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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 29/06/2009 23:49:18 I've had all Hybrids trained up for a year now, and all Energy turrets for just over a month. Now I am working towards Projectiles.
Simple question, is it worth training Large Projectiles, specifically autocannons, or should I just stop after medium? The Maelstrom looks like a fun ship on paper. (Edit: For PvP).
o7
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Orakkus
Minmatar m3 Corp Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:55:00 -
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For T2 ACs, yes.. For T2 Arties.. not so much.
That being said, if you have the skills, you are probably better off flying Gallente/Amarr BSes in PVP regardless.
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Raniss
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Posted - 2009.06.29 23:58:00 -
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Projectiles worth it?
Lol.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.06.30 00:06:00 -
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Well even if they aren't excellent, was thinking it would make me unnerfable... or at least prepare me for when they get buffed.
But then it seems that minmatar have been crap so long that anyone who held their breath has died.
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AstroPhobic
Darkest Depths
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:38:00 -
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No.
At least not the Arty line. The maelstrom is bearable and makes for some good solo pvp footage, but you'll find yourself asking if you really spent a month of training for this crap.
If you find Minnie bs or projectiles getting the buffhammer, you'll have enough time to train large projectile 5 before it actually hits. The apocalypse, that is.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2009.06.30 03:40:00 -
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ACs would be nice to be able to use barrage which extends your range quite a bit.
And Arty, well larges are so damn crappy every bit of extra performance counts, guess its worth it if you want to seriously use them.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:32:00 -
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For the most part, unless you are already trained deeply into it, it is not worth training Minmatar battleships or capitals. I personally think you should not bother with it. . .but its your 15 bucks. -----------
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:38:00 -
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Yes, train them now. By the time you are finished maxing your specialization, they should be FOTM. -------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.06.30 16:41:00 -
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yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
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Nullshadow
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2009.06.30 17:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nullshadow on 30/06/2009 17:40:25 I slightly regret the time I spent on Large projectiles, since I could instead have developed another weapon type and been more useful at the things I am and have been involved with. However, since you already have the other two types of turrets maxed out, you might as well work on projectiles. Large projectiles aren't useless by any means, just weaker than your alternatives in many (most?) situations; there are times that Minnie ships shine, so why not be able to fly them at maximum efficiency when you do? And as others have said, things go in cycles, and in 2-3 years projectiles of all stripes may well be envied. If you have no other specific goal in mind, you might as well prepare for that day.
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1600 RT
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:09:00 -
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atm projectiles arent worth the skill time AC are weak arty is just crap. but if you hope CCP will one day buff projectile train for them, if not train amarr like everyone else.
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Myra2007
Shafrak Industries
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:10:00 -
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If you want to fly minnie bs it obviously is. I trained minnie bs5/t2 large on one of my chars a few months ago and have yet to regret it.
You already have 2 t2 large guns trained so i would expect you to be in the 30m+ sp range with maxed gunnery support and at least one bs skill at 5. At that point (or so i've found) its not really wasted sp even if you don't find yourself flying the ships all the time. Its about broader options and being nerfproof.
If you're lacking in gunnery supports or don't have amarr/gallente bs 5 i'd prefer working on those i guess. --
Originally by: Jasper Dark
I agree! Lets go back into caves and lick rocks!
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Ichandasil
Minmatar Department of Defence
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
Tempest is meh and that fit you linked to proves it (lol 3km optimal). Anything you can do in that 'Pest he can do better in a blaster boat.
And yes, I have all T2 large projectiles and am currently training lasers because falloff is arse and arty is beyond awful.
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2009.06.30 18:58:00 -
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Its fun gate camping with friends and your 2x sensor bosted maelstrom/tempest with artillery insta pops ships before your drake friends' missile land on target.
Its fun - but not the most effective in a competitive fight.
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AstroPhobic
Darkest Depths
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
The tempest shown in the EFT pic falls very short of anything a torp raven can do. VERY short.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
More useful than Conflag or void? Oh be still my beating heart.
Seriously, that's really not saying very much...
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Fossil Wolf
omen. Gay4Life
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Gneeznow yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
The tempest shown in the EFT pic falls very short of anything a torp raven can do. VERY short.
He's being a trouble maker I tell you!
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Traderboz
SlaveMart
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow yes, because Hail is more usefull than conflagration or void and despite popular belief, tempest can be a good fast gank boat using hail, it also has sails
The problem in your analysis is that it's better than conflag/void because the other races have a good faction ammo, whereas faction EMP has gimpy damage from the start. If Minmatar had the option of a good faction ammo, Hail would be pretty similar to the other two t2 ammos. As is though, I do agree it's nice (situationally) because of the higher damage and the high explosive component.
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2009.06.30 23:17:00 -
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Matari ships, If flown properly, are a training sink. you need Nav, missle, shield and armor skills. In differing quantities per ship. If you want to fly the Mael then train shield and proj. but NOTHING is funner than a phoon IMO but it takes years to fly it right. My main flies strictly matari from back when lasers were crap and peeps were putting projectiles on amarr ships to get some damage out of them.
The way it is now will be changed, to what? who knows only the Devegods
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me0de
Holographic Universe
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Posted - 2009.07.01 01:03:00 -
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The real reason behind Minmatar, and thus Large Projectile superority, is subtle, yet completely relevent.
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Kismo
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Posted - 2009.07.01 04:04:00 -
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Large Projectiles are pure win. Trust the flashy flashy pirate boy.... we'll never mislead you! <3 <3 <3
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Einar Lightfingers
Army 0f Two
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Posted - 2009.07.02 04:09:00 -
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I, for one, thoroughly enjoy having trained up projectiles. I have T2 AC and Arty's, and when used properly, yield some good fun. I don't use AC's much anymore, but my Alphastrom is hilarious out the wazoo.
Sure, Projectiles need some adjustments, but it's still fun. _______________________ Once a BEE, always a BEE!
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2009.07.02 04:30:00 -
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My primary PvP pilot has been flying exclusively Minmatar ships for a long time. I do sometimes envy Amarr pilots, but I have fun using my Tempests and Typhoons in BS fights.
...this doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.07.02 05:22:00 -
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I'd put it this way - Minmatar ships can be worth it despite the projectiles.
Minni ships aren't pure tank and gank, they try to get some versatility in the mix, speed and agility. To offset all those extra bonuses, CCP decided to give them **** for guns
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EFT Warrior
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Posted - 2009.07.02 05:51:00 -
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It is funny watching a nanophoon get torn to bits trying to speed tank against another battleship. Whoever said Minmatar battleships can speed tank are deluded. Tanking with range is still totally possible, but that's why I like artillery better in skirmishes, simply because your opponent will 90% of the time be fitted with short range guns, and you are faster than him.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.07.02 07:27:00 -
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Back in the day, having artilleries fitted on your gatecamping tempest was a feared and respected thing.
[Tempest, Temp] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Signal Amplifier II Signal Amplifier II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Warrior II x5
Then CCP happened to EVE, and everything started sliding downhill.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.07.02 09:29:00 -
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I guess thats a no then lol I will stop at mediums.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.07.02 09:32:00 -
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Right now training up amarr BS 4 and getting some decent (T1) laser skills will make you work better in fleets. Better tank, better dps, better range. Thing is that starting to train for stuff that is FOTM now might get you in trouble later.
Self-proclaimed idiot
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Benco97
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.02 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc I guess thats a no then lol I will stop at mediums.
Small and medium Projectiles in either Autocannon OR Artillery flavours are great weapons that work very well, you'll be happy with them. Large are a bit disappointing as the thread has already explained.
Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.07.02 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Right now training up amarr BS 4 and getting some decent (T1) laser skills will make you work better in fleets. Better tank, better dps, better range. Thing is that starting to train for stuff that is FOTM now might get you in trouble later.
I already have Amarr bs 5 and all the laser skills to t2.
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