookign to spend but i'd do it if this pays out like it appears to.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.07.13 21:05:00 -
[1745]
Originally by: Konoch
Originally by: Ji Sama I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
Allow me some time to draw up the cash but i may well have intrest of 200 shares at that price. Thats a bit more than i was lookign to spend but i'd do it if this pays out like it appears to.
yo ho
Well, allow me to show you a very very good investmet as good as this 1.
You, Sir. Seem like the kinda guy that would have great need for a nice Bridge with a teriffic view.
I will draw up some investment plans to you to you soon.
jadun
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.13 22:10:00 -
[1746]
Originally by: inferniac
Originally by: Ji Sama I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
can i buy 5 share from you
Sure, send the ISK with an Eve Mail, and ill transfer the shares to you...
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inferniac
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Posted - 2010.07.14 07:07:00 -
[1747]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: inferniac
Originally by: Ji Sama I can sell you any amount you want, at 1.5M per share.
can i buy 5 share from you
Sure, send the ISK with an Eve Mail, and ill transfer the shares to you...
isk sent awaiting share
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.14 11:26:00 -
[1748]
7 shares sent, 426785.94 ISK refunded!
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.14 15:22:00 -
[1749]
I've got shares available for 1.49mil per share.
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PJ Johnes
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.07.14 23:12:00 -
[1750]
Anyone selling for 1.2? ---------------------------------- The end justifies the means |
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Wengy
Gallente Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.07.15 02:15:00 -
[1751]
I've got any amount up to 400 shares, that I'll part with for 1.35 mil a share.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:12:00 -
[1752]
Selling at 1.25 if anyone is interested.
Emmgel
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.15 07:38:00 -
[1753]
I'll do blocks of 10-50 Shares
make me an offer and/or send me the isk and I'll either refund the isk or pass on the shares
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Uagen Zlepe
Caldari Unknown Soldiers The Spire Collective
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Posted - 2010.07.16 04:33:00 -
[1754]
anyone selling? please contact me ingame for transfer will confirm here looking to pay 1.25 AKA Chevelle/Necronom/The Highlanders
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Vision. The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.07.16 09:04:00 -
[1755]
I am currently looking to sell 2100 shares at 1.25mil per share. Ideally to be sold in one whole batch or as large a batch as possible (due to lazyness and a PI induced allergy to clicking more than I really need to). |
Psy Te'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.07.16 16:42:00 -
[1756]
Originally by: Uagen Zlepe anyone selling? please contact me ingame for transfer will confirm here looking to pay 1.25
I can sell you 750 shares. You take the whole lot, I'll sell for 900mil (1.2/share)
Contact me ingame tonight (about 4 hours from now) or if Bad Bobby will do the transaction, send him the isk
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Terrare Vordai
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Posted - 2010.07.16 20:02:00 -
[1757]
I am willing to sell 1700 shares at 1.3M each. Convo me. I will update this post if/when they sell.
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Zilkin
Humans from Earth Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 20:08:00 -
[1758]
Edited by: Zilkin on 19/07/2010 20:14:43 o/ im lookin to buy 100 shares @ 1.2mill per share
if anybody wants to sell convo me in game
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Doctor Whiteface
Snow Blind Inc.
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Posted - 2010.07.19 23:44:00 -
[1759]
Originally by: Terrare Vordai I am willing to sell 1700 shares at 1.3M each. Convo me. I will update this post if/when they sell.
Per in game discussion, I'd be interested in all of them, if we could get Bobby to broker the transaction.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.07.20 07:49:00 -
[1760]
I have thousands, will sell at 1.25m/each
Emmgel
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RaTTuS
BIG Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2010.07.20 07:57:00 -
[1761]
shares for aution --
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Emnity Preston
Caldari Vision. The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2010.07.20 08:48:00 -
[1762]
2100 T4U shares for sale at 1.2m ea.
Sale thread:-
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1356349
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.21 10:48:00 -
[1763]
The ME2 Erebus Titan BPO has arrived at the SuperSekrit POS, the lockdown vote has begun and it has started copying.
Originally by: Titans 4U Products For Sale
1. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
2. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered by pre-order.
3. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered by pre-order.
4. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due JULY 2010 and has been SOLD by pre-order.
5. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
6. RAGNAROK BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
7. EREBUS BPC at ME1 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 10.5 BILLION.
8. AVATAR BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
9. RAGNAROK BPC at ME0 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
10. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 has been SOLD and delivered.
11. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE0 is due AUGUST 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 8 BILLION.
12. AVATAR BPC at ME1 PE0 is due SEPTEMBER 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 7.5 BILLION.
13. EREBUS BPC at ME2 PE1 has been SOLD and delivered.
14. EREBUS BPC at ME2 PE1 has been SOLD and delivered.
15. AVATAR BPC at ME2 PE1 has been SOLD and delivered.
16. EREBUS BPC at ME2 PE0 is due NOVEMBER 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 11 BILLION.
17. LEVIATHAN BPC at ME1 PE0 is due NOVEMBER 2010 and is AVAILABLE for pre-order at 7 BILLION.
You can expect a dividend from the delivery of item #4 in the next two weeks.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.21 11:20:00 -
[1764]
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
6510m (of 7000m profits) expected soon(tm) between 342,000 shares (1.90%)
Dividends expected from future sales:
August - Erebus (#7) and Avatar (#11) September - Avatar (#12) October - None November - Erebus (#16) and Leviathan (#17)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:10:00 -
[1765]
As you might expect, I keep a close eye on all public Titan BPC trading in EVE. Through my various discussions and dealings with BPC buyers, seller, producers, resellers and speculators I have learned a great deal about the marketplace and the players within it. I can't claim to know everything but I do have a pretty good understanding... more so than most people at least.
I've found it to be a fairly entertaining market to deal in and I've seen a lot of funny things happen. Generally I don't share these things with many others because they concern market knowledge that I wish to protect, but here is something that has been providing me with some amusement for a few days and I thought I'd share it with you all...
Back on 2010.07.09, WallStArb started this thread seeking to sell an Erebus BPC at ME2 PE1 for 15b. He has since edited out the op and thread title, so I'll leave it to the interested reader to track down the original text, but in it he made the following claims:
- ME2 saves over 6b compared to ME0
- PE1 drastically reduces production time
Obviously these claims were somewhat spurrious and a fairly poor attempt at justifying an over-the-top pricetag on the item.
ME2 is great and all that but it doesn't save you 6b. My napkin maths (I am terrible at maths mind you, so correct me if I'm wrong) suggests that you would have to be paying 90b in components to produce an Erebus from an ME0 BPC in order for ME2 to save you that much.
PE1 shaves off about 5 days in production time from the finished Erebus if you aren't using the 4% manufacturing time implant and less if you are. I suppose it depends on your definition of drastic.
Now obviously, as you can see by reading the thread, these claims were met with the ridicule they deserved.
So WallStArb edited out his post, removed the thread title... and on 2010.07.10 he created a new thread to sell exactly the same item. The posts in that thread have been edited quite a bit so you can't see the whole story from what is there now, but the spurrious claims and shennanigans continued.
He originally put it up with some silly reserve in an open ended sale and then used an alt Recoleta (who was not showing her corp ticker at the time) to make the starting bid. Obviously this was noticed immediately and Celi Annor (a regular Titan BPC reseller) posted to that effect and was followed by several others, the chain of redicule continued. Some moderation and post editing later and this dishonesty had been hidden from view. No honest bids had occured by that point.
So next WallStArb changes it from a straight sale to an auction, changes down yet another gear on the pricing and we get to roughly what you can see now. They get a bidding war going between Grace Malley and Celi Annor until it hits 10b. As an aside, this is how long it takes to get 10b for this kind of BPC in the current market if you know what you are doing.
Not content with 10b in (possibly) legitimate bids, WallStArb decides to start an ingame auction with a 10b starting bid, a 12b buyout and an end date later than the forum auction. Given that Grace Malley had a 10b bid in place via the forum thread prior to this there was a danger that that bid would get knocked out by one in-game... but Grace got their first and secured a matching bid on the in-game auction.
So now the forum thread is only really fit for one purpose, trolling and ridiculing the comedy of errors that is CyberDyne R-D, since there is no point making bids in it anymore. So WallStArb treats us to an idiotic/inaccurate (take your pick) analysis of the Erebus BPC market to fuel the flames.
Twits.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.21 15:45:00 -
[1766]
Originally by: Bad Bobby this is how long it takes to get 10b for this kind of BPC in the current market if you know what you are doing.
9 minutes?
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Freak Power
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Posted - 2010.07.21 17:24:00 -
[1767]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby this is how long it takes to get 10b for this kind of BPC in the current market if you know what you are doing.
9 minutes?
It looks effortless in that thread. There is no hint of how much activity was going on behind the scenes.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.07.21 19:12:00 -
[1768]
Originally by: EveMail Re: Re: Erebus BPC ME:2 PE:1 From: WallStArb Sent: 2010.07.21 18:55 To: Titans 4U,
You know not what you speak of... we are 100% turstworthy... but whatever you loss!
Speak of dishonest.... Contrats on your scam BTW and good luck with it.
-------------------------------- Re: Erebus BPC ME:2 PE:1 From: Titans 4U Sent: 2010.07.21 18:21 To: WallStArb,
Hi,
Given your dishonest business practices you can assume that I and those that I represent will never want to deal with you in any way.
Regards,
Titans 4U
-------------------------------- Erebus BPC ME:2 PE:1 From: WallStArb Sent: 2010.07.21 16:23 To: Titans 4U,
Any interest in buying this? If so make an offer. Thanks
Definition: Turst
WallStArb, it appears, is a master of self ownage.
Loney, please tell me he's your idiot brother-in-law and you are only using him out of sympathy.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Companion Trollin
You are going too fast
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:10:00 -
[1769]
Look at it this way, at least he didn't abuse anyone's thrust.
♥
Originally by: CCP Shadow Off-topic posts dealing with sexual orientation have been removed. Please keep this discussion on-topic.
Thanks.
-- Shadow
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:30:00 -
[1770]
As much as reading the mail made me laugh, I would have rather not known the definition
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.21 20:37:00 -
[1771]
Originally by: Companion Trollin Look at it this way, at least he didn't abuse anyone's thrust.
hey thats a copyrighted phrase :(
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.07.22 05:49:00 -
[1772]
Originally by: Ji Sama hey thats a copyrighted phrase :(
Yeah.
That arab guy launched a bond a few years back, defaulted on the payments, eventually paid back the principle months later and Loney stood around claiming indifference and no affiliation.
As thrustworthy as an EVE banker...
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Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.25 20:21:00 -
[1773]
I was not aware that you were allowed to scam people on the forums. With that said, by not making public the FULL API of all the involved parties you make yourself look like a scammer.
Also when you said "As it takes 4 months to copy a Titan BPC with a max skilled character using a POS lab and fitted with a copy time implant it will only be possible to generate profits every 4 months."
I cried a little inside.
How are we supposed to trust somebody who dosent even let people see his face? Also why the hell would you be worried about the pos being attacked? If the corp and it's members are secret then there is no way anybody will be able to war dec the corp and get rights to attack the pos.
Unless your incredibly stupid and actually built the pos, that's making the titan BPC in null or low sec. "My name is legion, for we are many" |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.25 21:23:00 -
[1774]
Dear Xenuria, It took me the longest time trying to figure out who you were talking to as this project has been going on for a while now. Then, suddenly, I realized that you are a buffoon and don't know what you are talking about. Once I realized that, your post made much sense. Originally by: Xenuria I was not aware that you were allowed to scam people on the forums. With that said, by not making public the FULL API of all the involved parties you make yourself look like a scammer.
You have to be trolling. Even I can't presume someone is stupid enough to think that making FULL API's (even partial API's) public makes any rational sense at all. In case you are wondering, I am one of those involved and no, there will never be a public disclosure on my part of my Api Key(s). Ever. (Not that it would matter much in this instance .) Originally by: Xenuria Also when you said "As it takes 4 months to copy a Titan BPC with a max skilled character using a POS lab and fitted with a copy time implant it will only be possible to generate profits every 4 months."
I cried a little inside.
Can you do the crying a little bit more in public. Only then might we care and only for the lulz. Originally by: Xenuria How are we supposed to trust somebody who dosent even let people see his face? Also why the hell would you be worried about the pos being attacked? If the corp and it's members are secret then there is no way anybody will be able to war dec the corp and get rights to attack the pos.
So which should it it be? Keep the facilities secret to protect the investment or not keep it secret to unprotect the investment. Sadly it is hard to tell which one you think is the smart(er) choice. But then, you've not demonstrated much in the way of good logic yet. Originally by: Xenuria Unless your incredibly stupid and actually built the pos, that's making the titan BPC in null or low sec.
Interesting you should wonder if someone is incredibly stupid. One of life's little ironies I would say. The only thing actually missing in your post is a point. Are you saying you won't invest in Titans4u? If so, then try to be clear about that. We'll all happily ignore your silliness then and go back to buying up available shares without worrying (in the least) about you. Or was there some other point you'd like to make in your uniquely inane style?
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.07.25 21:32:00 -
[1775]
Originally by: Xenuria Also why the hell would you be worried about the pos being attacked? If the corp and it's members are secret then there is no way anybody will be able to war dec the corp and get rights to attack the pos.
Yeah there is no way that people in EVE go around and randomly wardec corps for ****s and giggles. Though the odds of finding 1 specific POS in an unknown corp in highsec is very very low, given enough time (years perhaps) it would be found, but the attackers would have no idea it was being used to copy titan BPOs.
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Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.25 21:55:00 -
[1776]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Xenuria Also why the hell would you be worried about the pos being attacked? If the corp and it's members are secret then there is no way anybody will be able to war dec the corp and get rights to attack the pos.
Yeah there is no way that people in EVE go around and randomly wardec corps for ****s and giggles. Though the odds of finding 1 specific POS in an unknown corp in highsec is very very low, given enough time (years perhaps) it would be found, but the attackers would have no idea it was being used to copy titan BPOs.
Thanks, I appreciate you reading my post instead of making stupid trollish remarks like some people in this thread. It is silly to have the pos in low sec because it can be attacked by more people. The statistical chances of somebody war declaring the right corp and then somehow finding the hidden pos in high sec is extremely low.
Also even if this thing is not a scam the people behind it are going about it in a very unprofessional and suspicious. I am not going to invest in anybody or let anybody join my corp without a full API. I had to learn that the hard way when some spy got into my corp and attacked my vexor with one of his own while I was missioning. I survived obviously but I now require a letter of recommendation and a partial api from all applicants. "My name is legion, for we are many" |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:36:00 -
[1777]
Originally by: Xenuria Also even if this thing is not a scam the people behind it are going about it in a very unprofessional and suspicious. I am not going to invest in anybody or let anybody join my corp without a full API.
What do you know about professional behavior in Eve? See, you presume that since someone does not give you their API that they've not passed through any inspection. But the problem is, who the bloody hell are you that we should care? Now, you'll probably assume that this is trolling but it is a very valid question. When someone gives over their API key they are trusting the recipient. So, somehow we are to trust you just because you say we should? Do you not see the hypocrisy here? You offer us nothing in the way of trust but you want us to trust you? Now, before you get really bent out of shape, none of us know you. However almost everyone involved here is well known for a very long time. Between us we've had numerous audits inspecting our characters and interactions. Most of us have long histories and have weathered many a challenge to our individual and mutual credibility. Just because you can't be arsed to do the research does not make us unprofessional or secretive. It might make you look very much like a buffoon though. So, stop being a jackass and a troll would you? My first suggestion: Acquire a brain before you post as to date your opinion(s) and advice(s) have been below average in intellect. Way below. PS: I think Titans4U can do well without your investment. In fact, I think you would be a detriment - to this project, to your alliance, and to your corp. I hope your CEO recruits more people, you obviously ruin the IQ bell curve.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.25 22:51:00 -
[1778]
Obivous troll is obvious, I know for a fact that Bobby is in Hydra, and I also know for a fact, that Hydra is filled with intelligent people, therefore the only logical conclusion is that of Abort Retry Fail!
Also you argument is invalid, since my hair is shaped as a falcon!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:29:00 -
[1779]
Originally by: Xenuria I TROLLZ U LOLZ ROFL NOTSUREIFSERIOUS.JPG
Consider this confirmation of your promotion to the next circle of the order of the dragon.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.07.26 11:34:00 -
[1780]
Originally by: Xenuria The statistical chances of somebody war declaring the right corp and then somehow finding the hidden pos in high sec is extremely low.
And yet those same statistics say it will happen, given enough time.
Free jumpclone service|1092 stations! |
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.07.30 15:19:00 -
[1781]
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Xenuria The statistical chances of somebody war declaring the right corp and then somehow finding the hidden pos in high sec is extremely low.
And yet those same statistics say it will happen, given enough time.
Probability does not work that way!
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.07.30 16:03:00 -
[1782]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Xenuria The statistical chances of somebody war declaring the right corp and then somehow finding the hidden pos in high sec is extremely low.
And yet those same statistics say it will happen, given enough time.
Probability does not work that way!
WTS: 20000 T4U Shares @ 1.5M/each
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.07.30 21:10:00 -
[1783]
yo ho
buying T4U shares at base Price 1 mil per share. Up to 2 Bil.
Jadun
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.07.31 02:53:00 -
[1784]
I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
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Hridaya Ra
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Posted - 2010.07.31 16:59:00 -
[1785]
Selling up to 900 shares @ 1.3 M
Eve mail is probably best point of contact
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Zamestian Han
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:53:00 -
[1786]
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
I'd like to buy 1000 shares at 1.2m. I will send iskies directly to you if you accept.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.07.31 17:55:00 -
[1787]
Originally by: Zamestian Han
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
I'd like to buy 1000 shares at 1.2m. I will send iskies directly to you if you accept.
That's fine with me.
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Zamestian Han
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:00:00 -
[1788]
Originally by: Companion Qube
Originally by: Zamestian Han
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
I'd like to buy 1000 shares at 1.2m. I will send iskies directly to you if you accept.
That's fine with me.
Iskies sent and shares received. Thank you.
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Zamestian Han
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:16:00 -
[1789]
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
Can i buy 2000 more @ 1.2m?
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.07.31 18:16:00 -
[1790]
Edited by: Companion Qube on 31/07/2010 18:24:16
Originally by: Zamestian Han
Originally by: Companion Qube I'm going to liquidate 5000 shares in the near future, most likely by auctioning them in blocks. If anyone wants to save me the hassle and buy some early at 1.2m/ea let me know. Evemail is best, I'm often idle when I'm online.
Can i buy 2000 more @ 1.2m?
Certainly.
edit: thanks for another smooth transaction - 2000 shares left here if anyone's interested.
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Annabelle Horiz
New Horizon Investments
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Posted - 2010.08.01 09:45:00 -
[1791]
Looking to sell 1500 T4U shares @ 1m each. [NHI] Investing in the sunny days of tomorrow. |
Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.01 12:20:00 -
[1792]
Originally by: Annabelle Horiz Looking to sell 1500 T4U shares @ 1m each.
yo ho will take them, sent shares or contact bad bobby for transver.
jadun
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:12:00 -
[1793]
yo ho
1,5 bil sent to bad bobby for 1500 t4u shares from annabelle horiz
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Annabelle Horiz
New Horizon Investments
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Posted - 2010.08.01 14:54:00 -
[1794]
I have contacted Bad Bobby and transferred the 1500 shares to him. [NHI] Investing in the sunny days of tomorrow. |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:14:00 -
[1795]
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
1,5 bil sent to bad bobby for 1500 t4u shares from annabelle horiz
Originally by: Annabelle Horiz I have contacted Bad Bobby and transferred the 1500 shares to him.
I'm logging on now...
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:19:00 -
[1796]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
1,5 bil sent to bad bobby for 1500 t4u shares from annabelle horiz
Originally by: Annabelle Horiz I have contacted Bad Bobby and transferred the 1500 shares to him.
I'm logging on now...
Done.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.01 15:28:00 -
[1797]
7,000,000,000 received as the balance on a pre-order
420,000,000 (6%) sent to me 70,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
6,510,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
None
Dividends expected from future sales:
August - Erebus (#7) and Avatar (#11) September - Avatar (#12) October - None November - Erebus (#16) and Leviathan (#17)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.01 18:35:00 -
[1798]
1,600,000,000 received as deposit on a pre-order
96,000,000 (6%) sent to me 16,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
1,488,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%) 1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
5952m (of 6400m profits) expected on 2010.08.16 between 342,000 shares (1.74%) for Avatar (#11)
Dividends expected from future sales:
August - Erebus (#7) September - Avatar (#12) October - None November - Erebus (#16) and Leviathan (#17)
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.08.02 07:37:00 -
[1799]
Confirming receipt of both dividends above.
Kithran
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.02 16:44:00 -
[1800]
Selling 4000 shares @ 1.3 mil each
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.08.02 20:47:00 -
[1801]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Dividend history: 4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%) 1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%)
What does that work out to for an investor who has held shares since inception a year ago? 0.85%?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.03 11:24:00 -
[1802]
Originally by: Breaker77 Selling 4000 shares @ 1.3 mil each
100 shares pending sale.
3900 shares left!!
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.03 14:50:00 -
[1803]
Confirming receipt of payments of 1.90% and 0.44% on 2010.08.01.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.08.03 21:07:00 -
[1804]
Still looking to unload 2515 shares at 1.2m/ea. Evemail me if you're interested.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.06 17:08:00 -
[1805]
Logged in to receive some juicy dividends. TYVM. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you. |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.09 18:42:00 -
[1806]
8,000,000,000 received from a sale
480,000,000 (6%) sent to me 80,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
7,440,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%) 1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%) 7440m (of 8000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.09 between 342,000 shares (2.17%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
5952m (of 6400m profits) expected on 2010.08.16 between 342,000 shares (1.74%) for Avatar (#11)
Dividends expected from future sales:
September - Avatar (#12) October - None November - Erebus (#16) and Leviathan (#17)
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.08.09 18:47:00 -
[1807]
Confirm recepit of the latest dividend.
Kithan
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:32:00 -
[1808]
confirming isk received - thx :)
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.09 19:39:00 -
[1809]
nom nom nom
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.11 23:54:00 -
[1810]
Confirming receipt of payment of 2.18% on 2010.08.09.
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Hridaya Ra
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Posted - 2010.08.13 22:43:00 -
[1811]
Selling 800 shares @ 1.2 M
Eve-mail please!
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United Tech
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Posted - 2010.08.14 03:37:00 -
[1812]
looking to buy 200 shares at 1.2mil per share.
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Scaevolla
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Posted - 2010.08.14 14:05:00 -
[1813]
How does one become involved in this investment ( be kind im new )
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.14 15:14:00 -
[1814]
Edited by: Estel Arador on 14/08/2010 15:16:01
Originally by: Scaevolla How does one become involved in this investment ( be kind im new )
All shares have been sold, so the only way to get involved is to buy shares (usually at a premium) from a current shareholder.
Titans4U might expand occasionally and issue more shares, but in such cases existing shareholders will get the right the buy the shares before non-shareholders. Usually that means that all new shares will go to existing shareholders.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not involved in Titans4U (other than as a very minor shareholder) and do not represent Titans4U. I simply knew the answer to your question.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.14 17:35:00 -
[1815]
1,000,000,000 received as a deposit on a pre-order
60,000,000 (6%) sent to me 10,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
930,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%) 1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%) 7440m (of 8000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.09 between 342,000 shares (2.17%) 930m (of 1000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.14 between 342,000 shares (0.27%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
5952m (of 6400m profits) expected in August between 342,000 shares (1.74%) for Avatar (#11) 6045m (of 6500m profits) expected in September between 342,000 shares (1.76%) for Avatar (#12)
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.08.14 20:18:00 -
[1816]
Originally by: United Tech looking to buy 200 shares at 1.2mil per share.
I've filled this order - if anyone else is interested in T4U shares I have 2275 left at 1.2m per.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.08.14 20:59:00 -
[1817]
Confirm dividend received.
Kithran
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.15 00:21:00 -
[1818]
Confirming receipt of payment of 0.27% on 2010.08.14.
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Saoirse McToal
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Posted - 2010.08.15 11:16:00 -
[1819]
I'd like to buy 50 shares - anyone got any for sale and how do we go about it
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Borakh Tieberius
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2010.08.15 22:56:00 -
[1820]
Cross posting - 200 shares, auction, 1.1m each: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1368272&page=1
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Jovan Geldon
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Posted - 2010.08.16 20:37:00 -
[1821]
Originally by: Companion Qube if anyone else is interested in T4U shares I have 2275 left at 1.2m per.
I'll take 125 shares off your hands for 150mil, convo me in game.
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Captain Siria
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Posted - 2010.08.16 23:59:00 -
[1822]
Confirming receipt of 250 shares from Companion Qube.
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Cyras DeValera
Gallente Midnight Ballistics
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Posted - 2010.08.17 00:10:00 -
[1823]
Confirming receipt of 83 shares from Companion Qube w/o broker. -CdV
".. the common denominator of the Universe is not harmony, but chaos, hostility and murder." - Werner Herzog |
Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.08.17 00:12:00 -
[1824]
I have slightly over 1900 shares remaining at 1.2m/ea, around 400 of those are spoken for and I'm currently connecting with buyers to finalize sales.
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Jeddeita
Minmatar Lead Farmers Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:10:00 -
[1825]
Originally by: Companion Qube Edited by: Companion Qube on 17/08/2010 05:26:31 I have slightly over 1700 shares remaining at 1.2m/ea, around 200 of those are spoken for and I'm currently connecting with buyers to finalize sales.
I'd like to get 250 of those shares off of you for 300M. Will convo you when I see you online to discuss. ---------- EVEStuff.net - High Quality Corp & Alliance Web Hosting |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.17 11:41:00 -
[1826]
6,400,000,000 received as the balance on a pre-order
384,000,000 (6%) sent to me 64,000,000 (1%) sent to trustee
5,952,000,000 (93%) distributed as dividend to shareholders
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%) 1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%) 1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%) 5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%) 5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%) 6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%) 1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%) 7440m (of 8000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.09 between 342,000 shares (2.17%) 930m (of 1000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.14 between 342,000 shares (0.27%) 5952m (of 6400m profits) distributed on 2010.08.17 between 342,000 shares (1.74%)
Dividends expected from pre-orders:
6045m (of 6500m profits) expected in September between 342,000 shares (1.76%) for Avatar (#12)
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.17 12:19:00 -
[1827]
Originally by: Companion Qube Edited by: Companion Qube on 17/08/2010 05:26:31 I have slightly over 1700 shares remaining at 1.2m/ea, around 200 of those are spoken for and I'm currently connecting with buyers to finalize sales.
I will take 300 shares for 360 million, please.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.17 13:14:00 -
[1828]
Confirming receipt of payment of 1.74% on 2010.08.17.
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Lecksi
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:50:00 -
[1829]
Hey BB need you to fasiltate a share transfer if you could of 2600 shares from phoebe halliwel to my self, ill send you the isk and he will send you the shares hope you can help
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.08.17 17:51:00 -
[1830]
Lecksi - 2600 T4U shares @ 1.10m each = 2.86b
2600 shares sent to Bad Bobby
Cheers
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Xenuria
Gallente The Sanatarium
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:15:00 -
[1831]
Now I could be completley misunderstanding how this works here but I think you guys are forgetting something.
Alot of people have invested shares and I am fairly sure that there are more people investing shares then their are titans in the game at this point in time.
So with that said...
How do you expect to guarantee that peoples shares will result in titans? What stops you from just taking peoples shares and not giving them anything..
I am sorry I just do not understand how this is legit.
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Zenon Mu
Advanced Assemblies and Sciences
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:22:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Xenuria Now I could be completley misunderstanding how this works here
Yes.
The answer you are looking for is in the very beginning of it all, the first post. No not FIRST!, the 0th.
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Dezolf
Minmatar DAX Action Stance
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:27:00 -
[1833]
Originally by: Xenuria Now I could be completley misunderstanding how this works here but I think you guys are forgetting something.
Alot of people have invested shares and I am fairly sure that there are more people investing shares then their are titans in the game at this point in time.
So with that said...
How do you expect to guarantee that peoples shares will result in titans? What stops you from just taking peoples shares and not giving them anything..
I am sorry I just do not understand how this is legit.
Wow. Seriously? Did you even care to read the OP? I feel trolled.
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Lecksi
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.08.17 19:30:00 -
[1834]
Edited by: Lecksi on 17/08/2010 19:31:27 2.86 bill sent to bad bobby for 2600 T4U shares from pheobie halliwell
Posted - 2010.08.17 17:51:00 - [1829] - QuoteReport Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Lecksi - 2600 T4U shares @ 1.10m each = 2.86b
2600 shares sent to Bad Bobby
Cheers
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Lecksi - 2600 T4U shares @ 1.10m each = 2.86b
2600 shares sent to Bad Bobby
Cheers
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Jovan Geldon
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Posted - 2010.08.17 21:53:00 -
[1835]
Confirming receipt of 125 shares from Companion Qube for 150mil.
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Jeddeita
Minmatar Lead Farmers Wrong Alliance
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Posted - 2010.08.17 22:00:00 -
[1836]
Originally by: Xenuria I am sorry I just do not understand how this is legit.
Right...
Confirming Companion Qube delivered on my 250 Shares. ---------- EVEStuff.net - High Quality Corp & Alliance Web Hosting |
Xornicon Altair
Woopatang Primary.
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Posted - 2010.08.18 06:44:00 -
[1837]
I am interested in purchasing a number of T4U Shares. If you are considering selling, please feel free to contact me by EVE Mail to discuss a number and price. ----- CCP FAILS AGAIN! WHERE ARE THE ALLIANCE LOGOS??? |
Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.19 09:43:00 -
[1838]
Originally by: Companion Qube Edited by: Companion Qube on 17/08/2010 05:26:31 I have slightly over 1700 shares remaining at 1.2m/ea, around 200 of those are spoken for and I'm currently connecting with buyers to finalize sales.
Hi Companion. I want to buy all your remaining shares at 1.2, around 1500? I saw your convo the other day, but you where offline when I answered and yesterday you wasn't online, may be we can use evemail?
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.20 15:05:00 -
[1839]
Hi BB:
I¦d like you to broker a share exchange.
2040 millions sent to you in exchange of 1700 T4U shares at 1,2 millions per share, property of Onyth.
You will receive the money from Milking Interestellar Incorporated.
Thank you.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.21 07:02:00 -
[1840]
Originally by: Philip Ogtaulmolfi Hi BB:
I¦d like you to broker a share exchange.
2040 millions sent to you in exchange of 1700 T4U shares at 1,2 millions per share, property of Onyth.
You will receive the money from Milking Interestellar Incorporated.
Thank you.
Exchange completed.
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.21 09:21:00 -
[1841]
Confirming I received 1700 T4U shares.
Thank you very much.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 10:25:00 -
[1842]
Now we have sold all our BPCs until November, I'm once again looking to expansion. I'd like to discuss this with my current and potential investors and then put it to the normal shareholder vote.
Up until now all our expansions have been made by raising new funds. I'd like to start moving away from that and starting moving towards Titans For You growing itself. What I'd like to do is start a fund within Titans For You that will be used to buy and re-sell Titan BPCs with the proceeds going back into Titans For You rather than being paid out in dividends. These re-invested profits would then be used, in the longer term, to buy new BPOs. The BPOs purchased would then be put into copying and produce dividends for investors in the same way as our existing BPOs.
I'm thinking of raising 108b with some of that going to the purchase of a new BPO and the remainder being used to start this new fund. As a result we would be looking at Titans For You reaching 450b with around 410b paying dividends directly and 40b being used in this new growth fund.
Let me know what you think.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:13:00 -
[1843]
yo ho
It sounds like a good idea. I am sure it would make isk.
Question. Who would get acess to the fund ?
P.S. I would like to input 8-10 Billion isk into the new expansion.
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Onyth
Had Holdings
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Posted - 2010.08.22 11:33:00 -
[1844]
So this would mean that on longer term divident payments will go up, yes?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 12:14:00 -
[1845]
Originally by: Jadun Who would get acess to the fund ?
Just me.
The BPCs and isk involved would not be protected by the trustees in a hit-by-a-bus scenario, but as it is less than 10% of the IPO the impact would be limited.
Originally by: Onyth So this would mean that on longer term divident payments will go up, yes?
That's the plan.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.22 13:04:00 -
[1846]
Sounds like a sensible option, which I would support. I would also be interested in increasing my current investment by another 10 billion.
With regard to the effectively unsecured 10% mentioned, I'm happy to offer any such assistance as would be helpful.
Emmgel
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.22 14:37:00 -
[1847]
Sounds like a good idea Bobby, would be willing to throw 5-7B after it.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:42:00 -
[1848]
Attention Shareholders!
I will start a three day shareholder vote for the creation of 108,000 shares.
Vote YES if you want the expansion to go ahead.
Vote NO if you do not want the expansion to go ahead.
As before, if the vote passes I will be allowing existing shareholders one week to purchase shares before they are made available to new investors.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:48:00 -
[1849]
Voted yes.
Can I reserve 1 bil ;)
Cheers
Kithran
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:52:00 -
[1850]
Subject to vote being passed, can I reserve 10,400 shares please.
Many thanks.
Emmgel
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:53:00 -
[1851]
35000 votes for yes
I'll be investing a further 10b myself.
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max ikabon
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:55:00 -
[1852]
ok,i voted yes i would like to reserve 2bil
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.22 16:57:00 -
[1853]
Reservations
10,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon
Total: 23,400 of 108,000
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:08:00 -
[1854]
yo ho
7200 votes for yes
I would like to invest 8 billion for sure.
might go up to 10 depending on timing.
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AnthonyKiedis
Goldmen's Sacks
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:15:00 -
[1855]
Edited by: AnthonyKiedis on 22/08/2010 17:15:30 Voted yes, I'd like to reserve 4,500 shares
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:18:00 -
[1856]
18000 votes for yes.
Also reserving 5B worth of shares.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:18:00 -
[1857]
Voted yes, please can I reserve 2001 shares.
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Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:21:00 -
[1858]
Voted :)
Can I reserve 600m isk of shares
*Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Lord Schmock
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:22:00 -
[1859]
voted yes
5000 shares please
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Marbo Slyder
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:28:00 -
[1860]
yes and
5 bil reservation pls
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jwingenderowns
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Posted - 2010.08.22 17:59:00 -
[1861]
I'll reserve 1,000 shares please.
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Morrow Borric
Minmatar Morrow Prime Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:04:00 -
[1862]
I would like to reserve 1,000 shares please. ------------------------------------------ "I used to play Eve Online because I enjoyed how it made me feel, now I play to stop from getting sick." |
GX307
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:14:00 -
[1863]
Voted yea and would like to reserve 1B in shares please.
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:25:00 -
[1864]
1bil in shares vote YES.
I want to reserve 4 bil on the expansion.
Regards,
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Banque
Lonely Pear Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:33:00 -
[1865]
Voting yes later today Would like to reserve 200 shares please Thanks
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Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:36:00 -
[1866]
As an existing shareholder I'd like to pre-order 600 shares please.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:37:00 -
[1867]
5bill please
-----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****. |
Marijke Mcneely
Caldari Apex Consortium DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:48:00 -
[1868]
hi there i already own some shares but i wanna order 300more shares when the come out greets marijke
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Zilkin
Humans from Earth Looney Toons.
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Posted - 2010.08.22 18:55:00 -
[1869]
voted yes
i would like to reserve 450 shares plz
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Gagarthoe III
Flagship Universal Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:13:00 -
[1870]
Reserving 1B worth of shares.
Thx
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.22 19:29:00 -
[1871]
A few questions about the expansion: Do you have a specific BPO in mind to be purchased with this expansion, and if so, what is it? What are the expected profits from the BPC investments and how quickly do you think the fund will grow?
Pending the vote, I would like to reserve 7,000 shares, and possibly more depending on how much cash I have free. How soon will you need payment for the shares?
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Teura
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:24:00 -
[1872]
I'd like to reserve 200 shares, please. |
Onyth
Had Holdings
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:51:00 -
[1873]
I'd like to reserve 2000 shares
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Trayjan
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Posted - 2010.08.22 20:55:00 -
[1874]
voted yes.
i would like to reserve 4000 shares.
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Biff Hanran
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Posted - 2010.08.22 21:40:00 -
[1875]
I would like to reserve 1900 shares.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Academy
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:06:00 -
[1876]
Existing shareholder, would like to reserve 200 million ISK worth of shares please :)
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Vrikaan Phoenix
Tactica Imperium Soldiers of Solitude
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:19:00 -
[1877]
I am not a current shareholder, however I would like to reserve 200m worth of shares should some be left for non-shareholders.
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Jeddeita
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:43:00 -
[1878]
Edited by: Jeddeita on 22/08/2010 22:44:25 Existing share-holder, will reserve an addiational 1B ISK/1000 shares. ---------- EVEStuff.net - High Quality Corp & Alliance Web Hosting |
Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.22 22:43:00 -
[1879]
Voted yes.
I'd like to reserve 2000 shares as well, please
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.22 23:17:00 -
[1880]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Do you have a specific BPO in mind to be purchased with this expansion, and if so, what is it?
This one, perhaps?
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Captain Siria
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Posted - 2010.08.23 00:54:00 -
[1881]
Edited by: Captain Siria on 23/08/2010 00:55:43 I would like to reserve 500 shares for me.
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.08.23 01:04:00 -
[1882]
Not a shareholder atm but I would like to reserve 20000 shares if/when they become available to the public if that's possible. Thx
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 03:40:00 -
[1883]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I will start a three day shareholder vote for the creation of 108,000 shares.
Please, correct me if I'm not seeing something here.
You are not suggesting a split, but a value dilution of current shares by approx 63%, to grow approx 32%-- Meanwhile still pinned (and entrenching deeper in)to the same (frankly niche) market.
Seems like a lot of eggs in a tight basket.
While I would be against this move at face value (as I see it) I'd also like to exercise my reserve of 1000 shares.
Seeing the eagerness people apparently have for losing 37% of their current stock value, I really hope I'm missing something in the numbers. |
danyalsun
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Posted - 2010.08.23 04:33:00 -
[1884]
I'm not a current shareholder but would love (<3) to reserve 2000 shares if any are left over after current shareholder reservations...
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Sandrane Kipler
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Posted - 2010.08.23 05:45:00 -
[1885]
Voted Yes and would like to reserve 1b worth of shares.
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Banque
Lonely Pear Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 05:57:00 -
[1886]
I would like to increase my reservation by another 100 shares please. So a total of 300 shares. Thank you.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.23 07:43:00 -
[1887]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Do you have a specific BPO in mind to be purchased with this expansion
Not one specific one, there are several for sale at the moment and I'll buy the one that offers the best value.
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan What are the expected profits from the BPC investments and how quickly do you think the fund will grow?
I'm setting myself the target of doubling the fund and buying an additional Titan BPO within 12 months. I believe that is a very challenging target, but a challenge is what I'm after.
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan How soon will you need payment for the shares?
You'll have a few days to find the isk after the vote passes.
Originally by: Kell Braugh Please, correct me if I'm not seeing something here.
You are not suggesting a split, but a value dilution of current shares by approx 63%, to grow approx 32%
We are increasing the size of Titans For You by 32%, but I don't see where you are getting a 63% value dilution from. Could you explain how you came to that figure?
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.23 08:03:00 -
[1888]
Reservations up to this point...
Originally by: Bad Bobby Existing Shareholder Reservations
10,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 8,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 5,000 Ji Sama 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 600 Xi Khan 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 1,900 Biff Hanran 200 Jovan Geldon 1,000 Jeddeita 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler
Total: 88,751 of 108,000
New Shareholder Reservations
200 Teura 200 Vrikaan Phoenix 20,000 mental maverick 2,000 danyalsun
Total: 22,400
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.23 09:58:00 -
[1889]
Existing shareholder, I'd like to reserve 10b ISK worth of shares please.
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2010.08.23 10:36:00 -
[1890]
12000 votes for yes.
Also reserving 3B worth of shares.
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 11:11:00 -
[1891]
Existing shareholder (Milking Interestellar Incorporated)
Reserving 4000.
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Kendra Coldera
Ripoff Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.23 11:52:00 -
[1892]
Is there still room for a new shareholder?
From the numbers I assume it is full, but in case there is some (small) amount left I would like to get in with 200 shares. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:30:00 -
[1893]
The story so far...
Originally by: Bad Bobby Existing Shareholder Reservations
10,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 8,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 5,000 Ji Sama 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 600 Xi Khan 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 1,900 Biff Hanran 200 Jovan Geldon 1,000 Jeddeita 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Total: 105,751 of 108,000
New Shareholder Reservations
200 Teura 200 Vrikaan Phoenix 20,000 mental maverick 2,000 danyalsun 200 Kendra Coldera
Total: 22,600
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Nexo92
Method of Destruction The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2010.08.23 12:54:00 -
[1894]
Voted Yes and would like to reserve 200 shares please
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:02:00 -
[1895]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Attention Shareholders!
I will start a three day shareholder vote for the creation of 108,000 shares.
Vote YES if you want the expansion to go ahead.
Vote NO if you do not want the expansion to go ahead.
As before, if the vote passes I will be allowing existing shareholders one week to purchase shares before they are made available to new investors.
Minor shareholder here, and lacking in current liquidity :S
That said, I'd like to vote yes for this, and also reserve a meagre 100 million ISK's worth of shares.
I know it isn't much, but all I have at the moment!
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Archielaus
Caldari Spawns of Thanatos Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2010.08.23 13:41:00 -
[1896]
I would like to reserve 250 shares if there is still room for existing shareholders
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr 0ccam's Razor Industries Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:05:00 -
[1897]
Existing Shareholder looking to reserve another 2,000 shares if available, or all available shares otherwise. Thanks! -----
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mental maverick
Duty. Duty. Private Security
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:13:00 -
[1898]
Edited by: mental maverick on 23/08/2010 15:14:17 well, looks like there wont be any new shareholders this time around...
greedy ****in inbreds,
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Quetazal
Gallente Clann Fian Retribution.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:45:00 -
[1899]
existing shareholder: 200 shares if there are any left please I came, I saw, I downloaded. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.23 15:51:00 -
[1900]
That's the lot reserved, but please feel free to make further reservations in case someone withdraws theirs.
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Existing Shareholder Reservations
10,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 8,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 5,000 Ji Sama 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 600 Xi Khan 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 1,900 Biff Hanran 200 Jovan Geldon 1,000 Jeddeita 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 2,000 Anastasia Heron 200 Quetazal
Total: 108,501 of 108,000
New Shareholder Reservations
200 Teura 200 Vrikaan Phoenix 20,000 mental maverick 2,000 danyalsun 200 Kendra Coldera
Total: 22,600
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
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Molten Platypii
Minmatar Viduus Solus
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Posted - 2010.08.23 17:56:00 -
[1901]
Existing shareholder. Would like to reserve 200 shares if expansion passes.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:08:00 -
[1902]
When do you want the ISK Bobby?
Emmgel
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Apachekills
Gallente TheHeadFoundry Ind.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:36:00 -
[1903]
existing shareholder, will take 500 if another passes
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 18:49:00 -
[1904]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
We are increasing the size of Titans For You by 32%, but I don't see where you are getting a 63% value dilution from. Could you explain how you came to that figure?
You are creating new shares outside of a stock split, so that dilutes the value of existing stock as far as current stockholders are concerned. This creates 2 issues.
1) Current trading price of T4U stocks is around 1.25-1.3mil +/-, you are artificially lowering it 1mil. You are also making it so any current stockholder, for whatever reason, that doesn't buy at least 1.58 "new" stocks for every stock they currently own will in effect have their stock holding position loose value (as a percentage of the companies entire public holdings).
2)This is not withstanding dividends which will lower 63% as the new stock is issued and begins to receive payments for investments that the new stocks really didn't make.
The 63% comes from the fact you are increasing the total amount of stock by 108k.
I'm not arguing the value of investment, only that it is being done in such a way that you are, on a per stock level, increasing the value of the company by 32 while costing your current stockholders ~21% (~1.27mil vs 1mil a share) of their current stock's value and 63% of their potential future dividends-- its a hard pill to swallow.
If you wish to make a new investment, fine. But please do it through a corporate bond, not on the backs of your current shareholders.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:07:00 -
[1905]
People can just vote no, if they think share value is diluted, I personally do not see it that way, since we are increasing NAV with another titan BPO, therefore atleast based on NAV value, your shares are still worth 1 million each, now if you bought at a higher price, well that is simply your problem!
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Cayce Pollard
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:11:00 -
[1906]
existing shareholder would like to reserve 1000 shares if someone drops out
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:28:00 -
[1907]
Edited by: Trebor Whettam on 23/08/2010 19:30:23 Edited by: Trebor Whettam on 23/08/2010 19:29:26
Originally by: Kell Braugh
Originally by: Bad Bobby
We are increasing the size of Titans For You by 32%, but I don't see where you are getting a 63% value dilution from. Could you explain how you came to that figure?
You are creating new shares outside of a stock split, so that dilutes the value of existing stock as far as current stockholders are concerned. This creates 2 issues.
1) Current trading price of T4U stocks is around 1.25-1.3mil +/-, you are artificially lowering it 1mil. You are also making it so any current stockholder, for whatever reason, that doesn't buy at least 1.58 "new" stocks for every stock they currently own will in effect have their stock holding position loose value (as a percentage of the companies entire public holdings).
2)This is not withstanding dividends which will lower 63% as the new stock is issued and begins to receive payments for investments that the new stocks really didn't make.
The 63% comes from the fact you are increasing the total amount of stock by 108k.
I'm not arguing the value of investment, only that it is being done in such a way that you are, on a per stock level, increasing the value of the company by 32 while costing your current stockholders ~21% (~1.27mil vs 1mil a share) of their current stock's value and 63% of their potential future dividends-- its a hard pill to swallow.
If you wish to make a new investment, fine. But please do it through a corporate bond, not on the backs of your current shareholders.
These are excellent points, and #2 really high-lights the issue. Until the BPOs purchased with the expansion money are primed, stagnant revenues will be distributed to a greater number of shares. This punishes investors who don't reup for a proportional number of new shares. It makes much more sense to raise the new funds through a new bond.
The issue is caused by the unavoidable lag in initial profits, which is a sort of one-time cost, except that this expansion would apply the lag a second time to the original shares and only partially once to the new shares.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:44:00 -
[1908]
Originally by: Kell Braugh The 63% comes from the fact you are increasing the total amount of stock by 108k. (...) and 63% of their potential future dividends-- its a hard pill to swallow.
Walk me through this, because I don't get it.
I own 3 shares in T4U. With the current 342000 existing shares, I get 88k isk from a 10B dividend. After the expansion, with 45000 shares, I'll get 67k isk from a 10B dividend. By my count that's a 24% decrease in dividends (which makes sense after 32% expansion, given that 100 is 76% of 132).
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:52:00 -
[1909]
I'm not a shareholder and haven't even been following this thread, but it occurred to me that if the concern about share dilution was a serious one, you could offer new shares to the current shareholders in proportion to their current holdings. So if the number of shares were being increased by 25%, someone with 1000 shares would have the right to buy 250 more shares. If they choose not to exercise that right, the excess shares could be offered to the other shareholders first before being offered to the public.
Implementation of this might seem overly complicated, but it seems to me that you could achieve the same effect with the current reservation system. All you would have to do is compare the reservation list with the current shareholdings and instead of cutting it off on a first-come-first-serve basis you should find the cut-off ratio that distributes the appropriate number of shares. In other words, a small shareholder that places a disproportionately large reservation may find his reservation trimmed somewhat.
Of course changing the rules in the middle of the process might not be a good idea, but it could be a viable option of the current vote fails. In fact, shareholders that wanted to get reservations in but didn't do so in time might consider voting against the current proposal in hopes of a second vote under changed rules . . .
. . . or not. As I say, I have no horse in this race and I'm only offering my unsolicited opinion for what it is worth.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:55:00 -
[1910]
only valid point as I see it is number 2.
and since some of us where with this from the start, we are now seeing new investors get in, and almost immediately they get a dividend vs. the almost 1 year most of us there was with this from the start had to wait.
but if anyone have a problem with it, simply use their shares to vote!
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Zamestian Han
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Posted - 2010.08.23 19:57:00 -
[1911]
Edited by: Zamestian Han on 23/08/2010 19:59:14 I'd like to reserve 6b please
Edit: Existing shareholder...
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:05:00 -
[1912]
Edited by: Kell Braugh on 23/08/2010 20:06:57
Originally by: Estel Arador With the current 342000 existing shares... After the expansion, with 45000 shares
Currently: 68,000 Shares Post proposed expansion: 176,000 shares Those are the numbers attached to reality that I am using.
What should happen, and furthermore what happens irl when this situation comes up is one of two avenues.
- Either a new corporate bond is issued, outside of the shareholders so as to not upset and devalue stock, or
- A split is issued to shore up per old share value against the new shares and money is raised when company owned stock is then sold. Most the time though, companies don't want to devalue holdings in their own company, so they go the bond route.
My underlying question is why choose this route (creation of more shares) when you could easily issue and fill a new bond under the Titans for you banner without upsetting dividends or stock price.
edit: Using the "some of us were in it from the start" is the same logic road that "minerals are free because I mined them myself" uses-- I suggest you tread lightly.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:19:00 -
[1913]
Edited by: Ji Sama on 23/08/2010 20:19:59 You are so wrong, first of the argument that some of us was with this from the start isn't even close to the phrase; minerals I mine is free. I was actually agreeing with your point 2! But you are for some reason taking all of this personal!
Secondly Estels numbers are spot on, we have 342K shares, and with the 108K expansion we have 450K!
Don't know where you got your numbers from, I am guessing the same place you found the correlation between, minerals I mine is free vs. I have been here since the beginning.
EDIT: WTB YOUR SHARES 1M P/U
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:28:00 -
[1914]
Director Update
I kind of forgot about T4U and the fact I had a director in the corp. I have deleted all my admin characters and closed all but 1 of my accounts (my main one).
I no longer have a director in T4U or have any BOD shares in T4U. I can no longer perform any lockdown/unlock votes for T4U. My understanding is that there are currently 5 directors (one was Kazzac who barely plays). I would advise finding another director to replace me.
Due to my limited time in game I won't be able to put a character in T4U or have any dealings with T4U if issues arise. I have also removed some roles in other corporations and declined a few directorships/BOD requests recently.
This post isn't meant to stir up trouble or worry investors it's just that I forgot all about it.
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:36:00 -
[1915]
Originally by: Ji Sama
You are so wrong...But you are for some reason taking all of this personal!
Unlike *some*, i'm not taking this to a personal level. This is a game after all.
Its in the same fold as "mined minerals are free" because you are putting zero value on the time your investment has been in, just like miners who put zero value into their own time. Your original investment could have been doing other things, just like the miners could have been doing other things with their time to make money.
Lastly, my stock numbers are based on the publicly available stock information for 'titans for you'. As this is game, I will admit I don't spend hours and hour pouring over the various IPO submissions.
Originally by: Ji Sama EDIT: WTB YOUR SHARES 1M P/U
This must just be more of your "not taking it personal" so I'll have to pass.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.23 20:48:00 -
[1916]
Per previous discussion however many posts back when Cosmo assumed the role, am happy to assist in such capacity, qualification being largely based on share ownership, if needed/wanted.
Emmgel
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:07:00 -
[1917]
Edited by: Estel Arador on 23/08/2010 21:10:18
Originally by: Kell Braugh
Originally by: Estel Arador With the current 342000 existing shares... After the expansion, with 45000 shares
Currently: 68,000 Shares Post proposed expansion: 176,000 shares Those are the numbers attached to reality that I am using.
Those numbers are incorrect. The ingame corp details only show how many shares were created in the last share creation vote, it does not list the total number of shares. The correct numbers, with dates, are:
Titans For You [T4U] shares
date -created - total 20-06-09 - 1000 - 1000 18-09-09 - 203000 - 204000 24-04-10 - 70000 - 274000 01-07-10 - 68000 - 342000 22-08-10 - 108000 - 450000
(note the 'date' is the date the vote started, not the date the vote ended)
So this is expansion is not as big (relatively) as you've made it out to be. Also with every expansion so far, all shares have gone to existing shareholders. That makes the start-up costs (initial and for the expansion) less of an issue, though it does not eliminate it completely.
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Kithran
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:08:00 -
[1918]
Originally by: Kell Braugh snip
Lastly, my stock numbers are based on the publicly available stock information for 'titans for you'. As this is game, I will admit I don't spend hours and hour pouring over the various IPO submissions.
Show info on any corp in the game gives an inaccurate count of shares unless no shares beyond the original 1000 have been created. The shares figure shown on the attributes tab for titans for you just shows the number of shares created in the last expansion - 68000 which was for the purchase of an me2 erebus or avatar bpo (can't actually remember which).
There are currently 342000 shares as have been stated by others, this expansion will take the total shares to 450000. This figure is also given in Bad Bobby's first expansion post.
Kithran (who made the very first reservation when Titans For You started so has definitely been here since the begining ;)
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:27:00 -
[1919]
yo ho
i would like to add another 2 Bil isk
to my 8 Bil isk for this expansion
Jadun
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 21:28:00 -
[1920]
Ok, I'll note that little inaccuracy in my head like the rest of eve's misleading figures and attributes.
Although I still think its a valid point I made originally, I will also agree that all things being equal, its not as big of a deal seeing the real share counts.
As far as not seeing the previous 'expansion' posts, well, its a 64 page thread. Sorry.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:15:00 -
[1921]
I think we keep missing each others points.
I am not valuating my time as free, I am in fact agreeing with you, that long term investors, are seeing the smallest ROI.
Cant be more clear on this.
Where I am disagreeing with you, is in the devaluation of the shares, they are still worth 1M each, since the NAV has increased exponentially, with every reissuing of new shares!
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:34:00 -
[1922]
Originally by: Ji Sama
Where I am disagreeing with you, is in the devaluation of the shares, they are still worth 1M each, since the NAV has increased exponentially, with every reissuing of new shares!
Are you not taking into account that the shares are buying and selling for 1.25-1.3 mil/share atms so offering new shares @ 1mil each devalues current shares?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:39:00 -
[1923]
This is where I am sure you are wrong, what I chose to sell my shares for is not the same as what they are worth.
Stay with me here for a second.
All shares have always been sold by T4U @ 1M p/u.
Now what we are seeing is private auctions, where shares are sold for more than 1M. This is not T4U selling these shares, this is shareholders. And if they want to / can sell their shares for 1.3M etc. Then it is their right.
Official value of T4U shares is 1M p/u. Anything paid above this price, is diminishing your ROI!
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.23 22:53:00 -
[1924]
Originally by: Kell Braugh Are you not taking into account that the shares are buying and selling for 1.25-1.3 mil/share atms so offering new shares @ 1mil each devalues current shares?
The fact that expansions with shares at face value might take place at irregular intervals is not new information. Anyone buying their shares at an auction has taken (or should at least should have taken) that information into account.
There are 342000 shares, they have a face value of 1M each, (nearly) the full value is secured in BPOs, dividends amount to 1 to 1.5% per month, and shareholders get preferential treatment during expansions.
That is what you paid 500 times 1.26M for. That you've never heard of due diligence and perhaps valued the shares wrongly is entirely your own fault. Get over it.
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.08.23 23:43:00 -
[1925]
Shares are worth a fair bit in terms of resale value as the immediate return for shareholders who buy direct appears to be 10-20%. Even if the ROI in terms of dividends right now is relatively low, dividend payment have been made, there haven't been any public major dramas/problems, public confidence appears to be high, and the titan BPC market appears to be recovering from a fairly significant dip a few months back. For the moment this is probably perceived as one of the "safest" MD offerings, whether that holds true long term remains to be seen, but that's a risk with any offering.
Good to see this expansion open to newer investors right from the start so existing shareholders don't snap up everything then immediately resell at massively inflated levels. I think Kell's comment about overall share devaluation is fair (numbers a bit off, but w/e the overall point is valid), and one existing and potential investors should consider. Claire Voyant's comments about alternative methods of share distribution are also worth some consideration. If it's a complaint based on buying resold shares at a fairly high markup... if you buy first then count your ROI after, it's your own fault, but chances are most people will break even on resale even if they bought at a fairly high price, they may have to time the sale appropriately.
Anyhow, whilst entertaining, there's no point investors and critics handbagging each other over the offering, probably best to let BB answer these points?
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Rojo Ocho
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Posted - 2010.08.23 23:55:00 -
[1926]
Existing shareholder, would like to reserve another 250 when possible
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.23 23:56:00 -
[1927]
TBH, this isn't about ROI as much as retaining current market value of investments. Doesn't matter if you bought at the original IPO, via third-party secondary markets, or a mixture of the two (as in my case quite frankly)
Its about the (open) market value of the item, in this case shares of Titans 4 you, and creating an artificial price ceiling (less than the current market value) every time there is an expansion of said shares.
If people (enough people to clear the market) are wiling to pay $1.30 for widget X but the makers of widget x sell them for $1.0, then widget x by definition (in the economic sense) is being under valued by the makers. Same is true with stocks. While it is also true that seller set the price, it should also be recalled that price is not always equal to value, as the margin between buy and sell orders for various products in EVE's marketplace show us daily.
I don't really mean to be derailing this thread on a review of basic basic economic principles and concepts, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.24 00:15:00 -
[1928]
Originally by: Kell Braugh If people (enough people to clear the market) are wiling to pay $1.30 for widget X but the makers of widget x sell them for $1.0, then widget x by definition (in the economic sense) is being under valued by the makers. Same is true with stocks. (...) basic basic economic principles and concepts (...)
All nice theoretical basics, but there are two factors complicating it: 1) It's 108000 shares being offered at once, whereas the price of ~1.2M has been set at auctions offering only a few thousand shares. 2) The fact that there's a difference between the sell price and the resell value increases interest in the shares, which offer only a minimal return in dividends. Increasing the sell price would bring down both the ROI and the opportunity for profit at resale, making it very unattractive to invest.
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Tyranus vonCarstein
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.24 01:28:00 -
[1929]
Voted yes.
Would like to reserve 2000 shares as an existing shareholder in case anyone else falls through.
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Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
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Posted - 2010.08.24 01:51:00 -
[1930]
As an existing shareholder, (shares are owned by my corp, Empire Arms Dealers) I would like to reserve 400 shares for my corporation. That is of course, if any are still available.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.24 08:59:00 -
[1931]
The state of play...
Originally by: Bad Bobby Existing Shareholder Reservations
8,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 5,000 Ji Sama 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 600 Xi Khan 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 1,900 Biff Hanran 200 Jovan Geldon 1,000 Jeddeita 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,699 Anastasia Heron
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
Queued Existing Shareholder Reservations
301 Anastasia Heron 200 Quetazal 200 Molten Platypii 500 Apachekills 1000 Cayce Pollard 6000 Zamestian Han 250 Rojo Ocho 2000 Tyranus vonCarstein 400 Bud Tugly
Total: 10,851
Queued New Shareholder Reservations
200 Teura 200 Vrikaan Phoenix 20,000 mental maverick 2,000 danyalsun 200 Kendra Coldera
Total: 22,600
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.24 10:22:00 -
[1932]
I fully understand that this expansion, as with each previous expansion, has the potential to reduce the re-sale value of Titans For You shares. I have tried to mitigate this by restricting the expansion shares to existing shareholders and I believe that this measure has been effective thus far.
I also fully understand that this expansion will result in a reduction in dividend per-share due to the long lead-time for a new BPO to bare fruit. I have tried to mitigate this by timing the expansion so that it falls after the recent rush of dividends.
Furthermore, the new "growth fund" that will be created by this expansion is intended to address these issues in a more fundamental way.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.24 13:33:00 -
[1933]
I will be away when the vote ends and may not be able to log in for a while. Should I send the payment for my shares now?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.24 14:10:00 -
[1934]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan I will be away when the vote ends and may not be able to log in for a while. Should I send the payment for my shares now?
Feel free. I'll send it back if the vote does not pass.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.08.24 15:51:00 -
[1935]
Transferred 7B ISK to Titans 4U for 7000 shares in Titans For You (assuming the expansion vote passes).
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 11:54:00 -
[1936]
I would like to discuss ideas on how any future expansion might be done differently.
The process I have used to date was chosen because it was quick, simple and predictable. While these factors make life easy for me as the manager of Titans For You, they are not so beneficial to the existing investors, potential investors and the IPO itself.
Existing Shareholders
The current method can be greatly beneficial to existing shareholders who can buy shares at 1m each and re-sell at a markup or sell part of their holding at a markup before re-buying a 1m each. This process can be repeated whenever there is an expansion and can turn an otherwise low ROI share into a great moneymaker. I call this "flipping".
However, for those that do not engage in this highly profitable activity an expansion is something of a mixed bag. In the short term dividends are reduced as the same profits are shared more ways, in the long term dividends return to normal and hopefully increase to a higher level. Whereas regular expansions are ideal for the flipper they are generally bad for the non-flipper.
Some believe that issuing new shares at 1m each, even when restricted to existing shareholders, will have a detrimental effect on the market value of those shares. Others believe that the opposite is true and the potential profits from flipping increases demand for shares and has a beneficial effect on their market value.
So the first part of the question is: What can be done to rebalance the benefits of Titans For You share ownership so that the non-flipper gets a better deal? Obviously we cannot expect a passive shareholder to make the profits that an active flipper can, but steps can probably be taken to close the gap between them. However, closing that gap could be entirely detrimental in that cutting out flipping could remove a major stimulus on market price and make things worse for every shareholder.
New Shareholders
At the moment the only way to get in on the Titans For You IPO is to buy shares on the open market at a markup, as all expansion shares sell out in a few hours to existing shareholders. As the IPO manager my loyalty must always be to my existing shareholders before new shareholders and thus I do not see a great issue with this. If a new shareholder is prepared to pay a 20-30% markup for a share and existing shareholders demand that premium then that is the market price, pure and simple.
So the second part of the question is: How do we channel more of the premium paid by new shareholders into the pockets of all existing shareholders rather than just the flippers? Ideally this should be done without breaking the flipping mechanic or sabotaging the market value of the shares.
The IPO
In general what is good for the IPO is good for the existing shareholder. Expansions allow the IPO to grow and flipping increases demand for expansion shares making expansions easier. However, the IPO does not directly benefit from the higher market value of shares because the only time the IPO receives isk for shares is when an expansion is issued at 1m per share. Essentially the IPO is an extreme case of the non-flipping existing shareholder and gets the same raw deal.
So the third part of the question is: How do we channel more of the premium paid by new shareholders into the IPO?
...to be continued...
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 12:37:00 -
[1937]
The Daddy
Ignore the fact that I am the single largest shareholder in Titans For You, in that respect I should be treated the same as every other existing shareholder. However, I am also the staff of Titans For You and for that I receive 6% of all profits generated from the sales of Titan BPCs produced from Titans For You BPOs. So it is in my interest to see profits increase.
The Answers
So what are they? I'll post my ideas and I'd like to see yours.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.08.25 12:39:00 -
[1938]
If you didn't like my previous solution, another option is to sell the new shares at a premium (based on some calculation involving future cash-flows) and immediately pay the difference between the money collected and the cost of the BPO (plus incidentals) as a dividend to the existing shareholders. (Probably after the vote to create the shares takes place but before it is executed.)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 12:55:00 -
[1939]
1. What can be done to rebalance the benefits of Titans For You share ownership so that the non-flipper gets a better deal? 2. How do we channel more of the premium paid by new shareholders into the pockets of all existing shareholders rather than just the flippers? 3. How do we channel more of the premium paid by new shareholders into the IPO?
Here are some options I've considered:
A. Take a larger cut of the action by raising the price of expansion shares by a fixed amount (example: 1.1m per share). B. Issue some of the expansion shares to the IPO itself and then sell them at market value. C. Issue all of the expansion shares to the IPO itself and then sell all of them at market value.
I think (A) fits the bill rather well. I think (B) means the flippers still do too well and non-flippers still get too raw a deal. I think (C) is too harsh on the flippers.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 13:04:00 -
[1940]
Originally by: Claire Voyant If you didn't like my previous solution, another option is to sell the new shares at a premium (based on some calculation involving future cash-flows) and immediately pay the difference between the money collected and the cost of the BPO (plus incidentals) as a dividend to the existing shareholders. (Probably after the vote to create the shares takes place but before it is executed.)
I didn't like your previous suggestion because it was overcomplicated and didn't really solve the problems neatly.
Your new suggestion is what I was thinking. I particularly like the way it turns Titans For You into a giant Ponzi scheme.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 13:35:00 -
[1941]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Claire Voyant If you didn't like my previous solution, another option is to sell the new shares at a premium (based on some calculation involving future cash-flows) and immediately pay the difference between the money collected and the cost of the BPO (plus incidentals) as a dividend to the existing shareholders. (Probably after the vote to create the shares takes place but before it is executed.)
I didn't like your previous suggestion because it was overcomplicated and didn't really solve the problems neatly.
Your new suggestion is what I was thinking. I particularly like the way it turns Titans For You into a giant Ponzi scheme.
A number of nice features of this approach:
If a new shareholder buys into Titans For You they pay the full premium (For example 1.1m instead of 1m).
If an existing shareholder buys into Titans For You they pay the premium and get a dividend back. If they buy new shares in the correct ratio the dividend cancels out the premium (then pay 1m per share). If they go over the ratio they pay a reduced premium (between 1m and 1.1m per share). If they go under the ratio they get an overall discount (they pay under 1m per share). If they go far enough under the ratio or do not buy any shares at all then they get a nice payout.
Flipping would still be fully viable.
The dividend due to the act of expansion would fix any issue with reduced dividend per share as a result of the long lead time on BPC production.
It's simple.
It's a Ponzi scheme with bells on.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.25 14:56:00 -
[1942]
Just a thought I had, but figured I might suggest it.
You could make the "price" of a new share be higher (say, at or maybe slightly above market value?) However, 1m of each share would be for the actual stock, and the remainder would be a bond set at a modest return- maybe 3 or 5%. Put a pause on dividend payments, and instead direct the profits toward paying off the bonds (however would work- possibly in the order they were reserved?). Once all bonds are cleared, then return to normal dividend payouts.
That way existing shareholders see a pause on their direct dividend payouts, but the "value" of their share (assets of T4U / number of shares) actually INCREASES, as should their fair market value (eventually). Additionally, their eventual payouts should increase by an amount proportional to the size increase and the premium of the market price vs base price (e.g.- current market price is about 30% increase, and it looks to be about a 30% expansion- existing shareholders should see an eventual increase in dividends of about 9-10%, and a similar increase in collateral/share).
I could not easily find the current size of operations in this thread and I am not a shareholder, so I'm kind of ballparking the figure here based on your inital offering, but it looks like paying off the bonds would require suspending dividends for less than a month. If I WERE a shareholder, I think I would look at giving up 1 month of dividend payments for a 10% increase to both future dividends and value of my shares as a deal I would readily take.
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:00:00 -
[1943]
Originally by: cosmoray Director Update
I kind of forgot about T4U and the fact I had a director in the corp. I have deleted all my admin characters and closed all but 1 of my accounts (my main one).
I no longer have a director in T4U or have any BOD shares in T4U. I can no longer perform any lockdown/unlock votes for T4U. My understanding is that there are currently 5 directors (one was Kazzac who barely plays). I would advise finding another director to replace me.
Due to my limited time in game I won't be able to put a character in T4U or have any dealings with T4U if issues arise. I have also removed some roles in other corporations and declined a few directorships/BOD requests recently.
Bobby, are you looking for a replacement director?
MDD
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:05:00 -
[1944]
Here's an idea I just had and haven't thought through fully yet: doing expansions as an auction and let people bid on shares. Instead of fixing the amount of shares, fix the total amount raised - so the higher the bids go, the less new shares will be issued. This way anyone can get in on the expansion at a price they deem fair. The benefit for existing shareholders would be that less new shares are needed and dividends per share will be higher.
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:13:00 -
[1945]
Originally by: Estel Arador Here's an idea I just had and haven't thought through fully yet: doing expansions as an auction and let people bid on shares. Instead of fixing the amount of shares, fix the total amount raised - so the higher the bids go, the less new shares will be issued. This way anyone can get in on the expansion at a price they deem fair. The benefit for existing shareholders would be that less new shares are needed and dividends per share will be higher.
Not a bad idea. Only hitch is that Bobby currently uses the share issuance vote as a yes/no vote on the expansion reason. Using your suggestion he won't know beforehand how many shares he will need. The obvious solution is to have 2 share votes: one for a yes/no vote on the expansion reason (called for issuing 1 new share), and a later one when the public auction is completed (called for issuing N-1 new shares).
MDD
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:32:00 -
[1946]
Originally by: Berikath Just a thought I had, but figured I might suggest it.
You could make the "price" of a new share be higher (say, at or maybe slightly above market value?) However, 1m of each share would be for the actual stock, and the remainder would be a bond set at a modest return- maybe 3 or 5%. Put a pause on dividend payments, and instead direct the profits toward paying off the bonds (however would work- possibly in the order they were reserved?). Once all bonds are cleared, then return to normal dividend payouts.
That way existing shareholders see a pause on their direct dividend payouts, but the "value" of their share (assets of T4U / number of shares) actually INCREASES, as should their fair market value (eventually). Additionally, their eventual payouts should increase by an amount proportional to the size increase and the premium of the market price vs base price (e.g.- current market price is about 30% increase, and it looks to be about a 30% expansion- existing shareholders should see an eventual increase in dividends of about 9-10%, and a similar increase in collateral/share).
I could not easily find the current size of operations in this thread and I am not a shareholder, so I'm kind of ballparking the figure here based on your inital offering, but it looks like paying off the bonds would require suspending dividends for less than a month. If I WERE a shareholder, I think I would look at giving up 1 month of dividend payments for a 10% increase to both future dividends and value of my shares as a deal I would readily take.
Seems a little overcomplicated for what it achieves.
I could achieve the same effect by issuing shares at 1.1m per share and putting the whole 1.1m into the IPO without suspending dividends or managing any additional bonds.
The current size of the operation is 342,000 shares and 342 billion isk invested. Our NAV is debatable as it would be based on the re-sale value of the researched Titan BPOs but I'd say 350 - 360 billion.
Originally by: Estel Arador Here's an idea I just had and haven't thought through fully yet: doing expansions as an auction and let people bid on shares. Instead of fixing the amount of shares, fix the total amount raised - so the higher the bids go, the less new shares will be issued. This way anyone can get in on the expansion at a price they deem fair. The benefit for existing shareholders would be that less new shares are needed and dividends per share will be higher.
I think that works in the same way as charging more per share and putting the additional isk into the IPO, as you are effectively playing with the ratio of shares to invested isk, however it would probably be more difficult to administrate given the need for an auction and the need for doing the share creation vote after the auction. I suppose you could create the maximum number of shares before the auction and retain the un-issued shares to simplify the creation side. Still does it actually help to do it in this way rather than in the more intuitive way of bidding up a fixed number of shares?
Originally by: MailDeadDrop Bobby, are you looking for a replacement director?
We still have PP, Shar, AC155 and Kazzac as trustees. Kazzac's "absence" is debatable as I see him online fairly often. Even if you assume him to be absent then there are still 3 trustees that are active that can vote down any attempt by me to unlock a BPO without good reason. Should a trustee attempt to unlock the BPOs then I would also vote down their attempt.
We still have multiple directors in the SuperSekrit corp, including at least two (mine and one trustees) that are currently subbed. These director alts are there in case I am hit by a bus so that the operation can be liquidated.
I do not believe there is any need for concern.
If we do add an additional trustee we have to remember that they are being trusted with 342+ billion so the number of candidates are increasingly small.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:38:00 -
[1947]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Estel Arador Here's an idea I just had and haven't thought through fully yet: doing expansions as an auction and let people bid on shares. Instead of fixing the amount of shares, fix the total amount raised - so the higher the bids go, the less new shares will be issued. This way anyone can get in on the expansion at a price they deem fair. The benefit for existing shareholders would be that less new shares are needed and dividends per share will be higher.
Not a bad idea. Only hitch is that Bobby currently uses the share issuance vote as a yes/no vote on the expansion reason. Using your suggestion he won't know beforehand how many shares he will need. The obvious solution is to have 2 share votes: one for a yes/no vote on the expansion reason (called for issuing 1 new share), and a later one when the public auction is completed (called for issuing N-1 new shares).
MDD
Could be awkward if the results of the two votes come out differently. Still a bit overcomplicated unless there is a really good reason for doing it this way. What are the real benefits compared to issuing a fixed number of shares at a variable price? Indeed is issuing non-fixed shares or at a non-fixed price a good idea given that it will likely put an end to profitable flipping and remove one of the incentives to buy the shares in the first place?
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:51:00 -
[1948]
If setting a price is an issue, a dutch auction could be used. One added benefit is that existing shareholders could bid high (e.g. 1.3-1.5 mil) for exactly their proportionate number of shares knowing they would receive whatever premium they end up paying back as their dividend. That would not stop them from making additional bids at lower prices. The only problem is how to enforce the bids once the price is set. Probably a deposit could be required from all bidders or just for new bidders making high (and large or potentially disruptive) bids. Of course, dutch auction bids should be private. The US Treasury does all their auctions this way.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.25 15:55:00 -
[1949]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Seems a little overcomplicated for what it achieves.
I could achieve the same effect by issuing shares at 1.1m per share and putting the whole 1.1m into the IPO without suspending dividends or managing any additional bonds.
The current size of the operation is 342,000 shares and 342 billion isk invested. Our NAV is debatable as it would be based on the re-sale value of the researched Titan BPOs but I'd say 350 - 360 billion.
True... but the increase in value/dividend would be smaller unless you issued the shares at the price you'd set as shares+bond. I was trying to think of a way which gave the best possible returns to existing holders while keeping things fair to new buys.
I'm curious to see how my suggestion would work, so I would be happy to keep track of the numbers for a token number of shares (10 or something, so that I would have the option of buying in as a stockholder in any future expansions). I don't mean access to wallet or any such thing (I know nobody probably knows me, so I wouldn't trust me with your ISK either), just keeping track of the value of the bonds and giving a list of who is owed what in what order on demand.
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MailDeadDrop
The Collective
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:01:00 -
[1950]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop Not a bad idea (Estel's). Only hitch is that Bobby currently uses the share issuance vote as a yes/no vote on the expansion reason. Using your suggestion he won't know beforehand how many shares he will need. The obvious solution is to have 2 share votes: one for a yes/no vote on the expansion reason (called for issuing 1 new share), and a later one when the public auction is completed (called for issuing N-1 new shares).
Originally by: Bad Bobby Could be awkward if the results of the two votes come out differently.
Well, presumably you don't call a vote on the second batch if the first vote fails (duh). So the case to address is vote1=yes, vote2=no. I'm under the impression (perhaps misinformed) that you do not vote your large block of shares for the votes. You could change, and vote your block "yes" on the second vote. This would presumably reduce the odds of a "no" result. That coupled with a short vote duration should pretty much sew it up.
Originally by: Bad Bobby Still a bit overcomplicated unless there is a really good reason for doing it this way. What are the real benefits compared to issuing a fixed number of shares at a variable price? Indeed is issuing non-fixed shares or at a non-fixed price a good idea given that it will likely put an end to profitable flipping and remove one of the incentives to buy the shares in the first place?
The advantage is that it reduces the dilutive effect on future dividends. For example, compare the cases of issuing X shares at 1M versus Y shares at 1.25M. Presumably Y = X/1.25 then (for the same capital raised). So that is 25% fewer new shares issued, which means that their dilutive effect on all future dividends is reduced by 25%.
As for removing the incentive for flipping, I don't think that it completely removes it. Estel's scheme does make flipping more speculative though (the bidder has to believe that the shares could be sold immediately after they're in-hand at a value more than the auction price). Because the interest in the issue is likely still high immediately after the auction closes, and since there is a small delay between the auction closing and the receipt of shares, I suspect that there would still be some flipping occurring. It wouldn't be the ISK printing machine it currently is though.
MDD
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:07:00 -
[1951]
The problem with issuing shares with different values comes down to the following:
1. The people that paid 1 mil per share can still sell their shares for 1.2-1.3 mil per share quite easily. If people paid 1.2 mil per share, the would be lucky to break even if they went to sell their shares.
2. Say Bobby wins the lottery, decides to spend his fortune on plexes and buy back the offering. Most investors paid 1 mil per share, but the newer ones paid 1.2 mil per share. How would Bobby know which person to pay which price to? If the people that paid 1.2 mil per share sold their shares, it would be impossible to track that. Does everyone get paid 1 mil per share (thus screwing over the ones who paid more) or does he pay 1.2 mil per share (thus overpaying the original investors).
The share value has to remain at a set price or things will get ugly real fast.
Of course people currently pay over 1 mil per share to buy more shares, but that is a risk they know they are taking as the official share value is 1 mil per share.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:13:00 -
[1952]
Edited by: Berikath on 25/08/2010 16:19:33
Originally by: Breaker77
2. Say Bobby wins the lottery, decides to spend his fortune on plexes and buy back the offering. Most investors paid 1 mil per share, but the newer ones paid 1.2 mil per share. How would Bobby know which person to pay which price to? If the people that paid 1.2 mil per share sold their shares, it would be impossible to track that. Does everyone get paid 1 mil per share (thus screwing over the ones who paid more) or does he pay 1.2 mil per share (thus overpaying the original investors).
Quote: Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
If the Titan BPC market dies we will liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
If I am hit by a bus the trustees will sub up their trial account directors and liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
That's the closest thing to a buyback stated in the IPO. I can only assume liquidation for any reason would be handled the same way, intentional or not.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:45:00 -
[1953]
Originally by: MailDeadDrop I'm under the impression (perhaps misinformed) that you do not vote your large block of shares for the votes.
You are misinformed. I do vote with my large block of shares and I have always announced that fact with "+X votes for yes!" or something similar. As a shareholder I am the same as any other, so I get a vote like any other. I am the largest shareholder but my holding is only 10% of the total so my control is limited, particularly when compared to the combined votes of the 10 largest shareholders who are the ones that are really in control of the voting results.
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
Originally by: Bad Bobby Still a bit overcomplicated unless there is a really good reason for doing it this way. What are the real benefits compared to issuing a fixed number of shares at a variable price? Indeed is issuing non-fixed shares or at a non-fixed price a good idea given that it will likely put an end to profitable flipping and remove one of the incentives to buy the shares in the first place?
The advantage is that it reduces the dilutive effect on future dividends. For example, compare the cases of issuing X shares at 1M versus Y shares at 1.25M. Presumably Y = X/1.25 then (for the same capital raised). So that is 25% fewer new shares issued, which means that their dilutive effect on all future dividends is reduced by 25%.
But if Y shares are issued at 1.25m and the whole 1.25m goes into the IPO then the funds available to generate profit increase and the NAV backed value of each share increases. I think it's just two different ways of cutting the same cake with one involving more effort than the other.
Originally by: MailDeadDrop
As for removing the incentive for flipping, I don't think that it completely removes it. Estel's scheme does make flipping more speculative though (the bidder has to believe that the shares could be sold immediately after they're in-hand at a value more than the auction price). Because the interest in the issue is likely still high immediately after the auction closes, and since there is a small delay between the auction closing and the receipt of shares, I suspect that there would still be some flipping occurring. It wouldn't be the ISK printing machine it currently is though.
It depends how much we want to preserve the flipping marketplace and positive price stimulus that comes with it. Personally I'd rather charge less than best price for the shares, encourage that market and keep the benefits for the active shareholder while at the same time giving further benefits to the passive shareholder. Aside from the profit side I think it keeps things more interesting.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:50:00 -
[1954]
Edited by: SetrakDark on 25/08/2010 16:55:04 A share is an equity stake in all assets and income of a corporation. If the value of a share rises or falls after the purchase date according to changes in the value of assets or income streams, that is the benefit/loss of those who bought shares. If a new share issuance sells above asset value, that is because people believe they will pay dividends sufficiently that they will profit after an asset liquidation or they will no longer be holding the shares because they sold them for a profit.
My comment from the last expansion:
"What you're describing could work, but, as I mentioned above, would require a completely open sale. This kind of equity expansion may be possible, but it would be risky without solid secondary market institutions like widely used exchanges and underwriters. What Bobby is suggesting instead is that current investors are given the opportunity to act as underwriters and reap the reward.
Long story short, you're right, but I don't know if the secondary market is sophisticated enough to handle it.
This is pretty theoretical stuff, so if you're unsatisfied with the answer by all means say so. I love discussing this crap.
Edit: Upon further consideration, I realize what was wrong with your suggestion. An equity expansion in real-life would be for a target amount of money, in this case 70b, and would be based on the market value of the shares. It was the premium and special dividend ideas that were wrong.
This is where a vibrant equity exchange and investment bank (underwriters) would come in. The investment bank would use the market information to estimate the number of shares needed at post-expansion market price (plus their premium) to raise 70b. They would then buy all the new shares for 70b, then sell them on the market at a premium. The advantage to existing shareholders is that they are able to bring in assets which will have a greater value than their cost in share dilution.
Without the equity market to help price and distribute the shares as well as the technical expertise and risk-shouldering of the investment bank, the company would shoulder all the risk of overpricing shares and falling short of the 70b, when they should be concentrating on their core business.
We do have an equity exchange, but there just aren't enough companies to justify an investment bank, and the exchange is also underused because of a lack of public companies. However investment banks are probably the next phase of advanced market institutions, if the number of public companies does grow, and they actually make economic sense in Eve, unlike this bastardized deposit model people keep trying."
Long story short, a proper issuance is possible, but comes with risks due to the the lack or weakness of supporting institutions in the investment market. The restriction of the issuance to current investors is an imperfect yet viable solution; it is, however, a solution that could be improved upon if investors feel that they are not all reaping the benefits, which they are not.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 16:57:00 -
[1955]
Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: Breaker77
2. Say Bobby wins the lottery, decides to spend his fortune on plexes and buy back the offering. Most investors paid 1 mil per share, but the newer ones paid 1.2 mil per share. How would Bobby know which person to pay which price to? If the people that paid 1.2 mil per share sold their shares, it would be impossible to track that. Does everyone get paid 1 mil per share (thus screwing over the ones who paid more) or does he pay 1.2 mil per share (thus overpaying the original investors).
Quote: Chapter 8 - Exit Strategy
If the Titan BPC market dies we will liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
If I am hit by a bus the trustees will sub up their trial account directors and liquidate all assets and pay all recovered isk to our investors.
That's the closest thing to a buyback stated in the IPO. I can only assume liquidation for any reason would be handled the same way, intentional or not.
I encountered the same issue with the Ugly Toys Holdings IPO (my first MD offering), because in the last expansion to it I auctioned off shares rather than going for a fixed price, later when I refinanced the IPO into the Ugly Toys Holdings 4% BOND I hit the issue of overpaying early investors and underpaying late investors compared to what they had originally put into the IPO. Now while I was under no obligation to resolve this issue I decided to raise additional funds with the BOND and set two different prices for the two different groups so that everyone got back more than they put in.
I suspect that in the "lottery win" scenario that B77 suggests I would be in a position to act with similar generosity, but since such a scenario is highly unlikely (I don't play the lottery and I don't think I'd buy out the IPO with my winnings even if I did) we should instead consider the particular scenario laid out in the exit strategy. If I get hit by a bus and the trustees are called in to liquidate the IPO and pay off all investors how will they do so? The answer is simple, they will give the same to each shareholder by issuing dividends in the same way that profits are currently distributed. So if the IPO was to charge an official price of more than 1m per share those buying in at that price would be at risk (as with anyone currently buying at over 1m per share) of losing out in the case of liquidation.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:30:00 -
[1956]
Originally by: SetrakDark The restriction of the issuance to current investors is an imperfect yet viable solution; it is, however, a solution that could be improved upon if investors feel that they are not all reaping the benefits, which they are not.
Which is, I believe, where I started this discussion as I am looking for another viable solution that brings us nearer to perfection by allowing all investors (and the IPO itself) to reap the benefits.
At present my favourite solution is to offer a fixed number of shares at a fixed price that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 100,000 at 1.1m for 110b total) then retain a portion of the isk raised that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 1.05m per share for 105b total) and pay an expansion dividend to all shareholders (Example: 5b dividended).
With this approach the existing shareholder that does not buy new shares or flip their shares benefits from an increase in NAV that slightly outpaces the increase in shares and an expansion dividend that compensates for the short term reduction in dividend per share caused by the BPC production lead times.
The new shareholder buys "overpriced" shares (Example: 1.1m per share when the actual NAV value is somewhere between 1m and 1.1m) but is taking a calculated risk in doing so. They will be planning to make up the difference through future dividends, through future NAV growth or by re-selling their shares at a higher price.
The flipper gets to buy shares at 1.1m and sell them at 1.2m to 1.3m a share as they currently do.
The existing shareholder that buys new shares gets a blend of these deals depending on the exact ratio of existing shares to new shares.
The IPO benefits by improving its NAV per share ratio and thereby increasing its long term dividend capabilities as well as generally being a better IPO as a result of fairer treatment of it's investors.
I benefit because I am a shareholder, because increased profits result in a larger management fee and because the whole system is only slightly more complicated to administrate than the current one.
I'm interested to see if anyone can come up with a better solution than this when all parties are considered.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:35:00 -
[1957]
Directors
I would consider adding some voting roles to other people.
1. Although Kazzac may appear online he has no presence on MD anymore, and has not done so for at least a year. I am sure people would like the directors to be public and accessible.
2. I thought PP had severely limited play time (may not be playing at all).
That basically leaves AC155 and Shar as director/trustees. Both of these I consider completely trustworthy but a couple more bodies wouldn't hurt, especially public ones.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 17:57:00 -
[1958]
Originally by: Bad Bobby We still have PP, Shar, AC155 and Kazzac as trustees. Kazzac's "absence" is debatable as I see him online fairly often. Even if you assume him to be absent then there are still 3 trustees that are active that can vote down any attempt by me to unlock a BPO without good reason. Should a trustee attempt to unlock the BPOs then I would also vote down their attempt.
We still have multiple directors in the SuperSekrit corp, including at least two (mine and one trustees) that are currently subbed. These director alts are there in case I am hit by a bus so that the operation can be liquidated.
I do not believe there is any need for concern.
If we do add an additional trustee we have to remember that they are being trusted with 342+ billion so the number of candidates are increasingly small.
Originally by: cosmoray Directors
I would consider adding some voting roles to other people.
1. Although Kazzac may appear online he has no presence on MD anymore, and has not done so for at least a year. I am sure people would like the directors to be public and accessible.
2. I thought PP had severely limited play time (may not be playing at all).
That basically leaves AC155 and Shar as director/trustees. Both of these I consider completely trustworthy but a couple more bodies wouldn't hurt, especially public ones.
All very fair points.
The key points of my post were:
1. I do not believe there is any need for concern or put another way: DON'T PANIC! 2. We need to be very carefull who we bring in as trustees. 3. Given 1 and 2 I believe we can afford to take a little time to resolve this issue correctly.
So the questions are:
1. How many trustees should we add? 2. Who do we (the shareholders) trust to perform this function? 3. Do they need to have director alts to provide further liquidation ability or are we sufficiently protected there?
I'm thinking:
1. Three. To bring the total to 7, including 2 that may not be active but already have shares, alts and full knowledge of the SuperSekrit corp and POS so there is little point in removing them. Plus me makes 8, worth considering when you consider that a trustee is also in the position to unlock the BPOs and run with them. But from the point of view of fully active and functioning trustees that aren't me we would have 5 which gives ample protection.
2. That's a big question that I'm going to have to give a lot of thought to personally.
3. I don't think so, at least not all of them. Remember that if they do not have a director alt then they cannot actually steal anything or propose an unlock vote so they are "safer" trustees. We do however have to have at least two reliable liquidators.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:13:00 -
[1959]
When the government of other official people tell you not to panic, that is the time you have to panic!
Run to the hills
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.08.25 18:26:00 -
[1960]
Agree totally there is no reason to panic. So far it is a well run business without management issues. It is inevitable that people leave the game or slow down their activities and need to be periodically replaced or added to just like in RL.
As the fund grows I don't see a problem with growing the board.
Some people could be given shares with no director roles whose only duty is to vote on lock/unlock procedures. The directors could stay the same as they are trustworthy enough to liquidate, and if the other BOD members didn't think so they could vote against unlock.
Plenty of time to take people on board.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:04:00 -
[1961]
yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:37:00 -
[1962]
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
This or Emmgel imo. Since it would be safeR to assume that a majority investor have the best interest of the venture in mind.
Though personally I do not see a reason for another trustee to be involved, the 3 currently in place is fine by me.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.25 19:47:00 -
[1963]
Well if it helps, I don't mind disclosing that (assuming the expansion goes ahead, which I suspect it will) I will have 40,000 shares in this venture.
As I say, the offer is there if people feel it would be helpful.
Emmgel
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:31:00 -
[1964]
Originally by: Emmgel Well if it helps, I don't mind disclosing that (assuming the expansion goes ahead, which I suspect it will) I will have 40,000 shares in this venture.
As I say, the offer is there if people feel it would be helpful.
Emmgel
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
This or Emmgel imo. Since it would be safeR to assume that a majority investor have the best interest of the venture in mind.
Though personally I do not see a reason for another trustee to be involved, the 3 currently in place is fine by me.
I agree, on the basis that "lock/unlock vote" control is provided by SuperSekrit corp shares but "steal everything that isn't nailed down" control is not provided to these individuals because being a large shareholder does align your interests with the IPO but does not prevent you from wanting to take it all. No offense intended.
So I would recommend these new trustees:
1. Emmgel, the 2nd largest shareholder both currently and after the expansion. 2. Ji Sama, the 3rd largest shareholder both currently and after the expansion. 3. Jadun, the 5th largest shareholder now and the 4th largest shareholder after the expansion.
I have presumed that Ji Sama would not object to taking a trustee position and have proposed a general shareholder vote on the decision that these three are given lock/unlock control shares.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:36:00 -
[1965]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Emmgel Well if it helps, I don't mind disclosing that (assuming the expansion goes ahead, which I suspect it will) I will have 40,000 shares in this venture.
As I say, the offer is there if people feel it would be helpful.
Emmgel
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
Originally by: Ji Sama
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
I would like to offer myself. For the position of Director.
This or Emmgel imo. Since it would be safeR to assume that a majority investor have the best interest of the venture in mind.
Though personally I do not see a reason for another trustee to be involved, the 3 currently in place is fine by me.
I agree, on the basis that "lock/unlock vote" control is provided by SuperSekrit corp shares but "steal everything that isn't nailed down" control is not provided to these individuals because being a large shareholder does align your interests with the IPO but does not prevent you from wanting to take it all. No offense intended.
So I would recommend these new trustees:
1. Emmgel, the 2nd largest shareholder both currently and after the expansion. 2. Ji Sama, the 3rd largest shareholder both currently and after the expansion. 3. Jadun, the 5th largest shareholder now and the 4th largest shareholder after the expansion.
I have presumed that Ji Sama would not object to taking a trustee position and have proposed a general shareholder vote on the decision that these three are given lock/unlock control shares.
Are you replacing the old team with these new members or are these in addition to.
This could be good and bad:
Spread the shares out enough, half the people may miss the votes. Spread the shares out enough, more people to notice whats going on.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:39:00 -
[1966]
Do the trustees that I have recommended require a cut of the profits for their appointment or are they happy to simply protect their own investment? We currently have one paid trustee (who it must be said keeps his director alt subbed and shows a very keen interest in the IPO) who receives 1% of profits. I would not refuse a 1% cut to any additional trustee if they requested it but I believe that such a request should be public prior to shareholders voting on the appointment as that cut would come out of the dividend.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:42:00 -
[1967]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Do the trustees that I have recommended require a cut of the profits for their appointment or are they happy to simply protect their own investment? We currently have one paid trustee (who it must be said keeps his director alt subbed and shows a very keen interest in the IPO) who receives 1% of profits. I would not refuse a 1% cut to any additional trustee if they requested it but I believe that such a request should be public prior to shareholders voting on the appointment as that cut would come out of the dividend.
Wihtout being an @sshole. If one of the new people that come onboard what a % then those that refuesed it from the start should get it as well.
Also still need clearification does this replace those of us that have been doing this. I let you basicly do as you need, but I am always watching :)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:45:00 -
[1968]
Originally by: Proton Power Are you replacing the old team with these new members or are these in addition to.
This could be good and bad:
Spread the shares out enough, half the people may miss the votes. Spread the shares out enough, more people to notice whats going on.
Firstly, I take this post as proof that PP isn't afk and is paying attention as I believed!
Secondly, my intention is NOT to replace the old team but to add additional trustees (I believe I stated this in an earlier post) as I believe that spreading the shares out is the most secure option here. The potential for half the shareholders to miss the vote is not an issue in my opinion as the votes pass/fail on the vote of the majority of respondants and therefore it doesn't matter if half do not notice provided those that do notice vote against an incorrect unlock vote. The majority rules and those that do not vote are not counted at all.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:55:00 -
[1969]
Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Bad Bobby Do the trustees that I have recommended require a cut of the profits for their appointment or are they happy to simply protect their own investment? We currently have one paid trustee (who it must be said keeps his director alt subbed and shows a very keen interest in the IPO) who receives 1% of profits. I would not refuse a 1% cut to any additional trustee if they requested it but I believe that such a request should be public prior to shareholders voting on the appointment as that cut would come out of the dividend.
Wihtout being an @sshole. If one of the new people that come onboard what a % then those that refuesed it from the start should get it as well.
It is only right that the existing trustees get to change their decision in response to the decision of new trustees.
Originally by: Proton Power I am always watching :)
I never doubted it.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.25 20:58:00 -
[1970]
yo ho
as for me i would not want a % cut for being a director.
P.S. where do i sent the iskis to for the expansion bad bobby or t4u ?
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:00:00 -
[1971]
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
I would of course decline any compensation associated with this, since I pushed for the same with the other trustees back in the beginning.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:07:00 -
[1972]
In all this discussion I missed something...
The expansion vote passed.
YES: 97.2% NO: 2.8%
If you are on this list you may send your isk now:
Originally by: Bad Bobby Existing Shareholder Reservations
8,000 Bad Bobby 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 5,000 Ji Sama 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 600 Xi Khan 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 1,900 Biff Hanran 200 Jovan Geldon 1,000 Jeddeita 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,699 Anastasia Heron
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
The eagle eyed will notice my reservation has been reduced from 10,000 to 8,000. This was to allow Jadun to increase his reservation from 8,000 to 10,000 without impacting anyone else. I may offer some of my reservation to other queued investors as I might have a small liquidity issue caused by my inability to add one number to another... I'll check in the morning when I am sober enough to see the numbers clearly.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:09:00 -
[1973]
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
as for me i would not want a % cut for being a director.
P.S. where do i sent the iskis to for the expansion bad bobby or t4u ?
Send isk to Titans 4U
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.08.25 21:26:00 -
[1974]
Originally by: Bad Bobby I'm interested to see if anyone can come up with a better solution than this when all parties are considered.
It makes me nervous because it's unorthodox, but I can't see any serious faults. Furthermore, it is far more fair than letting a few rich investors dominate all the gains that other shareholders earned as well. The biggest issue is picking the correct price that still fills the target amount.
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Trayjan
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:02:00 -
[1975]
4B ISK sent.
(also voted to add trustees.)
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:28:00 -
[1976]
2.001b ISK sent, voted yes to additonal trustees.
Apologies for the incorrect comment further up regarding shares being offered to new shareholders on this one, not sure where I got that from (fail reading when tired most likely).
Originally by: Bad Bobby At present my favourite solution is to offer a fixed number of shares at a fixed price that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 100,000 at 1.1m for 110b total) then retain a portion of the isk raised that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 1.05m per share for 105b total) and pay an expansion dividend to all shareholders (Example: 5b dividended).
That sounds like a reasonable strategy for now. I'd personally prefer retaining the additonal revenue and using it for BPC trade rather than immediate payout in the form of dividends to existing shareholders.
Couple of questions though, you've stated your intention to attempt to increase the fund over the next few months to a year without issuing new shares (or I might have misread that). If so, what will be your ongoing policy in terms of share valuation at issue, if in a year's time you manage to significantly increase the value of the IPO.
Are you capping new shares at 1.1m or 10% on issue? What if people start trading shares at 1.5mil each or higher for a sustained period?
If your intention is to increase the value of the IPO, presumably not all profits will be paid in dividends. How will you split profits to be retained and those to be paid in dividends? Might have missed this if it was covered earlier, if so apologies.
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:28:00 -
[1977]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Jadun yo ho
as for me i would not want a % cut for being a director.
P.S. where do i sent the iskis to for the expansion bad bobby or t4u ?
Send isk to Titans 4U
100M ISK sent
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Norah Sin
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Posted - 2010.08.25 22:33:00 -
[1978]
4B ISK sent
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.08.25 23:55:00 -
[1979]
If any of you that were shut out of the expansion are still looking to acquire shares I have ~1315 remaining that I'll sell for 1.2m per share - evemail me.
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Nexo92
Death Incarnate INC
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Posted - 2010.08.26 00:04:00 -
[1980]
200m ISK sent
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Onyth
Had Holdings
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Posted - 2010.08.26 01:14:00 -
[1981]
Isk for 2000 shares has been sent to Titans 4U
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.08.26 05:37:00 -
[1982]
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel what will be your ongoing policy in terms of share valuation at issue, if in a year's time you manage to significantly increase the value of the IPO.
I would calculate share value by NAV/shares and then apply the expansion premium on top.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Are you capping new shares at 1.1m or 10% on issue? What if people start trading shares at 1.5mil each or higher for a sustained period?
I have no problem with people trading the shares at any price and it wouldn't greatly effect my decision on the expansion premium. I'd be looking to use the smallest premium that delivers the desired expansion and dividend so as not to create a large inbalance between old and new shares. I want the official premium shares (not the privately re-sold ones) to always be sold at a price where an investor can expect to see a profit in a reasonable timeframe.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel If your intention is to increase the value of the IPO, presumably not all profits will be paid in dividends. How will you split profits to be retained and those to be paid in dividends?
Profits from BPCs produced from BPOs -> Dividends Profits from BPCs bought and resold -> Growth
Currently the split is 342b BPOs to 108b growth fund. I will be buying additional BPOs to rebalance that more towards BPOs, with the intention to buy one new BPO soon and another later once enough growth has occured.
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GX307
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Posted - 2010.08.26 06:03:00 -
[1983]
I hope I counted those zeros right, isk sent.
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Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.08.26 07:32:00 -
[1984]
Also confirm that I would not require compensation for the trustee position discussed.
Will send 10.4b ISK to T4U when I log on this evening GMT.
Emmgel
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 09:16:00 -
[1985]
BUY OFFER
I am interested in buying up to 2000 T4U shares at 1,1. Minimum 400 shares at a time.
Answers here or evemail.
Thx.
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Pierced Brosmen
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.08.26 09:49:00 -
[1986]
2b isk sent to Titans 4U
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AnthonyKiedis
Goldmen's Sacks
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:46:00 -
[1987]
4.5B isk sent.
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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
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Posted - 2010.08.26 16:50:00 -
[1988]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
At present my favourite solution is to offer a fixed number of shares at a fixed price that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 100,000 at 1.1m for 110b total) then retain a portion of the isk raised that is above the 1m per share standard (Example: 1.05m per share for 105b total) and pay an expansion dividend to all shareholders (Example: 5b dividended).
From all the suggestions so far, this one sounds good to me (bias alert: existing shareholder here). -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager |
Zilkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:04:00 -
[1989]
o/ isk sent for ore shares
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.26 17:24:00 -
[1990]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel what will be your ongoing policy in terms of share valuation at issue, if in a year's time you manage to significantly increase the value of the IPO.
I would calculate share value by NAV/shares and then apply the expansion premium on top.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel Are you capping new shares at 1.1m or 10% on issue? What if people start trading shares at 1.5mil each or higher for a sustained period?
I have no problem with people trading the shares at any price and it wouldn't greatly effect my decision on the expansion premium. I'd be looking to use the smallest premium that delivers the desired expansion and dividend so as not to create a large inbalance between old and new shares. I want the official premium shares (not the privately re-sold ones) to always be sold at a price where an investor can expect to see a profit in a reasonable timeframe.
Originally by: Phoebe Halliwel If your intention is to increase the value of the IPO, presumably not all profits will be paid in dividends. How will you split profits to be retained and those to be paid in dividends?
Profits from BPCs produced from BPOs -> Dividends Profits from BPCs bought and resold -> Growth
Currently the split is 342b BPOs to 108b growth fund. I will be buying additional BPOs to rebalance that more towards BPOs, with the intention to buy one new BPO soon and another later once enough growth has occured.
i rather see another expansion later. then see the play money used as seed money.
i throught the fund was only to be used to resell bpc.
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.26 18:36:00 -
[1991]
10b ISK sent to Titans 4U
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Kell Braugh
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.08.26 21:14:00 -
[1992]
Originally by: Titans 4U
1,000 Kell Braugh
1 bil isk sent to "Titans 4U"
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.27 06:23:00 -
[1993]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 600 Xi Khan 1,000 Morrow Borric 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 1,900 Biff Hanran 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron
PAID
10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
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Morrow Borric
Minmatar Morrow Prime Industries
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Posted - 2010.08.27 17:15:00 -
[1994]
Isk sent ------------------------------------------ "I used to play Eve Online because I enjoyed how it made me feel, now I play to stop from getting sick." |
Lecksi
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.08.27 19:23:00 -
[1995]
Would like to reserve 10 bills worth of shares please@ price discussed in email
Thanks
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.27 19:57:00 -
[1996]
Originally by: Lecksi Would like to reserve 10 bills worth of shares please@ price discussed in email
Thanks
Sorry, you've missed the boat. All of the new shares have been bought already.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.27 20:10:00 -
[1997]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
600 Xi Khan 300 Banque 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 1,900 Biff Hanran 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron
PAID
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,000 Morrow Borric
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
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Xi Khan
Caldari Vengeance Imperium Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.08.27 20:48:00 -
[1998]
600m sent
*Large felines can be dangerous but a little pus** never hurt anyone*
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Lecksi
Unknown Soldiers
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Posted - 2010.08.27 21:58:00 -
[1999]
how did i miss the boat you never stated the number of shares avaliable to existing share holders out of the total new share created from the vote, if i missed this please link here to validate
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Banque
Lonely Pear Inc.
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Posted - 2010.08.28 06:31:00 -
[2000]
Isk sent to Bad Bobby by mistake Sorry
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.28 06:46:00 -
[2001]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron
PAID
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,900 Biff Hanran 600 Xi Khan 300 Banque
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.08.28 10:09:00 -
[2002]
Edited by: Quadrantid on 28/08/2010 10:12:10
Originally by: Titans 4U
PAID
100 Quadrantid
Just out of interest, when should we expect to receive our shares? I'm currently in the process of a big move (UK to Australia), so my net access is a bit intermittent, and I don't want to have to keep finding pay-to-use internet in my travels to see if the shares have arrived yet ;)
Cheers!
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Miyuki Suzumiya
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Posted - 2010.08.28 10:56:00 -
[2003]
3b ISK sent to Titans 4U
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Jeddeita
Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.08.28 13:54:00 -
[2004]
ISK Sent for 1000 Shares. ---------- EVEStuff.net - High Quality Corp & Alliance Web Hosting |
Anastasia Heron
Amarr 0ccam's Razor Industries Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.28 14:56:00 -
[2005]
Sorry, didn't see where we'd been given the go-ahead to send ISK. Will send today (from a different character but that will be noted in the transfer notes). I'd send now but my netbook can't run EVE :D -----
Originally by: CCP Mitnal please don't make allegations about other people's sexuality, post in avoidance of the forum filter and especially not post derogatory comments about someone else's mother |
Jadun
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Posted - 2010.08.28 19:55:00 -
[2006]
yo ho
i would like to buy another 2000 shares at 1 mil isk per share
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Anastasia Heron
Amarr 0ccam's Razor Industries Galactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.08.28 21:41:00 -
[2007]
1.699b ISK sent. -----
Originally by: CCP Mitnal please don't make allegations about other people's sexuality, post in avoidance of the forum filter and especially not post derogatory comments about someone else's mother |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.29 06:34:00 -
[2008]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155 300 Marijke Mcneely
PAID
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,900 Biff Hanran 600 Xi Khan 300 Banque 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.29 06:59:00 -
[2009]
The shareholder vote to install Emmgel, Ji Sama and Jadun as trustees has completed with 94.8% approval.
I will propose a vote to create new shares in the SuperSekrit corp. Titans For You shareholders don't have to do anything as the vote will be via the SuperSekrit corp shares. The existing trustees will have to allow the creation vote to pass and then I will send out the new shares to the additional trustees.
Originally by: Quadrantid when should we expect to receive our shares?
I was planning to leave it until all the isk was in so I can send out all the shares in one sitting.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Bert Rebus
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Posted - 2010.08.29 15:07:00 -
[2010]
Isk sent for 600 shares.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.08.31 14:59:00 -
[2011]
I should be online late tonight to catch up with everything and send out the shares. If not tonight then I'll definately be able to sort everything out on my day off tommorrow. Sorry for the delays, I started a new job with long shifts at just the wrong time!
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.01 09:09:00 -
[2012]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
300 Marijke Mcneely
PAID
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,900 Biff Hanran 600 Xi Khan 300 Banque 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
I'm sending out the shares now.
Also, I have been asked to sell 5000 shares on behalf of an investor. The price is 1.1m per share and they are available in blocks of 1000 shares (1100m). First come, first served.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.01 09:22:00 -
[2013]
Existing Shareholder Reservations
UNPAID
300 Marijke Mcneely
PAID & SENT
8,000 Bad Bobby 5,000 Ji Sama 10,400 Emmgel 1,000 Kithran 2,000 max ikabon 10,000 Jadun 4,500 AnthonyKiedis 2,001 Phoebe Halliwel 5,000 Lord Schmock 5,000 Marbo Slyder 1,000 jwingenderowns 1,000 GX307 4,000 Norah Sin 450 Zilkin 1000 Gagarthoe III 7,000 Kapila Parthalan 2,000 Onyth 4,000 Trayjan 200 Jovan Geldon 2,000 Pierced Brosmen 500 Captain Siria 1,000 Kell Braugh 1,000 Sandrane Kipler 10,000 Dalden V 4,000 Philip Ogtaulmolfi 200 Nexo92 100 Quadrantid 250 Archielaus 1,000 Morrow Borric 1,900 Biff Hanran 600 Xi Khan 300 Banque 1,000 Jeddeita 3,000 Miyuki Suzumiya 1,699 Anastasia Heron 600 Bert Rebus 5,000 Amarr Citizen 155
Total: 108,000 of 108,000
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.09.01 10:32:00 -
[2014]
Originally by: Titans 4U Existing Shareholder Reservations
Also, I have been asked to sell 5000 shares on behalf of an investor. The price is 1.1m per share and they are available in blocks of 1000 shares (1100m). First come, first served.
Interested in 2000 shares at 1,1 million.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:27:00 -
[2015]
Originally by: Philip Ogtaulmolfi Edited by: Philip Ogtaulmolfi on 01/09/2010 10:43:45
Originally by: Titans 4U Existing Shareholder Reservations
Also, I have been asked to sell 5000 shares on behalf of an investor. The price is 1.1m per share and they are available in blocks of 1000 shares (1100m). First come, first served.
Interested in 4000 shares at 1,1 million.
Send the isk over and I'll transfer the shares when I next log on.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Saoirse McToal
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Posted - 2010.09.01 11:46:00 -
[2016]
Interested in 100 shares at 1.1m
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Dalden V
Blue Lounge Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.01 17:54:00 -
[2017]
Thank you, shares (10,000) have been received.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.01 19:36:00 -
[2018]
Originally by: Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Originally by: Titans 4U Existing Shareholder Reservations
Also, I have been asked to sell 5000 shares on behalf of an investor. The price is 1.1m per share and they are available in blocks of 1000 shares (1100m). First come, first served.
Interested in 4000 shares at 1,1 million.
Shares sent
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.09.01 20:21:00 -
[2019]
I'm selling another block of t4u shares at 1.1m per share. Evemail is still the best way to reach me.
CQ
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.01 21:54:00 -
[2020]
Confirming receipt of 100 shares :D
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Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Milking Interstellar Incorporated.
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Posted - 2010.09.02 06:57:00 -
[2021]
Confirming I received:
[email protected] [email protected]
Thx.
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Execer
Apex Consortium DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.09.02 12:47:00 -
[2022]
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Philip Ogtaulmolfi
Originally by: Titans 4U Existing Shareholder Reservations
Also, I have been asked to sell 5000 shares on behalf of an investor. The price is 1.1m per share and they are available in blocks of 1000 shares (1100m). First come, first served.
Interested in 4000 shares at 1,1 million.
Shares sent
Are there any shares left? I would be interested in the last 1000 @ 1.1 if they have not already been sold. Can transfer ISK when I get home tonight.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.09.02 19:35:00 -
[2023]
Originally by: Execer
Are there any shares left? I would be interested in the last 1000 @ 1.1 if they have not already been sold. Can transfer ISK when I get home tonight.
Confirming sale of 1000 shares to Execer via BB.
CQ
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Marijke Mcneely
Caldari Apex Consortium DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.09.02 21:17:00 -
[2024]
hi there so sorry i was so bussy whit my new house totaly forgot it but isk sent to titans 4u sorry for the delay
greets marijke
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 02:48:00 -
[2025]
I'd sell some t4u shares if anyone was interested. Shoot me an evemail or convo.
-----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****. |
Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.03 06:51:00 -
[2026]
Originally by: Marijke Mcneely hi there so sorry i was so bussy whit my new house totaly forgot it but isk sent to titans 4u sorry for the delay
greets marijke
Shares sent.
That's everyone done. Thanks for another painless expansion!
I now have 6000 shares for sale at 1.1m so if anyone missed their chance and wishes to buy in, let me know.
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Ubi Dellmar
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Posted - 2010.09.03 07:55:00 -
[2027]
I would be interested in 200 shares at 1.1m ISK each if they are still available.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.03 08:02:00 -
[2028]
Originally by: Ubi Dellmar I would be interested in 200 shares at 1.1m ISK each if they are still available.
Sure, send the isk to Titans 4U and I'll send the shares when I next log him on.
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.03 11:38:00 -
[2029]
Edited by: Quadrantid on 03/09/2010 11:40:43
Originally by: Titans 4U
Originally by: Ubi Dellmar I would be interested in 200 shares at 1.1m ISK each if they are still available.
Sure, send the isk to Titans 4U and I'll send the shares when I next log him on.
As ever, I'm keen on getting more shares -- am acquiring ISK as fast as I can to do so :)
I've sent 55M for another 50 shares (with hopes that some are still available), and will be looking at getting another 50 in the next few days, if any are left by then :)
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Imperator Principes
Minmatar Super Secret Gentlemen's Squadron The Final Stand.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 12:45:00 -
[2030]
100 Shares @ 1.1 Million if I could sir.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.03 13:42:00 -
[2031]
Edited by: Titans 4U on 03/09/2010 13:43:15
Originally by: Quadrantid I've sent 55M for another 50 shares
Shares sent!
Originally by: Imperator Principes 100 Shares @ 1.1 Million if I could sir.
Send me the isk and I'll send you the shares.
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Titans 4U
Titans For You
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Posted - 2010.09.03 15:47:00 -
[2032]
Originally by: Ubi Dellmar I would be interested in 200 shares at 1.1m ISK each if they are still available.
Shares sent!
Titan BPCs courtesy of Titans For You |
eXistentiA
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.09.03 18:25:00 -
[2033]
looking to pick up another 600 shares if there some going ---------- corporate solutions
Professional graphic and webdesigners Free hosting and payments by isk |
United Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.03 22:59:00 -
[2034]
Edited by: United Tech on 03/09/2010 23:01:56 I'm looking to sell 200 shares @ 1.1mil.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:11:00 -
[2035]
***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
-----------------/finger I only post on MD when I'm too drunk too give a ****. |
United Tech
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:16:00 -
[2036]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
Well that just made things interesting.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:18:00 -
[2037]
buying t4u shares 1 isk
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:18:00 -
[2038]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
Thats really odd as all that is needed is to remove director roles (well basically any wallet related roles including director).
So kicking them makes it impossible for anyone to start a CEO takeover as that vote can only start from someone inside the corp
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:19:00 -
[2039]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
Military experts are calling this a corporation theft.
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Venetian Tar
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:22:00 -
[2040]
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
Military experts are calling this a corporation theft.
where the **** did my like button go? |
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:26:00 -
[2041]
Edited by: AtheistOfFail on 03/09/2010 23:26:27
Originally by: Venetian Tar
Originally by: AtheistOfFail
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 ***IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT***
ALL TRADING OF T4U SHARES HAS BEEN SUSPENDED. DO NOT BUY/SELL ANY T4U SHARES.
At 06:54 eve time on 2010.09.03, 5 votes were started to unlock the 5 titan bpo's in the "super secret corp". The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
This is either a really mean test of the system or Bad Bobby has decided to cut and run. More info to come as it is available.
Military experts are calling this a corporation theft.
where the **** did my like button go?
Let's just turn this into a WIdot thread and be done with it.
WIdot Status: Active
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Venetian Tar
United Systems Navy Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.03 23:30:00 -
[2042]
confirming this is now a widot thread and im drunk \o/ |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:23:00 -
[2043]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
Thats really odd as all that is needed is to remove director roles (well basically any wallet related roles including director).
So kicking them makes it impossible for anyone to start a CEO takeover as that vote can only start from someone inside the corp
AC155 hasn't got it exactly right.
I removed all roles from the trustee alts prior to starting the vote to create 600 new shares (at around 06:57 on 29/08/10) in order to prevent them from taking the shares from the wallet, which they would have been able to do if I had left them with director roles.
The vote to create the 600 new shares passed (at 06:57 on 30/08/10 with 100% approval) and I took the 600 new shares. I combined those with my 200 shares and the 200 shares of one trustee to give me 1000 shares of voting power (an overall majority) out of the total of 1800 shares.
I only kicked the trustee alts out this morning (around 06:54 on 03/09/10) before starting the unlock votes on the 5 Titan BPOs.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:26:00 -
[2044]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 The director alts were kicked out the previous day supposedly to "keep any of you from grabbing the 600 votes that were created for the new directors".
Thats really odd as all that is needed is to remove director roles (well basically any wallet related roles including director).
So kicking them makes it impossible for anyone to start a CEO takeover as that vote can only start from someone inside the corp
AC155 hasn't got it exactly right.
I removed all roles from the trustee alts prior to starting the vote to create 600 new shares (at around 06:57 on 29/08/10) in order to prevent them from taking the shares from the wallet, which they would have been able to do if I had left them with director roles.
The vote to create the 600 new shares passed (at 06:57 on 30/08/10 with 100% approval) and I took the 600 new shares. I combined those with my 200 shares and the 200 shares of one trustee to give me 1000 shares of voting power (an overall majority) out of the total of 1800 shares.
I only kicked the trustee alts out this morning (around 06:54 on 03/09/10) before starting the unlock votes on the 5 Titan BPOs.
Someone translate this. I'm not even gonna pretend to understand it.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:26:00 -
[2045]
Originally by: Bad Bobby AC155 hasn't got it exactly right.
I removed all roles from the trustee alts prior to starting the vote to create 600 new shares (at around 06:57 on 29/08/10) in order to prevent them from taking the shares from the wallet, which they would have been able to do if I had left them with director roles.
The vote to create the 600 new shares passed (at 06:57 on 30/08/10 with 100% approval) and I took the 600 new shares. I combined those with my 200 shares and the 200 shares of one trustee to give me 1000 shares of voting power (an overall majority) out of the total of 1800 shares.
I only kicked the trustee alts out this morning (around 06:54 on 03/09/10) before starting the unlock votes on the 5 Titan BPOs.
How did you get the 200 shares from a trustee?
I guess this is just another scenario which has to be taken into account when securing future offerings.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:28:00 -
[2046]
I agree with Estel, some fishy stuff going on.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:28:00 -
[2047]
Originally by: Estel Arador How did you get the 200 shares from a trustee?
I guess this is just another scenario which has to be taken into account when securing future offerings.
It involved a bottle of vodka and a tub of vaseline. Are you sure you want the full details?
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Bud Tugly
Empire Arms Dealers
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:32:00 -
[2048]
A whole tub? Wow.
Back on topic. Sooooo.....why the votes to unlock the BPO's?
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:33:00 -
[2049]
You have not said it out loud, but it certainly looks as if all shareholders and other investors are done for.
I wonder how many of the T4U shares you brokered these last weeks were your own shares
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Zea Aestria
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:34:00 -
[2050]
ITT: BB breaks my heart.
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Execer
Apex Consortium DEM0N HUNTERS
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:35:00 -
[2051]
I would also like confirmation that you are about to become a very rich player so I can go to bed!
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:41:00 -
[2052]
So let's get the record straight for further reference.
Everyone got scammed and the OP is about to walk away with not 1, not 2, not even 3 but 4 titan BPOs.
This is AoF coming to you live from the scene of the corporate theft on the same day that CCP releases a corporation theft trailer. Everyone but the people who just got shafted are laughing at the irony right now.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:42:00 -
[2053]
Originally by: SetrakDark buying t4u shares 1 isk
Offer withdrawn.
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Syris Kyller
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:47:00 -
[2054]
For all you T4U investers out there.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:50:00 -
[2055]
Originally by: AtheistOfFail So let's get the record straight for further reference.
Everyone got scammed and the OP is about to walk away with not 1, not 2, not even 3 but 4 titan BPOs.
Titans For You has 5 Titan BPOs, a faction deathstar POS, some Titan BPCs and a very, very large pile of cash.
Also Titans For You isn't the only venture I am running that involves public isk or public assets.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:52:00 -
[2056]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: AtheistOfFail So let's get the record straight for further reference.
Everyone got scammed and the OP is about to walk away with not 1, not 2, not even 3 but 4 titan BPOs.
Titans For You has 5 Titan BPOs, a faction deathstar POS, some Titan BPCs and a very, very large pile of cash.
Also Titans For You isn't the only venture I am running that involves public isk or public assets.
So, which one's the next one to be robbed/failscade. I'd love to get a week-long forecast and also sell off if i have any of those
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thebarry
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:56:00 -
[2057]
omy
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:03:00 -
[2058]
Wow. Well played, I guess. Everyone after him in your merlins! --
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:10:00 -
[2059]
hmm, you say T4U has 5 bpo's, not had.
I mean, the evidence you mention is piling up, and you have certainly proven you can take all of it out of T4U. But you have not actually said you will take all of it.
At east the scam prevention as set up in the original proposals has been circumvented. And to a certain extend the trustees have failed to do their job properly. Your spotless record so far allowed you to lull everyone into a false sense of security and take advantage of it for potentially a huge amount of isk.
Now we shall see what happens next All this makes me wonder who else besides Emmgel may lose more than me on this venture.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:25:00 -
[2060]
Also, i'm buying every share anyone can spare for 1 isk each. I'm really bored so just send them and i'll send you some isk or send me a mail.
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Zea Aestria
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:26:00 -
[2061]
Edited by: Zea Aestria on 04/09/2010 01:27:23
Originally by: Martosh Toma
Now we shall see what happens next All this makes me wonder who else besides Emmgel may lose more than me on this venture.
Bad Bobby has yet to admit to a scam. But in game, he has claimed that he has 850 billion ISK of public money/assets.
Edit: never mind. Bad Bobby has just admitted to the scam in the other thread started by Proton Power.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:29:00 -
[2062]
Originally by: Zea Aestria Edited by: Zea Aestria on 04/09/2010 01:27:23
Originally by: Martosh Toma
Now we shall see what happens next All this makes me wonder who else besides Emmgel may lose more than me on this venture.
Bad Bobby has yet to admit to a scam. But in game, he has claimed that he has 850 billion ISK of public money/assets.
Edit: never mind. Bad Bobby has just admitted to the scam in the other thread started by Proton Power.
He already did here
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Deus Mallius
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:13:00 -
[2063]
Quote: Chapter 7 - Regarding Disclosure of Main and Alts
I will not be disclosing the identity of all my mains and alts for reasons of security. However, trustees involved in this operation and other MD notables are aware of the identities of many of my characters and will no doubt publish them if I were to scam.
hmm......
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Cheque Please
Hot Like Mexico
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:15:00 -
[2064]
BB, just curious (if you want to answer honestly)...
Did you intend to scam from the very start 1+ yrs ago, or did boredom set in somewhere along the way and you got tired of running the fund? --- WORMHOLE SERVICE RL Meeting w/ Chribba
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Saidin Thor
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:15:00 -
[2065]
Originally by: Deus Mallius
Quote: Chapter 7 - Regarding Disclosure of Main and Alts
I will not be disclosing the identity of all my mains and alts for reasons of security. However, trustees involved in this operation and other MD notables are aware of the identities of many of my characters and will no doubt publish them if I were to scam.
hmm......
Doesn't matter now. With access to that kind of money he could completely start fresh with no real money from buddy invites + plex's and buying characters, essentially giving him any skills he had before with no history, if he cared that much.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 02:16:00 -
[2066]
Originally by: Cheque Please BB, just curious (if you want to answer honestly)...
Did you intend to scam from the very start 1+ yrs ago, or did boredom set in somewhere along the way and you got tired of running the fund?
Bolded part is never gonna happen. He is a scammer, don't forget
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Warped Aggression
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Posted - 2010.09.04 03:32:00 -
[2067]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 04/09/2010 03:32:25 Have to say I'm sorry for those who invested in this but I'm glad I got out when I did.
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:16:00 -
[2068]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I removed all roles from the trustee alts prior to starting the vote to create 600 new shares (at around 06:57 on 29/08/10)
So wait, the trustee's roles were dropped almost a week ago, and they didn't scream bloody murder and stop the creation of new shares? Some serious fail there.
I'm sad to see another EvE institution collapse in scandal. But I lucked out by never having enough idle ISK to become an investor.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:36:00 -
[2069]
Originally by: Cheque Please BB, just curious (if you want to answer honestly)... Did you intend to scam from the very start 1+ yrs ago, or did boredom set in somewhere along the way and you got tired of running the fund?
He already answered this question in the other thread.
Had the trustees done their work properly and insisted the installment of the new trustees would have been done securely, then T4U would still be a running business.
From his explanations so far I concluded the following:
Once the trustees allowed for the creation of 600 new shares at once all was lost. The current trustees should have insisted the shares in the super sekrit corp, for the new trustees, would be created in batches. Having each newly assigned trustee confirming receiving the shares before a new batch was to be created.
Proton claims to have protested extending the number of trustees, but did not vote against the creation of the 600 new shares. I guess most either looked at the presented end situation, but forgot that during the installment process bb would have a controlling number of shares. Or perhaps, they considered their position to be merely ornamental and mostly a 'hit by bus' contingency as bb had 'proven' himself to be trustworthy.
Them failing at their job created the opportunity for BB to run off with all T4U assets. Having taken this opportunity with T4U BB felt no further obligation to repay any of his other less well secured (or even unsecured, like the loan Emmgel and me provided him with) public investments.
He may present a more detailed explenation later as promised.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:40:00 -
[2070]
gratulations to everybody who still had trust in the secondary capital market after all those scams. got you right. dont invest there is a high chance ull get scammed.
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Mme Pinkerton
United Engineering Services
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Posted - 2010.09.04 05:48:00 -
[2071]
Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 04/09/2010 05:49:28
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I removed all roles from the trustee alts prior to starting the vote to create 600 new shares (at around 06:57 on 29/08/10)
So wait, the trustee's roles were dropped almost a week ago, and they didn't scream bloody murder and stop the creation of new shares? Some serious fail there.
The trustees probably put some alts they never log in on in the corporation and transferred the shares to their mains in order to be informed of new votes.
In theory this should result in a stalemate in case of a scam: the trustees get kicked but can deny any unlocking of BPOs. Of course shareholders won't see a compensation for the scam in this case, the scammer can continue to use the BPOs to make profit but as he cannot properly "own" (move, sell) them anymore the incentives for a scam have hopefully been diminished (I always wonder if people in MD are generally aware of this when investing in secure ventures).
The only way to mitigate this issue is not to make the business manager CEO - but then the trustee with CEO rights will probably try to scam.
Did cosmoray transfer his shares back to Bad Bobby (if he did, that was obviously an mistake and he should have split them proportionally to between the trustees and the CEO) or is one of the other trustees the culprit/Bad Bobby's alt?
In any case kudos to cosmoray for insisting on appointing a replacement trustee even when most people didn't seem to care - this might have made think Bad Bobby a little harder about the possible holes in the share seeding process but was obviously the right thing to do nevertheless.
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins I'm sad to see another EvE institution collapse in scandal.
maybe people in MD will at some point become able to distinguish the rule from the exception^^
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:06:00 -
[2072]
Originally by: Martosh Toma
Originally by: Cheque Please BB, just curious (if you want to answer honestly)... Did you intend to scam from the very start 1+ yrs ago, or did boredom set in somewhere along the way and you got tired of running the fund?
He already answered this question in the other thread.
Had the trustees done their work properly and insisted the installment of the new trustees would have been done securely, then T4U would still be a running business.
From his explanations so far I concluded the following:
Once the trustees allowed for the creation of 600 new shares at once all was lost. The current trustees should have insisted the shares in the super sekrit corp, for the new trustees, would be created in batches. Having each newly assigned trustee confirming receiving the shares before a new batch was to be created.
Proton claims to have protested extending the number of trustees, but did not vote against the creation of the 600 new shares. I guess most either looked at the presented end situation, but forgot that during the installment process bb would have a controlling number of shares. Or perhaps, they considered their position to be merely ornamental and mostly a 'hit by bus' contingency as bb had 'proven' himself to be trustworthy.
Them failing at their job created the opportunity for BB to run off with all T4U assets. Having taken this opportunity with T4U BB felt no further obligation to repay any of his other less well secured (or even unsecured, like the loan Emmgel and me provided him with) public investments.
He may present a more detailed explenation later as promised.
I can see why you would think the entirety of the blame rests with the trustees, but actually that's quite incorrect. The trustees were put in place to act according to the shareholders' votes and to stop a random unlock. When the shareholders voted to add 3 new trustees and give each 200 shares I don't recall seeing anyone say anything about it, other than to agree with it. (except for PP in public and a couple other trustees in private)
The corp directors were put in place in case of a hit by a bus situation so they could liquidate the assets. They were not put in place to stop a theft because the individual most likely to commit it was the CEO and could remove roles and boot everyone without being stopped.
Over the past several months the shareholders have grown increasingly complacent, allowing things such as inactive trustees to go on without demanding action be taken. This is how MD has always worked, it relies too heavily on the duration of an investment when making decisions related to that investment.
I know lots of people lost their isk on this one but at the same time the signs have been there and we all decided ignore them. It sucks to hear, but as a shareholder it is your responsibility to keep up with your investments and blow the whistle when you don't agree with something.
My only question would be, did Kazzac hand over his trustee shares.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:27:00 -
[2073]
I still have my trustee shares along with some investor shares. In the share creation I voted no (as an investor) and for unlock votes I voted no (as a trustee).
However the investors (assuming that all of them are not complicit in the end game scheme) created the opportunity for BB to take control away from security measures. But don't let that stop the rabble rousing pitchfork brigade from lighting a few torches.
That would be unrealistic in the extreme.
PS: Not posting != not reading. Having said my share, I'm back to lurkerville to make room for the mob of idiots.
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:40:00 -
[2074]
so you say we shareholders should have should have described in detail to you how we wanted the installment process for the new trusteed to be performed?
I do not claim to be free of my own share of the blame on this one, but assuming that creation and distribution of shares in a trustee corporation is done in a manner preventing a share majority in anyones hands at any time is not such a strange assumption. After all, that safe distribution of shares and risk is the very thing it was set up for. Then again many people (myself not excluded) seem to have a blind spot for security in these transitional processes. Most people seem to assume all is well if both the starting and ending situation are secure and the process linking them appears to be the most direct path between the 2 situations. Most likely a discussion on the security of the installment process for the additional trustees would only have occurred if it had included more than one vote to create extra shares or some other complexity from the start. Because this would have been giving the impression of a (needlessly?) complex process warning everyone to pay attention to what was going on.
PS: I lost 4B on your and the other trustees failure in this and almost 20B on my own gullibility. I know the majority of the guilt for my loss lies squarely with me.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:46:00 -
[2075]
Originally by: Martosh Toma so you say we shareholders should have should have described in detail to you how we wanted the installment process for the new trusteed to be performed?
I do not claim to be free of my own share of the blame on this one, but assuming that creation and distribution of shares in a trustee corporation is done in a manner preventing a share majority in anyones hands at any time is not such a strange assumption. After all, that safe distribution of shares and risk is the very thing it was set up for. Then again many people (myself not excluded) seem to have a blind spot for security in these transitional processes. Most people seem to assume all is well if both the starting and ending situation are secure and the process linking them appears to be the most direct path between the 2 situations. Most likely a discussion on the security of the installment process for the additional trustees would only have occurred if it had included more than one vote to create extra shares or some other complexity from the start. Because this would have been giving the impression of a (needlessly?) complex process warning everyone to pay attention to what was going on.
PS: I lost 4B on your and the other trustees failure in this and almost 20B on my own gullibility. I know the majority of the guilt for my loss lies squarely with me.
Something else to add to the discussion that others might have already mentioned, BB was CEO of the Titan corp. This meant that regardless of shares he could have booted everyone and not been stopped. Sure the trustees could vote down any unlock votes but he would never have to give the bop's up and there's nothing that could have made him due to game mechanics, something I didn't consider and I guess no one else considered. It would have been a scam stalemate. Something to consider in the future.
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Molten Platypii
Minmatar Viduus Solus
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:49:00 -
[2076]
Edited by: Molten Platypii on 04/09/2010 06:49:42 Edited by: Molten Platypii on 04/09/2010 06:49:13 I see a Chapter 11 tomorrow...
So, when can I expect a dividend payment?
(I'm merely a 100 stock shareholder )
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 06:59:00 -
[2077]
Originally by: Molten Platypii Edited by: Molten Platypii on 04/09/2010 06:49:42 Edited by: Molten Platypii on 04/09/2010 06:49:13 I see a Chapter 11 tomorrow...
So, when can I expect a dividend payment?
(I'm merely a 100 stock shareholder )
Can i buy one off you? I wanna have at least 1 share of this just so i don't forget.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:10:00 -
[2078]
Oh wow 850bil, can't say that i endorse this tho.Lots of people have their nerves broken.Hope all recover in time.I also hope the whole thing was worth it to bb. knowledge is power |
Aurora Mahair
Minmatar The Program Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:12:00 -
[2079]
*********************************************** -Aurora Mahair
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 07:17:00 -
[2080]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Martosh Toma so you say we shareholders should have should have described in detail to you how we wanted the installment process for the new trusteed to be performed?
I do not claim to be free of my own share of the blame on this one, but assuming that creation and distribution of shares in a trustee corporation is done in a manner preventing a share majority in anyones hands at any time is not such a strange assumption. After all, that safe distribution of shares and risk is the very thing it was set up for. Then again many people (myself not excluded) seem to have a blind spot for security in these transitional processes. Most people seem to assume all is well if both the starting and ending situation are secure and the process linking them appears to be the most direct path between the 2 situations. Most likely a discussion on the security of the installment process for the additional trustees would only have occurred if it had included more than one vote to create extra shares or some other complexity from the start. Because this would have been giving the impression of a (needlessly?) complex process warning everyone to pay attention to what was going on.
PS: I lost 4B on your and the other trustees failure in this and almost 20B on my own gullibility. I know the majority of the guilt for my loss lies squarely with me.
Something else to add to the discussion that others might have already mentioned, BB was CEO of the Titan corp. This meant that regardless of shares he could have booted everyone and not been stopped. Sure the trustees could vote down any unlock votes but he would never have to give the bop's up and there's nothing that could have made him due to game mechanics, something I didn't consider and I guess no one else considered. It would have been a scam stalemate. Something to consider in the future.
Bobby did make it clear that this was the case earlier in the thread, though, so there would have been no grounds for complaint (re: security) if this had happened. The possibility of stalemate was an advertised feature and, presumably, accepted by investors. |
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Estella Vance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 08:30:00 -
[2081]
Originally by: Estella Vance 1000 shares, please; I really hope this is not some multibillion scam
I was so naive back those days
I think this multihundredbillion scam has finally killed my willingness to play any investment mini-games in environment, where such scams are not only allowed, but also praised by some, and promoted by others. Not that it's bad for the game; what would be eve, without a good drama?
So long, and thanks for all the amusement
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GX307
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Posted - 2010.09.04 08:50:00 -
[2082]
Edited by: GX307 on 04/09/2010 08:50:30 Well crap, this sucks.
GIFT
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:41:00 -
[2083]
It amazing how many idiots allways fall for such stuff.
hint: If it sounds too good, prepare yourself to get ripped.
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.09.04 09:49:00 -
[2084]
Originally by: bitters much hint: If it sounds too good, prepare yourself to get ripped.
That's what is really amazing - T4U never even sounded good.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:13:00 -
[2085]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 BB was CEO of the Titan corp. This meant that regardless of shares he could have booted everyone and not been stopped. Sure the trustees could vote down any unlock votes but he would never have to give the bop's up and there's nothing that could have made him due to game mechanics, something I didn't consider and I guess no one else considered.
Any corp member with 5% or more of the shares cannot be kicked from the corp without a vote. I've known this for quite some time and thought this was widely known (at least among those with an interest in share mechanics like MD regulars). I assumed that any people with alts in holding corps (not just this one, but everywhere) would keep at least 5% of the total shares on the shares on the alt (even if it's inactive, you'd still have 15% to vote with). Apparently this is not the case. Anyone who is currently securing any other offerings should take measures immediately.
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Yansa Tholus
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:23:00 -
[2086]
Hell yeah!
Securing assets 101 anyone?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:29:00 -
[2087]
Originally by: Estel Arador Any corp member with 5% or more of the shares cannot be kicked from the corp without a vote. I've known this for quite some time and thought this was widely known (at least among those with an interest in share mechanics like MD regulars). I assumed that any people with alts in holding corps (not just this one, but everywhere) would keep at least 5% of the total shares on the shares on the alt (even if it's inactive, you'd still have 15% to vote with). Apparently this is not the case. Anyone who is currently securing any other offerings should take measures immediately.
I kept my shares in the wallet of my alt in the secret corp. The trustees each kept their shares on their mains.
Kicking them out of the corp wasn't strictly needed though.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:34:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Bad Bobby Kicking them out of the corp wasn't strictly needed though.
In this case, since you had a controlling amount of shares it wasn't.
There was a short exchange above discussing the deadlock which would result from the alts being kicked if the manager doesn't have more than half of the shares. Such a deadlock does not need to occur, ever.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:38:00 -
[2089]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Martosh Toma
Originally by: Cheque Please BB, just curious (if you want to answer honestly)... Did you intend to scam from the very start 1+ yrs ago, or did boredom set in somewhere along the way and you got tired of running the fund?
He already answered this question in the other thread.
Had the trustees done their work properly and insisted the installment of the new trustees would have been done securely, then T4U would still be a running business.
From his explanations so far I concluded the following:
Once the trustees allowed for the creation of 600 new shares at once all was lost. The current trustees should have insisted the shares in the super sekrit corp, for the new trustees, would be created in batches. Having each newly assigned trustee confirming receiving the shares before a new batch was to be created.
Proton claims to have protested extending the number of trustees, but did not vote against the creation of the 600 new shares. I guess most either looked at the presented end situation, but forgot that during the installment process bb would have a controlling number of shares. Or perhaps, they considered their position to be merely ornamental and mostly a 'hit by bus' contingency as bb had 'proven' himself to be trustworthy.
Them failing at their job created the opportunity for BB to run off with all T4U assets. Having taken this opportunity with T4U BB felt no further obligation to repay any of his other less well secured (or even unsecured, like the loan Emmgel and me provided him with) public investments.
He may present a more detailed explenation later as promised.
I can see why you would think the entirety of the blame rests with the trustees, but actually that's quite incorrect. The trustees were put in place to act according to the shareholders' votes and to stop a random unlock. When the shareholders voted to add 3 new trustees and give each 200 shares I don't recall seeing anyone say anything about it, other than to agree with it. (except for PP in public and a couple other trustees in private)
The corp directors were put in place in case of a hit by a bus situation so they could liquidate the assets. They were not put in place to stop a theft because the individual most likely to commit it was the CEO and could remove roles and boot everyone without being stopped.
Over the past several months the shareholders have grown increasingly complacent, allowing things such as inactive trustees to go on without demanding action be taken. This is how MD has always worked, it relies too heavily on the duration of an investment when making decisions related to that investment.
I know lots of people lost their isk on this one but at the same time the signs have been there and we all decided ignore them. It sucks to hear, but as a shareholder it is your responsibility to keep up with your investments and blow the whistle when you don't agree with something.
My only question would be, did Kazzac hand over his trustee shares.
I may have missed something here but as far as I can see there was no public shareholder vote on creating 600 extra shares, only on installing new directors. I also can't find any discussion in this thread about the creation of extra shares. Indeed, on p. 66 Bobby talks about spreading the shares out rather than creating new ones. If this is right, and as I say, I may have missed something, doesn't this place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the trustees for unnecessarily agreeing to the creation of extra shares when this creation had neither been discussed nor sanctioned by the public shareholders and when the new trustees could have just been given shares by the existing trustees? |
Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:10:00 -
[2090]
Heeh, all the investors are apparently worried about getting too emotional and become the laughing stock of MD, they (as always happens) try hard to limit themselves to "oh, well played Sir Bobby".
So I guess it is up to me to say the obvious: [b]Bad Bobby is a f***ing r*tard. He was just another sociopath that got a hardon from smoothtalking associates while planning to stab them in the back. If you keep caressing him like he was Jessica Alba, it doesn't make you look better.
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Ramingo
Caldari Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:15:00 -
[2091]
Cista, I guess it's the nature of the game. People applaud a 74 plex kill, 40 bill suicide gank etc... so why not 850 billion loot in market PVP.
It's crappy that he did it, he was earning nice profits till now and there was no reason for it for him other than to get e-pride, but he has pulled off the biggest scam in eve's history (although e-bank's impact was larger, Riddic only made off with 150 or 250 bill I think) and that's what people are applauding him for. Especially those that didn't invest and can now continue to laugh at the investors in the same fashion everybody laughs at regular pvp victims.
Too bad this is going to shatter the market for a long time though, just as no feasible banks came up after the bank scandals.
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oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:22:00 -
[2092]
and its good that way. people need to recognise that investing is folly without ingame support. if u try to earn dividends with no work u pay for it by losing your capital.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:24:00 -
[2093]
Originally by: Ramingo Especially those that didn't invest and can now continue to laugh at the investors in the same fashion everybody laughs at regular pvp victims.
I didn't invest, and I am not laughing at the investors. I feel bad for them. And I feel bad for myself, I have people around me panicking left right and centre atm because of this enormous pile of sh** that is Bad Bobby. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:27:00 -
[2094]
Originally by: RAW23 doesn't this place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the trustees
It depends very much on how much "responsibility" the shareholders defer to the trustees.
The trustees were clearly charged with two very specific tasks:
1. Vote against unauthorised unlock votes. 2. Liquidate in the event of my death.
They performed these tasks to specification.
There has been much discussion and much suggestion of the trustees being responsible for more than just these two tasks.
It can be said that they were responsible for monitoring the Super Sekrit Corp and it's assets and this is something that normal shareholders could not do, but the original specification called for only unsubbed trial account directors and therefore it would not have been possible for them to do this. Amarr Citizen 155 actually exeeded his charge by keeping his director alt subbed for the entire duration and checking in on the Super Sekrit Corp at intervals. While sharholders and onlookers may have wished the trustees to do more in this area it cannot be said that they were officially responsible for these tasks.
It can be said that they were responsible for maintaining security by providing oversight on all activities occuring with the Super Sekrit Corp shares. This was also something that normal shareholders could not do. Once again, this was not in the IPO plan. This is an area where we can expect ongoing disagreement. Trustees have an argument for this not being their problem and shareholders have an argument for their expectation of superlative performance from their trustees.
It can be said that they were responsible for general oversight on the operation of Titans For You and therefore they have responsibility for the share creation proceedure that lead to my scam. This can only be true to the extent that all investors were responsible for such oversight and the protection of their investment. As shareholders you cannot really dump your responsibility on to the trustees, or on the MD elite, or on auditors, or on anyone other than yourself for the safety of your isk. While it may please you to blame the trustees for allowing this to occur you have to accept that you had the same oppertunity as they did to inquire as to the process for adding new trustees and to ensure it was secure. I even started a discussion on this subject so that you could all say your bit.
Obviously these gaps in the procedures and these grey areas where responsibilities were not clearly defined were exactly what I counted upon for the success of my scam.
Originally by: Cista2 Bad Bobby is a f***ing r*tard. He was just another sociopath that got a hardon from smoothtalking associates while planning to stab them in the back.
I can't disagree with being labelled a sociopath. I'm not sure if r*tard is the right word though.
Originally by: Cista2 this enormous pile of sh** that is Bad Bobby.
That's more like it. Let it all out.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:30:00 -
[2095]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 04/09/2010 11:31:47 Nice haul!
1) The clue was with the OP's avatar - a suspicious hooded figure whos face is shrouded in darkness.
2) The original post was - Edited by: Titans 4U on 04/09/2010 01:37:17 - Anyone known what was ninjad out of the OP last night?
SKUNK
(o)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:31:00 -
[2096]
Personally, I think you should just blame me. You are on firm ground there.
Of course, blaming the trustees makes for more entertaining drama. So suit yourself.
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:33:00 -
[2097]
Another day another scam. Why are people even surprised? Especially the long term players? OK the scale of it in raw ISK figures is big but the bottom line is in this game griefing, scamming and even general ****ty behavior is even encouraged! You only have to read the forum let alone play the game to see aspects of it positively reek.
Eve: There are no limits! To how low people can sink.
I'm not complaining or trolling, just stating the obvious. I agree with that picture about anonymity and the internet bringing the worst out in people by the way. And in this game it is encouraged. Make of that what you will.
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Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:34:00 -
[2098]
Originally by: Bad Bobby That's more like it. Let it all out.
I speak my mind, without any filters. Others lie for a living.
I am not saying that what you achieved is not remarkable. I am just saying that you succeeded because you are sick, and it is not something to be admired. ----------------------- "Signatures" chatroom / Hydra Fund / LLSE Stock Market |
Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:35:00 -
[2099]
Originally by: Le Skunk 2) The original post was - Edited by: Titans 4U on 04/09/2010 01:37:17 - Anyone known what he ninjad out of the OP last night?
I have edited the OP many times over the IPO's duration, but only to change the thread title. For example, I changed it to say "Expansion in progress" and things like that. I edited it last night to remove the "Expansion on page XY". I was considering changing it to "Scam on page XY" but I decided against that since the other thread concerning the scam was sufficient.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:39:00 -
[2100]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Le Skunk 2) The original post was - Edited by: Titans 4U on 04/09/2010 01:37:17 - Anyone known what he ninjad out of the OP last night?
I have edited the OP many times over the IPO's duration, but only to change the thread title. For example, I changed it to say "Expansion in progress" and things like that. I edited it last night to remove the "Expansion on page XY". I was considering changing it to "Scam on page XY" but I decided against that since the other thread concerning the scam was sufficient.
Ahhh thanks for the reply :)
SKUNK (o)
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:40:00 -
[2101]
I can now understand how the trustees did not notice that their trial accounts had their roles dropped. But their duties to block rogue unlocks includes the responsibility to ensure that no one including the CEO gets the majority of shares.
Blame the investors at large for continually voting for and funding cash expansions. It's debatable whether to blame the investors at large for allowing dead trustees -- it would not be a problem as long as the majority of active shares are not owned by one person. But do not blame the investors for the creation and seizure of 600 shares in a corporation they do not have voting rights for and that they trusted the trustees to monitor.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 11:49:00 -
[2102]
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins that they trusted the trustees to monitor.
This is the key element.
Of course they trusted the trustees to monitor this, but was that expectation truely justified? I can see both sides of the argument of course, but from a contractual point of view you would really have to say:
Where is it written that the trustees were responsible for this task and where did the trustees state that they accepted that responsibility?
If you can find a legitimate quote in the 100+ pages of discussion in the IPO thread and the prior discussion thread that covers this statement of responsibility and it's acceptance then you are on firm ground. I don't believe such a quote exists.
It might be something to consider for future ventures: a firm contract. However, if we go down that route then you know where it will lead:
Lawyers? In my eve?
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc Blood Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:14:00 -
[2103]
Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Ramingo Especially those that didn't invest and can now continue to laugh at the investors in the same fashion everybody laughs at regular pvp victims.
I didn't invest, and I am not laughing at the investors. I feel bad for them. And I feel bad for myself, I have people around me panicking left right and centre atm because of this enormous pile of sh** that is Bad Bobby.
I didn't invest , am not laughing and not panicking if that comforts you abit cista .
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:27:00 -
[2104]
I bought 3 shares just to be a part of EVE history. Boy did I get my money's worth
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:29:00 -
[2105]
Edited by: RAW23 on 04/09/2010 12:30:02
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Yendor Widdershins that they trusted the trustees to monitor.
This is the key element.
Of course they trusted the trustees to monitor this, but was that expectation truely justified? I can see both sides of the argument of course, but from a contractual point of view you would really have to say:
Where is it written that the trustees were responsible for this task and where did the trustees state that they accepted that responsibility?
If you can find a legitimate quote in the 100+ pages of discussion in the IPO thread and the prior discussion thread that covers this statement of responsibility and it's acceptance then you are on firm ground. I don't believe such a quote exists.
It might be something to consider for future ventures: a firm contract. However, if we go down that route then you know where it will lead:
Lawyers? In my eve?
Well, I would take the statement of corporate governance from the first post to cover this pretty clearly:
Quote:
Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
I am CEO and sole member of Titans For You.
I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trustees:
Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 Kazzac Elentria
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp.
This statement seems to make the trustees responsible for general monitoring. Of course, it doesn't explicitly say "for the prevention of scams" as opposed to "for their amusement" or something else but that is pretty clearly implied.
I'm not interested in 'blaming' the trustees. I'm pretty sure I would have been taken in in exactly the same way if I had been in their position but I don't think this means they are not responsible (as I also would have been). The blame obviously falls on you as the thief and the investors as well for trusting the trustees. But the trustees were in a position to prevent the scam (or at least delay it somewhat) and failed to do so. The choices by the shareholders to agree to more directors or a new public share issue did not lead inexorably to this position, as Shar and AC have suggested. The thing that allowed it was the trustees allowing you to create the additional shares in one block (and again, I have to admit that I probably wouldn't have seen the danger, especially without knowledge that you also held Kazzac's shares).
On the issue of Kazzac being MIA, this is obviously the responsibilty of all investors for proceeding happily despite knowing of this issue. I would be interested to know, though, if any of the trustees knew whether you were holding his shares?
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Lillith Starfire
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:29:00 -
[2106]
This topic doesn't impact me in any meaningful way either but I found this quote interesting in another thread not far away
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I do want to see the EVE financial markets develop into something more mature. That said, I do believe it is important that security remain a player generated product rather than something 100% controlled by game mechanics and policies. I want EVE to grow but I do not want to see it dumbed down by game mechanics or official policies that give 100% security at the cost of the sandbox, the risk and the fun that comes from it all. As a PvPer, a pirate and a scammer my entire playstyle depends upon risk for my entertainment.
I still can't believe people trusted in him not to scam. He openly admits being a scammer and the only line being not to scam charities. Not that that line can be trusted either.
So anyway, what will you do with all the ISK Bobby?
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:32:00 -
[2107]
Originally by: RAW23
Quote:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp.
This statement seems to make the trustees responsible for general monitoring. Of course, it doesn't explicitly say "for the prevention of scams" as opposed to "for their amusement" or something else but that is pretty clearly implied.
If I remember correctly it was explicitly stated that the alts would be for liquidation after a hit-by-a-bus incident only, and would not be able to prevent a scam. The fact that the proposal mentions "un-subbed trial account alts" should leave no ambiguity as to the amount of monitoring going on.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 12:46:00 -
[2108]
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: RAW23
Quote:
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp.
This statement seems to make the trustees responsible for general monitoring. Of course, it doesn't explicitly say "for the prevention of scams" as opposed to "for their amusement" or something else but that is pretty clearly implied.
If I remember correctly it was explicitly stated that the alts would be for liquidation after a hit-by-a-bus incident only, and would not be able to prevent a scam. The fact that the proposal mentions "un-subbed trial account alts" should leave no ambiguity as to the amount of monitoring going on.
That was also my understanding of the in-corp alts and their role. But the responsibility for monitoring was not connected to the unsubbed corp alts specifically but, rather, to the actual people who would own those alts and would also have shares on their mains. Regardless of the corp alts, the mains were in a position to "monitor" the arrangements for new share creation and provide oversight to prevent exactly this type of scam.
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:16:00 -
[2109]
Heh -- well, I got scammed good and proper :)
Fortunately, I'm a fairly poor char (just back after a series of lengthy breaks), so I only had 650 shares at the end (all my wealth, but easily recoupable!).
That said...
WTS 650 shares in this clearly solvent and still relevent concern, 1M ISK each ;)
Not gonna work, is it? :S Still, 'tis only time and virtual money!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:51:00 -
[2110]
Originally by: RAW23 you also held Kazzac's shares
Why do you think I hold Kazzac's shares? I've not said that and I'm sure when Kazzac reads this he'll point out that they are still safely in his wallet.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:03:00 -
[2111]
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I'd sell some t4u shares if anyone was interested. Shoot me an evemail or convo.
I find that most interesting as it was done @ 2:48 on 3/9/10 and then 200 director shares get sent to Bobby and he tells everyone to stop trading shares @ 23:11 3/9/10.
Which would indicate that AC had some knowledge this might happen and was putting out a warning.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:19:00 -
[2112]
Edited by: RAW23 on 04/09/2010 14:26:03
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 you also held Kazzac's shares
Why do you think I hold Kazzac's shares? I've not said that and I'm sure when Kazzac reads this he'll point out that they are still safely in his wallet.
Humblest apologies to Kazzac! I misread a previous post: p. 1 of the other thread - PP talks about the four active directors needing to sign in and you then replied that there was a fifth and you had his shares - I took this to mean you had the shares of the inactive director but I see it doesn't need to be read that way.
So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:35:00 -
[2113]
Originally by: RAW23 So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
Ok. Time to let that bit of drama die, I suppose.
I didn't take anyone's shares from them, rather I did not give them their shares in the first place. The shares in question were created for Cosmoray and were never sent to him. They just sat in the corp wallet. He actually mentioned this at least once in this thread a long time back.
Originally by: RAW23 And who will be the first trustee to blow the corp name and location so people can start camping that system?
Corp: Aurum Labs
Location: Madirmilire
You can camp it all you like. The POS was taken down before the unlock votes were started. The BPOs have already been unlocked and shipped to Jita.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:41:00 -
[2114]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
Ok. Time to let that bit of drama die, I suppose.
I didn't take anyone's shares from them, rather I did not give them their shares in the first place. The shares in question were created for Cosmoray and were never sent to him. They just sat in the corp wallet. He actually mentioned this at least once in this thread a long time back.
None of the other directors noticed this or said anything about it. They did have director access after all, even if on disposable alts, they had to have noticed it before the 14 day trial expired.
That makes them just as guilty
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Arous Drephius
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:43:00 -
[2115]
My only question is what are you going to do with all that ISK?
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:48:00 -
[2116]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
Ok. Time to let that bit of drama die, I suppose.
I didn't take anyone's shares from them, rather I did not give them their shares in the first place. The shares in question were created for Cosmoray and were never sent to him. They just sat in the corp wallet. He actually mentioned this at least once in this thread a long time back.
None of the other directors noticed this or said anything about it. They did have director access after all, even if on disposable alts, they had to have noticed it before the 14 day trial expired.
That makes them just as guilty
Cosmoray was not a trustee from e start, he was added sometime later, FYI.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:50:00 -
[2117]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
Ok. Time to let that bit of drama die, I suppose.
I didn't take anyone's shares from them, rather I did not give them their shares in the first place. The shares in question were created for Cosmoray and were never sent to him. They just sat in the corp wallet. He actually mentioned this at least once in this thread a long time back.
None of the other directors noticed this or said anything about it. They did have director access after all, even if on disposable alts, they had to have noticed it before the 14 day trial expired.
That makes them just as guilty
Cosmo was not one of the original directors. He was added later.
AC155 and any other director that kept his account subbed could have spotted it if they had looked at the shareholder section of the corp wallet and realised what they saw. If they had then I would have been all "whoops I forgot", but since nobody did except Cosmoray and nobody paid any attention to him I just happily sat on those shares knowing that all I needed was another 401 for an overall majority.
Cosmo could have taken the shares from the corp wallet himself since he had a director alt.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:55:00 -
[2118]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
AC155 and any other director that kept his account subbed could have spotted it if they had looked at the shareholder section of the corp wallet and realised what they saw. If they had then I would have been all "whoops I forgot", but since nobody did except Cosmoray and nobody paid any attention to him I just happily sat on those shares knowing that all I needed was another 401 for an overall majority.
Cosmo could have taken the shares from the corp wallet himself since he had a director alt.
So then that makes them just as guilty.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:59:00 -
[2119]
Originally by: Breaker77 So then that makes them just as guilty.
Hang them all!
Never mind accepting responsibility for your own stupidity for investing in something that was never secure to begin with and was labelled as such ad nauseum by all concerned.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:00:00 -
[2120]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby
AC155 and any other director that kept his account subbed could have spotted it if they had looked at the shareholder section of the corp wallet and realised what they saw. If they had then I would have been all "whoops I forgot", but since nobody did except Cosmoray and nobody paid any attention to him I just happily sat on those shares knowing that all I needed was another 401 for an overall majority.
Cosmo could have taken the shares from the corp wallet himself since he had a director alt.
So then that makes them just as guilty.
This proves my stance about BoDs, big boureaucracy structures, flatulent organizations with 1000 heads, each turned where the sun does not shine. Once again, RL is the example, I wonder why people fail to see the consistent connections. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:01:00 -
[2121]
You should walk a mile in the trustee's shoes before you blame them really. I probably would have done a better job in their position, but then I would have probably maneuvered it so I could scam as a trustee instead. For most spectators and critics you would have been duped just the same. If not by this exact scenario then by one of my various backup plans.
These people are just playing a game. Roleplaying financial types with internet spaceships and forum fu. If things get missed easily in real life then you can expect the same here.
The system was stacked against them from the outset anyway.
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:04:00 -
[2122]
Things get missed in real life by tens of thousands of financial professionals, with copious audits, for hundreds of billions of real life dollars, with real penalties for the guilty, and real, extremely rigorous auditing processes.
Look at Madoff. Everyone knew he was a scam artist. They just didn't care because it was making them money for a while.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:08:00 -
[2123]
Edited by: Breaker77 on 04/09/2010 15:08:03
Originally by: Bad Bobby If not by this exact scenario then by one of my various backup plans.
Well, while you are telling it all, go ahead and tell us your great plans
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:30:00 -
[2124]
So Cosmo served his entire tenure as a "trustee" without ever picking up the tools he needed to do that job? That is pretty staggering.
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Proton Power
Amarr Luck Yourself Into Isk
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:08:00 -
[2125]
You can blame the trustee's if you wish but I will point out a few things:
1. I did not like the idea of more trustee's or shares, you can verify this yourself earlier in this thread. Actually I think I specifically said somthing like this could happen if not careful with so many trustee's and shares out there.
2. The investors voted for the shares, the trustee's went with what the share holders wanted.
3. Even if we controlled more of the shares, BB could still take away our Director roles, and put in a vote every day to unlock the BPO's. Sooner or later a trustee would miss that vote and BB woudl still walk away with the BPO's.
4. This was a flawed system from the start, it was pointed out by many, argued by many, but CCP created the system flawed.
5. Flame On!!!
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:15:00 -
[2126]
well PP. As Estel mentioned earlier which I didn't know, and others probably didn't as well. Is that is someone in a corp has 5% of the shares they can't be kicked.
That would have left someone in the corp to start a CEO takeover vote and gain control.
Hindsight is 20/20 meh
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:29:00 -
[2127]
Originally by: Proton Power You can blame the trustee's if you wish but I will point out a few things:
It's clearly not entirely the trustees fault but they were in a position to prevent this particular attempt (sounds like BB had others brewing though). I find it a bit disappointing that none have yet held their hands up and accepted some responsibility though. Cosmo is certainly culpable for taking on the positions but never actually taking possession of the shares he needed to do the job
Quote:
1. I did not like the idea of more trustee's or shares, you can verify this yourself earlier in this thread. Actually I think I specifically said somthing like this could happen if not careful with so many trustee's and shares out there. 2. The investors voted for the shares, the trustee's went with what the share holders wanted.
The investors voted on more directors, not on extra holding corp shares. I canÆt find any discussion about increasing the total quantity although there is talk about spreading shares around which might have been understood in this way. Extra directors could have been added by having each current director transfer a portion of their shares. The share creation could also have been managed in a way that removed this scenario by creating the shares in blocks.
Quote:
3. Even if we controlled more of the shares, BB could still take away our Director roles, and put in a vote every day to unlock the BPO's. Sooner or later a trustee would miss that vote and BB woudl still walk away with the BPO's.
ThatÆs true but this was an understood feature in the original discussion. When the trustees signed up to it they did so on the basis of this creating a stalemate situation, not on the inevitability of Bobby getting away with the prints. The trusteesÆ agreement on this point (stalemate as the worst case) was one of the things that helped to sell the shares in the first place. None of you said that you accepted this scenario would inevitably mean BB would end up with the prints when you took on the positions.
Quote:
4. This was a flawed system from the start, it was pointed out by many, argued by many, but CCP created the system flawed.
If you thought the system was fatally flawed from the start, why did you lend your name as in some way securing the IPO?
Quote:
5. Flame On!!!
IÆm not interested in flaming or starting a witch hunt but I donÆt buy that all the responsibility devolves to the investors for trusting the trustees and that none accrues to the trustees for putting themselves in a position to help sell the bond by claiming to provide some degree of security for it (what Ray called æenablingÆ the scam, if I understood his post in the other thread correctly).
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:34:00 -
[2128]
Far as I can tell, the directors could only really guarantee that if BB were hit by a bus, the assets wouldn't just stay in limbo forever.
Expecting any more than this of them is unrealistic and unfair to them. Unless they are given some kind of irrevocable power in corp (so, lead), they cannot be expected to guarantee anything other than a HBAB scenario.
The security of this venture was flawed (apparently by design) from the start. Anybody who invested has no one to blame but themselves (and obviously BB); sack up and accept it.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:39:00 -
[2129]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Proton Power 4. This was a flawed system from the start, it was pointed out by many, argued by many, but CCP created the system flawed.
If you thought the system was fatally flawed from the start, why did you lend your name as in some way securing the IPO?
I questioned this several times during the lifetime of this offer. I was either trolled out of town because of my lolbank ties or dismissed out of hand by said trustees (Shar specifically). Ultimately all they ended up doing was enabling this whole mess. Why they agreed to be the name behind securing an infallible offering is beyond me.
All I care is that they learn from this and don't make the same mistake again. They're all basically good people and shouldn't bear the brunt of people's misdirected anger for their own stupidity.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:44:00 -
[2130]
Originally by: Berikath Expecting any more than this of them is unrealistic and unfair to them.
This is not the issue. The issue is that their involvement validated the investment to many of the investors, this should not have happened. The argument was raised again and again that BB was using their combined trustworthiness to gain investment, no notice was taken and here we stand yet again, hands on hips wondering what the **** just happened.
Stop using your name to represent security if you cannot with all certainty secure it.
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SetrakDark
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:44:00 -
[2131]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Proton Power 4. This was a flawed system from the start, it was pointed out by many, argued by many, but CCP created the system flawed.
If you thought the system was fatally flawed from the start, why did you lend your name as in some way securing the IPO?
I questioned this several times during the lifetime of this offer. I was either trolled out of town because of my lolbank ties or dismissed out of hand by said trustees (Shar specifically). Ultimately all they ended up doing was enabling this whole mess. Why they agreed to be the name behind securing an infallible offering is beyond me.
All I care is that they learn from this and don't make the same mistake again. They're all basically good people and shouldn't bear the brunt of people's misdirected anger for their own stupidity.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:52:00 -
[2132]
Originally by: Berikath Edited by: Berikath on 04/09/2010 16:42:51 Far as I can tell, the directors could only really guarantee that if BB were hit by a bus, the assets wouldn't just stay in limbo forever.
Expecting any more than this of them is unrealistic and unfair to them. Unless they are given some kind of irrevocable power in corp (so, lead), they cannot be expected to guarantee anything other than a HBAB scenario.
The security of this venture was flawed (apparently by design) from the start. Anybody who invested has no one to blame but themselves (and obviously BB); sack up and accept it.
*edit*
Originally by: RAW23
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4. This was a flawed system from the start, it was pointed out by many, argued by many, but CCP created the system flawed.
If you thought the system was fatally flawed from the start, why did you lend your name as in some way securing the IPO?
He said flawed, not fatally flawed. The only fatal flaw in this system was the director; any other flaw would not INEVITABLY lead to a scam. Any plan has, by nature, flaws in it. The bar you are setting would require no one ever signing on as a trustee, since they could never 100% guarantee that, no matter what changes are voted on and made in the future, there will never be an opportunity to scam for anyone involved... so there would never be any IPOs with trustees (quite possibly meaning no IPOs.... period).
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5. Flame On!!!
IÆm not interested in flaming or starting a witch hunt but I donÆt buy that all the responsibility devolves to the investors for trusting the trustees and that none accrues to the trustees for putting themselves in a position to help sell the bond by claiming to provide some degree of security for it (what Ray called æenablingÆ the scam, if I understood his post in the other thread correctly).
See above. The trustees fulfilled their minimal duties, so you can't blame them for not doing extra leg-work that you didn't do either. If they were supposed to see the flaws in the plan before signing on as trustees, you (meaning anyone who invested) should have seen the flaws before investing.
IMHO- easy rule to live by? Expect less from anyone else than you expect from yourself, and CERTAINLY don't expect more.
PP's point 3 suggests that he now thinks the system was fatally flawed, i.e. that there was no way of stopping Bobby from taking the prints if he wanted to. In which case, there was no point in having share holding trustees at all. Their only value would have been to create an illusion of security.
As to the trustees fulfilling their minimal duties, at least one of them did not.
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Thoraemond
Minmatar Far Ranger
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Titans 4U I will not be disclosing the identity of all my mains and alts for reasons of security. However, trustees involved in this operation and other MD notables are aware of the identities of many of my characters and will no doubt publish them if I were to scam.
Perhaps I missed the list elsewhere, but what are all of Bad Bobby's other mains and alts? á á
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King Gore
The Church of Sentcha
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:58:00 -
[2134]
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Titans 4U I will not be disclosing the identity of all my mains and alts for reasons of security. However, trustees involved in this operation and other MD notables are aware of the identities of many of my characters and will no doubt publish them if I were to scam.
Perhaps I missed the list elsewhere, but what are all of Bad Bobby's other mains and alts?
It's called hydra for a reason.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:01:00 -
[2135]
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Titans 4U I will not be disclosing the identity of all my mains and alts for reasons of security. However, trustees involved in this operation and other MD notables are aware of the identities of many of my characters and will no doubt publish them if I were to scam.
Perhaps I missed the list elsewhere, but what are all of Bad Bobby's other mains and alts?
I'd be interested to know how close to a full list you get. There are some very good investigators in MD and I expect to be pleasantly suprised by how many you get... I'd also be interested to see how many get incorrectly labelled as a "BB alt".
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Tekota
legion industries ltd Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:08:00 -
[2136]
Low hanging fruit I know but to kick the alts list off: Mr Yage Mr Snaffle
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Quadrantid
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:08:00 -
[2137]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I'd also be interested to see how many get incorrectly labelled as a "BB alt".
It's going to be like Monty Python all over again.
"I'm BB and so's my wife!"
I'm actually quite interested in the psychology of all this. In my real, physical life, I've never been scammed. In fact, I'd've likely run a mile rather than invest any of my real cash in something like this without much, much stronger assurances. But in game, I was willing to invest all I had in something that bit me in the ass.
Ok, part of it is certainly that I just view this as a game, and was looking at a steady source of income while I have a break and move to a new country (yay -- one week to go!), but I wonder if there's more to it than that. It's interesting anyway - maybe the extra levels of distance between myself and the consequences make me more willing to take stupid risks?
Dunno -- but it's something to think about anyways!
Will be really interesting to see how this affects MD stuff over the coming months. This was my first dabble into investing - I wonder if, when I get some more money together, it will put me off having another go. Likely by the time I'm back from my break I'll have forgotten all about the downsides, and dive in again, to get burnt. Will have to try to tread a bit more carefully next time though!
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Utemetsu
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:35:00 -
[2138]
I just posted a show with a hefty portion dedicated to Titans 4 U. Listen here. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:40:00 -
[2139]
Originally by: Titans 4U The shareholder vote to install Emmgel, Ji Sama and Jadun as trustees has completed with 94.8% approval.
I will propose a vote to create new shares in the SuperSekrit corp. Titans For You shareholders don't have to do anything as the vote will be via the SuperSekrit corp shares. The existing trustees will have to allow the creation vote to pass and then I will send out the new shares to the additional trustees.
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Martosh Toma
I can see why you would think the entirety of the blame rests with the trustees, but actually that's quite incorrect. The trustees were put in place to act according to the shareholders' votes and to stop a random unlock. When the shareholders voted to add 3 new trustees and give each 200 shares I don't recall seeing anyone say anything about it, other than to agree with it. (except for PP in public and a couple other trustees in private)
The shareholders did not vote for the creation of 600 shares in the super-secret corp, only to "Add Emmgel, Ji Sama and Jadun as trustees." I think that the trustees are at least partly to blame for not ensuring the installation of new trustees was done securely. There was never any precise statement to the general shareholders about how the installation of new trustees was to proceed, and we had no direct control over that process. While we should have paid more attention to this, we were told we did not have to do anything, and I think that handling the transition securely was primarily the responsibility of the trustees. Why didn't they realize that Bad Bobby would have at least 800 shares at the same time, post a warning, and suggest transferring them in batches or by having all the trustees spread the shares out (as others have suggested after the fact)?
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Over the past several months the shareholders have grown increasingly complacent, allowing things such as inactive trustees to go on without demanding action be taken. This is how MD has always worked, it relies too heavily on the duration of an investment when making decisions related to that investment.
Inactive trustees did not threaten security very much as long as Bad Bobby only had the same number of shares as one trustee (which we now know was actually not the case following the failed installation of cosmoray as a trustee). There were always enough active trustees to ensure that any one of them could not steal the BPOs, and I believe there were generally at least 4 active BOD members (trustees + Bad Bobby) so that theft would require the collaboration of 3, just as if there were 5 active members (correct me if I'm wrong). So the only real security issue I can see was that an unlock vote might be more easily missed with less active trustees.
Originally by: Proton Power Problem is the investors voted to create more voting shares after i said it was a bad idea. So 600 more shares were created, meaning bad bobby has same shares we do now.
You did ask questions about this, but I reread the posts and I didn't see any of the trustees post anything about it being a bad idea. Can you point out your post if I missed it?
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Lecherito
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:42:00 -
[2140]
Can we now finally accept as a community that there is no such thing as "MD elite," no such thing as "he's proven himself in the past so he must be legit" ? Everyone, *everyone* is a potential scammer. There is no such thing as a "secure" investment. As long as people continue scrambling to fill **** offers like Proton Power's "loan request," these scams will happen again and again and again. To those of you who lost your life savings, tough. Consider it a lesson learned. The secondary market is imaginative, an emo personification of our collective desire to roleplay zomgbusinessmen. Every time you transfer money over to someone without receiving collateral, you're playing slots. And the house always wins.
-L
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:44:00 -
[2141]
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 doesn't this place responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the trustees
It depends very much on how much "responsibility" the shareholders defer to the trustees.
The trustees were clearly charged with two very specific tasks:
1. Vote against unauthorised unlock votes. 2. Liquidate in the event of my death.
They performed these tasks to specification.
There has been much discussion and much suggestion of the trustees being responsible for more than just these two tasks.
It can be said that they were responsible for monitoring the Super Sekrit Corp and it's assets and this is something that normal shareholders could not do, but the original specification called for only unsubbed trial account directors and therefore it would not have been possible for them to do this. Amarr Citizen 155 actually exeeded his charge by keeping his director alt subbed for the entire duration and checking in on the Super Sekrit Corp at intervals. While sharholders and onlookers may have wished the trustees to do more in this area it cannot be said that they were officially responsible for these tasks.
It can be said that they were responsible for maintaining security by providing oversight on all activities occuring with the Super Sekrit Corp shares. This was also something that normal shareholders could not do. Once again, this was not in the IPO plan. This is an area where we can expect ongoing disagreement. Trustees have an argument for this not being their problem and shareholders have an argument for their expectation of superlative performance from their trustees.
It can be said that they were responsible for general oversight on the operation of Titans For You and therefore they have responsibility for the share creation proceedure that lead to my scam. This can only be true to the extent that all investors were responsible for such oversight and the protection of their investment. As shareholders you cannot really dump your responsibility on to the trustees, or on the MD elite, or on auditors, or on anyone other than yourself for the safety of your isk. While it may please you to blame the trustees for allowing this to occur you have to accept that you had the same oppertunity as they did to inquire as to the process for adding new trustees and to ensure it was secure. I even started a discussion on this subject so that you could all say your bit.
Obviously these gaps in the procedures and these grey areas where responsibilities were not clearly defined were exactly what I counted upon for the success of my scam.
Looking back at the initial IPO statement, I do not see where the trustees were charged with those two specific tasks. In fact, the only mention of the trustees' role was in these two sections:
Originally by: Titans 4U
Chapter 3 - Corporate Governance
I am CEO and sole member of Titans For You.
I will be CEO of an additional corp whose identity will remain a secret for security reasons. This additional corp will be monitored by four trustees:
Shar Tegral (AKA Hawkblade) Proton Power (AKA Evalf) Amarr Citizen 155 Kazzac Elentria
These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp and will have un-subbed trial account alts with director roles within the corp.
There will be no other directors or members with significant roles.
Originally by: Titans 4U
Chapter 6 - Disclosure of Risks [...]
There is a risk that I, or the trustees, will scam in one way or another. Obviously the trustees and the methods we are using have been devised to reduce the risks and impact of such an occurance but there is nothing we can do to completely eliminate this risk.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:47:00 -
[2142]
Originally by: Lecherito Can we now finally accept as a community that there is no such thing as "MD elite," no such thing as "he's proven himself in the past so he must be legit" ? Everyone, *everyone* is a potential scammer. There is no such thing as a "secure" investment. As long as people continue scrambling to fill **** offers like Proton Power's "loan request," these scams will happen again and again and again. To those of you who lost your life savings, tough. Consider it a lesson learned. The secondary market is imaginative, an emo personification of our collective desire to roleplay zomgbusinessmen. Every time you transfer money over to someone without receiving collateral, you're playing slots. And the house always wins.
-L
We should, but we won't.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:47:00 -
[2143]
Perhaps these two specific tasks were defined in the earlier discussion thread. Can anyone point this out?
The trustees are clearly supposed to "monitor" the super-secret corp and "reduce the risk and impact of" a scam, which in my opinion include preventing the insecure creation of super-secret corp shares that allowed Bad Bobby to scam. I agree with RAW23; I think the implied duties of the trustees are more than just voting down unlocks and liquidation.
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: RAW23 So who did give you their shares, if you don't mind sharing?
Ok. Time to let that bit of drama die, I suppose.
I didn't take anyone's shares from them, rather I did not give them their shares in the first place. The shares in question were created for Cosmoray and were never sent to him. They just sat in the corp wallet. He actually mentioned this at least once in this thread a long time back.
None of the other directors noticed this or said anything about it. They did have director access after all, even if on disposable alts, they had to have noticed it before the 14 day trial expired.
That makes them just as guilty
Cosmo was not one of the original directors. He was added later.
AC155 and any other director that kept his account subbed could have spotted it if they had looked at the shareholder section of the corp wallet and realised what they saw. If they had then I would have been all "whoops I forgot", but since nobody did except Cosmoray and nobody paid any attention to him I just happily sat on those shares knowing that all I needed was another 401 for an overall majority.
Cosmo could have taken the shares from the corp wallet himself since he had a director alt.
I assume that this is the post you are referring to:
Originally by: cosmoray Director Update
I kind of forgot about T4U and the fact I had a director in the corp. I have deleted all my admin characters and closed all but 1 of my accounts (my main one).
I no longer have a director in T4U or have any BOD shares in T4U. I can no longer perform any lockdown/unlock votes for T4U. My understanding is that there are currently 5 directors (one was Kazzac who barely plays). I would advise finding another director to replace me.
Due to my limited time in game I won't be able to put a character in T4U or have any dealings with T4U if issues arise. I have also removed some roles in other corporations and declined a few directorships/BOD requests recently.
This post isn't meant to stir up trouble or worry investors it's just that I forgot all about it.
Cosmoray stated that he didn't have the shares, but I had assumed that the shares were now on an unsubbed account that he controlled, not that Bad Bobby had them. (Can anyone link to cosmoray's previous posts on becoming a trustee? I'm pretty sure he never mentioned not taking the shares, but I don't remember exactly what happened.)
Originally by: RAW23 So Cosmo served his entire tenure as a "trustee" without ever picking up the tools he needed to do that job? That is pretty staggering.
I agree. Plus, unlike everything I've said before, it is completely clear from the initial IPO document that "These trustees will hold shares in the secret corp". I suppose there is still some ambiguity since cosmoray was not one of the initial trustees, but he could hardly be considered a trustee without those shares.
I think that the responsibility of the trustees also includes monitoring the installation of cosmoray of a new trustee. If we had known about the failure to properly add cosmoray as a trustee, it would have made it more difficult for Bad Bobby to acquire a majority of super-secret corp shares and also made us pay more attention to security this time around. Why didn't cosmoray take his shares when he was installed, and why didn't any of the trustees get confirmation either from him or through the corp wallet as BB mentioned?
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:01:00 -
[2144]
Many people have been confused about how the trustees would prevent theft if Bad Bobby had tried to scam without having enough shares (including the trustees themselves). Estel has explained that the trustees can indeed prevent a stalemate:
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 BB was CEO of the Titan corp. This meant that regardless of shares he could have booted everyone and not been stopped. Sure the trustees could vote down any unlock votes but he would never have to give the bop's up and there's nothing that could have made him due to game mechanics, something I didn't consider and I guess no one else considered.
Any corp member with 5% or more of the shares cannot be kicked from the corp without a vote. I've known this for quite some time and thought this was widely known (at least among those with an interest in share mechanics like MD regulars). I assumed that any people with alts in holding corps (not just this one, but everywhere) would keep at least 5% of the total shares on the shares on the alt (even if it's inactive, you'd still have 15% to vote with). Apparently this is not the case. Anyone who is currently securing any other offerings should take measures immediately.
Originally by: Estel Arador There was a short exchange above discussing the deadlock which would result from the alts being kicked if the manager doesn't have more than half of the shares. Such a deadlock does not need to occur, ever.
I think it is important that we learn how corp security works if we're going to be using lockdown mechanics to secure assets. Clearly, the general shareholders as well as some of the trustees did not understand how the directors would successfully end the IPO if Bad Bobby had attempted to scam and the trustees had held enough shares to prevent unlocks. Can anyone provide or point out detailed information on these mechanics?
Also, after all of this discussion of blame on the trustees, I want to echo this:
Originally by: Ray McCormack
All I care is that they learn from this and don't make the same mistake again. They're all basically good people and shouldn't bear the brunt of people's misdirected anger for their own stupidity.
We should still remember that the blame rests primarily on Bad Bobby. It's interesting that nearly everyone talking about the trustees has been angry at them, while many people have posted in admiration and congratulation towards Bad Bobby.
Also, I confirm that we have received a total of 14.42% interest, without principal repayment, from 2009.08.15 to now. 5.99% was prior to the first expansion, 1.90% was between the first and second, and 6.53% was between the second and the third.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:26:00 -
[2145]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Perhaps these two specific tasks were defined in the earlier discussion thread. Can anyone point this out?
Looking back at the discussion thread, this can be found on p. 6-7. However, I would think that the official IPO document supercedes this and the fact that the trustees did actually exceed the duties outlined there, precisely by creating new holding corp shares, meant that the trustees accepted that this discussion phase outline of duties had, in fact, been superceded.
In general I would agree with both Kapila and Ray that the important thing is to learn lessons from this and not hunt people down with pitchforks (except BB, of course). Despite this, I still find the "its all the investors fault" line taken by the trustees so far to be distasteful.
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Berikath
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:31:00 -
[2146]
Originally by: RAW23 PP's point 3 suggests that he now thinks the system was fatally flawed, i.e. that there was no way of stopping Bobby from taking the prints if he wanted to. In which case, there was no point in having share holding trustees at all. Their only value would have been to create an illusion of security.
As to the trustees fulfilling their minimal duties, at least one of them did not.
Again- 1. The IPO holder having the opportunity is not necessarily a fatal flaw. There are situations (i.e., the holder is ACTUALLY trustworthy) where the IPO would be successful. In my opinion, this means it was not a fatal flaw, but a POTENTIALLY fatal flaw. Since no plan is flawless and almost any flaw can POTENTIALLY be fatal, it is unreasonable to expect the trustees to turn down trusteeship because of a potentially fatal flaw. 2. The flaw was not really there in the initial IPO, when (at least most of) the trustees signed on. It was, at the very least, greatly exacerbated by a voted-on change after the fact. 3. As to trustees creating an illusion of security.... no. The trustees INCREASED the level of security- it was MORE secure than if there were no trustees. If having trustees (no matter who they are) gave the impression of making something COMPLETELY secure, regardless of future developments.... well, then the problem isn't with the trustees or anything they possibly did or did not do. Nothing is completely secure, live with it. 4. What minimal duties did the trustees not do? Cosmoray was not awarded his shares. He posted notification of this publicly in the appropriate place (this thread). Could he have done more, and made a larger stink about it? Yes. Did his minimal duties require it? No.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.04 18:50:00 -
[2147]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Perhaps these two specific tasks were defined in the earlier discussion thread. Can anyone point this out?
Looking back at the discussion thread, this can be found on p. 6-7. However, I would think that the official IPO document supercedes this and the fact that the trustees did actually exceed the duties outlined there, precisely by creating new holding corp shares, meant that the trustees accepted that this discussion phase outline of duties had, in fact, been superceded.
For reference, the post is #182 in the discussion thread. I agree with RAW. Creating new super-secret corp shares or installing new trustees was never mentioned at the beginning of the IPO, as far as I know, a glaring omission in retrospect as trustees would inevitably have to be replaced when they left the game or whatever. By doing this, it is clear that their responsibilities extended beyond both the discussion's and IPO document's ambiguous and incomplete outline.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:10:00 -
[2148]
Originally by: Berikath
Originally by: RAW23 PP's point 3 suggests that he now thinks the system was fatally flawed, i.e. that there was no way of stopping Bobby from taking the prints if he wanted to. In which case, there was no point in having share holding trustees at all. Their only value would have been to create an illusion of security.
As to the trustees fulfilling their minimal duties, at least one of them did not.
Again- 1.The IPO holder having the opportunity is not necessarily a fatal flaw. There are situations (i.e., the holder is ACTUALLY trustworthy) where the IPO would be successful. In my opinion, this means it was not a fatal flaw, but a POTENTIALLY fatal flaw. Since no plan is flawless and almost any flaw can POTENTIALLY be fatal, it is unreasonable to expect the trustees to turn down trusteeship because of a potentially fatal flaw. 2. The flaw was not really there in the initial IPO, when (at least most of) the trustees signed on. It was, at the very least, greatly exacerbated by a voted-on change after the fact. 3. As to trustees creating an illusion of security.... no. The trustees INCREASED the level of security- it was MORE secure than if there were no trustees. If having trustees (no matter who they are) gave the impression of making something COMPLETELY secure, regardless of future developments.... well, then the problem isn't with the trustees or anything they possibly did or did not do. Nothing is completely secure, live with it. 4. What minimal duties did the trustees not do? Cosmoray was not awarded his shares. He posted notification of this publicly in the appropriate place (this thread). Could he have done more, and made a larger stink about it? Yes. Did his minimal duties require it? No.
PP claimed that there was never, from the start, any way of stopping BB getting his hands on the prints if he wanted them. If this is the case, then there was absolutely no point in having trustees other than for the hit by a bus scenario. IMO, if this is correct, then this is a fatal flaw in the trustee role. You say the trustees made things more secure than if there were no trustees û this is not the case if the trustees cannot actually prevent a theft. The degree of security, on those grounds, is exactly the same as if there were no trustees. If they could not, as PP claims, have actually stopped a theft in any case then they served no role other than to make investors think the offering was more secure than it actually was.
As to Cosmo, he did not announce that he had no shares until he resigned. He spent his whole active tenure without shares. Given that his minimal duties included voting down unlock votes he was completely unable to carry these duties out throughout his trusteeship. In addition, as Bobby has said, Cosmo could have collected the shares from the corp wallet himself; he did not need to be æawardedÆ them. That he never took up his shares, or even pursued them, leaving them unsecured and available to be taken by Bobby (or, presumably, any other trustee) seems to be a clear failure in his duty as a trustee. That he did not insist on the safe disposal of his shares also seems to be neglectful. The minimal duties did not, admittedly, outline what should be done if a trustee retired but the nature of the role makes it clear that it wouldnÆt have been acceptable to just give the shares away to a friend, for instance.
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Grozen
Caldari Titan Core
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:21:00 -
[2149]
Think you cashed bit too early knowledge is power |
Cathy McSales
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:23:00 -
[2150]
WTB researched titan BPOs
(Just in case anyone here have some for sale) |
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:30:00 -
[2151]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Estel has explained that the trustees can indeed prevent a stalemate:
In my previous post on this matter I was cautious and mentioned only any corp member with 5% or more of the shares 'cannot be kicked' from the corp. I can now confirm that any corp member with 5% or more of the shares can run for CEO, regardless of current roles. This can be done by right-clicking the shares in the wallet, selecting 'votes', and clicking the 'run for CEO' button. You will get an error if you try this with less than 5% of the shares.
(To be clear, "5% or more" is the exact description of the amount of shares needed, it is not "more than 5%" - exactly 5% will do.)
Free jumpclone service|1092 stations! |
RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2010.09.04 19:56:00 -
[2152]
Originally by: Lecherito Can we now finally accept as a community that there is no such thing as "MD elite," no such thing
There are no MD elite. This is serious business. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:43:00 -
[2153]
Originally by: Estel Arador I can now confirm that any corp member with 5% or more of the shares can run for CEO, regardless of current roles.
So if the alts had left 5% of the total shares on their them and the rest the their main, this would have never happened.
Example: 1000 shares for 5 BoD members
200 shares per member
200 shares for T4U CEO 50 for each of the 4 BoD alts 150 for each of the 4 BoD mains, so they can be on inactive trial accts.
That leaves 600 shares on the mains of 4 BoD alts, which is enough to vote no to unlocking, while still keeping the alts from being kicked form the corp while they start a CEO takeover to boot the rogue CEO and then liquidate.
Damn. It could have worked perfectly if this had been known beforehand. Apparently the controls are there from CCP, but it just wasn't followed.
Now the next offering of this type will know how to secure it.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.04 20:54:00 -
[2154]
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Estel Arador I can now confirm that any corp member with 5% or more of the shares can run for CEO, regardless of current roles.
So if the alts had left 5% of the total shares on their them and the rest the their main, this would have never happened.
Example: 1000 shares for 5 BoD members
200 shares per member
200 shares for T4U CEO 50 for each of the 4 BoD alts 150 for each of the 4 BoD mains, so they can be on inactive trial accts.
That leaves 600 shares on the mains of 4 BoD alts, which is enough to vote no to unlocking, while still keeping the alts from being kicked form the corp while they start a CEO takeover to boot the rogue CEO and then liquidate.
Damn. It could have worked perfectly if this had been known beforehand. Apparently the controls are there from CCP, but it just wasn't followed.
Now the next offering of this type will know how to secure it.
I don't think this would have helped, would it? Bobby couldn't kick them but he could still have passed the unlock with the extra 600 shares plus his 200 plus Cosmo's 200. Any vote to kick the ceo would have completed after the unlock completed (I assume the timeframes for each are the same?)
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:01:00 -
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Edited by: Estel Arador on 04/09/2010 21:05:10
Originally by: Breaker77 Damn. It could have worked perfectly if this had been known beforehand. Apparently the controls are there from CCP, but it just wasn't followed.
I knew about it from second-hand information, I only never bothered to definitely confirm it myself. I assumed it was widely known, certainly among people who regularly secure businesses. Perhaps I should've been more vocal about it. This mechanic is the reason why I only made 4.99% of EACS shares available to the public last year.
Originally by: Breaker77 Now the next offering of this type will know how to secure it.
Indeed, but it's been quite an expensive lesson to learn. However, as RAW23 has pointed out this doesn't matter if the CEO has a majority of the shares.
Originally by: RAW23 I don't think this would have helped, would it? Bobby couldn't kick them but he could still have passed the unlock with the extra 600 shares plus his 200 plus Cosmo's 200. Any vote to kick the ceo would have completed after the unlock completed (I assume the timeframes for each are the same?)
Correct. Bobby managing to get a controlling amount of shares is what went wrong here. The CEO replacement will only work if the trustees keep a majority of the shares. The vote for CEO replacement takes one day at minimum.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yendor Widdershins But do not blame the investors for the creation and seizure of 600 shares in a corporation they do not have voting rights for and that they trusted the trustees to monitor.
I don't. The trustee system worked within the limits of the game mechanics. There are simply some aspects that can not be secured no matter how much thought is applied. In case someone asks for an example: Lock/Unlock votes are by default 24 hr unalterable. I only just, several days ago, got back from my sister's wedding in North Carolina. Additionally I was informed of this growing fiasco last night by cellphone (AC via Athre) at a dinner gathering with friends and family to celebrate my birthday (today - you can check facebook if you doubt it). Finding a 24 hour gap where a nefarious CEO can game the system is not all that difficult. This goes with share increase votes as well. Just takes a 24 hour window, grab shares, push through other votes. Which is pretty much what apparently happened. I'm not even going to start on the tabulation of voting results - rather broken one sided system as the game mechanics exist. These limits to the system have been expounded upon repeatedly by many. The trustee system was only in place simply for a two fold purpose the second of which was only marginally laughable. (First being new ceo vote, second being lock/unlock votes.) Nothing could have uncovered the end game intention nor was there anything to be a red flag. This is, of course, one of the most repeated risk of investiture in any person or project. Until the guy in charge does a runner there's no way of fully knowing if he will do a runner. As for trustee responsibilities, by time "we" knew, you were all rather promptly informed (by Proton btw) - for all the good it could do. The fault and shame of this falls solely upon Bad Bobby's shoulders as, from his words, he intended ill all along. I still don't understand the satisfaction from doing this kind of thing though. He's simply just as much a low life scumbag as most of you reading this except for score. So he's more scummy, what an achievement(?!?). PS: I don't ever remember promoting this ipo/project based upon my position as trustee. In fact, I made sure that my position was as downplayed as possible. I had a task, I fulfilled that task. This IPO was the community investing in Bab Bobby, not in me in any facet. All this complaining about the trustee's is simply looking to lynch anyone you think might care since it is obvious Bad Bobby does not. I don't fault this knee jerk reaction, it is reasonable, but I do fault those who are grinding this crank for the schadenfreude.
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Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.09.04 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral All this complaining about the trustee's is simply looking to lynch anyone you think might care since it is obvious Bad Bobby does not. I don't fault this knee jerk reaction, it is reasonable, but I do fault those who are grinding this crank for the schadenfreude.
Oh behave.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.04 22:48:00 -
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Just logged in, quite the drama, and possibly biggest scam ever? Not sure.
I don't have the information about the recent votes, but I can tell you about the process of me becoming a trustee and how I left.
note: don't exactly remember dates (or specific posts), and I haven't got time to trawl through this post.
1. There was initially 5 BOD members. Bad Bobby + PP, Kazzac, AC155 and Shar. 2. 1000 shares were created giving 200 to each director. 3. Some time ago it was apparent that Kazzac was not around much, so it was decided another trustee would be added - Cosmo 4. I added an ALT into the corp and was given director roles. 5. After a few days/weeks I did make a post about not yet receiving shares, and Ray even commented that BB should hurry up and send them. 6. After this point my director become unsubbed, so I would not have been able to grab any shares or anything from the corp wallet 7. Due to RL (expectation of little Cosmo's), I deleted or sold all characters on 4 out of 5 accounts leaving my main one. 8. I totally forgot that 1 was a director in the T4U 9. At this point I made my post about this, and made the suggestion of adding more trustees.
At various points in the system there is always the ability of a major SCAM. The BOD/trustees can only reduce the risk. It still comes back to the trust issue. At the launch and at the expansion points the ISK has to be sent to Bad Bobby. Bad Bobby could at any point walk off with expansion finances as this is unsecure. The investors are trusting BB NOT to do that.
The trustee shares are held on the main characters so they can actually see votes occuring. This still means that the investors and the trustees are trusting BB not to kick the directors from the corp. The only way around this would be fully subbed director alts who would be required to log in every day to see if votes are taking place. This is expensive and un realistic.
Finally if BB is persistant he can force a vote through. If he knew Kazzac was barely logging in, that people were away he would have a good chance of passing unlock.
Trustees can only improve security to a degree that satisfies investors, but after that point you are still trusting Bad Bobby with your money.
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F90OEX
F9X WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:04:00 -
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Anyone who has had 100bil liquid ISK after that it's just fuzzy numbers.
But with that said I feel bad for the people who lost ISK, I know a few of them since they offered to sell there shares to me since they needed there ISK back.
Curious other then BB and his alts, who stands to lose the most and how much where they in for ?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:11:00 -
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You should walk a mile in the trustee's shoes before you blame them really.
Why would someone walk an inch in shoes of something that cannot but fail? Helloooo, this IS EvE, where mechanics are stacked and you cannot do anything to prevent these events.
If someone chooses to walk in those shoes, it's a long term fault, not a merit.
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The system was stacked against them from the outset anyway.
Yep. Exactly what I said above.
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Perhaps I missed the list elsewhere, but what are all of Bad Bobby's other mains and alts?
It's irrelevant. BB outplayed most in MD once and will easily do it again later.
Also, with 850B, he can buy an alliance worth of alts and none will ever know.
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Can we now finally accept as a community that there is no such thing as "MD elite," no such thing as "he's proven himself in the past so he must be legit" ? Everyone, *everyone* is a potential scammer. There is no such thing as a "secure" investment
Secure investments are not essential, just "secure enough in average" to keep a positive balance with money management as shown in Linkage
I was not posting this thread in this precise period of time because of a random chance.
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The fault and shame of this falls solely upon Bad Bobby's shoulders as, from his words, he intended ill all along. I still don't understand the satisfaction from doing this kind of thing though
Shar, I realized that in the end it's us who are an abysmally small, "specials" minority.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: RAW23 I don't think this would have helped, would it? Bobby couldn't kick them but he could still have passed the unlock with the extra 600 shares plus his 200 plus Cosmo's 200. Any vote to kick the ceo would have completed after the unlock completed (I assume the timeframes for each are the same?)
Correct. Bobby managing to get a controlling amount of shares is what went wrong here. The CEO replacement will only work if the trustees keep a majority of the shares. The vote for CEO replacement takes one day at minimum.
No, but if the expansion shares had happened in stages of 200 votes each, there would have been no way for the CEO to gain a majority.
Vote 200 shares, distribute them, repeat.
Somehow I doubt it's still 100%, but it would have slowed, if not stopped this from happening.
As I already mentioned, lets figure out how to correct this for the next time
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray The trustee shares are held on the main characters so they can actually see votes occuring. This still means that the investors and the trustees are trusting BB not to kick the directors from the corp. The only way around this would be fully subbed director alts who would be required to log in every day to see if votes are taking place. This is expensive and un realistic.
That's a false dichotomy, the shares can spread among multiple characters. Seeing votes occurring only requires 1 share, preventing getting kicked takes 50 (assuming 1000 total shares); with 5 BoD members, that leaves 149 shares to spread as you like among as many of your characters as you like.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:47:00 -
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So, when am I getting my next dividend then?
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.04 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: cosmoray The trustee shares are held on the main characters so they can actually see votes occuring. This still means that the investors and the trustees are trusting BB not to kick the directors from the corp. The only way around this would be fully subbed director alts who would be required to log in every day to see if votes are taking place. This is expensive and un realistic.
That's a false dichotomy, the shares can spread among multiple characters. Seeing votes occurring only requires 1 share, preventing getting kicked takes 50 (assuming 1000 total shares); with 5 BoD members, that leaves 149 shares to spread as you like among as many of your characters as you like.
That would assume that if a trustee saw a vote they would have to log on the director ALT. The director ALTs are all unsubbed accounts. They are only to be activated upon the *hit by bus scenario*. Not a practicle way to handle votes.
All the mechanics that have been set up in MD to try and control losses only work to a certain degree. There is no such thing as 100% secure in MD or Eve in general. BB worked the mechanics so that he could break the investors requirements.
The trustees did what was asked of by investors, BB worked around it.
Bad Bobby is the thief, end of.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.05 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Bad Bobby is the thief, end of.
I completely agree. Everything I posted so far has been to analyse the situation and see what can be done to prevent it in the future. One thing that could change is the share distribution.
Originally by: cosmoray That would assume that if a trustee saw a vote they would have to log on the director ALT.
Not necessary at all. A trustee with 200 shares could leave 50 on the unsubbed alt and 150 on his main which he can use to vote. If four trustees did that, there would be 600 active shares on the trustees, 200 with the CEO and 200 on inactive shares. Three people are needed to take over CEO position (as with a straight 5 times 200 distribution) and any two trustees can block a vote proposed by the CEO (assuming no one else votes).
If you'd like any one trustee to be able to block a vote by the CEO (as with the straight 5 times 200 distribution), give each of the trustees 210 shares (including 50 for the alt) and the CEO 160 shares. That makes 200 inactive shares, and 800 evenly distributed shares.
As you can see it is possible to make this work, without encountering any of the issues you've brought up. Of course Bad Bobby is a thief and the blame lies squarely with him, but that doesn't mean that you and I and everyone else can't examine the situation and see what, if anything, can be improved. If you see any real problems with the share distribution as I've described (other than an out of hand dismissal as 'unrealistic' and 'not practical') I'd love to discuss them.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.09.05 00:22:00 -
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Not really disagreeing with anything you have said.
It's just that when the IPO was set up and then expanded the investors were happy with the set up.
Could controls have been better? With hindsight yes Did anyone really push for these changes? No
T4U was an idea of the "most" secure investment, and an investment in Bad Bobby. The trust was destroyed and he scammed.
There is almost no way I see of stopping a determined scammer because it is not protected by EULA. MD has only been successful in killing the obvious attempts, and limiting the damage of others.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:17:00 -
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Confirming TMPI lost over 20B ISK in the T4U venture. (read: thats over 9000) Also confirming that TMPI lost a total of over 30B ISK in MD ventures this month.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ji Sama Confirming TMPI lost over 20B ISK in the T4U venture. (read: thats over 9000) Also confirming that TMPI lost a total of over 30B ISK in MD ventures this month.
Confirming that Ji is secretly crying inside
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Stargazer74
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby You should walk a mile in the trustee's shoes before you blame them really. I probably would have done a better job in their position, but then I would have probably maneuvered it so I could scam as a trustee instead. For most spectators and critics you would have been duped just the same. If not by this exact scenario then by one of my various backup plans.
These people are just playing a game. Roleplaying financial types with internet spaceships and forum fu. If things get missed easily in real life then you can expect the same here.
The system was stacked against them from the outset anyway.
Congratulations on the scam and all the money you made. I know takes a lot of social skills, organization and planning to pull this off, and I don't have the social skills to do it.
With that said, anyone smarter would know to either start their own bond, or don't invest in anything at all. Given that eve is a universe without any assurances, and anyone can be anyone's alt.
Even though it was a great achievement, you might have over-estimated yourself a bit by saying most spectators and critics would have been duped just the same :P
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Ji Sama Confirming TMPI lost over 20B ISK in the T4U venture. (read: thats over 9000) Also confirming that TMPI lost a total of over 30B ISK in MD ventures this month.
Confirming that Ji is secretly crying inside
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lucyna
Of course you can confirm that you are a Ji alt :)
We all are!
Wait, Ji scammed himself
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kapila Parthalan
Cosmoray stated that he didn't have the shares, but I had assumed that the shares were now on an unsubbed account that he controlled, not that Bad Bobby had them. (Can anyone link to cosmoray's previous posts on becoming a trustee? I'm pretty sure he never mentioned not taking the shares, but I don't remember exactly what happened.)
Sorry, I found his post (see pages 51-52) and it turns out I was wrong. I can't believe that I forgot about all of this.
Originally by: cosmoray Got back today (off again tomorrow).
I can confirm I have an ALT in the corp, which has a director role. I do not own shares in the ALT corp, and therefore can't vote on lockdown/unlock. I also don't own shares in Titans4U, so won't see any share expansion vote.
My only function is to help liquidate if something happens.
In this expansion BB will have access to the cash until he requests lockdown vote of the BPO. I can confirm that the other Titan BPO's are currently being copied and are locked down.
Originally by: cosmoray security/directors/trustees what it provides:
1. There are 5 trustees in the ALT corp (Proton Power, Kazzac, Shar Tegral, AC155 and Cosmoray) all with director roles. I joined primarily as Kazzac hasn't been around much. 2. Primary responsibility it to liquidate corp if anything happens to BB. 3. Shares are provided to trustees (I don't have any) to allow votes on lockdown/unlock of BPO's 4. The ALT directors forward those shares to the ALT players main 5. When there is a vote (lock/unlock) the players main can vote on it
Risks:
1. At anytime Bobby could try to unlock BPO's but would need more people to vote yes than no. If no main is online for 24 hr period he could get a lucky vote unlock.
2. Bobby could run with the cash he is receiving from expansion. That ISK is not secure until he has purchased BPO and requested lockdown vote.
3. Bobby or ANY director could run with the BPC's or any corp assets not locked down. Includes corp master wallet, POS, fuel, labs etc.. .
4. Any director could cancel a corp job, which would wipe a copy run, possibly costing investors 5-10B ISK.
There are risks, but this setup is the best protection that can be found using CURRENT game mechanics.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray Just logged in, quite the drama, and possibly biggest scam ever? Not sure.
I don't have the information about the recent votes, but I can tell you about the process of me becoming a trustee and how I left.
note: don't exactly remember dates (or specific posts), and I haven't got time to trawl through this post.
1. There was initially 5 BOD members. Bad Bobby + PP, Kazzac, AC155 and Shar. 2. 1000 shares were created giving 200 to each director. 3. Some time ago it was apparent that Kazzac was not around much, so it was decided another trustee would be added - Cosmo 4. I added an ALT into the corp and was given director roles. 5. After a few days/weeks I did make a post about not yet receiving shares, and Ray even commented that BB should hurry up and send them. 6. After this point my director become unsubbed, so I would not have been able to grab any shares or anything from the corp wallet 7. Due to RL (expectation of little Cosmo's), I deleted or sold all characters on 4 out of 5 accounts leaving my main one. 8. I totally forgot that 1 was a director in the T4U 9. At this point I made my post about this, and made the suggestion of adding more trustees.
I guess cosmoray is not to blame for the scam, knowing now that cosmoray posted about his lack of shares. Although forgetting about the director alt was a problem, it really didn't have much impact on security. I don't understand is why he was installed as a director without shares. The liquidation aspect covered by director alts was not a problem, as just one trustee is required to carry this out. The reason we wanted to add a trustee was to have shares to prevent theft. In fact, adding a director without shares may have hurt security slightly. Look at the recent discussion around adding 3 new trustees. They were supposed to receive shares but not have directorships because this would allow them to vote down unlocks without being able to steal the BPOs.
Ray (and others) did indeed ask for cosmoray to be given shares.
Originally by: Ray McCormack So only PP responded to the share vote (regardless if it was from T4U or the actual corp). AC155 and Shar were warned prior or during the vote and their reaction cannot be measured. cosmo doesn't have any shares and Kazzac is AWOL, hence cosmo's presence. Maybe you need to see to it that cosmo has shares, considering it is a part of his duties to react to any votes on them?
Why did the share creation vote go through and then everyone forget about ensuring that he receive the shares?
Originally by: cosmoray
At various points in the system there is always the ability of a major SCAM. The BOD/trustees can only reduce the risk. It still comes back to the trust issue. At the launch and at the expansion points the ISK has to be sent to Bad Bobby. Bad Bobby could at any point walk off with expansion finances as this is unsecure. The investors are trusting BB NOT to do that.
The trustee shares are held on the main characters so they can actually see votes occuring. This still means that the investors and the trustees are trusting BB not to kick the directors from the corp. The only way around this would be fully subbed director alts who would be required to log in every day to see if votes are taking place. This is expensive and un realistic.
Finally if BB is persistant he can force a vote through. If he knew Kazzac was barely logging in, that people were away he would have a good chance of passing unlock.
Trustees can only improve security to a degree that satisfies investors, but after that point you are still trusting Bad Bobby with your money.
Originally by: cosmoray
There is almost no way I see of stopping a determined scammer because it is not protected by EULA. MD has only been successful in killing the obvious attempts, and limiting the damage of others.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:07:00 -
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I don't agree that stopping a scammer is near-impossible. The trustees would have prevented this scam if the installation of new trustees (including you and the newest 3) had been done properly. It is true that Bad Bobby could have scammed the expansion money, but that was well understood and only worth a relatively small amount. Limiting the potential damage of a scam often can prevent the scam from happening in the first place. I trusted him with 100b, but not with 500b, since he had handled one unsecured BPO at a time without scamming. He could not have forced a vote simply by being persistent, because the trustees could have initiated a CEO takeover to get rid of him.
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: cosmoray That would assume that if a trustee saw a vote they would have to log on the director ALT.
Not necessary at all. A trustee with 200 shares could leave 50 on the unsubbed alt and 150 on his main which he can use to vote. If four trustees did that, there would be 600 active shares on the trustees, 200 with the CEO and 200 on inactive shares. Three people are needed to take over CEO position (as with a straight 5 times 200 distribution) and any two trustees can block a vote proposed by the CEO (assuming no one else votes).
If you'd like any one trustee to be able to block a vote by the CEO (as with the straight 5 times 200 distribution), give each of the trustees 210 shares (including 50 for the alt) and the CEO 160 shares. That makes 200 inactive shares, and 800 evenly distributed shares.
As you can see it is possible to make this work, without encountering any of the issues you've brought up. Of course Bad Bobby is a thief and the blame lies squarely with him, but that doesn't mean that you and I and everyone else can't examine the situation and see what, if anything, can be improved. If you see any real problems with the share distribution as I've described (other than an out of hand dismissal as 'unrealistic' and 'not practical') I'd love to discuss them.
I think that this is a completely reasonable solution. If we had understood these mechanics, that would have improved the security. However, you can't just call the shares inactive because directors could sub their alts and combine those shares with others, potentially making it easier to pull off a malicious vote. This isn't a problem though, becaused the director alts with 5% shares can be left unsubbed under normal circumstances, only needed when someone starts an unauthorized vote.
Originally by: cosmoray Not really disagreeing with anything you have said.
It's just that when the IPO was set up and then expanded the investors were happy with the set up.
Could controls have been better? With hindsight yes Did anyone really push for these changes? No
Actually, even before the scam, some people did ask for security improvements. While looking back at the expansion discussion where you mentioned not receiving your shares, I found these interesting comments about the trustees' duties (page 51):
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 02:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Titans 4U I can use a larger font if that would help?
Bobby, just in case it isn't clear I'll explain my motives further.
You advertise that you have a group of respected Trustees securing this IPO. You don't outline their duties fully in the OP of this thread, your only disclosure of what you expect their responsibilities to be is in a post a I linked previously. However, even you agree that is not realistic, yet you have done nothing to further outline their exact responsibilities. A blanket post regarding trust is not sufficient.
It's crazy how we all sit here complaining about past failures and ****ting on those who failed in their duties yet still set ourselves up once more for catastrophe.
I'm just asking you to be more thorough in your explanation of the effectiveness and requirements of your Trustees.
Of course, Bad Bobby just dodged the question.
Originally by: Bad Bobby It's just a game.
Titans For You is just a "business" I am running inside a game. I'm not going to turn it into a job.
I'm not going to write a 100 page operation manual with disaster recovery and liquidation plans. I am simply going to rely on the basic competence of the trustees to liquidate the operation should I disappear for whatever reason.
There really isn't much that anyone can do to prevent me from scamming for hundreds of billions. Each investor has to decide for themselves if they trust me with their isk. That's the way it has always been with every IPO and Bond I've run. There has never been an audit, there has never been collateral, there is just me and the enjoyment I derive from making isk and whoring forums.
If you do not trust me with your isk, do not invest.
As Bad Bobby said, these ambiguities were exploited to accomplish his scam. Unfortunately, as you said, no one pushed hard enough, and these and other similar protests were simply ignored and mostly forgotten. Perhaps we should be more careful about this kind of thing in the future.
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Vormico
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Posted - 2010.09.05 03:56:00 -
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Gratz on beating the game BB, I have just one Question for you...
Do the Credits scroll up the screen at the end?
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Martosh Toma
Gallente Fraction Investment
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Posted - 2010.09.05 06:42:00 -
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Here is what I think ad why.
The security of the super sekrit corp was in the hands of the trustees. This was what they pledged their name to at the start of the ipo. Of course BB could have found other ways to circumvent the security but he did not even have to because you did not do the job you signed up for.
please just admit this, and we can move on to the more important thing of trying to design a structure that would be secure. You did not steal BB did, and it was not your task to warn us about the risks on expansions nor was it your task to audit the super sekrit corp (although something like that last bit would have a welcome addition to the security of this investment I think, perhaps to be included in the improved setup)
Personally I think it odd people in eve can vouch or secure for others and then deny any responsibility when something happens. For me this renders the addition of trustees useless, and I will have to amend my personal business strategy on this. Maybe next time trustees (or people vouching for someone) should spell out for how much isk they are liable if the venture is scammed (and under what conditions).
People have made suggestions here which should have prevented this from occurring, did anyone here notice that the numbers discussed as an example for this corp would NOT have worked because an extra 200 shares were created. At least 60 shares (5% of 1200) would have had to be held in the director alt to prevent ejection and allow to run for ceo after the creation of the extra 200 shares.
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.09.05 06:42:00 -
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Quote: these ambiguities
What ambiguities are those? Looks pretty cut and dried to me.
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Estel Arador
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:07:00 -
[2179]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan I think that this is a completely reasonable solution. If we had understood these mechanics, that would have improved the security. However, you can't just call the shares inactive because directors could sub their alts and combine those shares with others, potentially making it easier to pull off a malicious vote.
The great thing is, if you work through all possible permutations of subbed/unsubbed alts, you will always need 3 BoD members for a controlling amount of shares. 2 times 210 shares are still beaten by 3 times 160.
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AtheistOfFail
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:23:00 -
[2180]
T4U may be a total scam but the good news is, someone sent me 450 shares of it.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:43:00 -
[2181]
Originally by: Vormico Gratz on beating the game BB, I have just one Question for you...
Do the Credits scroll up the screen at the end?
At the end, ISKredits scroll down in the wallet. - Auditing & consulting
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Yendor Widdershins
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2010.09.05 07:52:00 -
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Edited by: Yendor Widdershins on 05/09/2010 07:52:49
Originally by: Martosh Toma
please just admit this, and we can move on to the more important thing of trying to design a structure that would be secure.
Really, I think this is this is why (other than shock and natural finger pointing) that people are mad at the trustees. Instead of posting "Ooops, we were tricked by Bad Bobby. We didn't think through that the current vote would allow him to control >50% of the shares. We're sorry." Then sure there would be some flameage, but I think people by and large would accept that people are human and scammers are tricky. But instead the trustees who posted had an attitude that paraphrases as "I knew adding more trustees was a bad idea but you investors insisted and now look what you did"
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Trebor Whettam
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Posted - 2010.09.05 09:27:00 -
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(Thoughts of a intrigued non-investor)
One of the things I find most interesting is the way that Bobby cleanly refinanced Ugly Toys just a few weeks ago. If he had waited to do this until after he was ready to cut and run with T4U, he could have doubled-up on the Ugly Toys funds.
I can see a couple possible reasons why he did not. One, he could have been using the successful restructuring as one last trust building act to aid the T4U expansion (possible, since the Ugly Toys bit was "only" 39B). Two, maybe he wasn't thinking about running quite yet at that point. Three, he could have wished to give an out to the small-time investors in that fund. Number three seems unlikely, except that he explicitly requested that only a single investor fund the restructuring.
More than anything, however, I'm struck by the level of honesty displayed throughout this scam. T4U wasn't a shell like so many scamming IPOs. It was legitimate and very professionally run, and it ran as such for a very long time. It's also amusing to recall that he alluded to the reselling of shares at a premium being like a Ponzi scheme. It's very clear to me that he intentionally presented things honestly as possible short of screaming "I'm scamming you all". It was quite brilliant, honestly. What scammer would be stupid enough to openly admit to deep pirating connections and an ambivalent attitude towards scammers?
What saddens me about this event is how eagerly the investors parted with their isk. I and several others pointed out some very good reasons why this latest expansion should not have been done as it was, and there appeared to be significant resistance among some share holders towards critically analyzing anything that Bobby wanted to do. Granted, we were in no way predicting a scam. Nor would addressing our concerns of fairness in any way prevented a scam, but I think it goes to show how deeply some people wanted to trust everything Bobby did.
Finally, I want to congratulate Bobby on one thing. Of all the MD scammers, none escaped with the level of in game integrity that you will retain. Among the people you truly care about, your esteem has only grown. And, while you're certainly a thief, you are not a fraud (IMO). You have remained true to yourself, and you never hid who that was. For the record, I already considered you a winner of Eve, and now you are again.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 12:54:00 -
[2184]
Originally by: Janya Rykayn
Quote: these ambiguities
What ambiguities are those? Looks pretty cut and dried to me.
How is that? I see plenty of ambiguities. The trustees were given a limited set of responsibilities in the pre-launch discussion thread that differed from the IPO document. There is ambiguity about what "monitoring" entails and about the trustees' responsibilities in terms of preventing a scam. Bad Bobby pointed out quite a few ambiguities himself.
You can't assume that the trustees responsibilities were only to vote down unlocks and liquidate if necessary. What if a trustee ran for CEO? What if the directors' roles were removed, preventing them from liquidating? What if Bad Bobby attempted to create shares and take them to give himself a majority? None of these situations representing obvious security threats required trustee action based on those 2 responsibilities. In addition, there was no mechanism in place for adding or replacing trustees. There was no discussion about what should happen after someone attempted theft, other than voting against the unlock.
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Janya Rykayn
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Posted - 2010.09.05 13:23:00 -
[2185]
Quote: How is that? I see plenty of ambiguities.
What I meant is that he was remarkably up front about the fact that he was engaged in a giant deception. It was obvious to me from the very beginning of Bad Bobby that he was faking the funk, and I watched with increasingly puzzled amusement as others continued to be taken in even though Bobby talked about scamming continuously.
Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing.
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.05 18:16:00 -
[2186]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan I guess cosmoray is not to blame for the scam, knowing now that cosmoray posted about his lack of shares. Although forgetting about the director alt was a problem, it really didn't have much impact on security. I don't understand is why he was installed as a director without shares. The liquidation aspect covered by director alts was not a problem, as just one trustee is required to carry this out. The reason we wanted to add a trustee was to have shares to prevent theft. In fact, adding a director without shares may have hurt security slightly. Look at the recent discussion around adding 3 new trustees. They were supposed to receive shares but not have directorships because this would allow them to vote down unlocks without being able to steal the BPOs.
I had another idea about the directors. Wouldn't it be more secure for the trustees to have alts in the corp with at least 5% of the shares, but no director roles? This prevents them from stealing stuff that isn't locked down (BPCs in particular) and from attempting to unlock BPOs. In order to steal stuff, they would first have to take over as CEO, which means there is a longer period for the others to notice and stop it. In the event that the CEO is "hit by a bus" and liquidation is necessary, a trustee can replace the CEO and handle things from there. I don't see any negative security implications, but my understanding of corp mechanics is admittedly poor.
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Ben Dovor
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Posted - 2010.09.07 21:56:00 -
[2187]
Tell you what I think, There is no way a person would gain the trust he did from the MD lot as BB did without it all being a scam.
To explain my thoughts a little better...
Seems to me that the MD top blokes, and ladies helped him get to where everyone trusted him simply because, he is in fact one of the most trusted MD's alts. I cannot help but think tey are laughing their breasts off at this, who else could posible have made a char like this as trusted as he was. The toons name, the corp he was in, its laughable.
several MD big hats maybe had a word in all this.
Nuff said.
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Companion Qube
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Posted - 2010.09.08 05:25:00 -
[2188]
Let's just start with "I'm not pointing fingers" and go from there - allowing Bobby to hold all of the newly created trustee shares was a pretty big ****-up. That said, he did a damned good job of manipulating the situation and making the opportunity.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries manufacturing disaster
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Posted - 2010.09.08 05:48:00 -
[2189]
Originally by: Companion Qube Let's just start with "I'm not pointing fingers" and go from there - allowing Bobby to hold all of the newly created trustee shares was a pretty big ****-up. That said, he did a damned good job of manipulating the situation and making the opportunity.
I knew it, you where in on this! Reported for scamming!
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Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em Stellar Defense Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.08 18:22:00 -
[2190]
I've added this thief to my list below. If anyone knows the names of any of his alts please let me know via email. (I could miss them if you post them here.)
♣ Bad Bobby Proof
Services I Provide:
Alliance Creation ● Caldari Standings ● Thieves Of EvE ● My Links ● POS Setups What Makes Me Tick
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.09 02:10:00 -
[2191]
I never did invest in T4U, though it wasn't for lack of trying. The timing just never worked out right.
I hope he enjoys his lulz-isk, because it cost him his reputation, perceived maturity, and dignity. There just isn't enough isk to buy that from me.
Congratulations to Bobby. Where once he was a respected player, a rare find in the Eve universe, he's opted to disappoint everyone and reveal himself as just another liar -- common as dirt. --
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Abighail
Best of the SS
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Posted - 2010.09.09 03:18:00 -
[2192]
Edited by: Abighail on 09/09/2010 03:20:28 Edited by: Abighail on 09/09/2010 03:18:51
Originally by: Bad Bobby
I've bumped the T4U sales thread with a fair portion of my alt army over the time it's been there. I suppose if nobody complains then nobody cares.
Anyway, back to the point at hand...
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Originally by: Emmgel I hold 20,000 shares, and am not part of the 40% BB mentions. I would vote against liquidation
Suspect that forms a majority of the shareholding...
Emmgel
I was eating dinner to day and thought I'd browse this thread from the beginning. I'm still wondering why you guys were orgasming over this IPO for the first 45 pages giving million and million away with practically every post. But I found this on one page. Perhaps BB's alts stirred you in your hot passion..?
I don't know but you guys are ****ing stupid each and everyone of you. This thread is ****ing hilarious. You just can't make up ******ation like this up. MD is ... like 'gifted and talented' program in a school for the mentally handicapped. You think you have a monocom of intelligence but fail horribly and evarrisgly.
Some did get a weird gelling I remember and one or two even backed out. I'm wondering how nobody else sensed something off about all this by at least page 5....
Seriously.. if you were one of the people who invested... youu should stop thinking about anything money related in this game, you're best suited for mining.
You were scammed by alts and bobby's friends. In the most obvious fashion. Also I posted in a thread yesterday that you guys might want to look at if you happen to have anything else invested right now.
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Originally by: Abighail Edited by: Abighail on 08/09/2010 07:41:02 Edited by: Abighail on 08/09/2010 07:38:23
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Aattos Invested without audit. If scammed...
Ini is sound as a pound, so I don't think you need to start looking for suitable ledges.
Obviously you've made that determination already and hence your investment. I've demonstrated the level of trust I have for him and the value I associate with my in-game friendship with him by putting 3 billion on the table. It just so happened that 3 bill was what I had loose in my wallet at the time. If the wallet had read 9 billion then Ini would have got the lot. You may all take that as a character reference.
[ lol
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Roger Kiyosaki
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2010.09.09 13:05:00 -
[2193]
Originally by: Abighail stuffz
I appreciate the attempt but you need to work on your trolling skills quite a bit.
Go grow a nose in the mean time.
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Scott Ryder
Amarr art of eve Gunmen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.09.09 19:22:00 -
[2194]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis I never did invest in T4U, though it wasn't for lack of trying. The timing just never worked out right.
I hope he enjoys his lulz-isk, because it cost him his reputation, perceived maturity, and dignity. There just isn't enough isk to buy that from me.
Congratulations to Bobby. Where once he was a respected player, a rare find in the Eve universe, he's opted to disappoint everyone and reveal himself as just another liar -- common as dirt.
qft
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israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.09 20:04:00 -
[2195]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis I never did invest in T4U, though it wasn't for lack of trying. The timing just never worked out right.
I hope he enjoys his lulz-isk, because it cost him his reputation, perceived maturity, and dignity. There just isn't enough isk to buy that from me.
Congratulations to Bobby. Where once he was a respected player, a rare find in the Eve universe, he's opted to disappoint everyone and reveal himself as just another liar -- common as dirt.
he's done what everybody in eve looks to do and thats make as much money as possable.
fact is he was allowed into the a situation where he could scam through MD's blind trust. blind because he was never audited and people threw billions at him. blind for the fact nobody picked up on the fact the trustee system in place was so **** poor.
the whole system MD uses to protect itself was either ignored by investors or allowed to fall apart by trustee's not keeping a watchful eye.
bobby managed to create the situation with the help of the very people he was scamming so well done to bobby because it won't be the last time this happens because there to many people on here who just want to throw money at anybody who promises a return.
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Aerilis
Gallente Percussive Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.09.09 21:32:00 -
[2196]
WTB T4U shares as a collectors item. Convo or mail me in game :)
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Athena Tarsis
Minmatar Sarz'na Khumatari Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:07:00 -
[2197]
Originally by: israus
Originally by: Athena Tarsis I never did invest in T4U, though it wasn't for lack of trying. The timing just never worked out right.
I hope he enjoys his lulz-isk, because it cost him his reputation, perceived maturity, and dignity. There just isn't enough isk to buy that from me.
Congratulations to Bobby. Where once he was a respected player, a rare find in the Eve universe, he's opted to disappoint everyone and reveal himself as just another liar -- common as dirt.
he's done what everybody in eve looks to do and thats make as much money as possable.
fact is he was allowed into the a situation where he could scam through MD's blind trust. blind because he was never audited and people threw billions at him. blind for the fact nobody picked up on the fact the trustee system in place was so **** poor.
the whole system MD uses to protect itself was either ignored by investors or allowed to fall apart by trustee's not keeping a watchful eye.
bobby managed to create the situation with the help of the very people he was scamming so well done to bobby because it won't be the last time this happens because there to many people on here who just want to throw money at anybody who promises a return.
I will agree this should be a learning experience, with the denizens of MD becoming more vigilant as a result.
That said, just because someone makes it easy to steal from them doesn't make it ok to do so; it's still stealing. --
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Lucyna
Minmatar Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.09.09 22:20:00 -
[2198]
Originally by: Abighail A bunch of rotten *******s
Cool story bro. Didn't you just try to make an 8B bond in here? If we are so stupid, why could you not outsmart us and get our money? Die in a fire in the game.
Also, you just lost The Game. _________ Eve - for when I'm not playing minecraft ;) |
israus
Minmatar Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.09.09 23:00:00 -
[2199]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis
I will agree this should be a learning experience, with the denizens of MD becoming more vigilant as a result.
That said, just because someone makes it easy to steal from them doesn't make it ok to do so; it's still stealing.
I dont think i said it was ok for him to do, just congratulated him on it. fact is bobby is just 1 in long chain. these large bonds, IPO, Banks all end up in scam. because it always comes to a point where the people involved in them see the large pie before there eyes and just can't help themselves.
but the good folks in here keep serving up those pie's so I don't see the great need for condemning bobby for what he did my view is that if it wasn't him somebody else would have done something simlair.
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Cobalt Sixty
Caldari The Price of Darkness
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Posted - 2010.09.10 00:38:00 -
[2200]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis That said, just because someone makes it easy to steal from them doesn't make it ok to do so; it's still stealing.
After years of reading these forums I've developed the personal opinion that most people who come to EVE Online expecting their personal morality to be reciprocated will ultimately be sorely disappointed.
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Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.10 12:19:00 -
[2201]
Edited by: Dzil on 10/09/2010 12:22:21 edit: fixed a quoting fail
Originally by: israus
my view is that if it wasn't him somebody else would have done something simlair.
In fact, had Cosmoray's shares not existed, any of the trustees could have grabbed the other 600 shares and created at worst a stalemate situation (his 800 vs the combined 800 of the other directors), and with a single missed vote on the remaining trustee's part executed a corporate theft of his own. This may be why none of the trustees said anything about the danger of the 600 share creation: it could well be one of them was prepared to sell out for 5 Titan BPOs, and BB just had a better hand. In particular, BB mentioned that PP was consistently logged in on his super secret director alt, even though it was agreed that should remain unsubbed unless a crisis broke.
Of course, right now we just don't know. To wildly accuse any of these trusted MD Elite of such intentions would of course be frowned upon, yet meanwhile when one runs off with the mill everyone's quick to point out all these red flags and how obvious it was. You know how the saying goes... hindsight is 20-20.
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
Emmgel
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Posted - 2010.09.10 15:12:00 -
[2202]
@ Abighail
I'm not sure what has prompted you to spray your, admittedly lukewarm, bile in my direction. You know nothing of my financial affairs, personal affairs, business dealings or history. I will simply therefore request that in future you regard both my personal and business practices as being quite outside the province of either your commentary or your criticism.
Mind you, given your own description of yourself as being Best of the SS - a bunch of automatonistic murderous racist thugs - it appears from that brief snapshot (which given your insignificance is all the information I can be bothered to gather) that your standards of personal and business conduct are likely to be as shabby as your febrile attempt at hindsight quasi-journalism.
Here's a pile of hot coals for your head. Does it burn?
Emmgel
P.S I hope the shares you bought from my alt two days after the last dividend brought you as much pleasure as I think they did. If you want, I'm happy to offer you 0.1 ISK per share to buy them back, purely for the sake of granting me the pleasure of having made over ten million times profit off you in less than a month for an identical commodity.
P.P.S Does it burn now?
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.10 15:58:00 -
[2203]
Originally by: Dzil Edited by: Dzil on 10/09/2010 12:22:21 edit: fixed a quoting fail
Originally by: israus
my view is that if it wasn't him somebody else would have done something simlair.
In fact, had Cosmoray's shares not existed, any of the trustees could have grabbed the other 600 shares and created at worst a stalemate situation (his 800 vs the combined 800 of the other directors), and with a single missed vote on the remaining trustee's part executed a corporate theft of his own. This may be why none of the trustees said anything about the danger of the 600 share creation: it could well be one of them was prepared to sell out for 5 Titan BPOs, and BB just had a better hand. In particular, BB mentioned that PP was consistently logged in on his super secret director alt, even though it was agreed that should remain unsubbed unless a crisis broke.
Of course, right now we just don't know. To wildly accuse any of these trusted MD Elite of such intentions would of course be frowned upon, yet meanwhile when one runs off with the mill everyone's quick to point out all these red flags and how obvious it was. You know how the saying goes... hindsight is 20-20.
There are a number of reasons this would not have worked. Firstly, Bad Bobby could and in fact did remove the directors' roles, thus preventing them from grabbing any unlocked items or new shares. Even if a trustee had taken the 600 shares, his roles could be removed then and the remaining members could presumably unlock the BPOs one at a time and lock them in a different corp or liquidate them. The trustee with 50% of the shares could try to block this, but he has no good reason to since he can't steal them and now the stalemate favors the remaining directors instead of the thief.
(I'm not quite sure what happens when someone has exactly 50% of the vote. Do votes require at least 50% or more than 50%?)
As I talked about earlier, the CEO poses a much greater threat than the other trustees, who do not even need to have director roles to prevent unlocks or liquidate.
I think Bad Bobby said it was AC155, not PP, that had a consistently subbed director alt.
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Michela
Bosun Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.09.11 02:58:00 -
[2204]
Originally by: Cobalt Sixty After years of reading these forums I've developed the personal opinion that most people who come to EVE Online expecting their personal morality to be reciprocated will ultimately be sorely disappointed.
After four years in EVE ... and a significant amount of time lurking in this forum ... this is probably the one of the most accurate statements I've seen here in a long time. |
Mella Elcus
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Posted - 2010.09.12 02:12:00 -
[2205]
Originally by: Athena Tarsis I hope he enjoys his lulz-isk, because it cost him his reputation, perceived maturity, and dignity. There just isn't enough isk to buy that from me.
Oh yeah, he lost all his (anonymous) dignity and perceived maturity on the internet spaceship forum. I mean seriously, if that wouldn't make you want to kill yourself, what would?
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Horak Thor
I.M.M Session Changes
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Posted - 2010.09.21 01:58:00 -
[2206]
posting to be part of lol thread [url=http://www.enquilon.com/omg/killboard4/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=60783] [/url] |
oil
Double-L
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Posted - 2010.09.21 04:54:00 -
[2207]
so would you do business dealings based on trust with the person behind bad bobby in reall life if u knew about his connection to this here?
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:19:00 -
[2208]
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Many people have been confused about how the trustees would prevent theft if Bad Bobby had tried to scam without having enough shares (including the trustees themselves). Estel has explained that the trustees can indeed prevent a stalemate: stuff
Last time I checked, the CEO has ultimate power over everything. As to the BPO's, he can take directors' roles without any confirmation, and then simply allow the rent on the office to lapse. Once the rent has lapsed, for a one-time cost, he can release the office's contents from impound directly into his personal hangar. Needless to say, the BPO's that tumble out of impound will no longer be locked.
Unless a game mechanic has changed considerably, the trustees were for the HBAB scenario only. The way they were set up was to prevent collusion between them resulting in a "hostile takeover"; preventing Bad Bobby as CEO from scamming was impossible no matter how many shares they held.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compressionexpansion! WTF? |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:24:00 -
[2209]
Originally by: oil so would you do business dealings based on trust with the person behind bad bobby in reall life if u knew about his connection to this here?
No. Here's my thinking: I'd happily have a drink with him, as he seems like an interesting fellow, and he might even make a decent friend, but I wouldn't ask him to hold on to a bunch of hundred-dollar bills that I hadn't gotten around to counting yet while I used the loo, nor would I introduce him to my daughter. Chribba, on the other hand....
All joking aside, for the record, I didn't lose a penny on this. But that's not because of some superior intellect or judgment; I've just stopped investing in people I can't punch in the face without buying a plane ticket.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compressionexpansion! WTF? |
Dzil
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:30:00 -
[2210]
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Many people have been confused about how the trustees would prevent theft if Bad Bobby had tried to scam without having enough shares (including the trustees themselves). Estel has explained that the trustees can indeed prevent a stalemate: stuff
Last time I checked, the CEO has ultimate power over everything. As to the BPO's, he can take directors' roles without any confirmation, and then simply allow the rent on the office to lapse. Once the rent has lapsed, for a one-time cost, he can release the office's contents from impound directly into his personal hangar. Needless to say, the BPO's that tumble out of impound will no longer be locked.
Unless a game mechanic has changed considerably, the trustees were for the HBAB scenario only. The way they were set up was to prevent collusion between them resulting in a "hostile takeover"; preventing Bad Bobby as CEO from scamming was impossible no matter how many shares they held.
MP
You may be right. Nonetheless I seem to recall during the setup phase some articulate plan involving releasing one Titan BPO at a time, locking it, then another. Part of this may have been due to the slow process of gathering 250 billion isk from investors, but I'd thought part was supposedly to ensure he didn't just walk with the isk at the start. Of course if as you claim is true, it was all for show only.
Retired from corp sales. Time to spend some of this on pretty explosions :) |
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.21 14:39:00 -
[2211]
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Kapila Parthalan Many people have been confused about how the trustees would prevent theft if Bad Bobby had tried to scam without having enough shares (including the trustees themselves). Estel has explained that the trustees can indeed prevent a stalemate: stuff
Last time I checked, the CEO has ultimate power over everything. As to the BPO's, he can take directors' roles without any confirmation, and then simply allow the rent on the office to lapse. Once the rent has lapsed, for a one-time cost, he can release the office's contents from impound directly into his personal hangar. Needless to say, the BPO's that tumble out of impound will no longer be locked.
Unless a game mechanic has changed considerably, the trustees were for the HBAB scenario only. The way they were set up was to prevent collusion between them resulting in a "hostile takeover"; preventing Bad Bobby as CEO from scamming was impossible no matter how many shares they held.
MP
It turns out that this is not the case. See Estel's posts earlier in the thread (p. 72-3). The corp could have been set up in a way that would have prevented the stalemate situation you refer to. This wouldn't have actually helped in this case, though, due to the botched share creation but in principle it seems that this offering could have been properly secured. However, until Estel pointed them out it seems that no one involved was au fait with the relevant mechanics.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.09.21 15:22:00 -
[2212]
There has been a basic error which would have lead to the scam to succeed sooner or later.
Everyone (involved) believed in BB's trustworthiness.
Everything was made to fit on this assumption, even the trustees were just appendices whose main reason to exist was to secure the assets in case of BB's inability to play any more.
I.e. BB was so good that people believed that it'd be easier for him to die (and they managed that) than scam.
Until the mentality stays like this, you can implement all the mechanisms you want that a security hole will be found and exploited. - Auditing & consulting
When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Kapila Parthalan
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Posted - 2010.09.22 04:16:00 -
[2213]
Originally by: Motivated Prophet Last time I checked, the CEO has ultimate power over everything. As to the BPO's, he can take directors' roles without any confirmation, and then simply allow the rent on the office to lapse. Once the rent has lapsed, for a one-time cost, he can release the office's contents from impound directly into his personal hangar. Needless to say, the BPO's that tumble out of impound will no longer be locked.
Unless a game mechanic has changed considerably, the trustees were for the HBAB scenario only. The way they were set up was to prevent collusion between them resulting in a "hostile takeover"; preventing Bad Bobby as CEO from scamming was impossible no matter how many shares they held.
MP
There are a few key things the CEO can't do. Even if the directors' roles are removed, the trustees can initiate a CEO takeover as long as the characters hold at least 5% shares. I think that earlier posts mentioned that assets released the way you describe are still locked down, or that this is considered an exploit, although I'm not clear on this. The discussion prior to launch clearly indicated that trustees were to avert theft as well as HBAB, and yes, they could have stopped BB if they had been more careful.
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GavinCapacitor
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:29:00 -
[2214]
Well, this sucks. Still, as a first (and last) venture into investing into things, having it be the biggest scam in the history of eve is something I guess. And if I ever feel the need to try investing in something again, I can just go to my wallet and look at those t4u shares.
Man, with all that money... you could sub several accounts from now until the end of eve...
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:40:00 -
[2215]
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Well, this sucks. Still, as a first (and last) venture into investing into things, having it be the biggest scam in the history of eve is something I guess. And if I ever feel the need to try investing in something again, I can just go to my wallet and look at those t4u shares.
Man, with all that money... you could sub several accounts from now until the end of eve...
Nowhere near the largest scam in eve history, if that makes you feel any better. Grendell ♥
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:44:00 -
[2216]
Originally by: Grendell
Originally by: GavinCapacitor Well, this sucks. Still, as a first (and last) venture into investing into things, having it be the biggest scam in the history of eve is something I guess. And if I ever feel the need to try investing in something again, I can just go to my wallet and look at those t4u shares.
Man, with all that money... you could sub several accounts from now until the end of eve...
Nowhere near the largest scam in eve history, if that makes you feel any better.
Kick the man while he's down, why don't you!
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.09.30 18:45:00 -
[2217]
Originally by: Grendell Nowhere near the largest scam in eve history, if that makes you feel any better.
I'm glad to see that Grendell is keeping track of this.
Um, wait . . .
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Business Classy
Business Class Investments
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Posted - 2010.09.30 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Grendell Nowhere near the largest scam in eve history, if that makes you feel any better.
I'm glad to see that Grendell is keeping track of this.
Um, wait . . .
Hehe I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought something like that
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.09.30 20:12:00 -
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I've been around since the start of eve, so it's not a matter keeping track. These sort of things happen in eve, and I just remember them.
Despite some of the old publicly known scams there's also a lot of scams that haven gone unnoticed behind closed doors. Some of these never got to the public because sadly it was done between friends.
If you think the public scams are low or below the belt, you'd be shocked how cruel and deceitful a scam can be between friends. I've had a friends scam each other, I've had friends scam me.
It's those events that made me as paranoid as I am today.
Grendell ♥
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Letrange
Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation
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Posted - 2010.09.30 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grendell I've been around since the start of eve, so it's not a matter keeping track. These sort of things happen in eve, and I just remember them.
Despite some of the old publicly known scams there's also a lot of scams that haven gone unnoticed behind closed doors. Some of these never got to the public because sadly it was done between friends.
If you think the public scams are low or below the belt, you'd be shocked how cruel and deceitful a scam can be between friends. I've had a friends scam each other, I've had friends scam me.
It's those events that made me as paranoid as I am today.
Yep, this is EVE, the question is not "Are you paranoid?". The question is "Are you paranoid enough?".
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.10.10 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lederstrumpf on 10/10/2010 18:23:34
Originally by: Bad Bobby gaps in the procedures and these grey areas where responsibilities were not clearly defined were exactly what I counted upon for the success of my scam.
It's interesting to see you obviously put some writing effort into "taking the blame alone".
It should be taken for granted that a scammers word can't be trusted, so how if I'd interpret your effort as whitewashing attempt in respect towards another trustee possibly involved in scamming, maybe being an alt of yours?
If in fact another trustee would be an alt of yours, deniability might be an issue. A scammer in love with scamming would not like to give up his precious alts he gained trust with elsewhere. It just would not make sense businesswise, not even for a scammer who landed some big coup. You would reuse them by having them participate in more scams of yours, to create some false sense of security on victim side.
So grey areas would in fact not only provide you with opportunity to scam, but possibly even _grant_ you the opportunity to scam plus some deniability functionality on top, right?!!
That was quite a "slippery" answer on that "How did you get the 200 shares from a trustee?" question in here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=69#2046
You could have chosen to reply nothing. Instead you asked: "Are you sure you want the full details?" For sure we want the full details! And I'm pretty convinced if Vaseline was involved, you were using it on your own only -- as asking that "where did you get the shares from" obviously hit a spot.
Originally by: Bad Bobby blaming the trustees makes for more entertaining drama
Furthermore, I receive this as an attempt to rhetorically downplay that digging deeper in regards to trustee involvement in fact would reveal some knowledge you do not want to have disclosed... if you're tight enough on intel to plan this scam months ahead, than you probably would be capable of being tight enough on intel not to give out who is not involved. What reason do you have to give out intel other than to deceive, which you obviously enjoy in the first case?
So I may assume you're enjoying playing a game. Don't we all?
Originally by: Bad Bobby I expect to be pleasantly suprised by how many you get... I'd also be interested to see how many get incorrectly labelled as a "BB alt".
Is what you answered on "What are all of Bad Bobby's other mains and alts?". 'Pleasantly surprised' as in "There's at least another halfway intelligent being who's playing EVE"? The good old "criminal leaves hints because he's convinced police is too stupid to track him down despite the hints"?!! Getting richer ISK-wise doesn't give you any thrill at all anymore since quite some long time ago, am I right? And you once again play that psychological card of "You'll probably fail, finding some wrong positives along the way" to lure people into believing they'll have no luck. You're in a way making fun of all the ones trying.. and asking to get your alts hunted down at the same time!
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Lucyna
Of course you can confirm that you are a Ji alt :)
We all are!
Wait, Ji scammed himself
Ji scammed himself? THAT CAN NOT BE POSSIBLE, HE LOST BILLIONS!
The funny thing is: Sometimes it might be WORTH investing billions in a scam, too. Especially if you'd kind of know in advance you'll fully recover it by successfully scamming...
And once your wallet is big enough you can spend some billion ISK here or there to a) provide PLEX to plenty of alts b) have alts create new low ISK volume bonds and stuff with interest happily paid for in return of new character bound trust.... until payday.
So what would I do with billions of scammed ISK? Maybe go buy some PLEX to pay for some more alts? Maybe to spread some rumor about someone trying to manipulate PLEX market, to in fact manipulate the PLEX market by means of that rumor? Or just do some more investment stuff right away?
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Noskill McCheese
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.10.15 21:41:00 -
[2222]
lulz
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Tamahra
Gallente Danke fuer den Fisch
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Posted - 2010.10.16 09:05:00 -
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lol. This is a very entertaining thread i must say.
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thatrandom
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Posted - 2010.10.16 23:32:00 -
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id like to reserve 20 shares.
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