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Baba Ganouche
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:25:00 -
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Yeah I know "there's no 'best' anything in EVE because there are so many factors that go into blah blah blah" and I know that there are already a gajillion threads about which race is superior, but I've waded through a lot of them and most people commenting seem to be heavily influenced by a race's battleship lineup. I don't really care about battleships tbh. Paying 150+ million ISK to fly around at 98 m/s and align like a mack truck doesn't appeal to me in the slightest, and I'm not really interested in fleet battles or having the most damage on a killmail.
I have about 5m SP and I feel its about time to start settling on a race to specialize in. I've already started working on EW skills because I already have half-decent shield and missile skills from training up Caldari mission boats, and people tell me that EW is a good way for newer players to be useful in PvP. I also enjoy ****ing people off, so it seems like a good fit for the time being. My current goal is to become a decent Blackbird pilot so I can start helping out in PvP and then focus on one race to specialize in.
So if you didn't care about battleships or above and only wanted to do solo/small-gang PvP (or possibly fleet battles too, but certainly not sniping from 200km), what race would you pick and why?
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Enden Assulu
Caldari Blood Money Inc.
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:38:00 -
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For T1 I would say gallente/Minmatar because I like them both. T2 Though I would say amarr the Recons are v. good for solo and the Zealot/Sac are pretty good HACs
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Lee Dalton
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:50:00 -
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Looking at T1 ships only:
Minmatar Frigate: Rifter Cruiser: Rupture Battlecruiser: Hurricane
Amarr Frigate: Punisher Cruiser: Arbitrator Battlecruiser: Harbinger
Gallente Frigate: Incursus/Tristan Cruiser: Vexor/Thorax Battlecruiser: Brutix
Caldari Frigate: Merlin/Kestrel Battlecruiser: Drake *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2009.06.30 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 30/06/2009 21:51:55 Solo Minmatar; Rupture, Hurricane, Rapier, Vagabond and Muninn are great fun and very good at what they do. In fleets amarr are better, they're very focussed on doing damage at range which is what you want in fleets. They also have some good solo roamers but I'd prefer minmatar for that.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:11:00 -
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Minmatar, without a doubt. For all sizes below BS, for both T1 & T2 ships, they either have *the* best ship of their class, or atleast a very useful ship if not the best. The only real exceptions to that would be recons maybe since they took a hit with the web changes, and for HACs, Muninn is a decent sniper, but it's not as good as the Zealot.
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AstroPhobic
Darkest Depths
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim Muninn... very good at what (it does)
Mmmkay. And the tempest is a good ship too with autocannons and neuts, right? Don't forget the single EW slot of doom.
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Admiral Valdore
The Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Dalton Looking at T1 ships only:
Minmatar Frigate: Rifter Cruiser: Rupture Battlecruiser: Hurricane
Amarr Frigate: Punisher Cruiser: Arbitrator Battlecruiser: Harbinger
Gallente Frigate: Incursus/Tristan Cruiser: Vexor/Thorax Battlecruiser: Brutix
Caldari Frigate: Merlin/Kestrel Cruiser: Blackbird Battlecruiser: Drake
Fixed
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Lee Dalton
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Tzar'rim Muninn... very good at what (it does)
Mmmkay. And the tempest is a good ship too with autocannons and neuts, right? Don't forget the single EW slot of doom.
Lets look at long range sniper HACs ...
Amarr - Zealot, with no doubt the best. Gallente - lol Deimos? Caldari - Eagle, so you can hit extreme range but have weak DPS Minmatar - Muninn, More alpha than the Zealot, less DPS. The 2nd best sniper HAC in the game.
Looks like a reasonable ship for the role. *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
Lee Dalton
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Valdore
Originally by: Lee Dalton Looking at T1 ships only:
Minmatar Frigate: Rifter Cruiser: Rupture Battlecruiser: Hurricane
Amarr Frigate: Punisher Cruiser: Arbitrator Battlecruiser: Harbinger
Gallente Frigate: Incursus/Tristan Cruiser: Vexor/Thorax Battlecruiser: Brutix
Caldari Frigate: Merlin/Kestrel Cruiser: Blackbird Battlecruiser: Drake
Fixed
Oops, misread. Yeah, the blackbird is a great small gang ship - useless for solo though. *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
Lee Dalton
Method of Destruction Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Lee Dalton on 30/06/2009 22:29:07 Edit: Doublepost! *** You're only as good as your last fight. |
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Admiral Valdore
The Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Valdore on 30/06/2009 22:30:13
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Admiral Valdore
Originally by: Lee Dalton Looking at T1 ships only:
Minmatar Frigate: Rifter Cruiser: Rupture Battlecruiser: Hurricane
Amarr Frigate: Punisher Cruiser: Arbitrator Battlecruiser: Harbinger
Gallente Frigate: Incursus/Tristan Cruiser: Vexor/Thorax Battlecruiser: Brutix
Caldari Frigate: Merlin/Kestrel Cruiser: Blackbird Battlecruiser: Drake
Fixed
Oops, misread. Yeah, the blackbird is a great small gang ship - useless for solo though.
True. Does deserve to be on the list though. Just dont try and solo in anything cruiser wise for caldari =] T1 that is.
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 22:41:14 From what I see, In a nutshell
Gallente: Good Intys, Good all rounders. Caldari: Kings of Ewar, Crow is good for straight tackle. Great for gangs, (Drake can be amazing if fit with utility instead of tank, You'll still be the last to die) but pretty cold for solo. Minmitar: Great for solo, Rifter, Vaga and such. Amarr: Shine more for BS, but still fare well for gang+solo work. Best logistics (due to Meta promoting Armor RR, Second place goes to caldari)
Blackbird is a great shout though, With average skills you can Jam out past 100K, With Top skills its 165K Optimal+42K Falloff or there abouts. With proper fitting it hits 11 Jam strength and can carry one of each racial. And its **** cheap. Awesome :)
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Iria Ahrens
Amarr 101st Space Marine Force Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:42:00 -
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I've almost 20m SP and the only reason I fly a BS is for ratting, and then only because my DPS is higher. Maybe when I can do t2 mediums I can switch back to a HAC. So I understand the feeling.
But really, it's all a matter of taste. Which race has the prettiest ships. Battle cruisers every race has an awesome looking BC. Say what you like about minmatar=ugly but not the rifter and hurricane. The carrier is also hot! But BS some races just get gawful ugly. I can fly every races t1 BC or lower, and really, it just comes down to which I'm in the mood for. Caldari are great for utility. I'll use all the mids for utility and stick an armor repper in the low. Call me daft but it works. --
Nobody expects the Amarr Inquisition!
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Duke Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Vidi Angelus (Drake can be amazing if fit with utility instead of tank,
Wondering what exactly you're thinking of here.
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Admiral Valdore
The Ronin Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:46:00 -
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Remember solo pvp is nearly extinct, if not fully. So Caldari is a wise choice in ships for gang+fleet, of course, as all the races. All have their advantages and disadvantages, just fly one you like the style/role/look off.
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Vidi Angelus
Caldari Crystal Dynamics Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2009.06.30 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Vidi Angelus on 30/06/2009 23:02:19
Originally by: Duke Starbuckington
Originally by: Vidi Angelus (Drake can be amazing if fit with utility instead of tank,
Wondering what exactly you're thinking of here.
Remote sensor boosters, Target Painters, Pretty much anything but Ewar. I Saw an amusing setup that had half Armour reppers & Half HML. Was filled with Cap boosters & Cap rigs. For the price it was pretty damn good logi. (not that i'd endorse it :P)
Everyone expects All tank drakes, and even if they eventually see through the ruse, its a cheap-ass ship.
Drake has 4 Lows, 6 Mids, and 8 Highs, If you stop thinking about Gank, its suddently a very interesting ship.
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AstroPhobic
Darkest Depths
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Posted - 2009.06.30 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Dalton
Lets look at long range sniper HACs ...
Amarr - Zealot, with no doubt the best. Gallente - lol Deimos? Caldari - Eagle, so you can hit extreme range but have weak DPS Minmatar - Muninn, More alpha than the Zealot, less DPS. The 2nd best sniper HAC in the game.
Looks like a reasonable ship for the role.
Looks like "reasonable" and "very good" are two very different qualifiers.
Regardless, what do you think the role of the muninn is? 100km HAC sniping? If so, the eagle beats the muninn there too, hands down.
Both ships fit to snipe 100km, unrigged:
Same EHP, same align time. Muninn is a little bit faster, but that's not useful as a sniper HAC. Eagle locks faster and has 50% more sensor strength. Eagle does about 10 more DPS (5%) and has TWICE the tracking. It's cap stable without the MWD on. The only real advantage that the muninn holds over the eagle is alpha strike, and at a 1500 it's fairly useless. It has a highslot and a drone bay over the eagle, but neither come into play at 100km.
If you think it's role is alpha strike on a gate at 20-odd KM with RF EMP, maybe. But there the hurricane does it much cheaper and better, too.
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abrasive soap
Caldari Corporation 12345
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Posted - 2009.06.30 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Dalton
Originally by: Admiral Valdore
Originally by: Lee Dalton Looking at T1 ships only:
Minmatar Frigate: Rifter Cruiser: Rupture Battlecruiser: Hurricane
Amarr Frigate: Punisher Cruiser: Arbitrator Battlecruiser: Harbinger
Gallente Frigate: Incursus/Tristan Cruiser: Vexor/Thorax Battlecruiser: Brutix
Caldari Frigate: Merlin/Kestrel Cruiser: Blackbird Battlecruiser: Drake
Fixed
Oops, misread. Yeah, the blackbird is a great small gang ship - useless for solo though.
3 medium pulse laser 1 medium nos mwd scram lse 3 multis 2 heatsinks
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Eyelol'd
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Posted - 2009.07.01 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: abrasive soap 3 medium pulse laser 1 medium nos mwd scram lse 3 multis 2 heatsinks
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HAHAHAHAHAHA You're kidding, right?
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2009.07.01 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lee Dalton
Amarr - Zealot, with no doubt the best. Gallente - Sentry Ishtar Caldari - Eagle, so you can hit extreme range but have weak DPS Minmatar - Muninn, More alpha than the Zealot, less DPS. The 2nd best sniper HAC in the game.
Looks like a reasonable ship for the role.
fixed that for you bud. it just happens to do the most dps at 100km, out of all the ships you listed there. no biggie i guess, mistakes happen.
id also recommend minmatar for the most useful t1 ships. rifter = top of the line...rupture, definitely; even stabber makes a good heavy tackler...cyclone and cane are both amazing bc's. minnies have the most complete arsenal. if ure looking at individual ships though:
gallente: vexor and myrm - probably the most versatile t1 sub-BS ships. very competitive dps and tanks; brutix - some of the highest dps you can get out of a bc but very 2-dimensional as a blaster gank boat amarr: arby and harby; harby is probably the best bc - decent tank, huge dps with the most range caldari: probably the weakest in t1 sub-bs department; but you have the drake and blackbird
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abrasive soap
Caldari Corporation 12345
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Posted - 2009.07.01 07:32:00 -
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Originally by: Eyelol'd
Originally by: abrasive soap 3 medium pulse laser 1 medium nos mwd scram lse 3 multis 2 heatsinks
:awesome:
HAHAHAHAHAHA You're kidding, right?
very serious
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Tahm Leukas
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Posted - 2009.07.01 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE
Originally by: Lee Dalton
Amarr - Zealot, with no doubt the best. Gallente - Sentry Ishtar Caldari - Eagle, so you can hit extreme range but have weak DPS Minmatar - Muninn, More alpha than the Zealot, less DPS. The 2nd best sniper HAC in the game.
Looks like a reasonable ship for the role.
fixed that for you bud. it just happens to do the most dps at 100km, out of all the ships you listed there. no biggie i guess, mistakes happen.
id also recommend minmatar for the most useful t1 ships. rifter = top of the line...rupture, definitely; even stabber makes a good heavy tackler...cyclone and cane are both amazing bc's. minnies have the most complete arsenal. if ure looking at individual ships though:
gallente: vexor and myrm - probably the most versatile t1 sub-BS ships. very competitive dps and tanks; brutix - some of the highest dps you can get out of a bc but very 2-dimensional as a blaster gank boat amarr: arby and harby; harby is probably the best bc - decent tank, huge dps with the most range caldari: probably the weakest in t1 sub-bs department; but you have the drake and blackbird
c/d?
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Duke Karas
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Posted - 2009.07.01 19:28:00 -
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My advice? Use any ship not mentioned in this thread. Fit it to counter the ships/fittings listed here... My point is to do the un-common and un-expected. Most of the non-popular ships CAN fight as well
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adriaans
Amarr Ankaa.
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Posted - 2009.07.01 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Karas My advice? Use any ship not mentioned in this thread. Fit it to counter the ships/fittings listed here... My point is to do the un-common and un-expected. Most of the non-popular ships CAN fight as well
and it's way funner -sig- Support the introduction of Blaze crystals for Amarr!
Originally by: UMEE if ure another fotm re-roller, then dont pvp. you'll fail.
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Footoo Rama
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Posted - 2009.07.01 20:27:00 -
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Witht he price and ease of fitting, I would take the Brutix of the list, and use a domi... at 45million not much reason to fly the brutix when you can do everything the Brutix can better... Ok it is a slower blasterboat...
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