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Trellish
The Perfect Storm Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Ask to be invited to the United ransom channel - see how they do it. They have about a 90% success rate - they get people to eject from tech 3 ships, sing on team speak etc... and one time we even trapped a caracal and made him fight the next target that came through the gate, gladiator style. Winner got to keep their ship :D
That last one is pure WIN!
We've done the sing for your ship one... gotta remember the gladiator approach though
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.07.04 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury I've recently been attempting to ransom players before we pop their ships, and its not been going well. 50% of people will outright refuse the convo, 50% of whats left will close convo as soon as you ransom them and everyone else has said no or tried to negotiate for a lower price (im not going to negotiate or delay long enough for them to get friends).
Why is this so? I'm taking a stab that its because at some point in the past all of these players, who probably venture in to lowsec from time to time, have had a ransom dishonored.
So why is this an argument to dishonor ransoms? Well the way I see it is that if they are going to stop paying ransoms as soon as someone dishonors and you get someone that PAY a ransom, then it is likely their first or second ransom. Seeing as by the next time you kill them they will have probably met someone that dishonored the ransom and wont pay anyway, why not just take the isk and their killmail as well.
Congratulations. You have rediscovered the tragedy of the commons.
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Misanth
Reaper Industries
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Posted - 2009.07.04 19:22:00 -
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I didn't read more than the OP so this reply is only relevant to that post.. either case; I'd say it's more likely the people you communicate with for a ransom, lack experience from being ransomed altogether, tbh.
How many examples can you think of where people been ransomed more than once in their whole EVE career? I've only heard of one, and that was some story posted in here about some dude jumping back into a system where his two friendly pirates had ransomed him earlier.. most idio.. I mean players, should learn from their mistake, right?
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Normin Bates
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Posted - 2009.07.04 20:03:00 -
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Yes. They should learn from mistakes. Like the mistake of paying a ransom and still losing their ship, implants AND the extra cash. |
Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.07.06 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Congratulations. You have rediscovered the tragedy of the commons.
While on the surface this seems like it applies to people not honoring ransoms, you're missing something very important.
A tragedy of the commons assumes that the resource shared by all is finite. If Eve had a static player base, it would be accurate. Fortunately, this is not the case as there are new players joining Eve all the time.
Honoring ransoms is for squares.
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Jesslyn Daggererux
Gallente Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2009.07.06 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar
Originally by: Malcanis Congratulations. You have rediscovered the tragedy of the commons.
While on the surface this seems like it applies to people not honoring ransoms, you're missing something very important.
A tragedy of the commons assumes that the resource shared by all is finite. If Eve had a static player base, it would be accurate. Fortunately, this is not the case as there are new players joining Eve all the time.
Honoring ransoms is for squares.
maybe he means isk? i mean its not like it....just....comes from nowhere....right? -------------------------
Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux GREAT CHINESE WALL OF TEXT
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.07.06 15:52:00 -
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I would never honor a ransom. That's like taking a bribe, and its an insult to my honor. If I have determined to murder someone and con them out of their money, by golly that's what I'm going to do. They can pay me if it pleases them, but they cannot make me do what my heart doesn't want to do.
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Inat Mivea
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:57:00 -
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well, I'm a noob and havent ventured into lowsec but from what i've read, I would never pay a ransom b/c more than likely three mins later, someone will pop me anyway - whether it is the original 'pirate' or not.
I'm not a carebear at all but I wish 'pirates' had a reason to destroy my ship instead of just doing it. By killing on site, all you do is limit your future targets.
think about it.... if you stop me, scan my cargo, ask for a small payment for 'passage' I'm still apt to travel through low sec, salvage in low sec, etc. One day, you're gonna find me with a hold full of tritanium. However by operating the way most 'pirates' do and kill me just b/c I am there, you're going to never have that chance b/c I wont be there - nor will many others.
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Jonny 101
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 16:59:00 -
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I ransomed a rorqual for 800m isk two days ago. The loot was rubbish.
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Larkness
modro Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:07:00 -
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i always honor ransoms , it might not help my stats much but im of the honorable pirates - o7 to the old guard
if only i could be pirating more these days - NRDS
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Jonny 101
Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Larkness i always honor ransoms , it might not help my stats much but im of the honorable pirates - o7 to the old guard
if only i could be pirating more these days - NRDS
You're a pathetic carebear in a rubbish alliance, go choke on veldspar.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:35:00 -
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I've paid a ransom and lived... He asked for a reasonable amount
I've rejected ransoms and been popped... He asked for way too much
I've also been asked for a ransom and not even been given the time needed to reply before I was popped...
But, I only fly in a T1 ships with cheap fits and no implants, so your ransom demands must be low if you want me to pay. If not, I am only out the cost of an upgraded clone.
If I am flying a T2 ship, it is in a war fleet, and then it's either kill or be killed so ransoms do not apply.
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Kale Kold
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dario Wall I think it's not only the fact that some people dishonor the ransom, but the victim thinks by not paying it they are taking control of the situation. They probably have seen too many movies with the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line in them. It's unfortunate since the majority of times, paying the ransom will cost them less than if they lose the ship.
Yep, total madness. For example, i was on the gate with a few buddies and we tackled a freighter. So we ransomed for about 400 million. which we though was very fair. He basically smacked us and told us he would not pay so we blew him up and made 2 Billion on his loot. Total utter madness!!! lol!
Just pay, you'll hurt less!
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Thea Arsoniztik
Fat J Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Inat Mivea well, I'm a noob
Originally by: Inat Mivea I'm not a carebear at all
Originally by: Inat Mivea One day, you're gonna find me with a hold full of tritanium.
ROFLBROTHEL
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Inat Mivea
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Posted - 2009.07.06 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Thea Arsoniztik
Originally by: Inat Mivea well, I'm a noob
Originally by: Inat Mivea I'm not a carebear at all
Originally by: Inat Mivea One day, you're gonna find me with a hold full of tritanium.
ROFLBROTHEL
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Syringe
R.E.C.O.N. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.07.06 19:26:00 -
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My usual ransom holds at 10m or one third the value of their ship - whichever is highest.
I honor my ransoms and several times I've caught people I've ransomed before who pay up specifically because I honored it last time.
I've pulled ransoms out of people in Prov because they in at least one of their 600 intel channels, someone knows I'll leave 'em in one piece if they pay up. This is usually, of course, followed by the angry blob that CVA/Pets are so well known for. --------- War isn't the answer. However, the objective isn't to provide answers rather than eliminate the question. |
Iece Quaan
Caldari Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:37:00 -
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Keep in mind that being ransomed is pretty humiliating. Plenty of people will just give you the finger not to go out like a *****. It probably would help to at least make it amusing for the victim and not try to be hard about it: '20m or die'. You can do better than that =)
Some people may think that it may discourage you from the pirate's life. I think that's probably untrue, it'll just discourage you from ransoming at all. =P
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thisisnotanalt
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Posted - 2009.07.06 20:53:00 -
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Given the situation of being scrambled by a pirate ship and teetering on structure, there are 3 outcomes:
1. You pay ransom, you get away. They get ISK. 2. You pay ransom, they dishonor it. You lost isk and ship. They got ISK. 3. You don't pay ransom, they blow you up. They get loot drop which is pretty sparse.
In ALL cases, they get ISK and you lose ISK. Chose the option that gives you the most control over the situation which is to refuse/self destruct ship and deny them easy ISK. It's about dignity and the moral fibre of not capitulating. NEVER PAY RANSOM! LIVE FREE, DIE FREE! |
KiloAlpha
Southern Cross Trilogy
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Posted - 2009.07.06 22:31:00 -
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one of my corp mates can flipped a orca one time, i dont think the orca paid ransom
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trenny jr
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Posted - 2009.07.09 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: sp3cial forc3s
Originally by: Rock urSocksoff
Originally by: sp3cial forc3s Am i missing something here?
I take it you ransom every single one of your targets and let them go wether they pay or not because battleclinic says you have never killed a ship or pod in your eve history.
You're an idiot.
I'm just stating facts.
not every one posts thir kill to battle clinic in fact battle clinic is the worst place to post kills the systems not very good better on a private KB or corp run killboard
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Mire Stoude
The Undesirables
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Posted - 2009.07.10 04:08:00 -
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Why don't people pay ransoms? Because it's not real lives at stake. So there is no fear and e-pride is the dominant emotional driver. You find a way to hold a gun to someone's head over the interwebs and I think the amount of ransoms paid would go up substantially.
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Lao Xin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.07.10 04:54:00 -
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If you're targeting new players and they're not paying their ransoms, chances are they came from amusement park ride MMO like LotR or WoW, where death means close to absolutely nothing, so they don't understand the true penalties and repercussions of losing ships, or perhaps, are in denial that any such repercussions exist.
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PostmasterGeneral
Minmatar yo i'm posting
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Posted - 2009.07.10 05:13:00 -
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i know you can spell better than that
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Youjustwant Easykills
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Posted - 2009.07.10 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Xin If you're targeting new players and they're not paying their ransoms, chances are they came from amusement park ride MMO like LotR or WoW, where death means close to absolutely nothing, so they don't understand the true penalties and repercussions of losing ships, or perhaps, are in denial that any such repercussions exist.
Either that or they fly what they canafford to lose and prize their dignity way above that. What feels worse to you - losing a ship worth hundreds of mil isk or a feeling of being rayped? I'd personally just lose isk.
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Awesome Possum
Insert Obscure Latin Name
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Posted - 2009.07.10 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Youjustwant Easykills
Originally by: Lao Xin If you're targeting new players and they're not paying their ransoms, chances are they came from amusement park ride MMO like LotR or WoW, where death means close to absolutely nothing, so they don't understand the true penalties and repercussions of losing ships, or perhaps, are in denial that any such repercussions exist.
Either that or they fly what they canafford to lose and prize their dignity way above that. What feels worse to you - losing a ship worth hundreds of mil isk or a feeling of being rayped? I'd personally just lose isk.
If you prize your dignity, and can feel as if you've been raped, in an MMO, you need to unplug the cat5. ♥
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.07.10 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Lao Xin If you're targeting new players and they're not paying their ransoms, chances are they came from amusement park ride MMO like LotR or WoW, where death means close to absolutely nothing, so they don't understand the true penalties and repercussions of losing ships, or perhaps, are in denial that any such repercussions exist.
Two posssible outcomes: Losing your ship
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Losing the way too high ransom ammount + having pirates gain it so they can get more ships to kill you Probably losing your ship anyway Get an own C&P topic where the pirate inflates is ego
How hard is the choice then really? Dont pay ransom.
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Coldhearted One
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Posted - 2009.07.10 18:27:00 -
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Oh I remember when I just started to game. Some "Dawn of Eve(r)" (someone who has a character from the very beginning of Eve- '03) ransomed me to fill his jet cans with veldspar =( he came in and was watching me mine away in my baby Bantam lmao I told my friends and corpmates and then let MR. Billy Bad Arse keep his distance from while he was orbitting me and waiting for me to fill his cans up. I told him no and was waiting for him to jump me =( As he approached my ship, my friends came in their ships and he noticed the same tags as mine lol He ran like a little coward that he is So you can try and ransom me or tell me to mine for you but the second I dock i'm going to come out and sucker your pathethic excuse for being lazy. Pretty please come and try and get me to mine for you. I ll find u in your pod and take the security hit as long as I blow your cheapskate plus 3s sorry excuse for a toon away lmao Just don't sing it!!! Bring it you!!!! BTW Lana, I love you and your sister GL with Lady Spank!! I love women that are feisty!!! Us girls need to stand up and fight for each other YARRRRRRRRRRR!!!! rofl oh fly safe all
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Tunak
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Posted - 2009.07.10 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dario Wall I think it's not only the fact that some people dishonor the ransom, but the victim thinks by not paying it they are taking control of the situation. They probably have seen too many movies with the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" line in them. It's unfortunate since the majority of times, paying the ransom will cost them less than if they lose the ship.
It's not about costing me less. It's about providing less to you.
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Ignitious Hellfury
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.07.11 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lana Hellfury i'll pod you on principal..
Principle*
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Zaphod Beeblebrox42
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Posted - 2009.07.11 02:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zaphod Beeblebrox42 on 11/07/2009 02:22:01 - While I have yet to be ransomed, one of my corpmates has. He didn't have the isk they asked for(and it was reasonable given the ship he was flying) so they gave him a choice of ejecting and saving his pod or them blowing him and his pod up. He chose to eject, they honored the agreement. While he wasn't happy that he lost his ship he held no ill will to the pirates that ransomed him(recognition of game mechanics ftw) and told the corp who they were and that if ransomed by them to pay it as they were true to their word. So as it stands every member in the corp, if confronted with these pirates, without enough support to stand a chance of winning, would gladly pay the ransom in order to keep their ship and pod, as we know they are true to their word. - While there seems to be plenty of reasons given not to honor a ransom, I believe this is plenty reason to honor the ransom. Especially if you're active in only specific areas, as most are (territorial nature I guess). When your name/corp name gets around as a pirate/pirate corp that honors ransoms you'll be less likely to run into people that refuse to pay. And after all, loot drops are a crapshoot, could be good could be bad. With a ransom, and a reputation for honoring them, you know exactly what you're going to get most of the time.
Edit: TL:DR version. Honoring ransoms is good for business from a long-term economic standpoint. (that's long-term eve time, not real world.) __________________ Look, a forum alt! |
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