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Researcher Anabiosis
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:46:00 -
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i will get half the dc's for the same RP post-expansion, plus there is a monetary cost? anything else, or does that cover it?
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Annolyn Thoth
Rust Cabal
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:54:00 -
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As I understand it all data cores will be 100 RP plus the monetary cost. Currently some cost 50 (e.g. Mech Engineering) some cost 100 (e.g. Laser Physics) and some cost 150 (e.g. X starship engineering), so per RP some go up some go down.
They're also removing field multipliers though, so yes the crux of it is twice the time to get enough RP for a datacore.
Also FW pilots will potentially get them for LP for much cheaper. |
Researcher Anabiosis
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Posted - 2012.05.21 02:57:00 -
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thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
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Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:05:00 -
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Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
Yes :) |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
675
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:25:00 -
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Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
Nope, better off to cancel your account. No really, since it wasn't even announced that a non-broken system CCP put in that is suddenly borken by their standards all your time spent training for research agents was invalidated because a butthurt individual suddenly didn't like it. Its not like R&D agents were broken a year ago and no one complained about it but for the ghosting of dead accounts creating RP, but suddenly the system needs to be change with no recompensation what so ever because now that some people may not even want the skills anymore.
Don't know about you, but I want the 30 days paid in subscription time back + isk spent on skillbooks so I can correct the issue of the sudden change and reallocate the skill points...I just do not care for R&D agents anymore when I made my choice to train for them over a year ago and the system was working as intended up until that point but for ghost accumulation from dead accounts. |
Degren
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:32:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
Nope, better off to cancel your account. No really, since it wasn't even announced that a non-broken system CCP put in that is suddenly borken by their standards all your time spent training for research agents was invalidated because a butthurt individual suddenly didn't like it. Its not like R&D agents were broken a year ago and no one complained about it but for the ghosting of dead accounts creating RP, but suddenly the system needs to be change with no recompensation what so ever because now that some people may not even want the skills anymore. Don't know about you, but I want the 30 days paid in subscription time back + isk spent on skillbooks so I can correct the issue of the sudden change and reallocate the skill points...I just do not care for R&D agents anymore when I made my choice to train for them over a year ago and the system was working as intended up until that point but for ghost accumulation from dead accounts.
Better pod yourself. :) |
Researcher Anabiosis
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:33:00 -
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last dumb question - when is the expansion due? is it this week? the website was unclear |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:57:00 -
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The 22nd I believe.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1951
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Posted - 2012.05.21 03:59:00 -
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Degren wrote:Aqriue wrote:Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
Nope, better off to cancel your account. No really, since it wasn't even announced that a non-broken system CCP put in that is suddenly borken by their standards all your time spent training for research agents was invalidated because a butthurt individual suddenly didn't like it. Its not like R&D agents were broken a year ago and no one complained about it but for the ghosting of dead accounts creating RP, but suddenly the system needs to be change with no recompensation what so ever because now that some people may not even want the skills anymore. Don't know about you, but I want the 30 days paid in subscription time back + isk spent on skillbooks so I can correct the issue of the sudden change and reallocate the skill points...I just do not care for R&D agents anymore when I made my choice to train for them over a year ago and the system was working as intended up until that point but for ghost accumulation from dead accounts. Better pod yourself.
Or do what I will do and get a character back into FW, which will make Data Core accumulation (when combined with my research agents) far more productive, not to mention fun.
However, since that would involve combat that brings us right back to him being in a pod again.
Edit: It's also pertinent that in the new expansion you'll get a chance to customize your appearance again, which gives you a shot at actually growing a face this time. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2012.05.21 04:15:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
Nope, better off to cancel your account. No really, since it wasn't even announced that a non-broken system CCP put in that is suddenly borken by their standards all your time spent training for research agents was invalidated because a butthurt individual suddenly didn't like it. Its not like R&D agents were broken a year ago and no one complained about it but for the ghosting of dead accounts creating RP, but suddenly the system needs to be change with no recompensation what so ever because now that some people may not even want the skills anymore. Don't know about you, but I want the 30 days paid in subscription time back + isk spent on skillbooks so I can correct the issue of the sudden change and reallocate the skill points...I just do not care for R&D agents anymore when I made my choice to train for them over a year ago and the system was working as intended up until that point but for ghost accumulation from dead accounts.
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Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Alliance 99000802
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Posted - 2012.05.21 09:41:00 -
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Adapt.
Most R&D pilots are just alts for the sole reason of passive datacore farming. So instead of QQing over the changes start training your R&D alts to use stealth bombers and get them into FW and do the missions. Doing this may actually yield you more cores then running mulitple alts. However you will lose the passive ability of farming them, but that is one thing that they are trying to get rid of. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:08:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Adapt.
Most R&D pilots are just alts for the sole reason of passive datacore farming. So instead of QQing over the changes start training your R&D alts to use stealth bombers and get them into FW and do the missions. Doing this may actually yield you more cores then running mulitple alts. However you will lose the passive ability of farming them, but that is one thing that they are trying to get rid of.
No you see I deserve free ISK because spending an hour piloting a hauler twice a year means that it's not passive income Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 10:44:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:No you see I deserve free ISK because spending an hour piloting a hauler twice a year means that it's not passive income
But instead of CCP doing something logical and having research points cease to accummulate once x number of days pass without interacting with the research agent, they decided to "fix" factional warfare by stripping down a side career. Then they can pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how awesome they think outside of the box by changing two issues with one code change.
Perhaps the various blueprint research aspects will be reviewed next. Don't players plug in a print for some action, wait some time, and out spits potential better profits? Seems very similar in design to this combat pilot. |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.05.21 11:35:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Malcanis wrote:No you see I deserve free ISK because spending an hour piloting a hauler twice a year means that it's not passive income But instead of CCP doing something logical and having research points cease to accummulate once x number of days pass without interacting with the research agent, they decided to "fix" factional warfare by stripping down a side career. Then they can pat themselves on the back and tell themselves how awesome they think outside of the box by changing two issues with one code change. Perhaps the various blueprint research aspects will be reviewed next. Don't players plug in a print for some action, wait some time, and out spits potential better profits? Seems very similar in design to this combat pilot.
Difference is it takes some time, effort and cost to establish and maintain a POS (400mil a month to fuel a large POS depending on Ice product prices of course) in order to avoid public research slot delays which can be up to two months. If you've invested a large amount of ISK in a BPO and want it researched that delay is significant as really you want to start to get a return on your investment as soon as possible.
As to RP and datacore acquisition it's never been a massive earner unless you had an entire army of alts doing it and that always seemed like a bit of a waste when they could be more gainfully and profitably employed in a number of other activities. |
Whadafool
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 17:51:00 -
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as soon as the changes were even hinted at (during fan fest i think) i immediately cashed in my datacores id sat on for over a year. I imagine there will be a price crash if there isnt one already. Free EvE wallpapers
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AFK Hauler
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:05:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Adapt.
Most R&D pilots are just alts for the sole reason of passive datacore farming. So instead of QQing over the changes start training your R&D alts to use stealth bombers and get them into FW and do the missions. Doing this may actually yield you more cores then running mulitple alts. However you will lose the passive ability of farming them, but that is one thing that they are trying to get rid of.
CCP is trying to get rid of passive income.
Datacores do not generate ISK into the game (as stated).
Manufacturers need them to build shiny ships that go boom.
Less datacores = less boom of shiny objects (not less boom in total) - OR - the boom costs you more...
I cannot understand why the basic game mechanic is being broken to facilitate a false ideology.
Face it. If less manufacturing is being done by those who spend skill points and time to build materials needed in game, then the cost of these materials will respond proportionately.
It's a WONDERFUL scheme by CCP to inflate the cost of shiny objects resulting in the increased purchase of PLEX by IRL working folks to buy the shiny objects. Almost like a fundamental change in CCPs business model if you think through it.
We shall see. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
979
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:07:00 -
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Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
If you were paying 150 RP/datacore (the starship engineering cores) under the old system, you'll only pay 100 RP/datacore after the 22nd. So no, you should not cash out.
The 100 RP/datacore prices won't be changing.
If you were paying 50 RP/datacore under the old system, you'll be paying 100 RP each after tomorrow, so *yes* you should cash those out.
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Nyrak
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.21 18:45:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Researcher Anabiosis wrote:thank you - so, no brainer, cash out now?
If you were paying 150 RP/datacore (the starship engineering cores) under the old system, you'll only pay 100 RP/datacore after the 22nd. So no, you should not cash out. The 100 RP/datacore prices won't be changing. If you were paying 50 RP/datacore under the old system, you'll be paying 100 RP each after tomorrow, so *yes* you should cash those out. Perhaps I misread earlier information, but I thought there was to be an additional ISK cost to extract datacores from the agents after this change goes into play? The cost I heard was to be 10,000 ISK per datacore. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:17:00 -
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Already cashed out mines and not intending to spend whatever tedious time needed any more to get those unless prices are worthy of the time needed to do it.
However I'm sure this will make happy all of those doing this with their army of alts, nice move CCP. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
823
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Posted - 2012.05.21 19:19:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Already cashed out mines and not intending to spend whatever tedious time needed any more to get those unless prices are worthy of the time needed to do it.
However I'm sure this will make happy all of those doing this with their army of alts, nice move CCP. Nothing like an army of alts all eating passive income. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd |
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