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Just Alter
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:02:00 -
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I was reading the other thread about the mail she sent.
Somebody summed up the whole problem pretty well:
Ranger 1 wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:I stand stand by it all.
Basically we are at war with the goons and the point no one is coming to help us. We have to stand on our own.
CCP won't save is, CSM won't save us, this is Eve. I'm not attacking CCP or CSM, I am saying they aren't in Eve to "save" us. That is the point of this message to my alliance, we need to not roll over and die. This message could go out to any other high sec corp or player that feels that they are under the boot heel of oppression in Eve.
So feel free to take it any way you want. But the fact is, the population of high sec that feels that they are the unfair targets of a certain group of players must rise to face the challenge. There is no help coming. We face this challenge alone.
Practically boilerplate for most cries to rally together during hard times and impossible odds.
Issler The above text, highlighting the pertinent parts, does not equal the below text. Quote:To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives,so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM.Basically Eve is beyond broken.CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. I'm sorry Issler, but you quite clearly spell out that you believe EVE is beyond broken and that the CSM is directly attacking you through the corps/alliances those representatives hail from, with the insinuation it is because of your stance on CSM related issues. Then you go further asking players to join together as they did against CCP's after the NEX was introduced, which involved protests and mass unsubscription. You may not have meant it to come across that way, which is a bit of a stretch considering how clearly it is written, but either way this is possibly the most irresponsible action I have seen a CSM delegate take so far. I have nothing against you in any way, and support at least the general concept behind some of the things you have spoken out for, but this is most disappointing. I would suggest you get your head on straight about how you make public statements about the CSM if you wish to remain a member of them for your full term. Being outspoken, even critical, is fine... but outright unsubstantiated accusations of persecution and statements that EVE is "beyond broken" shows that your head is not in the right place to be a positive force in the development of the game. Your conduct is bordering on becoming worse than what you have so frequently accused others (including the Mittani) of, namely using your position on the CSM to manipulate people and events to your personal advantage in game. I won't stand for it from any of the other delegates, and after all of your preaching about it I certainly won't stand for it from you.
This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
156
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:06:00 -
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+1
for the lulz There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
243
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:07:00 -
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Posting in another "I hate Issler" thread.
Issler must be doing it right to get all this hate.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
890
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:07:00 -
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But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with? Mane 614
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Fabulousli Obvious
State War Academy Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:08:00 -
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Anyone seen Mr. The L0ck yet today ? He's very late. Last words:-á Either that wallpaper goes, or I do. ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900 |
White Tree
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
819
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:08:00 -
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More like Issler Dunce. Former member of CSM6, Champion of the Gallente Master Race. |
Caldari Citizen 786478786
140
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:08:00 -
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As if the flood of tears in the first GOON thread weren't delicious enough, their nut-hugging pets from TEST have arrived to show us all real meaning of whining on the forums. |
Josef Djugashvilis
185
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:12:00 -
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One can only hope that Ladie Harlot adds his/her unique balanced take on this anti - Issler thread. You want fries with that? |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
58
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:13:00 -
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I'll say before what I said on there
TheBreadMuncher wrote:Youd've thought that if Goons didn't want this kind of slander, they'd have voted in their own representative for the CSM or something? Somebody to protect their interests? I mean, the concept of a CSM member slandering other people is obviously completely new!Oh yeah...
I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned. |
Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
59
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:13:00 -
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ISSLER DAINZER IS EXPLOITING SPACE DRUGS TO MAKE PROFITS OFF THE SICK AND WEAKLY!!!! |
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Kehro Urgus
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:13:00 -
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Deal with it.
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -- Oscar Wilde
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Alara IonStorm
2180
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:14:00 -
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Where in her posts does she direct folks to harass a player into committing suicide?
Unless you think being a very annoying acerbic person is equatable. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
243
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:15:00 -
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Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:As if the flood of tears in the first GOON thread weren't delicious enough, their nut-hugging pets from TEST have arrived to show us all real meaning of whining on the forums.
Don't forget the -FA- folk. But they are probably still getting permission to post but, I'm sure we'll see them here soon.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
755
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:19:00 -
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Posting in a shitpost thread I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
890
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:22:00 -
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As much as certain members of the CFC would like to think otherwise, disagreeing with them is not something that CCP will punish you for. Unlike Mittens, Issler didn't break any rules.
If you don't want Issler to be on the CSM, don't vote for him/her, back a candidate who holds his liquor better and doesn't violate the EULA and generally just be better at politics. Mane 614
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
156
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:24:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:I'll say before what I said on there TheBreadMuncher wrote:Youd've thought that if Goons didn't want this kind of slander, they'd have voted in their own representative for the CSM or something? Somebody to protect their interests? I mean, the concept of a CSM member slandering other people is obviously completely new!Oh yeah... Furthermore, the concept of encouraging suicide and cyberbullying is far worse than merely slating the goons... Her posts make me want to /wrists
Does that count? There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Malak Dawnfire
27th Gallentean Fleet
61
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:28:00 -
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The forums are in UPROAR over this treacherous act the CSM has pulled and thousands of angry players are filling the streets across the world in protest AND WE SHALL NOT STAND FOR THIS INJUSTICE!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW6wfXPeJTw |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:32:00 -
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Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a first, but it's in their by-laws, or CSM EULA (whatever) which he clearly violated. Furthermore, he was allowed to resign before he was removed. This means he can run again. So, he's not gone.
The one who posted this response to Issler takes the extra step of admonishing and directing a person. That sort of egotistical overbearance rankles me every time I see it. Of course, now and then I do the same thing, but I'm JOKING, and what I suggest people DO is usually physically impossible...and naturally my reaction is to their reaction to my reaction to their reaction....
It's easy to understand Issler's frustration. For now, any new alliance near the Goons are starting the match laying flat on the mat with the Goons hovering overhead. Like Pierre Trudeau once said about the U.S., "When you're a flea living next to an elephant, every sneeze is significant." There really isn't enough in the quotes to clearly understand what went on, or is going on. So, allow me to speculate:
I've watched with great interest the results of Band of Brothers folding. Not to oversimplify, there was some pushing and shoving between three major alliances. Some sort of borders were established more along the lines of the reach of power attainable than it was on someone roundly defeating someone else. So, as much as the Goons like to squawk, they aren't the be-all, end-all out where they live. They seem to have given up on presenting much of a challenge to any null sec competition, and moved their activities to high sec where it can appear to them they're achieving some sort of success.
What people don't seem to realize is the management techniques and sort of personnel that make up the Goons don't lend themselves well to attaining much more than they've attained up to now. (Read some of the threads on ASPD to discover why this is.) Not much is said about the other alliances that seem to be in a position of conquest. At first blush it would seem an easy matter to take advantage of the Goons' shortcomings, of which the Goons are hardly aware. It could be those concerned don't yet realize this.
However, it could be those concerned aren't really concerned. An extended fight with the Goons to overthrow them in particular doesn't seem to be a valid goal for an alliance. If there's no Goon push to push back, why bother? If they've stopped being a threat (if they ever were, and the stronger alliances have said they don't really view the Goons as a threat to them) what would be the point? My point is, given this situation for an alliance to boldly move out into null sec, it might be a good idea to take all this into consideration. You'd have to be well-manned, and well-organized before the move. You'll almost certainly meet immediate resistance. If you're too strong, it's most likely they'll leave you alone. Win the war before it's fought.
All that being said, if you move out there and find yourself beset on all sides with little recourse, it's likely your move was too ambitious. It shouldn't matter if CSMs or GMs or ISDs or the president of Iceland is out there piloting against you. They are what they are, and that is what you'd be up against, regardless of your wishes and desires. Overcoming the fact that some EVE players have been in this game several years longer than others, and are operating with a decided advantage there is sufficient. There'd be no need to use "insider" power to mount a signficant challenge.
Like I said, I appreciate the frustration. The way I see it, any alliance strong enough to mount a challenge to the handful of most powerful alliances is doing it right. EVE may be a sandbox, but that level of play is playing the game. EVE is designed to be played a certain way at that level. The effort to make such a move would be a gargantuan effort - starting out small. And, the journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step. Many people may want to do it. Not many will put in the effort it would require. I daresay those alliances out there would welcome a serious challenge to their abilities, organizational strength and membership activity.
TL;DR You're not going to just waltz out to the land of the big dogs and not become someone's lunch. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
118
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:35:00 -
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Somebody call....
...oh good...thank god, somebody had the smarts enough to call the whambulance....I thought this thread needed it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6908
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:38:00 -
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Pok Nibin wrote:Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a firstGǪ It wasn't a first. IIRC, he was the third CSM to be kicked out of office.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
246
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:38:00 -
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White Tree wrote:More like Issler Dunce.
Was almost clever ... almost.
Nothing clever at this time. |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with? The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did.
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Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a firstGǪ It wasn't a first. IIRC, he was the third CSM to be kicked out of office. I sit corrected.
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:42:00 -
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REMOVE THE WHOLE CSM
Nothing but another place for null asses to get off on.
O hey, 70% of eve is in HS... LETS HAVE A CSM OF NULL YEP, MAKES SENSE LOLOLOL.
Yes caps were needed for this post. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
146
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:50:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with? The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did. That's the thing. The leader of EVE Uni would never do such a thing. MOST people wouldn't. You're also overlooking the fact that what was done violated Icelandic law - re: Iceland Media Board. MOST people don't get drunk and engage in unlawful activity (then claim being drunk as an excuse.) That CCP allowed Mitt an open mic without a broadcast delay and a kill switch makes them culpable. Don't minimalize this. It isn't a small thing, and it certainly isn't "just because it was Mitt." Though, the fact that it WAS him is more reason why more caution should have been taken by management. Never drink with the customers.
Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6908
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:50:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did. GǪas demonstrated by the fact that the GǣoutrageGǥ came, not when he made his controversial statements, but when he was re-elected chairman.
Pok Nibin wrote:It isn't a small thing, and it certainly isn't "just because it was Mitt." The timing of the whole thing tells a slightly different story, thoughGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
274
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:53:00 -
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Does this mean we don't hate mittens anymore? Does anyone know if Issler is a real girl? Maybe next year at fanfest we will get to see some bewbs
They blotted that out. |
Josef Djugashvilis
185
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:53:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with? The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did.
Partially true I suspect
For those who used it go go after mittens in the political sense, good, mittens would have, quite rightly, done the same if it had been some one else.
Eve is a harsh and brutal game, as mittens now knows to his cost. You want fries with that? |
Alara IonStorm
2187
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:55:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪas demonstrated by the fact that the GǣoutrageGǥ came, not when he made his controversial statements, but when he was re-elected chairman.
One thing is followed by the other and therefor is caused by the former.
I wanted some sort of reprimand and never heard about the comment until after. I voted for him before I did.
Some people did it for political reasons (In a video game as silly as it sounds.) but it doesn't change the event.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6909
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Posted - 2012.05.19 16:59:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Some people did it for political reasons (In a video game as silly as it sounds.) but it doesn't change the event. No, but it makes their outrage and the baying for blood insincere and hollow and belittles the whole deal even further. Calculated cynicism is a nasty (and very contagious) affliction.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:11:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
Deal with it, you can quote me on that. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3841
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:11:00 -
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adam smash wrote:REMOVE THE WHOLE CSM
Nothing but another place for null asses to get off on.
O hey, 70% of eve is in HS... LETS HAVE A CSM OF NULL YEP, MAKES SENSE LOLOLOL.
Yes caps were needed for this post.
Really CCP need to look at that rule that stops "HS" voting for "HS" candidates.
Wait no they need to look at the rule that you're allowed to smear your posts over everyone's screens like the ***** of a deranged paranoid-schizophrenic. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
79
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:14:00 -
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I think I can safely say 93.64% of EVE's player base doesn't give a flying squirrel, one way or the other, about CSM or its members. Let it be. |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:16:00 -
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maybe organize your high sec gaggle of scrublords into something slightly less ******** and you, too, can fly to ice land to dine and wine with the best (nerds) |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
891
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:17:00 -
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HVAC Repairman wrote:The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did.
I've seen this argument used a dozen times by Goons and it doesn't fly with me. That's the thing - the leader of the EVE Uni wouldn't have called for people to encourage someone to commit suicide. He didn't call for people to encourage someone to commit suicide - Mittens did. You can get into all these hypotheticals until the sun turns black and it won't make a bit of difference - it was Mittens that did it, and it was Mittens that got punished for it. To be honest, I think he got off incredibly lightly for a man who was essentially implying that a living human being should be encouraged to end their own existence - a 30-day ban and forced resignation from one CSM is an incredibly lenient punishment when I personally know people who've been permabanned for less.
Here's a hypothetical question for you - if the offending person had been a member of Raiden. or NCDot, or a large hi-sec alliance... no, wait! I've got the perfect example. What if it had been Jade Constantine? I don't think there's a single member of Goonswarm who likes Jade Constantine. Jade seems like an excellent person for this hypothetical.
What if it had been Jade Constantine who had done what Mittens did? Would Goons be so quick to leap to Jade Constantine's defense if he'd violated the EULA in such a manner? Would the Goons be clamouring for him to be allowed to stand on the next CSM, or would they be calling for a permaban? Or would they just not care? Mane 614
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:27:00 -
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people who play eve can hardly be called living human beings |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:28:00 -
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also whats this specist bull crap? why is telling a human to kill themselves suddenly worse than shouting at your cat when they dig deep furrows in your favorite anime real doll? |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:28:00 -
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lina inverse died that day. she died and it was the fault of that stupid cat,, |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
891
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:30:00 -
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Herp derp, let's make vaccuous and disjointed derogatory guestures, because that will make our arguments valid. Mane 614
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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
246
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:31:00 -
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Commit Sudoku wrote:maybe organize your high sec gaggle of scrublords into something slightly less ******** and you, too, can fly to ice land to dine and wine with the best (nerds)
You mean like your candidate this year ... oh wait, sorry
Nothing clever at this time. |
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.05.19 17:33:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Herp derp, let's make vaccuous and disjointed derogatory guestures, because that will make our arguments valid. It's 'vacuous', since the word was derived from the latin vacuus meaning void or empty, like my soul after lina's fiery furor was forfeit to that feline foe. |
Pok Nibin
Viziam Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did. GǪas demonstrated by the fact that the GÇ£outrageGÇ¥ came, not when he made his controversial statements, but when he was re-elected chairman. Pok Nibin wrote:It isn't a small thing, and it certainly isn't "just because it was Mitt." The timing of the whole thing tells a slightly different story, thoughGǪ That may be relevant to you, however, such excuses, or attempts at mitigation don't usually fly when put before a judge. Don't fight it.-á Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs.-á You know you want to. |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
140
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:16:00 -
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Uhm, so it seems like the CFC members really don't like this Issler CSM person.
First thread I saw about this 'incident' was from a member of Goonswarm.
This thread is from a member of TEST.
I dunno, seems like this Issler person is someone to rally behind if he's making all these CFC people mad, for the lulz if nothing else. |
Prince Kobol
584
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:17:00 -
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I completely disagree.
I believe that Issler should stay on the CSM as she provides great comedy value.
Yes she is possibly the worst ever CSM Member, yes she has no clue what so ever, yes she continuously makes a complete and utter fool out herself, yes is continues to show a total lack of understanding about the game mechanics.
For all the reason I have mentioned above she must remain on the CSM as an example of when people vote for somebody just because they do not like somebody else, instead of putting there personal feeling aside and voting for those who actually stand for something and have the ability to make things happen.
Issler is an example of the very worst person that can be elected on the CSM and should be used for years to come what can happen when people let there person issues get in the way of making a educated decision,
Long live the worst CSM Member in the history of Eve
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:18:00 -
[45] - Quote
if you want to rally behind someone who claims THE CSM and ccp are out to get him because his lowsec towers got owned I guess. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6909
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:20:00 -
[46] - Quote
Pok Nibin wrote:That may be relevant to you, however, such excuses, or attempts at mitigation don't usually fly when put before a judge. Good thing, then, that it's neither an excuse or an attempt at mitigation, but an accusation.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Shift-click does nothing GÇö why the Unified Inventory isn't ready for primetime. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
794
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:20:00 -
[47] - Quote
Commit Sudoku wrote:if you want to rally behind someone who claims THE CSM and ccp are out to get him because his lowsec towers got owned I guess. "Highsec miners"
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Torneach
Emrys Enterprises
142
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:20:00 -
[48] - Quote
Commit Sudoku wrote:if you want to rally behind someone who claims THE CSM and ccp are out to get him because his lowsec towers got owned I guess.
Like I said, for the lulz if nothing else.
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:23:00 -
[49] - Quote
as a big proponent of lulz i can respect that, I also ironically quote animes and terrible webcomics to get a rise out of people so we do have some common ground, you and me |
Prince Kobol
584
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:30:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Commit Sudoku wrote:if you want to rally behind someone who claims THE CSM and ccp are out to get him because his lowsec towers got owned I guess. "Highsec miners"
Hey Hey Hey
Issler does not stand for High Sec Miners.
In my spare time I am a High Sec miner and I have disagreed with every single word that moronic idiot has ever said / typed.
Issler does not stand for anybody expect herself and a tiny handfull of brain dead morons
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HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.05.19 18:30:00 -
[51] - Quote
edit: just a sec |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
894
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Posted - 2012.05.19 19:17:00 -
[52] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:If the same scenario happened under the same circumstances with Jade instead of the Mittens I have no doubt that there would a certain element of the game that would go after him. My issue was never that people targeted Mittens for what he said nor did I say that there shouldn't be a punishment of some sort. My issue was that a significant amount of people that went after him were doing so by feigning interest in the the welfare of an ice miner
Given that I've had to cope with suicidal acquaintances, yes, I was genuinely concerned for the welfare of a human being whom Mittens encouraged people to drive to suicide. I've also seen substantial evidence that it wasn't a careless drunken outburst. Personally I don't hold much sympathy for ice mining or mining in general as a profession (I don't, for example, get upset about Hulkageddon. I just encourage all my miner friends to do something else for a month), but I think you underestimate the level of genuine human sympathy present among players of this game.
HVAC Repairman wrote:instead of just admitting that it was politically calculated move.
That said, I don't deny that a lot of people were just crying crocodile tears and rallying behind The Wis to get at Mittani. But that's the thing, see - Mittens has intentionally constructed this persona of Internet Spaceships Douchebag Supervillain, daring people to get as angry and hateful at him as they can possibly manage. He's basically the Goon of Goons - daring people to get as furious at him as they possibly can, and laughing madly when they do.
Well guess what? He deserves hearty congratulations, because it worked. People hate Goons. People hate Mittens. People get angry at the mere thought of your existence, and the existence of your leader. You are the scourge and unstoppable rage-generating shitmachine that you guys always wanted to be. There's no denying that. But you can't expect to do that and then also expect the very same people you've so deeply enraged to treat you objectively. You can pick one, or the other, but not both. Mittens put himself in a position where he couldn't afford to make the mistake he made, made it anyway, and then Goons acted surprised that things turned out the way they did.
The Wis was a convenient weapon for the people Mittens angered to use against him, and the Goons can't really complain that they did. You kind of made your own bed here.
HVAC Repairman wrote:Would certain goons go after Jade? In all likelihood, yes. Would they use a pubbie ice miner to masquerade our agenda?
Yeah, I think some of you would, and you damn well know you would, too. Oh, of course, you'd do it with even less sincerity than the crowd that went after Mittens, but please let's not be disingenuous - you know there's some Goons who would feign sympathy for an ice miner if it served their agenda (which in this hypothetical scenario would be "getting Jade Constantine banned for lulz"). That's just how politics works. Mane 614
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
334
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Posted - 2012.05.19 19:38:00 -
[53] - Quote
you do know that the mittani supported the jita protest and told people to unsub so that ccp would change... how is this different? PLEX FOR PIZZA!
TECH iii MINNING SHIPS! |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
966
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Posted - 2012.05.19 19:44:00 -
[54] - Quote
I love self owning threads.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.05.19 19:48:00 -
[55] - Quote
edit - ugh firefox is messing with me again |
HVAC Repairman
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
39
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:01:00 -
[56] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:Given that I've had to cope with suicidal acquaintances, yes, I was genuinely concerned for the welfare of a human being whom Mittens encouraged people to drive to suicide. I've also seen substantial evidence that it wasn't a careless drunken outburst. Personally I don't hold much sympathy for ice mining or mining in general as a profession (I don't, for example, get upset about Hulkageddon. I just encourage all my miner friends to do something else for a month), but I think you underestimate the level of genuine human sympathy present among players of this game.
That said, I don't deny that a lot of people were just crying crocodile tears and rallying behind The Wis to get at Mittani. But that's the thing, see - Mittens has intentionally constructed this persona of Internet Spaceships Douchebag Supervillain, daring people to get as angry and hateful at him as they can possibly manage. He's basically the Goon of Goons - daring people to get as furious at him as they possibly can, and laughing madly when they do.
Well guess what? He deserves hearty congratulations, because it worked. People hate Goons. People hate Mittens. People get angry at the mere thought of your existence, and the existence of your leader. You are the scourge and unstoppable rage-generating shitmachine that you guys always wanted to be. There's no denying that. But you can't expect to do that and then also expect the very same people you've so deeply enraged to treat you objectively. You can pick one, or the other, but not both. Mittens put himself in a position where he couldn't afford to make the mistake he made, made it anyway, and then Goons acted surprised that things turned out the way they did.
[redacted] was a convenient weapon for the people Mittens angered to use against him, and the Goons can't really complain that they did. You kind of made your own bed here.
Yeah, I think some of you would, and you damn well know you would, too. Oh, of course, you'd do it with even less sincerity than the crowd that went after Mittens, but please let's not be disingenuous - you know there's some Goons who would feign sympathy for an ice miner if it served their agenda (which in this hypothetical scenario would be "getting Jade Constantine banned for lulz"). That's just how politics works.
So, you essentially agree with me? All I ever stated was that the majority of the people gunning after Mittens did it because they see him and GSF as internet spaceship satan. Yes, there was a core group that would have been offended either way, I never dismissed that. I never once argued that Mittens didn't step over the line or that he should get off without some sort of punishment. The only things I've ever publicly stated that I found the people who used the well-being of an ice miner as a political rallying cry to wave a battle flag for their own personal agenda just as offensive as anything Mittens has or ever will say.
As for Jade, I'm so glad you put words in my mouth of what I would or would not do. Personally I have no issues with him, and on occasion do get a laugh at how well he sometimes baits people. I can't say for certain what I would or would not do, but I wouldn't use a highsec ice miner as an excuse to go after him. I have no doubt that there would be some people gunning for Jade, but you certainly wouldn't have seen it in the numbers of people who went after Mittens nor would you see a majority of the same people attacking Mittens attacking Jade, which is the only point I'm really trying to make.
tl:dr butts lol burn all of hisec
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:01:00 -
[57] - Quote
every time I hear fire I see her red locks linaaaaaaaa
Anyway why are there 5 threads about this bull **** come on folks |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:03:00 -
[58] - Quote
Its ALL a conspiracy by DNS Black! |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:09:00 -
[59] - Quote
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:As if the flood of tears in the first GOON thread weren't delicious enough, their nut-hugging pets from TEST have arrived to show us all real meaning of whining on the forums.
Goons don't really do the whole "pet" thing. They really aren't into the whole "padding their space with people they don't like" thing, either.
Goons tend to shoot people they don't like. Hell, Goons tend to shoot people they DO like, for fun. All these people that you refer to as "pets", likely because you think they have no voice or something (idk, really). They are all friends of Goons. They like Goons, and Goons like them.
Goons don't abandon their friends, like certain alliances did with their "pets". If Raiden. or whoever decides to try and take a swipe at an ally, and that ally looks like they might not handle it, Goons will come and help out if asked. Not for any cost, or payment or anything. Just to help out a friend in need.
So you can take your little "pets" business and turn around and go back to whatever corner of space that you call home and enjoy your little ideas on your own time. |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:13:00 -
[60] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:As if the flood of tears in the first GOON thread weren't delicious enough, their nut-hugging pets from TEST have arrived to show us all real meaning of whining on the forums. Goons don't really do the whole "pet" thing. They really aren't into the whole "padding their space with people they don't like" thing, either. Goons tend to shoot people they don't like. Hell, Goons tend to shoot people they DO like, for fun. All these people that you refer to as "pets", likely because you think they have no voice or something (idk, really). They are all friends of Goons. They like Goons, and Goons like them. Goons don't abandon their friends, like certain alliances did with their "pets". If Raiden. or whoever decides to try and take a swipe at an ally, and that ally looks like they might not handle it, Goons will come and help out if asked. Not for any cost, or payment or anything. Just to help out a friend in need. So you can take your little "pets" business and turn around and go back to whatever corner of space that you call home and enjoy your little ideas on your own time. But no one has friends in EVE!!! Don't you know that you Goons are all sheep who mindlessly follow Mittens, and bully all us renter alliances into posting exactly what you tell us to post?
(I'm still waiting for my rent bill after a year in the CFC, btw, amd I gonna have to pay interest?) |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:17:00 -
[61] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did. I've seen this argument used a dozen times by Goons and it doesn't fly with me. That's the thing - the leader of the EVE Uni wouldn't have called for people to encourage someone to commit suicide. He didn't call for people to encourage someone to commit suicide - Mittens did. You can get into all these hypotheticals until the sun turns black and it won't make a bit of difference - it was Mittens that did it, and it was Mittens that got punished for it. To be honest, I think he got off incredibly lightly for a man who was essentially implying that a living human being should be encouraged to end their own existence - a 30-day ban and forced resignation from one CSM is an incredibly lenient punishment when I personally know people who've been permabanned for less. Here's a hypothetical question for you - if the offending person had been a member of Raiden. or NCDot, or a large hi-sec alliance... no, wait! I've got the perfect example. What if it had been Jade Constantine? I don't think there's a single member of Goonswarm who likes Jade Constantine. Jade seems like an excellent person for this hypothetical. What if it had been Jade Constantine who had done what Mittens did? Would Goons be so quick to leap to Jade Constantine's defense if he'd violated the EULA in such a manner? Would the Goons be clamouring for him to be allowed to stand on the next CSM, or would they be calling for a permaban? Or would they just not care?
You heard it here first folks. Andreus Ixiris thinks Mittani should have been executed for doing something dumb. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
64
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
As it seems CCP are back on track this year with EVE and Dust 514.
I do not see a reason with the troubled CSM8 to continue any further this year. |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor Federal Consensus Outreach
895
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
HVAC Repairman wrote:So, you essentially agree with me? All I ever stated was that the majority of the people gunning after Mittens did it because they see him and GSF as internet spaceship satan.
Yes, but it's because you guys intentionally try to be internet spaceship Satan.
HVAC Repairman wrote:I never once argued that Mittens didn't step over the line or that he should get off without some sort of punishment.
Then you're one of the few Goons I've seen so far who thinks that way.
HVAC Repairman wrote:As for Jade, I'm so glad you put words in my mouth of what I would or would not do.
Maybe you wouldn't, but a lot of Goons would - sincerely or not - and implying that they wouldn't is laughable.
HVAC Repairman wrote:Personally I have no issues with him, and on occasion do get a laugh at how well he sometimes baits people. I can't say for certain what I would or would not do, but I wouldn't use a highsec ice miner as an excuse to go after him. I have no doubt that there would be some people gunning for Jade, but you certainly wouldn't have seen it in the numbers of people who went after Mittens nor would you see a majority of the same people attacking Mittens attacking Jade, which is the only point I'm really trying to make.
You're probably right, but the thing is, as I've been saying again and again, Mittens, GSF and the greater CFC have set themselves up as figures of hate. Jade Constantine certainly is hated by a lot of people, but Jade doesn't really aim to get as many people as he possibly can angry at him - for him, it's a simple matter of not really caring. The abysmal way Goons act towards others (though I'm not precisely complaining about that, per se - I'm just remarking) tends to make others ill-disposed towards you, and thus it's to be expected that any excuse to hurt you can and will be taken up by them. Mane 614
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:You heard it here first folks. Andreus Ixiris thinks Mittani should have been executed for doing something dumb.
Well yes.... but not until you said it.
What's your point? |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
19
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Posted - 2012.05.19 20:33:00 -
[65] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:The abysmal way Goons act towards others Just to throw it in there, Goons were hated on from day 1 of them coming to EVE, so their behavior to people who are not their friends is a result of the obvious us vs them attitude that was forced on them in the antiquity of EVE.
You have to realize this to even begin to understand Goons, and its very hard to see from the outside of the CFC. |
Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
123
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Posted - 2012.05.19 21:08:00 -
[66] - Quote
Working as intended.
Cry moar.
Etc. etc.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.05.19 21:18:00 -
[67] - Quote
Dawn Flare wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:The abysmal way Goons act towards others Just to throw it in there, Goons were hated on from day 1 of them coming to EVE, so their behavior to people who are not their friends is a result of the obvious us vs them attitude that was forced on them in the antiquity of EVE.
That's not the way I recall things.
Being complete a$$hats has been the focus of the Goon public persona from day one, it's not something the cruel world forced on them it's the way they chose to portray themselves.
Whether or not it's real is immaterial, it's the way they want to be seen.
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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
268
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Posted - 2012.05.19 21:20:00 -
[68] - Quote
Goons are literally just people playing a game. They "get it". The fact that people get foaming-at-the-mouth worked up about them is hilarious. +1 in local |
Shian Yang
169
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:09:00 -
[69] - Quote
Prince Kobol wrote:I completely disagree.
I believe that Issler should stay on the CSM as she provides great comedy value.
Yes she is possibly the worst ever CSM Member, yes she has no clue what so ever, yes she continuously makes a complete and utter fool out herself, yes she continues to show a total lack of understanding about game mechanics.
For all the reason I have mentioned above she must remain on the CSM as an example of when people vote for somebody just because they do not like somebody else, instead of putting there personal feeling aside and voting for those who actually stand for something and have the ability to make things happen.
Issler is an example of the very worst person that can be elected on the CSM and should be used for years to come what can happen when people let there person issues get in the way of making a educated decision,
Long live the worst CSM Member in the history of Eve
Greetings capsuleer,
I agree with you. But I also, as a citizen of the Minmatar Republic, feel that the Council has value if it acts with integrity. Having a person on the CSM like Issler brings the whole concept into disrepute. It started with the whole gaming of the Mittani incident for support, the refusal to work and coordinate with the rest of the CSM on what was a pivotal moment in the history of New Eden and the general attitude towards voters, the noble office of the CSM and New Eden as a whole.
To face a year with such a person on the Council. I shudder to think what harm it is doing to an already struggling Council.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
FeralShadow
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
119
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:13:00 -
[70] - Quote
OP is a moron. "I do believe in karma. -áThat means that whenever I do something sh**y to others, they somehow deserved it." |
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Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:13:00 -
[71] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:Goons are literally just people playing a game. They "get it". The fact that people get foaming-at-the-mouth worked up about them is hilarious. you mean that these guys are serious? **** ive been doing it all wrong. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:33:00 -
[72] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Dawn Flare wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:The abysmal way Goons act towards others Just to throw it in there, Goons were hated on from day 1 of them coming to EVE, so their behavior to people who are not their friends is a result of the obvious us vs them attitude that was forced on them in the antiquity of EVE. That's not the way I recall things. Being complete a$$hats has been the focus of the Goon public persona from day one, it's not something the cruel world forced on them it's the way they chose to portray themselves. Whether or not it's real is immaterial, it's the way they want to be seen.
How involved have you been with Goons when they first started, Mister "I've been in the name NPC corp for my entire 8 years"? |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
ive been here all summer yo |
Nick Bete
The Scope Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2012.05.19 22:59:00 -
[74] - Quote
FeralShadow wrote:OP is a moron.
This pretty much says all that needs to be said.
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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
385
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:02:00 -
[75] - Quote
Copine Callmeknau wrote: [snippy-snippy] Her posts make me want to /wrists
Heh.
I see what you did there! In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
385
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:05:00 -
[76] - Quote
White Tree wrote:More like Issler Dunce.
Oh look, the has-been pitifully trying to keep itself relevant. Again.
Accept your fading into obscurity with grace, please, kthxbai.
In irae, veritas. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:09:00 -
[77] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:you do know that the mittani supported the jita protest and told people to unsub so that ccp would change... how is this different?
IIRC he stayed quiet about it eh |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:12:00 -
[78] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:MeBiatch wrote:you do know that the mittani supported the jita protest and told people to unsub so that ccp would change... how is this different? IIRC he stayed quiet about it
IIRC the Jita Protest was because CCP was getting dollar signs in their eyes over Incarna and Nex. Issler is calling for people to unsub to punish CCP because the mean Goonies and the mean PLs were mean to her Low-sec POS. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2008
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:53:00 -
[79] - Quote
Just Alter wrote:
This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, which is understandable. Please get your facts straight and do some research first before posting slanderous statements. There was only 1 player who actually was removed from the CSM back quite a few years ago for breaking the NDA.
CCP didn't remove The Mittani from CSM 6, he resigned and due to his breaking the TOS/EULA, he received a slap on the wrist from CCP in the form of a 30 day ban from the game. That basically forfeited and eliminated him being in CSM 7.
Posting a prejudiced and biased thread like this filled with false statements while naming and attacking a specific player should be grounds for this thread to be reported, removed and a warning issued. 2nd offense would be a 2 week forum ban and if continued, the IP address of the account would be permanently banned. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.05.19 23:57:00 -
[80] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just Alter wrote:
This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, which is understandable. Please get your facts straight and do some research first before posting slanderous statements. There was only 1 player who actually was removed from the CSM back quite a few years ago for breaking the NDA. CCP didn't remove The Mittani from CSM 6, he resigned and due to his breaking the TOS/EULA, he received a slap on the wrist from CCP in the form of a 30 day ban from the game. That basically forfeited and eliminated him being in CSM 7. Posting a prejudiced and biased thread like this filled with false statements while naming and attacking a specific player should be grounds for this thread to be reported, removed and a warning issued. 2nd offense would be a 2 week forum ban and if continued, the IP address of the account would be permanently banned.
So would you agree that Issler should be removed from CSM for attempting to sabotage CCP because a group of players destroyed her low-sec POS? |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2011
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:02:00 -
[81] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just Alter wrote:
This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, which is understandable. Please get your facts straight and do some research first before posting slanderous statements. There was only 1 player who actually was removed from the CSM back quite a few years ago for breaking the NDA. CCP didn't remove The Mittani from CSM 6, he resigned and due to his breaking the TOS/EULA, he received a slap on the wrist from CCP in the form of a 30 day ban from the game. That basically forfeited and eliminated him being in CSM 7. Posting a prejudiced and biased thread like this filled with false statements while naming and attacking a specific player should be grounds for this thread to be reported, removed and a warning issued. 2nd offense would be a 2 week forum ban and if continued, the IP address of the account would be permanently banned. So would you agree that Issler should be removed from CSM for attempting to sabotage CCP because a group of players destroyed her low-sec POS?
No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game.
However, what I do see is various members of a large Alliance doing a smear campaign due to being scared they will eventually lose control of the CSM, severely negating their ability to indirectly control this game.
I have seen on numerous occasions your Alliance and it's infamous leader post statements of their intention to ruin all others game play, basically causing players to rage quit. That indirectly sabotages CCP's ability to make money and gain subscriptions, which will ultimately result in breaking this game.
As for the CSM, I think all members should only be allowed to serve on the CSM for a maxium of 2 consecetive years and then be eligible again after 2 years off.
DMC
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Generals4
Caldari State
731
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:06:00 -
[82] - Quote
Just Alter wrote: This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
TEST tears are best tears?
Aren't you actually acting like those "pubies" TEST and Goons love to hate right now?
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:30:00 -
[83] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Malphilos wrote:Dawn Flare wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:The abysmal way Goons act towards others Just to throw it in there, Goons were hated on from day 1 of them coming to EVE, so their behavior to people who are not their friends is a result of the obvious us vs them attitude that was forced on them in the antiquity of EVE. That's not the way I recall things. Being complete a$$hats has been the focus of the Goon public persona from day one, it's not something the cruel world forced on them it's the way they chose to portray themselves. Whether or not it's real is immaterial, it's the way they want to be seen. How involved have you been with Goons when they first started, Mister "I've been in the name NPC corp for my entire 8 years"?
Didn't need to be involved with them at all to see the way they chose to portray themselves, and continue to portray themselves. If it's not the way they want to look, they're even more terrible than they claim.
Did you know you get three character slots with each account? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3852
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:31:00 -
[84] - Quote
God just shut up, all of you. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Just Alter wrote:
This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, which is understandable. Please get your facts straight and do some research first before posting slanderous statements. There was only 1 player who actually was removed from the CSM back quite a few years ago for breaking the NDA. CCP didn't remove The Mittani from CSM 6, he resigned and due to his breaking the TOS/EULA, he received a slap on the wrist from CCP in the form of a 30 day ban from the game. That basically forfeited and eliminated him being in CSM 7. Posting a prejudiced and biased thread like this filled with false statements while naming and attacking a specific player should be grounds for this thread to be reported, removed and a warning issued. 2nd offense would be a 2 week forum ban and if continued, the IP address of the account would be permanently banned. So would you agree that Issler should be removed from CSM for attempting to sabotage CCP because a group of players destroyed her low-sec POS? No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game. However, what I do see is various members of a large Alliance doing a smear campaign due to being scared they will eventually lose control of the CSM, severely negating their ability to indirectly control this game. I have seen on numerous occasions your Alliance and it's infamous leader post statements of their intention to ruin all others game play, basically causing players to rage quit. That indirectly sabotages CCP's ability to make money and gain subscriptions, which will ultimately result in breaking this game. As for the CSM, I think all members should only be allowed to serve on the CSM for a maxium of 2 consecetive years and then be eligible again after 2 years off. DMC
So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS:
Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
102
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Jokes aside, Issler is becoming quite a disruptive member of a system that requires cohesion for any form of proper and successful representation of the playerbase. |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
34
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Posted - 2012.05.20 01:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
Generals4 wrote:Just Alter wrote: This is unacceptable.
How can a person be so vile?
CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear.
TEST tears are best tears? Aren't you actually acting like those "pubies" TEST and Goons love to hate right now?
Thing is, they suck at it, I'm pretty sure no one cares about this |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
805
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:11:00 -
[88] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? Dreads in lowsec shooting POSes shouldn't be allowed I guess o_O Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
13
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 02:22:00 -
[89] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? Dreads in lowsec shooting POSes shouldn't be allowed I guess o_O Remove all jump drives, I guess. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2068
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:27:00 -
[90] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS?
No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub.
I said join together. You made up what I wanted us to do once we did join together.
Two threads of nonsense. You know there is a dead thread in Jita Park with the same kind of nonsense. It went no where as well.
Get over yourself, I'm not going anywhere.
Issler |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:31:00 -
[91] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub. I said join together. You made up what I wanted us to do once we did join together. Two threads of nonsense. You know there is a dead thread in Jita Park with the same kind of nonsense. It went no where as well. Get over yourself, I'm not going anywhere. Issler
But see, that summer when Incarna flopped, everyone joined together to unsub, then shoot the Jita monument until their game time ran out. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.05.20 02:31:00 -
[92] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub. I said join together. You made up what I wanted us to do once we did join together. Two threads of nonsense. You know there is a dead thread in Jita Park with the same kind of nonsense. It went no where as well. Get over yourself, I'm not going anywhere. Issler
By all means, rally your support base and come show us who's boss. |
Ustrello
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
53
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:18:00 -
[93] - Quote
I for one, welcome our soon to be miner overlords |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
760
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:44:00 -
[94] - Quote
I say we keep her. We need another Ankh... |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:48:00 -
[95] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub. I said join together. You made up what I wanted us to do once we did join together. Two threads of nonsense. You know there is a dead thread in Jita Park with the same kind of nonsense. It went no where as well. Get over yourself, I'm not going anywhere. Issler Join together and ask for / do what? PVP flags? Full throttle on the wis?
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1551
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:49:00 -
[96] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a firstGǪ It wasn't a first. IIRC, he was the third CSM to be kicked out of office.
Spoon Throwers UNITE! Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:54:00 -
[97] - Quote
oh only now you ask to band together after your alliance pos-es gets popped now shizz is real |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
808
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Posted - 2012.05.20 03:59:00 -
[98] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh only now you ask to band together after your alliance pos-es gets popped now shizz is real Oh now it's real, when there's Extra Large guns knocking on your POS. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.05.20 04:48:00 -
[99] - Quote
I agree but cause she thinks in game actions = out of game person http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
465
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Posted - 2012.05.20 08:21:00 -
[100] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:So this quote right here, from the alliance mail sent by Issler after PL dropped dreads on her low-sec POS: Quote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Doesn't mean she wants people to unsub, thereby injuring CCP? And she didn't say these comments because PL dropped Dreads on her Low-sec POS? No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub.
The context you stated it in suggest otherwise. I have quoted it below. EVE is beyond broken and CCP is destroying YOUR game by supporting goons and Hulkageddon. That is what you said. And you called for action similar to the summer rage.
That is not supporting the game CCP has developed over a decade and it is not supporting the players that enjoy EVE online.
Issler Dainze wrote:IBasically Eve is beyond broken.CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. |
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Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
544
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Posted - 2012.05.20 10:48:00 -
[101] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh only now you ask to band together after your alliance pos-es gets popped now shizz is real
It seems to be the current trend, only poke your head up above the sand dune when it suits you and call for others to rally to your flag after having your head stuck in the sandbox and not giving a flying rat's ass until it happens to you.
Maybe Issler does represent some of the high sec demographic in this regard very well, but I don't feel she represents a lot of high sec players, she's actually doing most of them a terrible disservice.
WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Dawn Flare
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
25
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Posted - 2012.05.20 11:30:00 -
[102] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a firstGǪ It wasn't a first. IIRC, he was the third CSM to be kicked out of office. Spoon Throwers UNITE! So, Ankh was the Queen of Spoon, what does that make Issler?
Princess of Sporks? |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
547
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Posted - 2012.05.20 14:22:00 -
[103] - Quote
Dawn Flare wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Tippia wrote:Pok Nibin wrote:Removing a CSM isn't a precedent. Mitt's departure may have been a firstGǪ It wasn't a first. IIRC, he was the third CSM to be kicked out of office. Spoon Throwers UNITE! So, Ankh was the Queen of Spoon, what does that make Issler? Princess of Sporks?
Bibmeister WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Gabriel Kaile
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.05.20 15:54:00 -
[104] - Quote
I'm gay. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
218
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:02:00 -
[105] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:HVAC Repairman wrote:The argument that a certain segment of the player base was using was that the only reason people were throwing a tantrum was because it was the Mittani who did it, not because of what he did. If the leader of EVE Uni had been on the CSM and did the exact same thing, it would have never been an issue. The vast majority of the people who were calling for the Mittani to step down/get banned did not give a **** about the player who was mocked and only used it as a political excuse to go after him. Which to me, is every bit as bad as what Mittens did. I've seen this argument used a dozen times by Goons and it doesn't fly with me. That's the thing - the leader of the EVE Uni wouldn't have called for people to encourage someone to commit suicide. He didn't call for people to encourage someone to commit suicide - Mittens did. You can get into all these hypotheticals until the sun turns black and it won't make a bit of difference - it was Mittens that did it, and it was Mittens that got punished for it. To be honest, I think he got off incredibly lightly for a man who was essentially implying that a living human being should be encouraged to end their own existence - a 30-day ban and forced resignation from one CSM is an incredibly lenient punishment when I personally know people who've been permabanned for less. Here's a hypothetical question for you - if the offending person had been a member of Raiden. or NCDot, or a large hi-sec alliance... no, wait! I've got the perfect example. What if it had been Jade Constantine? I don't think there's a single member of Goonswarm who likes Jade Constantine. Jade seems like an excellent person for this hypothetical. What if it had been Jade Constantine who had done what Mittens did? Would Goons be so quick to leap to Jade Constantine's defense if he'd violated the EULA in such a manner? Would the Goons be clamouring for him to be allowed to stand on the next CSM, or would they be calling for a permaban? Or would they just not care? I'm going to make a request of you, and its going to be probably more than you can handle, but you're going to have to deal with it. Fair is fair for your line of argument. Please quote the part of the EULA that he violated. Thanks in advance. |
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol Bittervet Mercenaries
99
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:04:00 -
[106] - Quote
Andreus Ixiris wrote:But wasn't the whole CFC argument before that Mittani shouldn't be removed from the CSM, despite violating the EULA?
What has Issler done? Has s/he violated the EULA or any other CCP-sanctioned terms of service? Or is s/he simply saying something you don't agree with?
This |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:30:00 -
[107] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:
No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub.
However, the only way CCP will CARE to change the game is by the measure of how many ppl DO leave. This summer is a good example
CCP didnt want those 20% employees and WiS anyways
David Cedarbridge wrote: I'm going to make a request of you, and its going to be probably more than you can handle, but you're going to have to deal with it. Fair is fair for your line of argument. Please quote the part of the EULA that he violated. Thanks in advance.
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:40:00 -
[108] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub.
However, the only way CCP will CARE to change the game is by the measure of how many ppl DO leave. This summer is a good example CCP didnt want those 20% employees and WiS anyways
What do you hope to accomplish with a mass unsub? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:43:00 -
[109] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote: Please quote the part of the EULA that he violated. Thanks in advance.
I really have no idea, but any reasonable person could infer that the provision against using " abusive, defamatory, ethnically or racially offensive, harassing, harmful, hateful, obscene, offensive, sexually explicit, threatening or vulgar language" combined with CCPs reservation of "the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary." probably covers things pretty well.
Did you have something else in mind? |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:46:00 -
[110] - Quote
David Cedarbridge wrote:I'm going to make a request of you, and its going to be probably more than you can handle, but you're going to have to deal with it. Fair is fair for your line of argument. Please quote the part of the EULA that he violated. Thanks in advance.
Why is anyone still arguing about this? What's done is done, all we can do now is move on and try to have Issler removed from the CSM for sabotaging CCP. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:47:00 -
[111] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Why is anyone still arguing about this? What's done is done, all we can do now is move on and try to have Issler removed from the CSM for sabotaging CCP. Not the lowsec industrialists' friend ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:48:00 -
[112] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:... all we can do now is move on and try to have Issler removed from the CSM for sabotaging CCP.
True.
Of course it would help if that had actually happened.
Oh well. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:50:00 -
[113] - Quote
Serge Bastana wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:oh only now you ask to band together after your alliance pos-es gets popped now shizz is real It seems to be the current trend, only poke your head up above the sand dune when it suits you and call for others to rally to your flag after having your head stuck in the sandbox and not giving a flying rat's ass until it happens to you. Maybe Issler does represent some of the high sec demographic in this regard very well, but I don't feel she represents a lot of high sec players, she's actually doing most of them a terrible disservice. Well, some do nothing until ganked then whine of the forums?
As for the ~silent majority~ they were supposed to be supporting Issler right? I mean they're really quiet, but Issler said so, so I can't argue with that. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:51:00 -
[114] - Quote
Malphilos wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:... all we can do now is move on and try to have Issler removed from the CSM for sabotaging CCP. True. Of course it would help if that had actually happened. Oh well.
This part right here:
Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.
Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:55:00 -
[115] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? Because many people will join the game after all the goons and capital fleet mercs in lowsec have been banned. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Selinate
874
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:56:00 -
[116] - Quote
posting in a goons and TEST are still butthurt thread. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:56:00 -
[117] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? Because many people will join the game after all the goons and capital fleet mercs in lowsec have been banned.
But is that what she is trying to effect with this push for a mass unsub? A ban of a very large group of players who are playing entirely within the game rules? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
874
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:57:00 -
[118] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Malphilos wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:... all we can do now is move on and try to have Issler removed from the CSM for sabotaging CCP. True. Of course it would help if that had actually happened. Oh well. This part right here: Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income?
She doesn't say how the players should come together. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:57:00 -
[119] - Quote
Selinate wrote:posting in a goons and TEST are still butthurt thread.
You will find out how butthurt we've been at the CSM election announcement at next years Fanfest. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
874
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:58:00 -
[120] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:posting in a goons and TEST are still butthurt thread. You will find out how butthurt we've been at the CSM election announcement at next years Fanfest.
I don't need too, this thread is a testament to how butthurt you are now. |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:59:00 -
[121] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:This part right here: Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? She doesn't say how the players should come together.
Uh, yes she does.
Issler Dainze wrote:players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions
I'm pretty sure that players joined together to mass unsub. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 18:59:00 -
[122] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? Because many people will join the game after all the goons and capital fleet mercs in lowsec have been banned. But is that what she is trying to effect with this push for a mass unsub? A ban of a very large group of players who are playing entirely within the game rules? They're not playing the way she and the ~silent majority~ (always hard to hear those guys) want, isn't that enough?
A bunch of people unsub, then a bunch of people get banned, it's a winning combination. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Selinate
874
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:00:00 -
[123] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:This part right here: Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? She doesn't say how the players should come together. Uh, yes she does. Issler Dainze wrote:players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I'm pretty sure that players joined together to mass unsub.
It speaks of players coming together, not how. |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp Unified Church of the Unobligated
553
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:02:00 -
[124] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Is where she encourages her alliance to unsub en masse to protest Goons and PL attacking her vulnerable low-sec POS. Tell me how this isn't Issler conspiring to sabotage CCPs income? Because many people will join the game after all the goons and capital fleet mercs in lowsec have been banned. But is that what she is trying to effect with this push for a mass unsub? A ban of a very large group of players who are playing entirely within the game rules? They're not playing the way she and the ~silent majority~ (always hard to hear those guys) want, isn't that enough? A bunch of people unsub, then a bunch of people get banned, it's a winning combination.
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they? WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place... |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:
She doesn't say how the players should come together.
Uh, yes she does. Issler Dainze wrote:players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I'm pretty sure that players joined together to mass unsub.
It speaks of players coming together, not how.[/quote]
Issler Dainze wrote:like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
874
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:03:00 -
[126] - Quote
Serge Bastana wrote:
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they?
Only as long as the big picture includes a big butt that is hurt. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:03:00 -
[127] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:
She doesn't say how the players should come together.
Uh, yes she does. Issler Dainze wrote:players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I'm pretty sure that players joined together to mass unsub. It speaks of players coming together, not how. Issler Dainze wrote:like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions It's pointless.
Next they'll say that Issler actually meant only shooting a statue in Jita. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Selinate
874
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:04:00 -
[128] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:
She doesn't say how the players should come together.
Uh, yes she does. Issler Dainze wrote:players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I'm pretty sure that players joined together to mass unsub. It speaks of players coming together, not how.
Issler Dainze wrote:like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions [/quote]
Trying to infer something that isn't there. Nice try. Your butthurt. It shows. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
25
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:05:00 -
[129] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they?
Only as long as the big picture includes a big butt that is hurt.
I'm active enough that my butt doesn't get hurt.
~Cavernous Depths~ Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
877
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:06:00 -
[130] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote: Next they'll say that Issler actually meant only shooting a statue in Jita.
Maybe. Or maybe Issler simply meant for the players to act in some vague unified way against the goons and such. Could be either, both are plausible, however jumping to "SHE TOLD EVERYONE TO UNSUB" is.... well.... very butthurt-seeming. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:06:00 -
[131] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they?
Only as long as the big picture includes a big butt that is hurt. I'm active enough that my butt doesn't get hurt. ~Cavernous Depths~ Butte tanking ~~ ELITE certificate. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Selinate
877
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:06:00 -
[132] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they?
Only as long as the big picture includes a big butt that is hurt. I'm active enough that my butt doesn't get hurt. ~Cavernous Depths~
You've posted in this thread enough to prove exactly what it is and how it hurts. It is your butt and it hurts. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:07:00 -
[133] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:
It speaks of players coming together, not how.
Issler Dainze wrote:like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions Trying to infer something that isn't there. Nice try. Your butthurt. It shows.
I don't really see how that is inferring anything. The intent is right there. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
877
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:08:00 -
[134] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:
It speaks of players coming together, not how.
Issler Dainze wrote:like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions Trying to infer something that isn't there. Nice try. Your butthurt. It shows. I don't really see how that is inferring anything. The intent is right there.
You're reading an intent for Issler to unite high sec players, you are inferring an intent to get people to unsub over the problems. Intent is there. Intent to get people to unsub is not. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:08:00 -
[135] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:Serge Bastana wrote:
Sounds really good for the game, just how a CSM member should be thinking. Ah, the proponents of the Butthurt AgendaGäó always have the big picture in mind don't they?
Only as long as the big picture includes a big butt that is hurt. I'm active enough that my butt doesn't get hurt. ~Cavernous Depths~ You've posted in this thread enough to prove exactly what it is and how it hurts. It is your butt and it hurts.
I have the Elite Butt Tanking Certificate. Others may be butthurting, but I certainly am not.
Everyone is crying tears over everyone else's tears. Are there no original tears anymore? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
877
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:09:00 -
[136] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:
I have the Elite Butt Tanking Certificate. Others may be butthurting, but I certainly am not.
Everyone is crying tears over everyone else's tears. Are there no original tears anymore?
goon tears best tears. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:09:00 -
[137] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:I have the Elite Butt Tanking Certificate. Others may be butthurting, but I certainly am not.
Everyone is crying tears over everyone else's tears. Are there no original tears anymore? Your fishing for tears is unsuccessful Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:10:00 -
[138] - Quote
Selinate wrote:
You're reading an intent for Issler to unite high sec players, you are inferring an intent to get people to unsub over the problems. Intent is there. Intent to get people to unsub is not.
Well, I'm sorry (no I'm not), you're wrong. Very very wrong. The words are there plain as day. If she didn't mean for people to join together like they did after Incarna (which the actions they used were to unsub), then why did she say it? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:11:00 -
[139] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:I have the Elite Butt Tanking Certificate. Others may be butthurting, but I certainly am not.
Everyone is crying tears over everyone else's tears. Are there no original tears anymore? Your fishing for tears is unsuccessful
Do I need to get my tear fishing skill up to 450, and also have a +150 skill lure on my tear fishing pole before I can successfully fish for tears? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
877
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:12:00 -
[140] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:
You're reading an intent for Issler to unite high sec players, you are inferring an intent to get people to unsub over the problems. Intent is there. Intent to get people to unsub is not.
Well, I'm sorry (no I'm not), you're wrong. Very very wrong. The words are there plain as day. If she didn't mean for people to join together like they did after Incarna (which the actions they used were to unsub), then why did she say it?
She said that she wanted to bring the players together in a unified force. She did not say what she wanted that unified force to do. It is simply not there. She said it because she does not like you and your friends, apparently. |
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Selinate
887
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:13:00 -
[141] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:I have the Elite Butt Tanking Certificate. Others may be butthurting, but I certainly am not.
Everyone is crying tears over everyone else's tears. Are there no original tears anymore? Your fishing for tears is unsuccessful Do I need to get my tear fishing skill up to 450, and also have a +150 skill lure on my tear fishing pole before I can successfully fish for tears?
No, but you do need to spam in a thread endlessly about something your inferring and how you want that person kicked off the CSM for what you inferred that person was saying since you're still butthurt that your fearless leader got booted off not too long ago. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:14:00 -
[142] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Selinate wrote:
You're reading an intent for Issler to unite high sec players, you are inferring an intent to get people to unsub over the problems. Intent is there. Intent to get people to unsub is not.
Well, I'm sorry (no I'm not), you're wrong. Very very wrong. The words are there plain as day. If she didn't mean for people to join together like they did after Incarna (which the actions they used were to unsub), then why did she say it? She said that she wanted to bring the players together in a unified force. She did not say what she wanted that unified force to do. It is simply not there. She said it because she does not like you and your friends, apparently.
If she didn't intend for a mass unsub, then why did she use the mass unsub after Incarna as an example?
By the way, it wasn't just high-sec dwellers that were mad after incarna, it was everyone.
The only real tears in this thread were quoted in the alliance mail quoted in the OP. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
887
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:16:00 -
[143] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:
If she didn't intend for a mass unsub, then why did she use the mass unsub after Incarna as an example?
The players came together in more way than simply unsubbing after incarna. She didn't use the unsub itself as an example.
Quote: By the way, it wasn't just high-sec dwellers that were mad after incarna, it was everyone.
Irrelevant. She wants to unify players against goons.
Quote: The only real tears in this thread were quoted in the alliance mail quoted in the OP.
Well apparently you're still crying about it enough to post this much. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1558
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:17:00 -
[144] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities?
Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct.
EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:19:00 -
[145] - Quote
Selinate wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:
If she didn't intend for a mass unsub, then why did she use the mass unsub after Incarna as an example?
The players came together in more way than simply unsubbing after incarna. She didn't use the unsub itself as an example. Quote: By the way, it wasn't just high-sec dwellers that were mad after incarna, it was everyone.
Irrelevant. She wants to unify players against goons. Quote: The only real tears in this thread were quoted in the alliance mail quoted in the OP.
Well apparently you're still crying about it enough to post this much.
So posting automatically means I'm shedding tears?
If she wants to unify the players against the goons then i wish her luck, but considering the fact that corps are leaving her alliance like rats from a sinking ship, I think she's going to have a hard time organizing that.
And as for her platform for getting elected to the CSM, I wish her luck in effecting that change when she turned her back on her colleagues. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
26
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:19:00 -
[146] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine.
Well hey, look at that. That EULA quote sure is something isn't it? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Selinate
887
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:20:00 -
[147] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:
So posting automatically means I'm shedding tears?
If she wants to unify the players against the goons then i wish her luck, but considering the fact that corps are leaving her alliance like rats from a sinking ship, I think she's going to have a hard time organizing that.
And as for her platform for getting elected to the CSM, I wish her luck in effecting that change when she turned her back on her colleagues.
Posting in a whiny manner means you're shedding tears. Just like you and your cohorts are doing in this thread.
I don't particularly care whether or not she gets back on the CSM, whether she succeeds, or what have you. But the butthurt is present in this thread. This is what I care about. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:20:00 -
[148] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. Oh ho, speaking of it having to be in game ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:21:00 -
[149] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:If she wants to unify the players against the goons then i wish her luck, but considering the fact that corps are leaving her alliance like rats from a sinking ship, I think she's going to have a hard time organizing that.
And as for her platform for getting elected to the CSM, I wish her luck in effecting that change when she turned her back on her colleagues. Luv2FailCascade.
It means we're winning via the NPC Corp method Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Sepherina Neuburg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:30:00 -
[150] - Quote
If the Goons didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent them.
Not so sure the same could be said for this thread. |
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1031
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:32:00 -
[151] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:If she wants to unify the players against the goons then i wish her luck, but considering the fact that corps are leaving her alliance like rats from a sinking ship, I think she's going to have a hard time organizing that.
And as for her platform for getting elected to the CSM, I wish her luck in effecting that change when she turned her back on her colleagues. How did she get elected to the CSM, anyway?
I've seen her post on the forums a little, and she just doesn't seem to understand Eve at all. I didn't really pay attention to the CSM either, so I missed the part where she somehow won a seat.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:37:00 -
[152] - Quote
Sepherina Neuburg wrote:If the Goons didn't exist, it would be necessary to invent them.
Not so sure the same could be said for this thread. We'd certainly need to invent an entire group of player representatives to "littlerally" attack someone so they know just how bad the whole playerbase hates their inane ideas.
Oh wait ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:38:00 -
[153] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:How did she get elected to the CSM, anyway?
I've seen her post on the forums a little, and she just doesn't seem to understand Eve at all. I didn't really pay attention to the CSM either, so I missed the part where she somehow won a seat. On the backs of the working class, the silent highsec miner. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
218
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:43:00 -
[154] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. Well hey, look at that. That EULA quote sure is something isn't it? Damn, would you look at that. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:50:00 -
[155] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:If she wants to unify the players against the goons then i wish her luck, but considering the fact that corps are leaving her alliance like rats from a sinking ship, I think she's going to have a hard time organizing that.
And as for her platform for getting elected to the CSM, I wish her luck in effecting that change when she turned her back on her colleagues. How did she get elected to the CSM, anyway? I've seen her post on the forums a little, and she just doesn't seem to understand Eve at all. I didn't really pay attention to the CSM either, so I missed the part where she somehow won a seat. she only barely edged out the unapologetic ****
theres not enough good candidates to fill 14 slots so the bottom few are filled with the detritus of eve |
Mersault
Blue Nine Industries
84
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:53:00 -
[156] - Quote
Issler, I play in High Sec atm and am not now nor will ever be a part of your 'we'
I strongly doubt I am unique in just *not giving a cr@p* about Hulkagedon, Iceagedon, Burn Jita, or where Level 4's end up.
Substitute 'we high sec players' for ' the disgruntled and down trodden who follow me' |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1031
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:55:00 -
[157] - Quote
EvilweaselSA wrote:she only barely edged out the unapologetic ****
theres not enough good candidates to fill 14 slots so the bottom few are filled with the detritus of eve Oh nice, I might give running for CSM a go next year then.
We get a free trip to Iceland, right?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 19:57:00 -
[158] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:she only barely edged out the unapologetic ****
theres not enough good candidates to fill 14 slots so the bottom few are filled with the detritus of eve Oh nice, I might give running for CSM a go next year then. We get a free trip to Iceland, right? Not if you're in the bottom few.
Being detritus doesn't prevent that getting a top seat though, is that's what you mean. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2018
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Posted - 2012.05.20 19:58:00 -
[159] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine.
CCP has stated that all players participating in any Official CCP Sanctioned Venue such as this game, these forums and FanFest are subject to and must abide by the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
|
Posted - 2012.05.20 20:03:00 -
[160] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. CCP has stated that all players participating in any Official CCP Sanctioned Venue such as this game, these forums and FanFest are subject to and must abide by the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS. Need a new EULA quote then Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:11:00 -
[161] - Quote
The Issler Dainzer Interdiction is coming. Heh. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1559
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:12:00 -
[162] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. CCP has stated that all players participating in any Official CCP Sanctioned Venue such as this game, these forums and FanFest are subject to and must abide by the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS.
I believe they said that AFTER this most recent Fanfest.
Cause there's been plenty of cursing in Official CCP Sanctioned Venues by Official CCP Devs in the past, and CCP considers cursing to be against the EULA when it's in game. There's also been plenty of drunken stupidity in Official CCP Sanctioned Venues in the past (every single FanFest).
The difference is that this time, CCP got bad press for it and they're past the point where any press is good press, so they needed to grab a goat to scape. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:16:00 -
[163] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:The Issler Dainzer Interdiction is coming. Oh.
How so? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Tinnin Sylph
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:28:00 -
[164] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:The Issler Dainzer Interdiction is coming. Oh. How so?
30.08.14 Heh. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1031
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:34:00 -
[165] - Quote
Tinnin Sylph wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Tinnin Sylph wrote:The Issler Dainzer Interdiction is coming. Oh. How so? 30.08.14 Can I come?
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Helena Russell Makanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:42:00 -
[166] - Quote
Just Alter wrote: CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Nice try but you are wrong in what you claim above...
1) Mittens wasn't removed from the CSM - he resigned. Kind of a big difference.
2) Even if they had removed him, it's not a precedent, others really have been removed in the past.
Please - even if trolling - try to get your facts right.
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:42:00 -
[167] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ask CCP
What was the reason for that 30 day ban? OH YEA breach of EULA lol
Keep trying
In what way is saying something in REAL LIFE, no matter how objectionable, a breach of a EULA that covers IN GAME speech and activities? Really, point to the part of the EULA that covers out of game conduct. EULA wrote: You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.
Emphasis mine. CCP has stated that all players participating in any Official CCP Sanctioned Venue such as this game, these forums and FanFest are subject to and must abide by the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS.
Can you quote the EULA on this? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1031
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:48:00 -
[168] - Quote
Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Just Alter wrote: CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Nice try but you are wrong in what you claim above... 1) Mittens wasn't removed from the CSM - he resigned. Kind of a big difference. 2) Even if they had removed him, it's not a precedent, others really have been removed in the past. Please - even if trolling - try to get your facts right. CCP did remove Mittens, after he stepped down from being the head of the CSM. They also IIRC banned him from running for the next CSM.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.20 20:59:00 -
[169] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Just Alter wrote: CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Nice try but you are wrong in what you claim above... 1) Mittens wasn't removed from the CSM - he resigned. Kind of a big difference. 2) Even if they had removed him, it's not a precedent, others really have been removed in the past. Please - even if trolling - try to get your facts right. CCP did remove Mittens, after he stepped down from being the head of the CSM. They also IIRC banned him from running for the next CSM.
Actually they specifically said that he COULD run for the next CSM, not that he is gonna. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
1031
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:14:00 -
[170] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Just Alter wrote: CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Nice try but you are wrong in what you claim above... 1) Mittens wasn't removed from the CSM - he resigned. Kind of a big difference. 2) Even if they had removed him, it's not a precedent, others really have been removed in the past. Please - even if trolling - try to get your facts right. CCP did remove Mittens, after he stepped down from being the head of the CSM. They also IIRC banned him from running for the next CSM. Actually they specifically said that he COULD run for the next CSM, not that he is gonna. Hehe, I knew they said something about the next CSM :D
Still, its a pity he's not going to run again. Even though I never really bothered reading all the CSM crap when the voting was going on I did vote for him, seemed like a pretty decent guy.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:20:00 -
[171] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Helena Russell Makanen wrote:Just Alter wrote: CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm.
In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm.
Nice try but you are wrong in what you claim above... 1) Mittens wasn't removed from the CSM - he resigned. Kind of a big difference. 2) Even if they had removed him, it's not a precedent, others really have been removed in the past. Please - even if trolling - try to get your facts right. CCP did remove Mittens, after he stepped down from being the head of the CSM. They also IIRC banned him from running for the next CSM. Actually they specifically said that he COULD run for the next CSM, not that he is gonna. Hehe, I knew they said something about the next CSM :D Still, its a pity he's not going to run again. Even though I never really bothered reading all the CSM crap when the voting was going on I did vote for him, seemed like a pretty decent guy.
Next year I imagine we will have plenty of Goon candidates to choose from. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:30:00 -
[172] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Next year I imagine we will have plenty of Goon candidates to choose from. Heh. Whatever shall I choose, I need Solo Drakban to tell me ~
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2012.05.20 21:32:00 -
[173] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:One can only hope that Ladie Harlot adds his/her unique balanced take on this anti - Issler thread.
Ladie Harlot was unfortunately permanently banned.
FREE LADIE HARLOT |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:06:00 -
[174] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
No, it means we high sec players need to join together and fight back against those that would ruin our game experience. Never asked anyone to unsub.
However, the only way CCP will CARE to change the game is by the measure of how many ppl DO leave. This summer is a good example CCP didnt want those 20% employees and WiS anyways What do you hope to accomplish with a mass unsub?
Just pointing out they see what we do not what we say
what would be acomplished? It would get CCP from under that problem. If ppl unsub for an anti PVP reason, I could see the goons doing it in pro PVP support and once it gets all settled nothing would happen lol http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
Commit Sudoku
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:13:00 -
[175] - Quote
without pvp and its associated drama eve is literally excel.exe and mirc.exe with a .gif of a spinning space ship wrapped around both. |
Josef Djugashvilis
193
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:13:00 -
[176] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:One can only hope that Ladie Harlot adds his/her unique balanced take on this anti - Issler thread. Ladie Harlot was unfortunately permanently banned. FREE LADIE HARLOT
I deeply regret the perma-ban of Ladie Harlot.
You want fries with that? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2026
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:28:00 -
[177] - Quote
Issler Danzig has not broken any rules or regulations of the EULA/TOS/NDA. This GSF / pet infested thread, as well as the couple of other infested threads, advocating for removal from CSM is nothing more than a hate smear campaign. The CFC members and their friends / alts constantly posting replies in these threads is a good example of meta gaming and shouting out any opposing viewpoints.
RubyPorto wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: CCP has stated that all players participating in any Official CCP Sanctioned Venue such as this game, these forums and FanFest are subject to and must abide by the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS.
I believe they said that AFTER this most recent Fanfest. Cause there's been plenty of cursing in Official CCP Sanctioned Venues by Official CCP Devs in the past, and CCP considers cursing to be against the EULA when it's in game. There's also been plenty of drunken stupidity in Official CCP Sanctioned Venues in the past (every single FanFest). The difference is that this time, CCP got bad press for it and they're past the point where any press is good press, so they needed to grab a goat to scape.
Cursing and Drunken Stupidity by CCP Devs? I haven't seen CCP Devs do that.
As for the Alliance Panel, CCP has in the past given them a lot of freedom allowing the Panel to be conducted in an informal manner resulting in cursing and drunken stupidity by some of the Panel members.
The difference this time is the actions of one member went way beyond that and basically made CCP subject to possible legal proceedings and yes, it was very bad press as well for CCP who is looking to expand and grow.
But hey, keep trying to portray that member as an innocent 'scape goat'..
GM Salmon wrote:As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player. It goes without saying that CCP deeply regrets this incident and will work towards reducing any possibility of this happening again in the future.
CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations.
Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service and wholly inappropriate use of the Alliance Panel. According to our existing policies, we have issued a 30 day ban from EVE Online to the panel speaker.
The policy of CCP is not to publicly discuss warnings and bans on an individual basis. This situation is entirely unique because the panel was displayed via CCPGÇÖs Fanfest video stream component, a platform analogous to our forums. As a result we have published this statement due to the special circumstances involved. However, our policy remains that we will not publicly discuss warnings and bans.
The panelist has subsequently posted a public apology as well as a private apology to the victim of his attack. He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review.
The Council of Stellar Management is a democratically elected council that represents the players of EVE Online. Although council members may represent the players in any manner they choose, being a council member does not permit actions or playstyles that violate our policies.
GM Salmon
VP of Customer Relationship Management
CCP Xhagen wrote:Q3, Real life actions should not equate to in game sanctions. Why did this happen?
A3, After much deliberation on the subject, CCP considers the Alliance Panel to be an official CCP forum, as it is hosted by CCP and broadcast in a similarly visible fashion to the EVE Online forums. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the TOS. Furthermore, the panelist, present on the panel in order to represent his in-game identity, advocated using in-game actions to achieve a real world outcome. Specifically he suggested that if anyone wanted to make another player kill themselves in real life, they should go in game and harass them to achieve that consequence. The totality of the situation including the official forum in which it was held and statements of the panelist during the Q&A, have since lead to in-game sanctions. However, it is important to note that this incidence does not necessarily create precedence for any other "real life" actions or statements triggering a ban.
Q4, Wait, so you DID vet the presentations? Meaning it was perfectly fine for him to make fun of a suicidal player?
A4, Although the contents of the Alliance Panel presentations and discussion topics are reviewed by CCP prior to the event itself, the TOS-breaking incident took place during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentation which was not mentioned in the submitted presentation. The submitted presentation slides (although distasteful) did not give the name of the player at any time, nor did they call for direct action against that player, and therefore passed muster. CCP have always allowed substantial leeway during the Alliance Panel and we look forward to ensuring that future events remain entertaining and engaging for the EVE community.
CCP Xhagen | Senior Researcher CSM Project Manager
Zhihatsu wrote:
Can you quote the EULA on this?
Read above.
Next time, how about you doing some research instead of being lazy?
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Shian Yang
176
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:38:00 -
[178] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game.
Greetings capsuleer Crimson,
Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.
If you recall events during the Summer of Rage, it resulted in a number of capsuleers leaving New Eden to force CCPs hand. I see capsuleer Dainze calling for players to join together as they did then. It may be benign, of course, and after the forum responses on this I see capsuleer Dainze clarifying that she never meant unsubscribing ... political backtracking, of course.
You can see examples of capsuleer Dainze and her high level of compatibility with the CSM here.
Be clear, I dislike this candidate for being a base politician at heart. I dislike the idea of a CSM that is fractured because of the actions of one individual. I would prefer a better candidate to handle matters relating to CONCORD patrolled areas, to the station environments and so forth. One without the controversy (See the number of threads) and without the disgusting, political behavior.
Opinions, of course.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1559
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:46:00 -
[179] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:One can only hope that Ladie Harlot adds his/her unique balanced take on this anti - Issler thread. Ladie Harlot was unfortunately permanently banned. FREE LADIE HARLOT
When did that silly Brit get banned? I miss him already. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Hanuman Li Tosh
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
0
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:50:00 -
[180] - Quote
Nick Bison wrote:Posting in another "I hate Issler" thread.
Issler must be doing it right to get all this hate.
The PCU speaks for itself, just like it did last year.
No-one left to lay off this time around. |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1559
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:53:00 -
[181] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Cursing and Drunken Stupidity by CCP Devs? I haven't seen CCP Devs do that.
Here's Cursing
As for debauchery, look at any blogs reporting on their trip to Fanfest.
Quote:As for the Alliance Panel, CCP has in the past given them a lot of freedom allowing the Panel to be conducted in an informal manner resulting in cursing and drunken stupidity by some of the Panel members. The difference this time is the actions of one member went way beyond that and basically made CCP subject to possible legal proceedings and yes, it was very bad press as well for CCP who is looking to expand and grow. But hey, keep trying to portray that member as an innocent 'scape goat'.. GM Salmon wrote:As some of you might have heard, one of the Alliance leaders speaking at the Alliance Panel during EVE Fanfest 2012 breached our EULA/TOS with some ill-advised remarks about a fellow EVE player. It goes without saying that CCP deeply regrets this incident and will work towards reducing any possibility of this happening again in the future.
CCP requested that all panel PowerPoint presentations and discussion topics be handed in beforehand for approval. Regrettably, the offending comments were made during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentations.
Following a thorough internal review CCP has decided to respond to this clear violation of our Terms of Service and wholly inappropriate use of the Alliance Panel. According to our existing policies, we have issued a 30 day ban from EVE Online to the panel speaker.
The policy of CCP is not to publicly discuss warnings and bans on an individual basis. This situation is entirely unique because the panel was displayed via CCPGÇÖs Fanfest video stream component, a platform analogous to our forums. As a result we have published this statement due to the special circumstances involved. However, our policy remains that we will not publicly discuss warnings and bans.
The panelist has subsequently posted a public apology as well as a private apology to the victim of his attack. He has also resigned from his position as Chairman of CSM 6 and has forfeited his right to serve on CSM 7. As per our policies, this candidate may be eligible to run at a later date subject to candidacy review.
The Council of Stellar Management is a democratically elected council that represents the players of EVE Online. Although council members may represent the players in any manner they choose, being a council member does not permit actions or playstyles that violate our policies.
GM Salmon
VP of Customer Relationship Management
CCP Xhagen wrote:Q3, Real life actions should not equate to in game sanctions. Why did this happen?
A3, After much deliberation on the subject, CCP considers the Alliance Panel to be an official CCP forum, as it is hosted by CCP and broadcast in a similarly visible fashion to the EVE Online forums. As such, it falls under the jurisdiction of the TOS. Furthermore, the panelist, present on the panel in order to represent his in-game identity, advocated using in-game actions to achieve a real world outcome. Specifically he suggested that if anyone wanted to make another player kill themselves in real life, they should go in game and harass them to achieve that consequence. The totality of the situation including the official forum in which it was held and statements of the panelist during the Q&A, have since lead to in-game sanctions. However, it is important to note that this incidence does not necessarily create precedence for any other "real life" actions or statements triggering a ban.
Q4, Wait, so you DID vet the presentations? Meaning it was perfectly fine for him to make fun of a suicidal player?
A4, Although the contents of the Alliance Panel presentations and discussion topics are reviewed by CCP prior to the event itself, the TOS-breaking incident took place during an unscripted Q&A session after the main presentation which was not mentioned in the submitted presentation. The submitted presentation slides (although distasteful) did not give the name of the player at any time, nor did they call for direct action against that player, and therefore passed muster. CCP have always allowed substantial leeway during the Alliance Panel and we look forward to ensuring that future events remain entertaining and engaging for the EVE community.
CCP Xhagen | Senior Researcher CSM Project Manager
Zhihatsu wrote:
Can you quote the EULA on this?
Read above. Next time, how about you doing some research instead of being lazy?
That would be a decision that they made after the event. Something happened, then AFTERWARDS, CCP said that it fell under the TOS. That bolded bit, where they deliberate and consider the Alliance Presentations an official channel, happened after the event that they claim breached the TOS of a piece of SOFTWARE.
They made a rule and enforced it on conduct that happened before the rule was made. Most civilized places don't do that because you can't knowingly break a rule that hasn't been made yet.
Finally, your quotes aren't from the EULA (a legal document written and hosted by CCP), they're from a Dev Blog. Good job knowing the difference.
EDIT: The Bold/Italics section is where they say that they made this rule for this event only. Which is an admission that they just wanted to be able to deflect the bad press by saying "We punished the mean person" without having to defend having an absurd rule on Out of Game Conduct in their software's TOS/EULA. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.20 22:54:00 -
[182] - Quote
I support Issler Dainze 100% if no other reason than the rivers from which goon/test tears are creating.
Carry on, working as intended! |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:01:00 -
[183] - Quote
Cosmic Fart wrote:I support Issler Dainze 100% if no other reason than the rivers from which goon/test tears are creating. Carry on, working as intended!
So if we declared war on Cosmic Gas Corporation, and then PL popped a couple of your posses, AND THEN had a spy post an alliance mail where you whined that you were "littleraly being attacked by the CSM", you would say that the group posting that mail on the forums was crying bitter, bitter tears? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
18
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:04:00 -
[184] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Cosmic Fart wrote:I support Issler Dainze 100% if no other reason than the rivers from which goon/test tears are creating. Carry on, working as intended! So if we declared war on Cosmic Gas Corporation, and then PL popped a couple of your posses, AND THEN had a spy post an alliance mail where you whined that you were "littleraly being attacked by the CSM", you would say that the group posting that mail on the forums was crying bitter, bitter tears?
of course not
I'd HTFU, afterall, isn't that the swarms typical response? |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:05:00 -
[185] - Quote
Cosmic Fart wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Cosmic Fart wrote:I support Issler Dainze 100% if no other reason than the rivers from which goon/test tears are creating. Carry on, working as intended! So if we declared war on Cosmic Gas Corporation, and then PL popped a couple of your posses, AND THEN had a spy post an alliance mail where you whined that you were "littleraly being attacked by the CSM", you would say that the group posting that mail on the forums was crying bitter, bitter tears? of course not I'd HTFU, afterall, isn't that the swarms typical response?
Yes it is, so how is doing the same thing to Issler "Goons crying bitter, bitter tears"? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1559
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:47:00 -
[186] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Cosmic Fart wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Cosmic Fart wrote:I support Issler Dainze 100% if no other reason than the rivers from which goon/test tears are creating. Carry on, working as intended! So if we declared war on Cosmic Gas Corporation, and then PL popped a couple of your posses, AND THEN had a spy post an alliance mail where you whined that you were "littleraly being attacked by the CSM", you would say that the group posting that mail on the forums was crying bitter, bitter tears? of course not I'd HTFU, afterall, isn't that the swarms typical response? Yes it is, so how is doing the same thing to Issler "Goons crying bitter, bitter tears"?
He wants to wash down his cubic lightyear of Ham with Goon Tears. Why do you insist on preventing this man from eating his food? Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:57:00 -
[187] - Quote
Luv2EVEOforums erryday.
This thread has the best in pubby content. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
45
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Posted - 2012.05.20 23:57:00 -
[188] - Quote
Damn, who's left to exit the woodwork? |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.21 00:01:00 -
[189] - Quote
Connaght Badasaz wrote:Damn, who's left to exit the woodwork?
DIII and his Brick Squad pro-posters still haven't posted in defense of Issler. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
814
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Posted - 2012.05.21 00:06:00 -
[190] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Connaght Badasaz wrote:Damn, who's left to exit the woodwork? DIII and his Brick Squad pro-posters still haven't posted in defense of Issler. Did that person who posted all the time in the Jita Park thread already post? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.05.21 00:11:00 -
[191] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Connaght Badasaz wrote:Damn, who's left to exit the woodwork? DIII and his Brick Squad pro-posters still haven't posted in defense of Issler. Did that person who posted all the time in the Jita Park thread already post?
Which one is that? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Lord Zim
675
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Posted - 2012.05.21 00:52:00 -
[192] - Quote
Selinate wrote:She doesn't say how the players should come together. Oh, really? Let's have a quick look at what Issler sent to her alliance, then
Issler Dainze wrote:To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives,so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM.Basically Eve is beyond broken.CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. Now, ask yourself the question, what did the players do during the summer over CCP's plans to exploit the players using microtransactions? They 1) Shot a statue outside jita 4-4 2) Complained loudly in gaming media 3) Unsubscribed en masse
Which of these 3 things was Issler telling her alliance to do, do you think?
Personally, the last line, "I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year" is pointing me towards alternative 3. |
Shian Yang
179
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:07:00 -
[193] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Personally, the last line, "I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year" is pointing me towards alternative 3.
Greetings Lord Zim,
I lean towards Option 3 as that is how I read the words of capsuleer Dainze, but It could realistically be any of them. Apart from the political nature of all these messages, I am more concerned about:
- so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM
- Eve is beyond broken
- CCP is actually totally support of goons and ganking
- The actually laugh about miner tears
Dainze is so far removed from New Eden it is not funny. This capsuleer, if she can move beyond petty politics, will be a danger to the free, open world we have in New Eden as her focus is so insular, so locked out of the scope of the entirety of New Eden that she will change our Universe forever if she gets anything done.
It frightens me that somebody so disconnected from New Eden has any say.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
815
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:11:00 -
[194] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:
- so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM
- Eve is beyond broken
- CCP is actually totally support of goons and ganking
- The actually laugh about miner tears
Dainze is so far removed from New Eden it is not funny. This capsuleer, if she can move beyond petty politics, will be a danger to the free, open world we have in New Eden as her focus is so insular, so locked out of the scope of the entirety of New Eden that she will change our Universe forever if she gets anything done. It frightens me that somebody so disconnected from New Eden has any say. Regards, Shian Yang You don't think people littlerally being attacked by the CSM is a problem?
Because I mean, how many of them lead around dreadnaught fleets ~~
I recall something very hilarious about highsec people discussing nullsec mechanics with CCP long long ago which lead to hilarious results. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:37:00 -
[195] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:[quote=Shian Yang]
I recall something very hilarious about highsec people discussing nullsec mechanics with CCP long long ago which lead to hilarious results.
I recall a CSM 6 member discussing the nerfing of WH space with some hilarious results. Not to exclude the fact that said person had little to no knowledge of WH mechanics.
Seems to me there is a lot of the pot calling the kettle black.... or is it the kettle calling the pot black?
Meh... who cares! |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.05.21 01:40:00 -
[196] - Quote
Cosmic Fart wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:[quote=Shian Yang]
I recall something very hilarious about highsec people discussing nullsec mechanics with CCP long long ago which lead to hilarious results. I recall a CSM 6 member discussing the nerfing of WH space with some hilarious results. Not to exclude the fact that said person had little to no knowledge of WH mechanics. Seems to me there is a lot of the pot calling the kettle black.... or is it the kettle calling the pot black? Meh... who cares!
Was it the removal of high-end ores from low-end Wormhole systems? Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2031
|
Posted - 2012.05.21 01:41:00 -
[197] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game. Greetings capsuleer Crimson, Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. If you recall events during the Summer of Rage, it resulted in a number of capsuleers leaving New Eden to force CCPs hand. I see capsuleer Dainze calling for players to join together as they did then. It may be benign, of course, and after the forum responses on this I see capsuleer Dainze clarifying that she never meant unsubscribing ... political backtracking, of course. You can see examples of capsuleer Dainze and her high level of compatibility with the CSM here. Be clear, I dislike this candidate for being a base politician at heart. I dislike the idea of a CSM that is fractured because of the actions of one individual. I would prefer a better candidate to handle matters relating to CONCORD patrolled areas, to the station environments and so forth. One without the controversy (See the number of threads) and without the disgusting, political behavior. Opinions, of course. Regards, Shian Yang
Capsuleer Yang,
I still stand by my statement in response to Capsuleer Zhihatsu, even though you conveniently left out the rest of it with your selective quoting which was :
DeMichael Crimson wrote:However, what I do see is various members of a large Alliance doing a smear campaign due to being scared they will eventually lose control of the CSM, severely negating their ability to indirectly control this game.
I have seen on numerous occasions your Alliance and it's infamous leader post statements of their intention to ruin all others game play, basically causing players to rage quit. That indirectly sabotages CCP's ability to make money and gain subscriptions, which will ultimately result in breaking this game.
I remember quite well the infamous Summer Of Rage and all of the numerous reasons and events that led up to the riots and players canceling their subscriptions. Sorry to disappoint you but it wasn't all due to the Incarna Expansion. During the life of Eve Online, there was a build up of various different issues (1000 Papercuts thread) constantly being neglected and ignored, CCP's failure to maintain a 'Commitment to Excellence', constantly delivering half finished, bugged content which usually resulted in breaking other working aspects of the game, CCP's Lack of Communication, etc. The list goes on and on. The Incarna Expansion and the events surrounding that time frame was simply the catalyst or in other words, the straw that broke the camel's back.
Also you are mistaken in thinking the un-subs 'forced' CCP's hand. What actually 'forced' their hand was a rather large loan payment being due during that period of time. That was probably the most deciding factor which prompted the company to restructure itself. Granted the mass rage posting of un-subs didn't help the situation but CCP definitely wouldn't have felt the effects of those un-subs til much later. However, due to all of the combined events constantly being advertised in the media at that time, CCP had a knee jerk reaction and changed it's direction.
As for your 'dislike' of Issler as a CSM member, that's your prerogative and quite frankly, has no bearing on the issue. That's like me saying for example, that I 'dislike' players who post overly polite smug self righteous hypocritical replies that start with 'Greetings'. Even if I did think that, it still has no bearing on the issue. The main issue that you and all the other members of CFC have for posting these threads filled with unfounded accusations and demands is that Issler isn't in-cahoots with your ultimate goal, which is to indirectly control this game through the CSM allowing all of the Null Security Powerblock Alliance members to greatly benefit at the expense of all other players who are not a member of their meta gaming click.
Bottom line: Issler was voted into the CSM by members of this community and has not, I repeat, has not broken any rules or regulations pertaining to the EULA/TOS/NDA. That in itself negates the validity of these threads and as such, they should all be locked and if started again, forum bans be issued to the players posting those threads.
Opinions, of course.
Regards,
DMC |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:47:00 -
[198] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Shian Yang wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game. Greetings capsuleer Crimson, Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. If you recall events during the Summer of Rage, it resulted in a number of capsuleers leaving New Eden to force CCPs hand. I see capsuleer Dainze calling for players to join together as they did then. It may be benign, of course, and after the forum responses on this I see capsuleer Dainze clarifying that she never meant unsubscribing ... political backtracking, of course. You can see examples of capsuleer Dainze and her high level of compatibility with the CSM here. Be clear, I dislike this candidate for being a base politician at heart. I dislike the idea of a CSM that is fractured because of the actions of one individual. I would prefer a better candidate to handle matters relating to CONCORD patrolled areas, to the station environments and so forth. One without the controversy (See the number of threads) and without the disgusting, political behavior. Opinions, of course. Regards, Shian Yang Capsuleer Yang, I still stand by my statement in response to Capsuleer Zhihatsu, even though you conveniently left out the rest of it with your selective quoting which was : DeMichael Crimson wrote:However, what I do see is various members of a large Alliance doing a smear campaign due to being scared they will eventually lose control of the CSM, severely negating their ability to indirectly control this game.
I have seen on numerous occasions your Alliance and it's infamous leader post statements of their intention to ruin all others game play, basically causing players to rage quit. That indirectly sabotages CCP's ability to make money and gain subscriptions, which will ultimately result in breaking this game. I remember quite well the infamous Summer Of Rage and all of the numerous reasons and events that led up to the riots and players canceling their subscriptions. Sorry to disappoint you but it wasn't all due to the Incarna Expansion. During the life of Eve Online, there was a build up of various different issues (1000 Papercuts thread) constantly being neglected and ignored, CCP's failure to maintain a 'Commitment to Excellence', constantly delivering half finished, bugged content which usually resulted in breaking other working aspects of the game, CCP's Lack of Communication, etc. The list goes on and on. The Incarna Expansion and the events surrounding that time frame was simply the catalyst or in other words, the straw that broke the camel's back. Also you are mistaken in thinking the un-subs 'forced' CCP's hand. What actually 'forced' their hand was a rather large loan payment being due during that period of time. That was probably the most deciding factor which prompted the company to restructure itself. Granted the mass rage posting of un-subs didn't help the situation but CCP definitely wouldn't have felt the effects of those un-subs til much later. However, due to all of the combined events constantly being advertised in the media at that time, CCP had a knee jerk reaction and changed it's direction. As for your 'dislike' of Issler as a CSM member, that's your prerogative and quite frankly, has no bearing on the issue. That's like me saying for example, that I 'dislike' players who post overly polite smug self righteous hypocritical replies that start with 'Greetings'. Even if I did think that, it still has no bearing on the issue. The main issue that you and all the other members of CFC have for posting these threads filled with unfounded accusations and demands is that Issler isn't in-cahoots with your ultimate goal, which is to indirectly control this game through the CSM allowing all of the Null Security Powerblock Alliance members to greatly benefit at the expense of all other players who are not a member of their meta gaming click. Bottom line: Issler was voted into the CSM by members of this community and has not, I repeat, has not broken any rules or regulations pertaining to the EULA/TOS/NDA. That in itself negates the validity of these threads and as such, they should all be locked and if started again, forum bans be issued to the players posting those threads. Opinions, of course. Regards, DMC
What makes you think we are scared of losing control of the CSM? If anything this whole incident has cemented our resolve to solidiy our holding within the CSM next year. Surely those 10,058 voters can spread their votes evenly between 3-4 CFC candidates and have 3-4 of those members go to Iceland for Summits?
Also, if i may. (Warning: Language) http://youtu.be/OGp9P6QvMjY Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
815
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:47:00 -
[199] - Quote
My my, talking like a moderator, eh. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.21 01:49:00 -
[200] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:My my, talking like a moderator, eh.
He is definitely on the verge of impersonating a moderator. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
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Cosmic Fart
Cosmic Gas Corporation
19
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:01:00 -
[201] - Quote
[/quote]
What makes you think we are scared of losing control of the CSM? If anything this whole incident has cemented our resolve to solidiy our holding within the CSM next year. Surely those 10,058 voters can spread their votes evenly between 3-4 CFC candidates and have 3-4 of those members go to Iceland for Summits?
[/quote]
You're working on two assumptions.
1. Goons still exists as they presently exist. 2. The CSM still exists.
A lot can happen between now and time for the next election. Hell... the Myans might be right and all this arguing is nothing more than a waste of pixel dust. |
Shian Yang
179
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:02:00 -
[202] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:I remember quite well the infamous Summer Of Rage and all of the numerous reasons and events that led up to the riots and players canceling their subscriptions. Sorry to disappoint you but it wasn't all due to the Incarna Expansion. During the life of Eve Online, there was a build up of various different issues (1000 Papercuts thread) constantly being neglected and ignored, CCP's failure to maintain a 'Commitment to Excellence', constantly delivering half finished, bugged content which usually resulted in breaking other working aspects of the game, CCP's Lack of Communication, etc. The list goes on and on. The Incarna Expansion and the events surrounding that time frame was simply the catalyst or in other words, the straw that broke the camel's back.
Greetings capsuleer Crimson,
Irrelevant tangent.
Quote:As for your 'dislike' of Issler as a CSM member, that's your prerogative and quite frankly, has no bearing on the issue. That's like me saying for example, that I 'dislike' players who post overly polite smug self righteous hypocritical replies that start with 'Greetings'.
You are more than welcome to dislike me and to voice said dislike. I will quite honestly say I dislike your smug, hypocritical attitude, your willingness to report people to the authorities and to cry for your mommy's teat whenever you find somebody disagrees with you. I fully expect that you will report this communication to CONCORD as well.
However, the dislike of some capsuleers for capsuleer Dainze, their disagreement with her policies and the articulation thereof is relevant however in the same way that complaints and discussions regarding capsuleer Mittani and other members of the Goonswarm federation was relevant both before and after the election.
In other words - capsuleers talk about their representatives in a free and open democracy and voice their opinions; both positive and negative. Just as you were voicing your opinion without trying to get discussions locked regarding the Mittani. Recall those conversations you were a part of? Where was your noble, white steed and shining suit of armour then?
DeMichael Crimson wrote:That in itself negates the validity of these threads and as such, they should all be locked and if started again, forum bans be issued to the players posting those threads.
That is a very Ammarian attitude. Force people to follow your viewpoints and all. No wonder I dislike you so much, because you are an Ammarian control freak at heart.
Why do you betray the freedoms that Mattari have fought for for so many years, capsuleer Crimson? Political discussion, both positive and negative, has a place in our democracy, capsuleer Crimson.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
815
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:06:00 -
[203] - Quote
Capsuleer Yang,
Shian Yang wrote:Irrelevant tangent. Half of these bloody forums are irrelevant tangents.
Shian Yang wrote:I fully expect that you will report this communication to CONCORD as well. You should also have informed the other fine individual that the EVEO forums are under the jurisdiction of magical space fairies, not CONORD.
Shian Yang wrote:That is a very Ammarian attitude. Force people to follow your viewpoints and all. No wonder I dislike you so much, because you are an Ammarian control freak at heart. In RUST we trust, Gold is like mold.
Obtaining Oxidixed Avatar Plates to be made into Rift
~Ala Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:26:00 -
[204] - Quote
Cosmic Fart wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:
What makes you think we are scared of losing control of the CSM? If anything this whole incident has cemented our resolve to solidiy our holding within the CSM next year. Surely those 10,058 voters can spread their votes evenly between 3-4 CFC candidates and have 3-4 of those members go to Iceland for Summits?
You're working on two assumptions. 1. Goons still exists as they presently exist. 2. The CSM still exists. A lot can happen between now and time for the next election. Hell... the Myans might be right and all this arguing is nothing more than a waste of pixel dust.
I don't really see your point. I think it is highly likely that the CFC will still be around this game in a year. And we will still have the same or close to the same numbers as we do now, barring a sudden shift in CCP policy, which leads to assumption 2 and 3.
If the CSM isn't around next year, then I would assume that CCP has decided to make an about face on the game being what the players make of it, in which case:
Assumption 3: EVE Online will be dead.
Edited because the quote formatting got messed up. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:27:00 -
[205] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Capsuleer Yang, Shian Yang wrote:Irrelevant tangent. Half of these bloody forums are irrelevant tangents. Shian Yang wrote:I fully expect that you will report this communication to CONCORD as well. You should also have informed the other fine individual that the EVEO forums are under the jurisdiction of magical space fairies, not CONORD. Shian Yang wrote:That is a very Ammarian attitude. Force people to follow your viewpoints and all. No wonder I dislike you so much, because you are an Ammarian control freak at heart. In RUST we trust, Gold is like mold. Obtaining Oxidixed Avatar Plates to be made into Rift ~Ala Forsooth! Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Shian Yang
179
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:37:00 -
[206] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:In RUST we trust, Gold is like mold.
Capsuleer Fera,
I like that. One of my other favourites is: "Flying Minmatar ships is like going down stairs in a wheelchair while firing an Uzi."
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
816
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:49:00 -
[207] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:In RUST we trust, Gold is like mold. Capsuleer Fera, I like that. One of my other favourites is: " Flying Minmatar ships is like going down stairs in a wheelchair while firing an Uzi." Regards, Shian Yang Uzi huh. I was thinking more of some type of massive anti-tank recoilless gun or an anti-tank rifle. The smaller will suffice for the Thrasher.
1400mm artillery, luv2alphastrike,
~Ala Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
317
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:13:00 -
[208] - Quote
Irony is only funny if you don't take spaceships super seriously.
So...
Standard GD responses :) |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1560
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:50:00 -
[209] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:In RUST we trust, Gold is like mold. Capsuleer Fera, I like that. One of my other favourites is: " Flying Minmatar ships is like going down stairs in a wheelchair while firing an Uzi." Regards, Shian Yang
Capsuleer Yang,
I believe that the ancient Old Earth weapon the MAC-10 is of a similar undeserved reputation for quality as the Minmatar fleet's undeserved reputation for quality.
-RubyPorto Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:39:00 -
[210] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game. Greetings capsuleer Crimson, Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. If you recall events during the Summer of Rage, it resulted in a number of capsuleers leaving New Eden to force CCPs hand. I see capsuleer Dainze calling for players to join together as they did then. It may be benign, of course, and after the forum responses on this I see capsuleer Dainze clarifying that she never meant unsubscribing ... political backtracking, of course. You can see examples of capsuleer Dainze and her high level of compatibility with the CSM here. Be clear, I dislike this candidate for being a base politician at heart. I dislike the idea of a CSM that is fractured because of the actions of one individual. I would prefer a better candidate to handle matters relating to CONCORD patrolled areas, to the station environments and so forth. One without the controversy (See the number of threads) and without the disgusting, political behavior. Opinions, of course. Regards, Shian Yang
So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic.
Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon.
Sorry for asking to much of you.
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Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:03:00 -
[211] - Quote
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:Shian Yang wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:No, I do not agree with you nor do I see any evidence or proof that Issler is trying to sabotage CCP or break this game. Greetings capsuleer Crimson, Issler Dainze wrote:Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year. If you recall events during the Summer of Rage, it resulted in a number of capsuleers leaving New Eden to force CCPs hand. I see capsuleer Dainze calling for players to join together as they did then. It may be benign, of course, and after the forum responses on this I see capsuleer Dainze clarifying that she never meant unsubscribing ... political backtracking, of course. You can see examples of capsuleer Dainze and her high level of compatibility with the CSM here. Be clear, I dislike this candidate for being a base politician at heart. I dislike the idea of a CSM that is fractured because of the actions of one individual. I would prefer a better candidate to handle matters relating to CONCORD patrolled areas, to the station environments and so forth. One without the controversy (See the number of threads) and without the disgusting, political behavior. Opinions, of course. Regards, Shian Yang So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic. Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon. Sorry for asking to much of you.
Taking CCP to task for losing sight of their own best interests is one thing. Pushing for a mass unsub because you got your tower shot at by PL is another. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1561
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:07:00 -
[212] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic.
Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon.
Sorry for asking to much of you.
Taking CCP to task for losing sight of their own best interests is one thing. Pushing for a mass unsub because you got your tower shot at by PL is another.
Issler also is confusing the in game actions of a player who happens to be a member of the CSM with the CSM's official actions. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.05.21 05:08:00 -
[213] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic.
Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon.
Sorry for asking to much of you.
Taking CCP to task for losing sight of their own best interests is one thing. Pushing for a mass unsub because you got your tower shot at by PL is another. Issler also is confusing the in game actions of a player who happens to be a member of the CSM with the CSM's official actions.
It would be pretty funny if the entire CSM decided to move against her in game, though. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
Shian Yang
181
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:10:00 -
[214] - Quote
Zhihatsu wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic.
Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon.
Sorry for asking to much of you.
Taking CCP to task for losing sight of their own best interests is one thing. Pushing for a mass unsub because you got your tower shot at by PL is another.
Greetings capsuleer Zhihatsu,
Thank you, yes. That is it in essence. Capsuleer Tassik is a bit blinded by his hatred of Goonswarm federation he can't let critical thinking get in the way of a good rant. And, I suspect he has a rather pathological hatred of me after I exposed him as a repeat liar with a bad memory.
I don't expect too much of somebody that can't even check an employment history though - calling me a Goon! I should pod the little weasel for such a statement!
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:12:00 -
[215] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Zhihatsu wrote:Jessie-A Tassik wrote:So, since Goon Boy organized the "summer of rage" that means Goon Boy, and all his Goon Boy friends on the CSM should be removed from the CSM as well. Using your logic.
Oh wait, that's applying logic that is less than totally hypocritical and insane and you are a Goon.
Sorry for asking to much of you.
Taking CCP to task for losing sight of their own best interests is one thing. Pushing for a mass unsub because you got your tower shot at by PL is another. Greetings capsuleer Zhihatsu, Thank you, yes. That is it in essence. Capsuleer Tassik is a bit blinded by his hatred of Goonswarm federation he can't let critical thinking get in the way of a good rant. And, I suspect he has a rather pathological hatred of me after I exposed him as a repeat liar with a bad memory. I don't expect too much of somebody that can't even check an employment history though - calling me a Goon! I should pod the little weasel for such a statement! Regards, Shian Yang
Goons never RP.
Capsuleer Tassik hates anyone who disagrees with him, and also makes an effort to report all posts who go contrary to his opinions. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:13:00 -
[216] - Quote
The most damning fact is that issler dainze is a full blown supporter of the quick and dirty social gameplay dressup only approach to wis incarna. emotes over wars, pants over ships, enemy to all of lowsec, do we really need this kind of unseemly csm just when ccp is on the right track?
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Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:16:00 -
[217] - Quote
Toasting in a 4chanSwarm Tears thread.
the tl;dr version of this thread: Pot. Kettle. Black. |
Zhihatsu
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:18:00 -
[218] - Quote
You people keep using this word. Number of calories in a cubic lightyear of ham http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=number+of+calories+in+a+cubic+lightyear+of+ham |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1561
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:32:00 -
[219] - Quote
Styx Cyc wrote:Toasting in a 4chanSwarm Tears thread. the tl;dr version of this thread: Pot. Kettle. Black.
First, Goons are from SA, /b/tards are from /b/ Second, see above post. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2034
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Posted - 2012.05.21 05:53:00 -
[220] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote: Greetings capsuleer Crimson,
Irrelevant tangent.
You are more than welcome to dislike me and to voice said dislike. I will quite honestly say I dislike your smug, hypocritical attitude, your willingness to report people to the authorities and to cry for your mommy's teat whenever you find somebody disagrees with you. I fully expect that you will report this communication to CONCORD as well.
However, the dislike of some capsuleers for capsuleer Dainze, their disagreement with her policies and the articulation thereof is relevant however in the same way that complaints and discussions regarding capsuleer Mittani and other members of the Goonswarm federation was relevant both before and after the election.
In other words - capsuleers talk about their representatives in a free and open democracy and voice their opinions; both positive and negative. Just as you were voicing your opinion without trying to get discussions locked regarding the Mittani. Recall those conversations you were a part of? Where was your noble, white steed and shining suit of armour then?
Capsuleer Yang,
Yes, it seems you are indeed going off on an irrelevant tangent, especially since I only stated an example while you make it personal.
Be that as it may, I believe the feeling of 'dislike' is very mutual without having to openly state it. I'm sure you know that as long as the replies are respectful and don't break the Forum Rules, there's no cause for 'reporting'. Due to your remarks about reporting, crying for mommy's teat, white noble steed and shining suit of armor, it seems you're probably an alt of someone who was banned due to repeated forum trolling. However, that's a very thin line you're walking right now and I must say if it continues, it would be an honor to 'report' all indiscretions.
Anyway, nice try with the misdirection and Ad hominem. Since you insist on making a comparison between the two, let's review the facts.
So far there's been nothing but accusations and assumptions by a select few that Capsuleer 'Issler Dainze' has broken the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS and should be removed from the CSM. No proof available to substantiate this as fact.
So far there's been positive proof established via Video, an apology thread and CCP Dev Blogs stating that Capsuleer 'The Mittani' did indeed break the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS and as such, was removed from the CSM by his own resignation. Lot's of proof available to substantiate this as fact.
Now for the second part of your reply I see you once again decided to indulge yourself with some selective quoting:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:That in itself negates the validity of these threads and as such, they should all be locked and if started again, forum bans be issued to the players posting those threads.
Obviously selective quoting is an attempt to portray a statement out of context. Let's take a look at my full original statement:
Bottom line: Issler was voted into the CSM by members of this community and has not, I repeat, has not broken any rules or regulations pertaining to the EULA/TOS/NDA. That in itself negates the validity of these threads and as such, they should all be locked and if started again, forum bans be issued to the players posting those threads.
Shian Yang wrote:That is a very Ammarian attitude. Force people to follow your viewpoints and all. No wonder I dislike you so much, because you are an Ammarian control freak at heart.
Why do you betray the freedoms that Mattari have fought for for so many years, capsuleer Crimson? Political discussion, both positive and negative, has a place in our democracy, capsuleer Crimson.
Regards,
Shian Yang
Nice try again but actually I am not trying to force anyone to follow my viewpoint. Obviously that's another incorrect assumption from you. I'm merely stating facts. Also I have a very strong Minmatar attitude. Minmatar fight for freedom, truth and justice. Especially against tyranny and false doctrine perpetrated by biased individuals seeking to dominate others.
By the way, Amarrian is the correct spelling, not Ammarian. And Matari is the correct spelling, not Mattari.
Regards,
DMC
P.S.
Cosmic Fart wrote: Not bumping this thread anymore as I feel it doesn't need the attention it's already gotten.
Very sound advice which I totally agree with. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
821
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Posted - 2012.05.21 06:31:00 -
[221] - Quote
Because they can't come up with anything better but to repeat "tears" over and over.
While they're bending over and crying ^__^/ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
Shian Yang
182
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:01:00 -
[222] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So far there's been nothing but accusations and assumptions by a select few that Capsuleer 'Issler Dainze' has broken the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS and should be removed from the CSM. No proof available to substantiate this as fact.
Greetings disliked capsuleer Crimson,
If you do not threaten to report in ever few posts, nobody would think you would run for mommy's teat when things don't go your way. So, should you wish to shake that stigma - stop threatening people having a discussion.
That said, there is nothing being said relating to violations of CONCORD strictures. At least, I have not seen anyone base it on that.
What I see is people disliking the motives, approaches and actions of capsuleer Dainze and the reflection that has on the noble CSM.
A very different scenario. Perhaps you did not understand this and if I've helped you, glad to have done so.
Regards,
Shian Yang |
Lord Zim
675
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:09:00 -
[223] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:and Ad hominem I don't think that means what you think it does.
DeMichael Crimson wrote:So far there's been nothing but accusations and assumptions by a select few that Capsuleer 'Issler Dainze' has broken the rules and regulations of the EULA/TOS and should be removed from the CSM. No proof available to substantiate this as fact. You mean accusations and assumptions by the means of an alliance mail, which Issler has specifically endorsed as a valid copy?
Sounds like proof to me. |
Shian Yang
182
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:11:00 -
[224] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:You mean accusations and assumptions by the means of an alliance mail, which Issler has specifically endorsed as a valid copy?
Greetings capsuleer Zim,
There have been no proven violations of any CONCORD strictures, right?
Regards,
Shian Yang
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
821
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Posted - 2012.05.21 07:30:00 -
[225] - Quote
Shian Yang wrote:Lord Zim wrote:You mean accusations and assumptions by the means of an alliance mail, which Issler has specifically endorsed as a valid copy? Greetings capsuleer Zim, There have been no proven violations of any CONCORD strictures, right? Regards, Shian Yang It's me. I'm the ganker. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:08:00 -
[226] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Because they can't come up with anything better but to repeat "tears" over and over. While they're bending over and crying ^__^/ because that's all they are capable of, repeating no u no u i said it first |
cerbus
Caldari Prime Pony Club
61
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:41:00 -
[227] - Quote
Issler Support Club signing in.
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cerbus
Caldari Prime Pony Club
61
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:43:00 -
[228] - Quote
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:The most damning fact is that issler dainze is a full blown supporter of the quick and dirty social gameplay dressup only approach to wis incarna. emotes over wars, pants over ships, enemy to all of lowsec, do we really need this kind of unseemly csm just when ccp is on the right track?
Regardless of the rage there are still paying subscribers who support WIS even if they do it in private.
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Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:55:00 -
[229] - Quote
I fail to see the problem here? |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
31
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:47:00 -
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Just Alter wrote:I was reading the other thread about the mail she sent. Somebody summed up the whole problem pretty well: Ranger 1 wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]I stand stand by it all.
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I won't stand for it from any of the other delegates, and after all of your preaching about it I certainly won't stand for it from you. This is unacceptable. How can a person be so vile? CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm. In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm. Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear. Didn't read the whole thread.
So, does anyone care? |
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Desert Ice78
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
125
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:03:00 -
[231] - Quote
Romar Agent wrote:Just Alter wrote:I was reading the other thread about the mail she sent. Somebody summed up the whole problem pretty well: Ranger 1 wrote:[quote=Issler Dainze]I stand stand by it all.
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I won't stand for it from any of the other delegates, and after all of your preaching about it I certainly won't stand for it from you. This is unacceptable. How can a person be so vile? CCP was able, with reason, to remove the mittani from the csm. In that way they set a precedent: people can be removed from the csm. Issler should be removed too, if anybody was not convinced by these posts/letters alone then they can search these forum, the proof of issler inadequacy to be a part of the csm is clear. Didn't read the whole thread. So, does anyone care?
Nope.
Edit: With a little reflection, I think whats happening here is the goons want us to care. Sooo...ummmm...nope. Don't care. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Josef Djugashvilis
199
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:13:00 -
[232] - Quote
The more the delightful Issler gets under the skin of the goons, the more I value her contribution to Eve.
Not that I am in the least bit anti-goon, I just like that someone can bother them so much.
You want fries with that? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
994
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:07:00 -
[233] - Quote
your face bothers me more |
Josef Djugashvilis
200
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:12:00 -
[234] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:your face bothers me more
So, what do you think a good looking man should look like dearie You want fries with that? |
Lord Zim
681
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:15:00 -
[235] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:your face bothers me more So, what do you think a good looking man should look like dearie Without dreads and with a proper neckbeard. Duh. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
69
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Posted - 2012.05.21 12:40:00 -
[236] - Quote
sing with me all ,,,,,,,,,,it's all a load of bollox ! it's all a load of bollox ! it's all a load of bollox ! |
Styx Cyc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:36:00 -
[237] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:Toasting in a 4chanSwarm Tears thread. the tl;dr version of this thread: Pot. Kettle. Black. First, Goons are from SA, /b/tards are from /b/ Second, see above post.
And again, the difference is...?. A mouthbreathing aspie is still a mouthbreathing aspie regardless of where he posts. |
Spikeflach
Echo's of Liberty Dominatus Atrum Mortis
10
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:53:00 -
[238] - Quote
Frankly I am intrigued by the Superiority Complex people get from being in the large alliances of eve.
Get over it.
A CSM member cannot be removed unless they do something like what The Mittani did.
Please see the word Impeachment.
Please start spending more time playing eve or making suggestions to make eve better. |
Romar Agent
Ishukone Regional Headquarters
31
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:37:00 -
[239] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:your face bothers me more So, what do you think a good looking man should look like dearie Give him a break, I think that was just a goon cryout for attention |
Antisocial Malkavian
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
101
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Posted - 2012.05.21 20:21:00 -
[240] - Quote
Spikeflach wrote:Frankly I am intrigued by the Superiority Complex people get from being in the large alliances of eve. Get over it. A CSM member cannot be removed unless they do something like what The Mittani did. Please see the word Impeachment. Please start spending more time playing eve or making suggestions to make eve better.
poasting in support of Issler being removed but not for the thread reason
and nom nom Goonie tears. Its OK when you guys "gray area" but when others do it you IM the GMs eh?
Or start threads like this lol
Adapt or die, HTFU, all that fun **** http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.2317/JKES0811.17.1 Bees That Drink Human Tears -- ITS SCIENCE!!! |
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1563
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:42:00 -
[241] - Quote
Styx Cyc wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:Toasting in a 4chanSwarm Tears thread. the tl;dr version of this thread: Pot. Kettle. Black. First, Goons are from SA, /b/tards are from /b/ Second, see above post. And again, the difference is...?. A mouthbreathing aspie is still a mouthbreathing aspie regardless of where he posts.
If you can't spot the difference between SA and /b/, you clearly have bigger problems with social signalling than the problems you claim Goons and /b/tards have. Single-Shard, Player Driven-áSandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special. |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.05.21 21:45:00 -
[242] - Quote
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Spikeflach wrote:Frankly I am intrigued by the Superiority Complex people get from being in the large alliances of eve. Get over it. A CSM member cannot be removed unless they do something like what The Mittani did. Please see the word Impeachment. Please start spending more time playing eve or making suggestions to make eve better. poasting in support of Issler being removed but not for the thread reason and nom nom Goonie tears. Its OK when you guys "gray area" but when others do it you IM the GMs eh? Or start threads like this lol Adapt or die, HTFU, all that fun **** "cheating and exploiting is ok when its against goons"
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:45:00 -
[243] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote: Next time, how about you doing some research instead of being lazy?
I'm afraid you seem to misunderstand how the burden of proof works. |
David Cedarbridge
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
219
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:47:00 -
[244] - Quote
RubyPorto wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Styx Cyc wrote:Toasting in a 4chanSwarm Tears thread. the tl;dr version of this thread: Pot. Kettle. Black. First, Goons are from SA, /b/tards are from /b/ Second, see above post. And again, the difference is...?. A mouthbreathing aspie is still a mouthbreathing aspie regardless of where he posts. If you can't spot the difference between SA and /b/, you clearly have bigger problems with social signalling than the problems you claim Goons and /b/tards have. Hey now, this guy is an expert at detecting mouthbreathers. He's well into some of the more aggravated symptoms himself. |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
687
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Posted - 2012.05.21 22:49:00 -
[245] - Quote
Op is dumb Why dust 514 is on Console and not PCBattle field 3 salesXbox 360: 2.2 millionPlayStation 3: 1.5 millionPC: 500,000 |
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